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Well I really want to hear or's take, he's been the strongest advocate of Stan as scum

Right now we have:
Kyouko :
Mumble did some distancing n1, but also tended to avoid the wagons of the other scum, which is a pattern some scum teams fall into (but not always)
Mumble kind of vanished d1, which is NAI for him afaik, but Kyouko basically lurked out of claiming to joges and now has basically checked out of this game but is posting elsewhere. The ellitell is often quite bad, but if she has just already written this game off as a loss that would explain the sudden drop in activity after the push for jibril being the vig target began
Not really a ton of solving outside of that from either player in this slot

Creature:
Setup spec suggests that masons + rolecop + 2-shot jailor + vig is a pretty heavy power structure for town, but without knowing if scum have a second tpr in addition to watcher I don't know for sure it is too much
I'm still struggling to understand why Alonzo claimed roleblocker vs me and Creature, and one theory is that he wanted to pretend to have a mechanical cross-claim with Creature so that whoever won got towncred (and I'd like or to say whether he thinks this is all just tinfoil or not)

stan:
If stan is scum then there was a pretty savvy cross-bus between jibril and stan; stan suggesting jibril for the vig shot and jibril suggesting stan as Flavor Leaf's "if I'm not here" lynch would make this one of the more impressive cross-busses I have seen recently if it is the case.
Early game iso is pretty bad, but the voting patterns for me very slightly point away from scum

I really wish I was at a point of "This one player out of the three never, ever flips scum" but I'm not at that point right now. I'm at various levels of surprise. I can see kyouko flipping scum very easily. I can see Creature flipping scum if he decided to channel his inner MariaR this game. I would be a bit surprised if stan flipped scum, because that's a pretty savvy cross-bus for like his... second? scum game on site. (or was it third idr)

Kinda hoping or comes in and says "nah Creature just never flips scum here" and then we can lynch kyoko and hopefully this game is just won at that point.

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It's mostly the masons that make me nervous. Rolecop here can identify mechanical townclears (vig, mason) which allows for there to be a mechanical townblock with 0% doubt. It's a lot of power even if the rolecop can't catch scum

But no, I have no idea how a 2-shot scum jailkeeper would at all make this scenario make more sense or more balanced. I'm kinda thinking kyouko flips like.... scum hider? Something to fuck with the vig more directly?

idk tho

I'm pretty okay with just flipping kyouko. I just want to know, if we're somehow wrong about kyouko, what town should do in 3-way, since it is likely or will be dead if we are wrong here (unless stan lied about being vanilla -- in which case, ballsy)

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But would you go kyoko-->creature or kyouko-->stan at this point?

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True.

idk rolecop just sounds strong to me because it has the word "cop" and I get a straight answer from the mod about some part of someone's role

but it's possible I really am just overvaluing it in terms of balance, given goons act like quasi-godfathers

Watcher+Goon+2-shot JK vs. Mason-Mason-Vig-Rolecop

Actually I have a hard time seeing that, I'd be worried people would say it was scumsided

I guess... idk I'm starting to think we just do kyouko because it's just the right answer

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Don't rush or

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Right now after going through iso a couple minutes ago I'd go with stan

Maybe I didn't read this sentence correctly

If he's saying he wants kyouko-->stan is that just it?

I kinda thought he was gonna say more

or?

'was or going to say more on the floor at the store, or was he going to snore like four boars?'

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okay cool

1 -- what do you think of stan's eagerness for the kyouko lynch?
2 -- what do you think of jibril suggesting stan as Flavor Leaf's "if I'm not here" lynch and stan suggesting jibril as the vig target?

basically just want to know why you'd take the setup wifom over the crossbus wifom that's all

after that, any reason I shouldn't hammer? I'm bored of waiting for kyouko at this point

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Wasn't sure if or why a claim would change your sense of the slot or the case against it but I'm fine waiting

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Activated Innocent Child would be quite the twist

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Claim?

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Ok so

Rolecop-Mason-Mason-Vig
vs.
Watcher-Goon-2-shot JK

vs.

Rolecop-Mason-Mason-Vig-2 Shot JK
vs.
Watcher-Goon-?

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I didn't want to claim yesterday because I wasn't sure if there was a protective of some kind and didn't want to give away who might be the doctor

everyone had claimed? you were the last claim so I don't get this

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2 scum pr vs. 5 tprs: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=77375

1 scum pr vs. 3 masons, jk, fruit vendor: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=77101

****

1 scum PR vs 4 tprs: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78039

2 scum PRs vs 4 tprs: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78012

2 scum PR vs 4 tprs: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78410

0 scum PR vs 3 tprs: viewtopic.php?p=10592253#p10592253

2 scum PR vs 2 tprs: viewtopic.php?p=10553581#p10553581

1 scum PR vs 2 tprs: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=77661

1 scum PR vs 4 tprs: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=77657

2 scum prs vs 3 tprs: viewtopic.php?p=10544050#p10544050

1 scum pr vs 4 tprs: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=77461

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Ducks mafia is closest and that points slightly toward using a gated scum role to balance numbers

like maybe NRG was like, "normal JK would be too strong for scum on top of watcher, but scum team needs something for vig"

considering 3.5 tprs is basically the average 5 seems like a lot

the 3-mason game had no investigative

there's so few games that have 5 tprs vs. 2 scum prs

half those numbers are approximations anyway

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kinda tired right now

feel like setup spec tends to lead to faulty reasoning

it is hard to find a game where creature is town that looks like this

I hate using setup spec for the basis of an argument although I still don't get why Alonzo would cross bus Creature over jibril

like if you're scum watcher, don't you claim a roleblock on the goon, if you're going for a crossbus?

I still just don't get Alonzo claiming the roleblock on Creature as S/S if Creature is also scum PR, although I suppose he would know Creature was out of shots

weird game

based on play we still lynch Kyouko

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Guess I should like, meta persivul or something idk, not doing that tonight tho

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so are you just done with this game then?

You can self hammer if you're scum here it won't be considered a throw

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Anyone have a reason to think she isn't just baiting me and Creature into hammering her so that she doesn't have to deal with her team accusing her of a throw with a self-vote?

Like I thought we were going to talk about setup spec and Persivul but this is like not even slightly town at this point

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ITH (expired on 2019-02-11 17:00:45)

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Guys I have a theory about who or is an alt of

p.s. nice alting with you DrD! Think this might be the first time we've ever been same alignment LOL

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ITH (expired on 2019-02-11 17:00:45)

Still 40 minutes on my clock here, I don't want to nuke kyouko while she's in the middle of some sort of obvtowning wallpost, but I kinda don't think that's what is going on right now

Mostly wanted a consensus on whether it is kyouko-->creature or kyouko-->stan but at this point I probably don't meta persivul unless the game actually is not over

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Gonna be lowkey tilted if this isn't game over

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she might dab on you

Alonzo, I'm not Purrcocet.

*Dab*

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

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what was the second scum pr?

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Wait what

2 masons vig jk and rolecop vs watcher and 2 goons

Damn nrg what you trying to do to me

Should I feel good about not giving in to setup wifom or bad that this setup tastes stacked for town

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That was an interesting game

Yeah, even though the players I most like playing with replaced out pretty early.

Well I always enjoy playing with you creature

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You hit 0% TPRs and gave town a mislynch for final scum with the jibril shot. That's pretty solid vig work tbh. <3