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[stan1ey]

hi

[stan1ey]

I think Joges is town

[stan1ey]

imo meta like the above is a good tool but it's far to early to be able yo use it properly

[stan1ey]

VOTE: Vedith
2nd time Vedith is being opportunistic imo
On sasha: ik from experience he has an awkward style, but that doesnt make him scum. he hasn't done anything scummy yet

[stan1ey]

I think bujaber is town based on 219 and 221 but im not sure about jibril

[stan1ey]

I don't understand this Jbril wagon. But Bujaber, Flippynips, and Creature are town. I'm getting real bad feels from both eyes and Vedith. For eyes, 176 feels wrong to me. 255 from Flippynipps is accuracte I think - that was such a forced interaction. And Vedith has just been trolling, but it's not in a way which actually gets reactions, which I think is what Vedith would be trying to do as town.

VOTE: Vedith

100% agree

[stan1ey]

Eyes and Sasha just got scummier in my book

[stan1ey]

I'm with you on that
VOTE: Eyes

[stan1ey]

The only way that Eyes is ever Scum is only if I am. Otherwise Scum never respond how they did to me.

I mean thats just not true lol

[stan1ey]

Its an easy play for scum to jump in on a town 1v1, why rule it out?

[stan1ey]

Also not true, just because you're town doesn't mean youre right

[stan1ey]

I'd say we'd learn more about Vedith from an Eyes flip than vice versa

[stan1ey]

Like it makes sense for scum Eyes to sheep Vediths vote whatever his alignment so I don't see the logic here

[stan1ey]

Like it makes sense for scum Eyes to sheep Vediths vote whatever his alignment so I don't see the logic here

So whatever he flips it doesn't change your view on me. While my flip changes the possible view on him.
Right?

No, other way around

[stan1ey]

How is it more informative about Vedith to flip me when it makes sense for scum me to sheep Vedith regardless of his alignment? In other words, if I am scum you still have no clue what Vedith's alignment is.

?????

[stan1ey]

you just proved my point, if whatever vedith flips it makes sense you being scum we havent learnt anything from a vedith flip have we

[stan1ey]

Bujaber is town, joges is town

[stan1ey]

Jibril could be mafia

[stan1ey]

Also i thought it was pretty clear jibril was an alt idk why thats become a thing

[stan1ey]

My only problem now (with stanly's stamce) is he hined he will be town reading Vedith upon my green flip, yet has already stated that he won't follow Vedith's reads if he is town. Makes me think he's already setting himself an out to keep on generating bad reads and making bad pushes

This is not what i said. If you flip town the chance of Vedith flipping scum goes up because he told us to lynch you if he flipped mafia

[stan1ey]

Sorry im simultaneously trying to catch up and answer you

[stan1ey]

@Lycanfire #420 yeah pretty much. There's a difference between trolling and being unhelpful to town. Vedith has changed the way hes played noticeably since rooster made that post too

[stan1ey]

On Bujaber I agree with 386 and although i think its a lil too early to claim i understand what he is saying. I played a game where scum was on L1 for ages and kicked the can down refusing to claim until there was intent and eventually aoff claimed and nobody lynched him. But yeah this is probably too early. Also i thought his posts about jibril earlier were towny

[stan1ey]

So you're saying that when I flip town you'll be town reading Vedith? I am ok getting lynched if that is your view.

Can't see town making this post i think this is mafia panicking a lil

[stan1ey]

Do you actually scum read me or do you just think im not scum with eyes, if youre considering lynching me just because of that then you ahould lynch eyes first

[stan1ey]

I'm torn on jibril. On one hand she is playing a lot like how she played in this game: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78330 where she was scum. However at the same time its pretty clear this is a gimmicky alt and that just might be the style for this account regardless of alignment

[stan1ey]

@lycan ill put some detail into my vedith and eyes reads when i finish work and have time to go through the thread again

[stan1ey]

@Lycan
I started thinking Vedith could be scum when he said

I quite like Eyes entrance

was a small thing at the time but made me think he was being opportunistic and saying things to appear towny when actually he's doing very little, again a small thing at the time but now it seems more but We'll get to that.. then was the vote on sasha which I didn't like. Sheeped for no reason, no reason given and it's sasha. He didn't do anything scummy and people were voting him because of his unorthodox style imo and it was an easy place for vedith to try and push because other people might wrongfully scum read him. Then with eyes we have post 240 to 254 which like someone else said comes across as the most forced interaction ive ever seen in any game on this site. It made me think one od these two is scum maybe both.

I'm speechless.

@Everyone: Is this normal? Do scum give up so easily on this site or am I being pranked?

OK..

VOTE: Lycanfire

Any specific reasons? Or do I just need to take it on faith?

These ones in particular is so forced imo, but the rest are too. And like i said before, the post that vedith made that i struck me was scummy early on was coincidentally about Eyes.

I'm fully aware that maybe im paranoid because of this "coincidence" BUT imo rooster did nothing wrong either, and i really didnt like Vedith trying ti say that the only potential lynched for todat were himself and Rooster and if he flipped scum then we should lynch eyes. Like if eyes is scum that could be a gambit where he thinks we'll assume he was getting us to lynch a town with him if he gets lynched but also that genuinely could be what he was doing. Also one of the two (not sure which one pretty sure it was vedith) said it makes no sense for Eyes to get involved and vote rooster if he was scum which is just not true. It makes perfect sense. So I still think Eyes is the best lynch becuase 1) he is more likely to be scum than vedith based on the above and 2) like ive already said we learn more about vedith from a eyes lynch than the otherway around, but I'll settle on lynching Vedith instead both have good chances of being scum imo

[stan1ey]

Stan1ey looks like a prospective partner here because he doesn't seem to have a good reason for wanting Eyes over Vedith

Ive given my reasons many times read my iso idk why i keep getting questioned on this

[stan1ey]

Profli i like that case but think i disagree about the first point, that one seems valid to me tbh. Amor is a potential for me to vote but ill stick on Eyes for now

[stan1ey]

I guess but that makes sense, but since i scum read vedith im still willing to give it a free pass

[stan1ey]

Fuck this.

VOTE: Creature

I can't find anything game related in their posts

At the very least we won't be getting rid of someone pro-town.

Thoughts profli? Roster

[stan1ey]

"at least i'll have a good reason for being on a mislynch when everyone sees the flip"
Is what i meant to quote.. phone posting

[stan1ey]

hi

[stan1ey]

Tbh the Stanley stuff probably means that Vedith is more likely scum, partners with Stanley

explain this one please

[stan1ey]

He was talking about me and it kinda makes sense but still doesn't because i said if eyea is town then vedith is even more likely to be mafia

[stan1ey]

So you think eyes is town?

[stan1ey]

Alright ill hammer, jibril claim please

[stan1ey]

Think we have 10 hours left? not sure

[stan1ey]

both
Eyes only
Vedith only

But i dont really like to go on associations pre flip theyre not accurate imo

[stan1ey]

creature is pretty towny - basing this of 1 previous town game i saw of his

[stan1ey]

@lycan like i said, i dont like looking at associations much before a lynch as ive been really wrong with them before and its kinda inaccurate, but you told me to rank them so i did. We shouldve lynched eyes today and had this conversation tomorrow

[stan1ey]

@jibril we have like 4/5 hours left you should full claim

[stan1ey]

@lycan like i said, i dont like looking at associations much before a lynch

Before someone misinterepets me, i mean saying 2 people are partners

[stan1ey]

I'll hammer pretty soon

[stan1ey]

We really should have lynched eyes man, like its so easy for scum to bus jibril guilt free

[stan1ey]

Oh well VOTE: jibril

[stan1ey]

ill reconsider and lay off of eyes, for now anyway - vedith flipping town doesnt clear him but i want to think about it more

[stan1ey]

Jibril (9): Emperor flippyNips, RCEnigma, Sashaddin, Creature, profii, BuJaber, rosterfoster, 0verki11, stan1ey

i think i was wrong, this might actually be a pretty good lynch. very easy to mislynch, so mafia probably piled onto this wagon

i town read creature, buj, overkill, roster although my town lean on his is falling.

that leaves me with these: Emperor flippyNips, RCEnigma, Sashaddin, profii

I heard through the grapevine that flippy has a very lurky scum meta so i'll start with my vote there VOTE: Emperor flippyNips i am also suspicious of RCE

[stan1ey]

theres 4 mafia, pretty sure 2 would be on that wagon, possibly 3 if they are bold. could be wrong, it did look like there was a potential for no lynch at one point mafia could have been trying to manipulate us into that and in that case there might not be as many on the wagon but still

[stan1ey]

Well im not gonna scum read myself am i hahah, dont think its weird when you think of jibril who was pretty scummy and very lurky. Scum could easily throw down their votes on there early on quite safely

[stan1ey]

Why would i include myself? I know what my role is

[stan1ey]

Me town reading the late voters isnt why i didnt include myself lmao

[stan1ey]

I didnt say scum predicted jibril was going to be lynched (although they easily could have now that i think about it, anyone could predict that based on how she was playing) i said it was a safe person to throw a vote on early on and not be questioned about it, which is what i think happened and then the wagon took off based on that plus how scummy jibril was

[stan1ey]

I still think buj is town but #960 is scummy asf, i was pretty clear and thats now what i said

[stan1ey]

I'm tired of you interpretting everything I say as a shade.

What are you talking about man this is the first time ive done this, look through my iso, ive consistently said i think you are town. You can't blame me when you said this:

He conveniently left himself out of the wagon analysis by townreading all late voters.

That is objectively a very scummy thing to post

[stan1ey]

Oh wait that wasnt directed to me, my bad lmao

[stan1ey]

Buj, why on earth would someone EVER include themself in their scum pool??!?!

[stan1ey]

Correct, it wasn't directed at you.

Could you explain how it's objectively scummy?
I understand you think it was a safe wagon to sit on, what is not clear is why you've decided that scum would not join the wagon later. There is an obvious motivation for you to do that as scum because then you wouldn't be included in your scum pool.

Basically this. What you presented was like saying, I'm town. I'm on the end of the wagon therefore the end of the wagon is town. Which doesn't compute with me and Bujaber as well it seems.

I did no such thing, this is a total misrepresentation
VOTE: RCEnigma

[stan1ey]

Not true. I listed who I town read before I did the VCA. I never said I'm town reading those in the same category as me - Profli came after creature, and I even said I was starting to reconsider roster.. I never said there is no reason for scum to join later either, nor did I insinuate it.

[stan1ey]

All I said was there is scum on this wagon, i townread X therefore I think Y probably includes scum - theres nothing wrong with that

[stan1ey]

I said because of the nature of jibril's play it was a SAFE person for Flippy to vote early

[stan1ey]

And I'm right about that - he lurked pretty much all throughout day 1, giving little reasoning on the vote and nobody questioned it

[stan1ey]

Ok maybe someone did, i didnt check and i dont remember it ever being a big part of the conversation so my point still stands

[stan1ey]

What's your point

[stan1ey]

You're basically caught scum rn lmao, you latched onto what Bujaber was saying now he's admitted he made a mistake you're forced to double down since it's too improbable that you both made the same mistake

[stan1ey]

Lmao RCE is caught scum

[stan1ey]

I'll get around to isoing and reading up after my shift. Initial thoughts are that Stanley is the most suspicious. Immediately points to the early voters without much to base it on. Calling out the number of scum on the wagon pings as weird too, possibly tmi. If Stanley is scum here I think it's probable there's a partner on the back end of the wagon.

This was well before Bujaber prodded further

Alright fair enough
VOTE: flippy
I still think youre mafia

[stan1ey]

I havent forgot about flippy lol he is still scum

[stan1ey]

VOTE: RCE

[stan1ey]

Cos I he is mafia?

[stan1ey]

Not interested in lynching joges, RCE or Flippy

[stan1ey]

^ that ahould be only RCE or flippy

[stan1ey]

I already corrected it cmon

[stan1ey]

Not interested in lynching joges. Only intested in lynching RCE or Flippy

There

[stan1ey]

@stanL my question was why NOW? Why did you vote RCE soon after BuJaber did? Why didn't you vote him before?

You can consider my vote on both if u want buddy, I'm not fussed which one gets lynched

[stan1ey]

Thats a bad vote sasha, creature is town. Whats your thoughts on RCE and Flippy?? What would make you vote one of them?

[stan1ey]

@enigma i originally thought he was town but his progression in this game is confusing and my town read on him has been tanking

[stan1ey]

Creature is the biggest wagon wtf he is town what are you guys doing

[stan1ey]

Sasha there is like 500 posts inbetween each of those - someone can change a read as time goes by

[stan1ey]

Free town cred for anyone leaving the creature wagon and voting flippy/RCE instead - going fast

[stan1ey]

VOTE: Rce not to hold the game hostage or anything but, pretty please?

Please can we lynch RCE

[stan1ey]

Also the fact that creature has the (joint) biggest wagon whilst flippy has 0 votes is worrying

[stan1ey]

VOTE: Rce not to hold the game hostage or anything but, pretty please?

Do you have a game where you've done this as town before?

Whats the purpose of this post?

[stan1ey]

VOTE: Flippy

[stan1ey]

Nah creature is town

[stan1ey]

that was a serious question btw i would like an answer please

[stan1ey]

Unvote yourself and vote flippy then

[stan1ey]

Alright fair enough
VOTE: flippy
I still think youre mafia

You still think RCE is mafia? Then why change your vote?

I can think 2 people are mafia at the same time

[stan1ey]

Alright fair enough
VOTE: flippy
I still think youre mafia

You still think RCE is mafia? Then why change your vote?

VOTE: RCE

This is still scum.

Why arent you voting me then

[stan1ey]

That wasnt rage, more confusion

[stan1ey]

Stan1ey and RCE are buddies.

?

[stan1ey]

Nope I'll help lynch either

[stan1ey]

^^
ayone still on creature is highly suspect and since lycan is now potentially ignoring my questions (ill give benefit of the doubt if he answers soon) my town read on him is tanking hard