Anime U-Pick: King Size [SEASON FINALE...?]

[Almost50]

Hi I'm a mason with Clemency.
VOTE: Joan of Arc.
Scum!

For a second I was like "What is the

MOD

doing?"

VOTE: Almost50

You know why, monkey. No one's gonna leave you alone, so you had better start playing already.

[Almost50]

2 Millers is interesting. Looks like this game has nothing to do with the usual way I approach games, so I'm gonna wait for someone more capable of digesting all the twists here to make the game remotely playable for me. (That means you, Cerb).

[Almost50]

No.. not unless (a) I voted you, and (b) you have a monkey avatar

[Almost50]

Why are you voting yourself, then?

because I'm going bananas. Just don't monkey with my business if you please.

[Almost50]

OK, so here's a declaration: I won't claim which channel(s) I'm in and won't be posting in them either for the time being. You should all be concerned I could read what you say in your channel(s) without you realizing I'm in it.

Spoiler:

Damn, I couldn't have come up with a scummier declaration. Couple that with my RVS vote on myself, and I should be considered the antichrist of the game by all other players already.

[Almost50]

I like the fact A50 claiming he's not speaking in channels actually I think scum will just lurk and not claim so

Now wait a minute

Somebody said something about claiming channels to weed out scum who weren't posting anything in their channels

What's stopping a50 from being scum who, seeing that, came up with something so that he doesn't look bad for initially hiding?

There goes the town points I gave you for the reasoning behind your vote on JoA

[Almost50]

A50 is town or he/his partners are much better than me.

Mind signing your posts, please? I am assuming this was Amz??

[Almost50]

Colour me both utterly glad and genuinely shocked then. "A50 is Town" I thought may or may not come from Cerb this early, but "better than me" totally threw me off. Cerb knows I don't see myself worthy of a comparison with him, let alone being called "better" than him.

OK, so first impression is your slot is Town (Cerb wouldn't be trying to "pocket" me, would he?). I also havge some Town vibes from Dunn, BNL, C&Y, FL (though I'll never trust my read in him this early, and off one post), Torque & AfaF (with the reservation that I don't like tw taking the backseat so early). I dunno what to do with Clem's Miller claim, but I'll give him a pass (he's -at least- honest about not having played the role before).

This leaves me with S&J, SSB, Gamma, Joan, Toog (I suspect he may have a 1-shot global protective ability?? ), Drixx, Maria (my nemesis), mastina, Robert & NxM to sort

preliminarily

.

[Almost50]

Why? Am I wrong?

Yes. On both your logic and conclusion. However, the conclusion is anyone's guess still (no one can tell for sure what my alignment is until I flip .. or get checked by an investigative). The logic though is faulty because it would have been much much easier for scum me to just start posting in the channels I'm in and claim I didn't want to do so before the game officially started, or that I wanted to to see who was in the channel(s) first.

What does scum!me benefit from not revealing what channel(s) I'm in? Now what does Town!me benefit from spreading fear in the scum ranks that I might be reading what they try to say in private to a smaller group on an attempt to direct their actions/votes in the main game? Do the math and you'll see it doesn't make much sense to insinuate I might be scum still for that.

Then again, you saying it out loud and making me respond in this manner turns it into WIFOM, and someone impartial may now say "but you may have done it precisely to get this argument working in your favour", so all you really did is just

unnecessarily

cast doubt on me/my motive for no real benefit.

To reiterate: You are free to suspect me, but you could have sat on it for now. Instead you jumped the wagon (as always) for no real benefit. Did you solve the game? Did you gain more info? Did you help someone get a read on you? What exactly did you or anyone else benefit from you voicing out your skepticism about one TR someone decided to throw out on me at the start of the day?

[Almost50]

In addition, I was pretty talkative in a channel, and I made a comment questioning the channel’s thoughts if I told them I was unable to speak in the main thread.

Almost50 bringing up the subject of being in channels and not outing themselves stood out to me simply because I had also thought about doing that, so it was a mind melt of sorts. I’m about 85% sure that A50 is town because of it, as opposed to the 72% I feel about the majority of everyone else. BNL’s comment brings him down to about a 60%, which at the moment, is most likely from what I have perceived. Yes, I made all those percentages up, but consider me an artist who is painting a mental picture for you to see where I’m coming from.

Did you know that 97% of percentages scummers use in their debates are actually made up?

[Almost50]

wdym "what was the mod doing"?

I .. thought .. this was the game .. modded by mastina. What was so hard to understand here?

[Almost50]

Well, there goes my attempt to become a better player.

Just ignore their claims to have identified you and keep on playing the way you do right now.

[Almost50]

Meanwhile:
VOTE: Reasonably Psychotic
Don't think there's much point in me hiding that scumread anymore.

Why am I not surprised? It's that ole devil called

love

tunneling again.

[Almost50]

knowing you, you might not be in any channels and are just making us paranoid

[Almost50]

robert is the towniest person in this game so far

what

~Near

I'm even nearer (i.e. I second that notion. How is Robert the towniest, or even townie at all?)

[Almost50]

Looking at the players list I don't seem to recall anything Super Smash Bros. Fan or Maria have posted. Checking the activity it's no wonder as each has only posted once (and Maria even did it under an alt).

Could the two of you please step into the center of the stage and perform a first dance?

Spoiler: Here's a tune that should fit :P

[Almost50]

@toog
check with the mod that you wont get modkilled for 'testing' it

Good idea, although "standard" Priests do not get modkilled for attempting to hammer. But yeah, better safe than sorry.

And, my Gosh! How do you manage to look this townie so early, Toog?

[Almost50]

@Gamma: How am I supposed to answer this now? You know my alts, right? Would you be kind enough to figure out the rest?

[Almost50]

What type of dance would you like me to perform~

Hmmm.. I dunno, but -since this is an Anime flavored game- maybe a good start would be to..

[Almost50]

OK.. please nobody lecture me about the difference between Anime and Cartoon. Thank you.

[Almost50]

I feel

left

out.

Actually, you can't be more

right

.

[Almost50]

That was Yuno

Actually, I don't (know). Please explain.

[Almost50]

@Gamma: How am I supposed to answer this now? You know my alts, right? Would you be kind enough to figure out the rest?

Nothing to do with alts, everything to do with you hemorrhaging scum-exclusive info previously.

Spoiler:

I understand your paranoia, but it's overly naive of you to do so here for several reasons:

1- That was a slip about an in-game mechanic there. Here it was confusion about what game it is and who the mod is.

2- Do you really think I would be so careless as to slip AGAIN here? Like, there it was bc I was a replacement and I jumped the gun. Here I am a starter and have had plenty of time to read, reread and prepare well if I wanted to have anything "planned".

3- When that happened I tried my best to get out of the hole I had dug myself into without explaining much. Here I gave you as much info as I could. Try AP. Period.

Happy?

[Almost50]

heh you reminded me of death note mafia where you kept posting in wrong threads and wrong accounts

~Near

[Almost50]

My inactivity in this thread until now was due to life being busy, not deliberately avoiding the thread.

(Vote: this dude)

This phrasing is most irritating to me. "my inactivity

in this thread

" hints he has been posting "elsewhere", and if that's the case then "busy life" certainly is not the reason.

Please reread his phrasing and compare it to "My inactivity

in this thread

until now" which probably wouldn't have rubbed me the wrong way.

@Super Smash: Please tell us how many posts you has on any channels you're in, and that's for starters.

Oh, and for the VC tool to recognize the vote:

VOTE: Super Smash Bros. Fan

Please, even if I don't use vote counter, I won't take "this dude" as a vote. I mean I'm afraid of misinterpretation.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Super Smash

[Almost50]

hes been equally inactive in channel 5 if it helps you

dont really agree with you there, its just wording

~Near

Why did he have to include the phrase "in this thread"? I take it that it was "subconsciously inserted" there. He could very well have been active in the scum PT.

Like, he has been equally inactive in ALL his channels doesn't explain that bit of his statement still. It would have sufficed to say "I have been inactive" or even "I have been inactive everywhere", so I -at least- want him to explain why he felt the need to insert the "in this thread" bit.

[Almost50]

everyone needs a snazzy pair of sunglasses

If you've rolled Jester; this isn't the way to play it. If you have a post restriction; you should claim it. If you're trying to mimic someone else's play style; it ain't working. I am currently struggling to come up with a scum pair that don't make sense for you to be their 3rd.

P-edit: Good vote

[Almost50]

I cannot be confident in a scum read on Creature at this point, for reasons that may or may not be explained later on this day phase. Suffice it to say Creature can play this way as town.. and as a separate slot too, so being in a hydra could help further his disengagement.

@Ali: I know what you think and I am fully aware of his meta, plus that recent game on the other site, so I am not exactly opposing your read. I am just saying that I have seen him play this way most recently as town, and I suspect he's trying to close the gap between his town and scum play by being less engaged as town after having failed to become more active/engaged as scum.

[Almost50]

Note: Searching "my" topics yields nothing there.

[Almost50]

I just anted to know if time had any effect on my feelings towards being prodded. No. It still sucks.

@Vedith: Why PB?

[Almost50]

@Vedith: Why PB?

Because I'm top voted and I got worried and panicked.
You should vote with me.

I love your honesty. here's a reward:

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

I love your honesty. here's a reward:

UNVOTE:

That was a little easy. What if I was lying?

If you had said anything else I would have suspected you were lying. This is the one and only reason I thought might make sense for that vote.

[Almost50]

The game is a bit slow albeit having some new posts (that have not much content, mind you). I feel like doing something stupid to change the game status, but I don't want to severely mess it all up for everyone. Consider this your last warning. POST SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES.

P-edit: Now THAT's a good attempt at moving the game froward. I look forward to seeing this dialogue.

[Almost50]

P-edit: Now THAT's a good attempt at moving the game froward. I look forward to seeing this dialogue.

It really isn't? It's something by FAR more likely to come from a scum-Cerb than a town-Cerb.

Admittedly the intended goal is admirable enough, but no amount of nobility changes the alignment behind the action; it's still scum even if it's something which is pro-fun. (Cerb isn't the type of player to be happy with a victory through apathy as scum--he'll TAKE a victory through apathy, but he won't be HAPPY about a victory through apathy. I'm not entirely sure whether if given the choice between victory through apathy or loss through lack thereof which he takes, probably did at some point but have since forgotten, but I know that if given a choice between assured victory through apathy or less-assured-but-still-plausible victory through lack thereof, he'll pick the latter.)

What are you on about? Who said anything about the

motive

behind the move?
>I< Welcome the gesture, as >I< enjoy watching the two trying to figure out stuff in their hydra PT.
Also it does move the game forwards regardless of what precise conclusions they reach and whether those conclusions will be spot on or far off base.

But since you brought up motive, I can't see this coming from scum!cerb unless he is scum

with

Drixx. They both know eachother well enough that it doesn't make sense for either to try and engage the other as scum. Cerb is

good

, I know that well enough myself, but so is Drixx, and they're both good as either

alignment

, so you can't tell me scum!Cerb is comfortable/confident engaging Town!Drixx or vice versa. Neither can guarantee having an edge on the other.

But that aside, I will pretend the request itself to be NAI, and I'm happy seeing where it leads to get a better read on both slots. Now where was the problem again?

[Almost50]

I am intimately familiar with Toogeloo's playstyle having many games' experience with him so I know what type of player he is, and he's one of my strongest scumreads.

Please enlighten us all, because -if for nothing else- I have modded him on both Overkill episodes and this is exactly his TOWN play that I saw from above.

[Almost50]

OK.. let me try to get myself NK'd here:

Vedith(5) ~ Near x Mello, Chito and Yuuri, Torque, Clemency, Spike and Jet, <<< all town wagon.. on a townie
Pink Ball(3) ~ Gamma Emerald, Joan of Arc, Robert2424, <<< 2v1 in town
Gamma Emerald(3) ~ Elena Fisher, Pink Ball, Dunnstral, <<< 2v1 in town
Spike and Jet(1) ~ Toogeloo, <<< town on town
singletonking(1) ~ Morality, <<< town on town
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina, <<< scum on town
Clemency(1) ~ Drixx, <<< town on town
Almost50(1) ~ Vedith, <<< town on town

Not Voting (3): Reasonably Psychotic, Almost50, singletonking, <<< 3 lazy townies (yes, I know I'm one of the 3)

[Almost50]

not seeing why vedith is town, enlighten me

~Near

For now, it's a gut feeling (and certainly not the strongest of my reads). Gamma & Pink Ball though are strong TRs and I'm confident they're both Town.

My theory is Vedith is an easy push, so scum are counting on town to do the job for them.

[Almost50]

cmon, thats weak. "easy" wagons happen on scum all the time.

I agree with your gamma and pink reads.

~Near

Separately, it does seem to be weak indeed. However, there are some other (even weaker) indications that -collectively- add up to a "not-so-strong yet not-too-weak" reasoning.

For example, my PoE and my SRs support that conclusion. Of course I cannot be confident without having any flips at all, but IF I am correct about X, Y & Z being the scum team then that's that.

As for Vedith himself, I don't think Scum!him (who had just voted someone and declared it was a survivalistic vote on his counter wagon), would respond to me unvoting him by FoS'ing me. (After all, he knows I'm bad.. I'm bad, he knows it.. ) and he thus was risking me not only revoting him but actually pushing him for real.

[Almost50]

@A50: If Vedith is a villager and is an easy push as you say, scum has all the incentive to hop on his wagon yet the wagon came to a halt

Either there is scum already voting there or Vedith is a wolf

No. If they thought town would do the job for them they would stay clear off the wagon and play for time. Maybe they thought it "could" go through without them and now are considering throwing their weight behind it towards the end of the day, but for now are hoping that the town still does the job for them.

Also let's not forget the other 2 wagons are on stronger TRs, and scum wouldn't e stupid enough to try and save one of them by pushing someone unlikely to get lynched on D1. The wagons are thus composed so that any townie looking to consolidate at crunch time would look at the 3 and think Vedith is the right way to go given there are no other options by then.

[Almost50]

uh we cant only have 3 wolves in this game, right

Not positive, but I think this implies we have 3-4 + 1 3P

TODAY'S SETUP

1

.

At least 3

of you are confirmed

YouTube CopyStrikers (Scums)

. (We all hate it when your favorite anime content (and NOT PIRATED), gets a stupid copystrike)

2

. Almost everyone else are confirmed

Anime Content Makers (Towns)

.

There might, or might not, be third party member(s).

Of course I could be wrong as it could also apply to 4-5 scum and no 3 P (and tbf I misread it as "there are 3 scums" and overlooked the "at least" part). So, maybe I am wrong about someone who is currently on my weak trs pool, but that doesn't negate my argument (nor does it support it either)

[Almost50]

wisdom get off of your fence and scumread me if thats even a real read lmao

when did you even tunnel me btw

This may sound straneg (me answering for Wisdom, that is) but I think we're mind melding. I too was tempted to SR you some. I mean, if I was told (by the mod) there's one (and only one) scum on the Vedith wagon I'd say that'd be you or Clem.

That said, "getting the urge to" or "tempted to" =/= actually SRing you. I still have a reason to TR you (and please don't ask what it is, I'd rather do my own thing for now), so I tried to fir the jigsaw puzzle and came to the conclusion you are more likely town than scum.

[Almost50]

Can people please utilize the channels more efficiently? Many/most of you aren't posting in their respective channels at all.

[Almost50]

I support Toog's notion. Let's force scum to hop on counter wagons sooner than later so it will become apparent who's aligned with whom (even if I die you will have the VCA at your disposal, though -tbh- I'm not sure I get shot over half of this players list.)

VOTE: mastina

[Almost50]

Hi

[Almost50]

Mod: I only posted ONCE after having voted mastina, and I don't get how that particular post places my vote on PB

here it is:

Hi

My mistake. Fixed!

[Almost50]

Getting mixed up on setup or roles etc when in multiple games is not strange.

This is why I can't answer your question, Gamma. Thought you would understand

Is that really that "normal"? I've seen it mentioned *twice* in this game, but have NEVER before seen this phenomenon.

Someone? Anyone? Is this as weak as it feels to me, or have I just been lucky in all my previous games?

-Yukiteru

You certainly have been lucky, because it happens to me all the time (even when I choose to play on different accounts) that I now keep checking my role PMs before I post in most threads (and I sometimes still get mixed up)

[Almost50]

@Drixx: I know why you may not think I'm playing to my town meta, but I can't explain it right now. Maybe on D3 or D4 if we're both still alive.

[Almost50]

@Chito: *Thumbs Up*

[Almost50]

For example, on Night 2 for me, if anyone targets me for any reason, I die. But only on Night 2.

ANOTHER strange role for Toog?!!
I SWEAR I had NOTHING with the creation of this setup!

[Almost50]

Seriously, mastina needs much more votes than she has on her right now. She's "open wolfing" as it gets for her.

[Almost50]

And I don't even care what she claimed in the channel.

[Almost50]

@Gamma & @Pink Ball: Your recent votes suck big time. VOTE: mastina needs more votes on her

[Almost50]

I would prefer Martina but that’s not gonna till I don’t think so...

At the time you placed this vote mastina

was

the leading wagon. You just put Vedith back at evens with her.

[Almost50]

ALSO STOP CLAIMING AND/OR CRUMBING, WHETHER IT BE HERE OR IN CHANNELS!

[Almost50]

@Gamma & @Pink Ball: Your recent votes suck big time. VOTE: mastina needs more votes on her

Says the guy who makes a recent vote that sucks big time.

My vote was already on you from before. I meant to

bold

"mastina needs more votes on her" but I used v instead of b by mistake

[Almost50]

VOTE: Vedith

All caught up. Not even sure how I feel about this, but letting him off the hook will always come back to haunt us later on regardless of his true alignment.

L-1

[Almost50]

@Dunn: I'm not saying he flips red. In fact I still lean towards a green flip. HOWEVER, this will never go away. It's better to deal with it NOW than to let scum use it as a smoke screen to keep us chasing our tails all game.

IMHO, I don't even know why he decided to full claim at that point. Yet again, I dunno why people are claiming their roles in hoods either. *Shrug*

[Almost50]

3 of those 4 were ended up on Vedith. Only singleton stayed on Drixx. I can vote the "claimed" Miller (as it obviously could be a scum faking to nullify the Cop on them)

Q: What channel(s) was Drixx in and what did he say in them? I prefer the answer to come from someone who had already declared being a member to certain channels so you don't need to out the whole list of channel members.

[Almost50]

@Yukiteru: I have no idea why the bolded makes me town, but I'll take it all the same.

[Almost50]

My reads are better than mastina's and I can prove it right now:

1- Vedith is scum
2- Drixx is Town
3- There are at least 2 more scums
4- Almost everyone else is confirmed Towns
5- There may or may not be some 3rd party

And to be more precise: from the current 17 slots alive in this game each has a greater chance of flipping town than scum, and scum than 3P, but all 3 possibilities exist (up to this point)

And now, I'll do something even mastina can't do: I will predict that I am a member of the TOWN and I will state I'm 100% confident of it even before I flip.

Now if all above is proven true by the end of the game; will you put "Almost50 is actually Almost51" in your signature?

[Almost50]

@Reasonably Psychotic:

"Wolves are gathering round my door
Ask them in and invite some more"

Howard Jone.

[Almost50]

@Gamma: So you've arguing against mastina being worthy of a sheep, and you say Joan of Arc's response isn't a town response, yet you joined the same wagon they're both pushing?? What gives?

[Almost50]

@Mortality: You're clever, you're funny and -in this game- you're TOWN. That's all cool and dandy, but when it comes to reading me

on this account

you still suck.

(Also as a side note I think Torque should be obv.Town by now, and so is Toog, while the bottom 3 of your top 6 appear to be too high than they should, so -in short- your read list is as bad as Michael Jackson himself)

[Almost50]

and -in this game- you're TOWN.

Why?

Because I know him too well, I'm afraid. We spoke a ton during OK2 both in the PT and by PM. I also played with him in another game shortly after (where he was town) so I managed to get a firm grip of how he approaches his games as either alignment.

[Almost50]

who is scum, almost

~Near

I dunno

for sure

yet, but I agree Elena is likely scum. I also have no quite a few slots that are not in my "confidently TRs" list that may include some player everyone is currently leaning town on.

For example, mastina and RP are not scum

together

, yet one may still be, and I don't know which. They could both be town too.

Spike & Jet is another slot that I independently can't trust. Creature's not obv.owning and Xtoxm.. well, just read his signature on his main to know what I think of his scum game.

I'm leaning Town on Dunn but I have nothing much to prove it (or be confident in it).

I suspect BOTH Miller claims, and I wouldn't be too surprised if they BOTH were scum who went for am over the top gambit. Like, 2 Millers, one flips scum, the other is semi-cofirmed town. THIS though means one of mastina/RP

must be

scum, because these are the two players I can imagine going that far.

Finally, I have no read on Robert, and I dunno why PB suddenly jumped so high on mastina's readlist (despite the fact I personally had a TR on PB, mind you).

The rest I'm comfortable calling town for various reasons.

[Almost50]

@Near: Not yet. I am waiting for a few people to come say something useful today before I vote. But, it's likely that I will vote her "eventually" if that's what you're asking.

[Almost50]

@Toog: Since you're here... I'm going to poke you with a couple of questions. First, true or false: you are in only ONE channel (CH 5, as per your 2nd post of the game). Is this correct?

[Almost50]

@Toog: Since you're here... I'm going to poke you with a couple of questions. First, true or false: you are in only ONE channel (CH 5, as per your 2nd post of the game). Is this correct?

A50, what shifts occurred in your reads as a result of Vedith flipping scum?

-Yukiteru

The major one was that on Torque. I was leaning scum on the slot before the flip. I don't any other reads changed drastically due to the flip itself.

[Almost50]

@Toog: Since you're here... I'm going to poke you with a couple of questions. First, true or false: you are in only ONE channel (CH 5, as per your 2nd post of the game). Is this correct?

Yes,that is correct.

OK. Good.

Now, did you talk about your role in that channel at anytime? Whether it be during the day (before the flip) or at night (after the flip)?

If not, then I have no further questions. If you did though, please try to be specific as to

when

you did it.

[Almost50]

I did post a comment regarding my role in channel 5 before Vedith's lynch yesterday. I posted the comment at 8:09am EST, Tursday, Feb. 12th.

Did your comment hint in anyway that you might be a PGO instead if what you told us in the main thread? (Again, if not.. ignore me, but if yes, then take a look at 1451 and tell me what you think).

[Almost50]

OK. Cool.

I just used my *trademark* A50 logic, connecting that with mastina's wish to test it and if you don't die we lynch you, and I thought IF he is a PGO and scum know it then they're going to leave him alone and lynch him on D3.

[Almost50]

Unless what you are trying to elude to is that I...

A) Claimed PGO.
B) There is a scum other than Verdith in channel 5 and they are buddies with S&J.
C) S&J is trying to sound smart for thinking like that when they could have been informed via buddy in Channel 5.

D) mastina is playing along and will get you lynched on D3

Yes. But -of course- you probably didn't claim PGO and I'm just crazy.

[Almost50]

Mastina is just lining up my death regardless. If I don't die tonight, I'm going to be death tunneled all day tomorrow by her.

I see that. (puts down a note to add Toog to the RR duo in regards to who mastina would tunnel in every game regardless)

[Almost50]

Btw, I have news for all: On D3, I will be unable to post in the main thread for the first 7 days, which -I guess- means I would have to out having access to -at least- one channel.

I will try to be coy and refrain from posting for the first 40+ hours of the day anyway. I thought about declaring V/LA, but ruke #11 says I have to set my profile on V/LA for that long if I wish for it to be accepted, and -of course- that would be a lie because I'm not really V/LA and won't stop posting elsewhere, so... *Shrug*

[Almost50]

^Scummy response detected^

[Almost50]

Explanation: A

totally different view

would assume Spike is town and trying to protect Toog. this doesn't excise mastina's response btw, but it went unnoticed by scum until I brought it up, and now Dunn (a member of the scum team) is wondering if it's true and thus want to investigate the subject because Toog was indeed their target tonight.

[Almost50]

So, if Toog did NOT claim PGO in tha channel then Spike should be clear, and Dunn looks really bad here, with mastina still tunneling at best or scum who was skeptical of Toog's claim and saw it as an opportunity to line up his lynch in any case.

[Almost50]

Btw, leave you donations in the boc to the right before you leave, Thank you.

[Almost50]

Mastina is just lining up my death regardless. If I don't die tonight, I'm going to be death tunneled all day tomorrow by her.

Rightly so! Because you claimed a fucking role that is meant to die N2. And if you don't die N2...why the fuck not.

I'm going to have to step in right now to say: You type a LOT, read little, and comprehend nothing.

Toog maybe scum (not according to me, but .. maybe). He could be checked on N3 (or he could've been checked on N1, mind you).

Yet he could be what he said he sis and he is dying on N2.

Or he could still be what he said he is and scum won't believe it so they won't try to kill him, especially with you offering him to them on a silver platter 9and that['s assuming you're town, which I think you might be, but if I had to choose between you & Toog then he is the townie 11 times out of 10)

Then again, he could be what SPIKE said he is and instead of having scum walk right into the trap you are telling them not to bother because you are their very own minion and will do their job for them without the risk.

So, which is it? Are you bad or are you really bad? Like, even if you didn't believe his claim, and even if you suspected him, why couldn't you just keep your mouth shut until after the fact to see what happens and then talk about it?

The more this hoes on the more I think Spike was actually trying to

protect

Toogeloo, and you (mastina) are persistent on walking in the other direction.

THAT is why (a) I don't read your walls, and (b) I never follow your reads. STOP BEING BAD AT THIS GAME.

Thank you.

[Almost50]

@mastina: I'm sorry if that came out too string or harsh. You know how I am. It's nothing personal. Just give the guy a chance, will you?

[Almost50]

orly

This is the French airport located south of Paris. Right?

[Almost50]

OH! A MASTINA TRAIN! I LOVE IT!!

VOTE: mastina

[Almost50]

Mastina, I’m town. If you’re town, you’re gonna get killed pushing me. Let’s go Wisdom.

Wisdom is town too. Let's go dancing.

Spoiler:

unless you'd rather go crazy

Spoiler:

You know what? I suggest we go all the way

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

VOTE: Elena

Over 26 hours ago she said

Well I'm going to get to this tomorrow. Have quite a bit to say, but my brain can't put it together

But she never delivered. Think the cat's eaten her "mouse"??

[Almost50]

What's worse is she claims that Elena is her "tryhard" alt. Check her ISO and let me know what you get from it (Hint: this here post is longer than the tl'dr Elena has said in the whole game)

[Almost50]

Ogm for God's sake, Elena! Like we need yet

another

vanity wagon. Should I switch my vote to someone who is currently not voted??

[Almost50]

My channel is a masonry.

What channel is that again? And why would you think it's a masonry?

[Almost50]

Ogm for God's sake, Elena! Like we need yet

another

vanity wagon. Should I switch my vote to someone who is currently not voted??

we're not near deadline so i dont see why thats such a problem

~Near

Because it messes up with VCA. I want to see who votes whom with whom. If every wagon is composed of 1-3 votes and then they change their minds I have everyone having voted everyone else when there was no real pressure on the voted = NAI

[Almost50]

I think I want to pull a N_M in this game. I'll just pop-up to lol!hammer someone

[Almost50]

FINALLY someone is talking to me. GOTCHA!

Now give me your reads (with proper reasoning that doesn't reveal much of the "info" shared in any PTs you might be in, yet is clear enough for me to discuss with you based on content in this thread).

[Almost50]

Did you totally miss what I said between the brackets? How am I supposed to discuss a read without reasoning?

[Almost50]

Btw, from that lot I can only confidently call Joan Town, I also TR RP, but not as confident. (And I have just found I somehow deleted the line about PB altogether, so she was missing from my list of players)

[Almost50]

I think I was TRing Pink, but I no longer remember why (i.e. the specific post(s)). I also recall I found it strange mastina reversed her read on the slot. That's as much as I can remember what I had there form memory.

[Almost50]

I don't mind being called a she either. regardless of being an ugly monkey.

[Almost50]

Lynch Elena

[Almost50]

I need advise and I don't even know whom to trust.

OK.. here's the think... my N1/N2 "grey text" are both useless garbage. As I said I won't be able to post in the main thread tomorrow (D3) for the opening 7 days (and if there's a guilty I think the day ends before I am allowed to vote, but will check with the mod is voting counts as "posting" if I'm still alive tomorrow)

Now the 3rd grey text area is mysterious and the mod won't give me more info. Suffice it to say I may or may not gain a new ability, and if I do I don't know what it is (thus can't evaluate if it's "as good" as my other two.)

I believe you all have the option to request a new role PM

before the end of D3

as I do. However, most of you probably KNOW what your abilities are and what they're for, so should be relatively easy for you to decide. I DON'T!!

Now how am I supposed to decide whether I want a new role when I don't even know what my CURRENT role does or will have? So this is where I need your advice. It's a gamble either way, and a blind one.. (feels like betting red or black in roulette. with 0/00 being BOTH are useless)

So, red or black??

[Almost50]

You're all so kind and pretty helpful (especially you, Cerb).

As for the ongoing conversations, I stopped reading the thread long ago (if that wasn't obvious already). I have my reads and I won't support lynches on my top TRs and that's it. Can't be bothered to read pages and pages (withing one post, mind you) only to have them retracted later on (or being pursued despite having been proven wrong numerous times).

[Almost50]

TODAY'S SETUP

SPECIAL MECHANICS

1.

THE 3-EPISODE RULE

2.

WATCH OR DROP

-

At the end of Day 3

, whether or not a lynch occurs, there will be

a 24-hour daybreak

where players may decide to "Drop" their Role PM and replace it with a new, pre-generated Role PM based on one of their other picks, by PM-ing the mod. The new Role PM will have its abilities fully unlocked

BUT WILL NOT CHANGE YOUR, OR ANYONE'S ALIGNMENT.

. You do not know what's in the new Role PM until you decide to Drop, and the Drop is irreversible. Night 3 starts after 24 hours have passed or everyone decided.

It's really nice to see people are still into the habit of paying attention to their role PMs and/or the rules of the game they're playing.

Gamma is no longer a TR and RP might be scum.

Especially RP

. Cerb is into "combing" his role PM to bits, so I suspect he doesn't even have THAT in his.

[Almost50]

holy fucking gross
just because I miscommunicate info I'm no longer town?
VOTE: Almost50, let's fucking jam my dude

YES. Because this part is ESSENTIAL in my role PM, and I expect it to be in everyone's (at least all TOWN players). You don't confuse the end of DAY with the end of NIGHT. If you do -and you're town- the you will miss the option to switch your role.

It even confused me I had to ask the mod about it. I said "how am I supposed to decide, and can you give me more info about my N3 ability to help me decide?" and he declined to give more details and said I will have to gamble.

If you did have that bit in your PM you should have -at least- considered your options. Maybe you did like your abilities that you decided to not switch your role anyway? That's why I said RP in particular might be scum, and only revoked the TR status from you. I didn't say you're confirmed scum. Your reaction though is telling.

[Almost50]

The drop happens between the end of D3, and the start of N3, not before the end of D3.

almost, this is correct. what are you talking about

~Near

Oh. I misread what he said then. Still, I wouldn't know what my ability would be by then, so I wanted some advice on which was to go, and I would have expected Cerb of all to give the best advice from a mechanical PoV.

[Almost50]

the special rules are not in the role pms, at least not in ours. they're only in the op.

~Near

That specific rule in in my role PM, in bold.

[Almost50]

The while text of it is even capitalized too.

[Almost50]

Ah, I've just checked Vedith's role PM and it is in his too, so scum do have it.

[Almost50]

Ah, I've just checked Vedith's role PM and it is in his too, so scum do have it.

So what do you think now?

I already said what I think, but you're not reading because you're more concerned about having me explicitly say you're town. It's not like my read on you (or anyone else) will decide their fate. I will still lol!hammer anyone I don't have a strong TR on if I catch them @L-1

[Almost50]

What's the VC like?

[Almost50]

Near/Elena/Torque scum team

Well, I'm on Elena and I thought you were too. Let's lynch this first then we see who else. I don't think both Near & Torque bused Vedith, so I believe at least one of then is Town here.

[Almost50]

I’m town.

I believe this. I also believe your reads are shit. For instance, you're insisting Clem is Town when I'm like 80% sure he's scum. I won't argue much, but just look at him voting/unvoting you most recently to get my point. (and if you don't that's on you tbh)

[Almost50]

oh knock it off a50

Knock what off? If you two could "mutually confirm each other", how can you even think of voting him here? And if it has been "suddenly" revealed to you that he is scum, then why did you unvote so soon?

[Almost50]

I’m town.

I believe this. I also believe your reads are shit. For instance, you're insisting Clem is Town when I'm like 80% sure he's scum. I won't argue much, but just look at him voting/unvoting you most recently to get my point. (and if you don't that's on you tbh)

This entire text should be directed to you about your read on fl

~Near

No. I know his play and I kinda know when he's being manipulative-as-scum vs manipulative-as-town. FL is dropping his guard here, which is something he never does as scum. He is making himself overly vulnerable, and he

could indeed

get lynched TODAY, yet he's not backing off. It's because he

believes

he's right about you being scum (which is one major reason I'm calling his reads shit).

[Almost50]

my character turns people into bombs
how would i empower someone
my n1 ability was literally being a miller

How many shots?

[Almost50]

Also, can you self-target?

[Almost50]

fl town does not think im scum here, almost. Hes not dumb. He can read me.

~Near

Funny he's been saying just that in Channel 1. He thinks Town you would never SR him here. (Yes, I am a member of CH 1). I said not to claim in Channels, and Ali (before he replaced out) warned against flavor claiming, yet they all claimed everything in that Channel (or in the main thread). I can assure you Clem and FL aren't scum together, and I can assure you Joan is 100% Town. Pink Ball is a Town read from the main thread (as well as the Channel).

NOW VOTE ELENA!

[Almost50]

my character turns people into bombs
how would i empower someone
my n1 ability was literally being a miller

How many shots?

1
cant self-target

At least that rhymes with what you said in CH1, but it was still DUMB to claim it in there. Now tell me something: How the hell can you and FL "mutually confirm each other"? Because that part I didn't get.

[Almost50]

We're not voting Elena, I'd sooner vote you

I dare you to do, SCUM!

[Almost50]

dunn is town too. so you have many reads to correct, almost.

~Near

If you insist..

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

I'll bite, why am I scum A50?

I don't like your voting patterns. Let me give you an example: You think BOTH FL & ooba are scum?

[Almost50]

i do think both fl and ooba are scum. Why are they not?

~Near

I wasn't asking you. I have other reasons to believe you're Town. I don't have any reason to believe Dunn is Town.

So, Dunn.. who else -aside from ooba- do you think is scum then?

@Clem: I asked you how you & FL were supposed to mutually confirm each other? I also asked why you decided to vote him and why you unvoted so soon? Thank you

[Almost50]

I want to know why you thought I was scumreading FL

I dunno. Probably mistook a post from someone else as being made by you. I went back to ISO you and I don't see why I had that down as a remark next to your name.

[Almost50]

I want to know why you thought I was scumreading FL

I dunno. Probably mistook a post from someone else as being made by you. I went back to ISO you and I don't see why I had that down as a remark next to your name.

Or you saw it in my neighborhood, where I did have suspicion on Morality at one point

So does this mean you're hiding in that neighborhood, or are your scum buddies feeding you info? Can you make a post if you're in my neighborhood?

Whether or not I am in that neighborhood is irrelevant. I did explicitly warn against the possibility of me being able to read ALL Channels, so anyone who said anything they shouldn't have will only have themselves to blame. And yes, that explains the remark then. Thank you.

[Almost50]

And yes, that explains the remark then. Thank you.

Are you able to tell me what I just said in my hood?

I thought we had agreed that I am scum and that my scum buddies were relaying info to me, so your test is useless because -to my understanding- all PTs are open day and night.

But I'll pretend not to have any idea, so that you may think I don't have access AND have no one to share the info with me, thus tricking you into thinking I'm Town or 3P.

[Almost50]

Almost50 either can see into all neighborhoods, is hiding in my neighborhood but won't reveal, or had his scum mates in my hood relay my thoughts to him

Let's start with #3. Now that you know/suspect there's scum in there you need to decide whom it is. THAT is a good starting point.

[Almost50]

all PTs are open day and night.

the scum pt isnt

~Near

Um.. did you have to? I was trying to fake a town slip here. If it ever came down to me being wagoned one of partners would have came up with that as proof I wasn't scum. You've just spoiled it for me.

[Almost50]

So, A50: Please elaborate on your reasoning for the statements you made about the hoods at the start of the game, and also elaborate on why you've suddenly chosen to start speaking.

I did it because I could & it was fun.

[Almost50]

Channel 1: FL, Drixx, Clem/Ankamius, Pink Ball, Joan, Almost

Channel 3: Gamma, Pink Ball, S&J, Robert/ooba

Channel 5: NxM, C&Y, Toog, Robert/ooba, Vedith, Almost

i think those are the claimed channels, feel free to fill in

~Near

Don't exclude me from ANY channel. I may have spoken in two of them, but that doesn't mean I am not in any or even all others

[Almost50]

We have no idea if all the hoods in the game has a scum or not. Some of us are in one hood, some are in multiples like Morality (who elected to post in one channel and not in the other)

This is interesting
Did Morality end up posting in any other channel?

~Near

*Sigh*
I can't argue with THAT.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Almost50]

Elena is still scum though

[Almost50]

OK, so here's a declaration: I won't claim which channel(s) I'm in and won't be posting in them either for the time being. You should all be concerned I could read what you say in your channel(s) without you realizing I'm in it.

Spoiler:

Damn, I couldn't have come up with a scummier declaration. Couple that with my RVS vote on myself, and I should be considered the antichrist of the game by all other players already.

I had the thought of doing this as well, but I decided to speak in one of them.

this is the relevant fl post

~Near

FFS.

[un][/uv]

So FL did mention it himself

before

SSBM commented. So it is not inside info.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

basically ssbf slipped fl scum

How is it a slip?
Like, I said I won't be posting in my channels. Now if you later say "Almost is in some channels but won't post in them" does that make us scum together?

[Almost50]

We have no idea if all the hoods in the game has a scum or not. Some of us are in one hood, some are in multiples like Morality (who elected to post in one channel and not in the other)

This is interesting
Did Morality end up posting in any other channel?

~Near

To explain the slip, PB and S&J:

SSBF stated that Morality elected to post in one channel and not in the other.

There is no way for SSBF to know what choice morality made unless 1) they were scum together, or 2) Morality claimed(in that one PT where they posted) that they were choosing to not post in another PT they had access to.

We need confirmation from the members of the PT we know he was posting in that he *did not* state that he was choosing to not post in another PT.

-Yukiteru

3( (which turns out to be the case) Morality said that in the main thread long before SSBM said it.

[Almost50]

why did he assume fl is in exactly one more channel?

Maybe because he (SSBM) was in just 2 channels himself, so assumed everybody else is.

[Almost50]

A50, the basis of the slip is that flavor claimed an unspecified # of channels >1
ssbf seems to know the # is 2 eaxactly

Mate. I am assuming you are in 2 channels, specifically #3 & #777 ( ). Am I scum with you?

[Almost50]

we also no evidence he is was in more than one channel

Exactly. This means he

could

have been bluffing and the truth is he is in only one channel, in which case that slip is NOT a slip at all, and even spews FL Town.

[Almost50]

and even spews FL Town.

how?

~Near

Because SSBM said "and not in the

other

" implying FL is in

exactly two

channels. If FL is in only one, or if he is in -say- 3, then that means SSBM does NOT know how many channels FL is in.

So now we need for the replacement to tell us exactly how many channels they're in.

[Almost50]

I actually was getting to answering the question but then I accidently hit the back button on my mouse so it's all gone

fuck my life

I dunno about mobiles, but on PC if that ever happens to me I just click the forward button and it's all there. Like, even when I'm composing a post and we have a POWER SHUT DOWN, as soon as I turn my PC and "restore previous sessions" on my browser I still have what I was typing (sometimes minus 2-3 words). Just saying, in case you're on a PC.

[Almost50]

^Spoke too fast (as always! What's new?)

[Almost50]

Almost50 either can see into all neighborhoods, is hiding in my neighborhood but won't reveal, or had his scum mates in my hood relay my thoughts to him

Let's start with #3. Now that you know/suspect there's scum in there you need to decide whom it is. THAT is a good starting point.

First step is to lynch you

Now THAT is what drives me nuts about you. You wanna lynch me? DO IT! NOW ANSWER MY BLOODY QUESTION! WHO IS BLOODY SCUM IN YOUR CHANNEL?

[Almost50]

Creature? Is that you? If it is I have a quick question to ask you..

[Almost50]

Oh, OK. My bad.

[Almost50]

Wait! Isn't Xtoxm supposed to be Spike?

[Almost50]

@ Creature: In the game we played together on MU, who was in charge of the Mafia RB ability? An who was Arsonist?

[Almost50]

@ Creature: In the game we played together on MU, who was in charge of the Mafia RB ability? An who was Arsonist?

I remember Titus got RB and beeboy arso.

OK... I was just verifying it's really you posting. Carry on.

[Almost50]

Well, I believe I could.. for the first few at least

[Almost50]

wolves

Say that again and I'll tunnel you like you've never been before. This is a game of MAFIA. This site is MAFIA.SCUM. The mod refers to the anti-town as SCUMS. There is no room for "canine" roles in this game.

[Almost50]

A50 might be scum and I've went over why

I thought I was confirmed scum to you. Good to know it's just a "maybe".

[Almost50]

I made it through the post-restriction
Somehow I made it through
Didn't know how hard it was
Until I went it through

I was bored
Yes indeed
I was mad, I was sad and blue
But as now I'm free
Yeah, as now I'm free
To post what I want

Hoo, Like a madman
Posting for the very first time
Like a maaaaadman
I will own mastina
Yeah, her butt is mine

Gonna give it all, my best shot
My patience growing thin
Been saving it all for you
'Cause only TOWN can win

You're so bad
And you're mean
Made me mad, yeah you made me bald
Pulling all my hair
Yeah, I've pulled out all my hair
Now my head feels cold

Hoo, Like a madman
Posting for the very first time
Like a maaaaadman
I will own Elena
Yeah, her butt is mine

No more lies
No more schemes
Lynching me? In your wildest dreams
'Cause you made a slip
Yeah, you made a slip
Now you're trapped it seems

Ooh baby
Yeah
I can hear your heart beat
For the very last time

(

Yeah, Weird Al Yankovic ain't got shit on me!

)

[Almost50]

Stay tuned, boys and girls. Wait for me to post everything. Stand still and silent as if a pigeon has just landed on you head and you don't want to scare her.

[Almost50]

First, I won't go through how many lies/misreps mastina's case on me contained. It was torturous enough going through it in the first time, and I don't want to go through the agony of having to reread and respond to it again.

Instead, I will ISO myself and comment on my own posts/stances to show all where I've been comig from.

But first, let me claim (something mastina is opposed to). My flavor is known to at least 2 slots already, so I will withhold that bit for now.

[Almost50]

My role is as follows:

On N1 I unlock "Experience". Starting N1 I gain 100K Exp times the Night # (100K on N1 + 200K on N2 + 300K on N3). That's it.

On N2 I unlock the post-restriction you all have witnessed (it applies to every subsequent day phase, so I won;t be posting for the first week of D4 as well)

On N3 I "thought" I would gain a new ability. After discussing with the mod and rereading the role PM I realized it didn't say I would gain a new ability on N3, but rather "when I've gained enough experience". The mod specifically told me 600K may not be enough still. That was when I exclaimed on how I was supposed to decide on whether I should request a new role when I don't know what THIS role's ability is/would be. Tatsuya said to take it on faith and that I'd have to gamble on one or the other.

So, that's what my role is, and my flavor has been claimed to both members alive in CH5.

[Almost50]

@Cerb: THIS is why I asked for your advice. I have decided to bet on keeping the role now, but at that point I wasn't sure what I'm supposed to do.

Oh, and I have been PGO'ized. I won't say how, who or when. It's just that I think scum may have somehow knew of it, which explains why they want me lynched over anyone else. Also, scum "may" have a Role Cop (not sure).

[Almost50]

Now let me start ISOing myself...

My opening 48 is a classic opener for me. Now there those who know me, those who don't, and then there are those who

know me well

. Those who know me will shrug it off as NAI. Those who don't will probably find it scummy, and thus will either engage me for a better read or -if investigative- will check me. Those who know me "well" will instantly suspect I'm up to something. It is still NAI but they will expect it to be some kind of gambit that I'm doing. N short, I was throwing myself into the game without trying to be LAMIST.

61 I obviously was trying to alert the town not to saying stuff they shouldn't be saying in channels. Not that it worked though, and I saw people doing that. A few people claimed abilities and/or flavor in their channels (Toog actually was gambitting as he claimed PGO in there, which is part of why I changed my read on Robert, as I though scum would shoot him on N1 if they had that info relayed to them.)

IMPORTANT: MASTINA WAS PUSHING TOOG HARD. He flipped Town and she didn't reevaluate. She's accusing Wisdom of the very same thing she's doing (just as she is accusing me of playing the way she does as scum)

Now let's skip to the important stuff (I thank MASTINA & PB for having me go reread my own ISO. I honestly never do that!)

The bottom of 197 us what had me suspect Dunn all game. His early FoS on me was uncalled for, and -as I told him- he could've kept his thoughts to himself for a little while.

In 245 I made my first FoS on Robert.
255 (the very next post of mine) I also FoS SSBF & Elena.

So out of the whole players list the first 4 I FoS'd were 2 flipped scums, one unflipped scum (Elena) and one person who always makes bad moves when I'm around (Dunn).

Now according to mastina I am scum. I'd want her to show me a game were I FoS not one, but TWO of my partners so early into the game. Those who know me know I do not bus unless necessary, and I simply don't see the need arising just yet at that point.

262 "How do you manage to look this townie so early, Toog?". Can somebody point out why I would state such a strong TR on Toog this early? Why Toog??

361 My first serious vote of the game.It went bad so I fixed it in the subsequent post.

364 Check scum!me nitpicking on my scum buddy, drawing attention to a slip nobody else seems to have noticed or taken issue with.

In 374 I am applauding Wisdom's vote on my "scum buddy"

402 I am half-arse defending Creature (instead of jumping all over him for doing what he does as scum). Scum!me states Creature can be like this as town. Right.

Note: I am sticking my neck out there because we played a hydra game on MU where U was Creature's hydra partner, and we were scum. Ali was in that game and was town and kept pushing us based on Creature's old meta. Why would I want to oppose Ali here instead of buddying him?

581 reminds me I also got prodded this game (a rare incident). Would I be more likely to forget to post as town or scum in a game of this caliber? I'll leave that for everyone to answer to themselves.

590 & 595 I unvote Vedith for saying he voted his counterwagon for survialistic reasons. Good interaction between 2 scum buddies. He even invites his scum buddy to vote with him, but -also- shades his scum buddy for unvoting him.

698 Trying to liven up the game rather than be content with the "big boys" taking a back seat and playing for time. I am even encouraging a cerb/Drixx team to join forces.

722 Is

not my post

. It's MASTINA'S. See how SHE responds to cerb calling on Drixx to work with him. So, Scum me encourages a cerb/Drixx combined force and Town Mastina shades it????

733 is my response to Mastina's shade on the notion. Just read it and compare.

Also check 734 for me vs Mastian on Toog's alignment. Enough said.

825 is a read list disguised in the form of a VC. Copy it to your preferred editor and color the flips. (Note: ONLY major failure was on Vedith, whom I couldn't imagine would state he voted his counterwagon to survive as scum)

827 Confident in my TRs on Gamma & PB (Gamma because the earlier interaction where she was skeptical of me confusing mastina with the mod, which she had a valid reason to be. How she went about it after I had explained is much mire likely town her according to how she herself explained her play to me once). AND YES, I made a mistake on VEDITH. So sew me.

833 Now where am I going with this? Yes, I am defending Vedith, but ALSO stating that if I'm right about the others it makes Vedith town. Who are the others? Mastina, Elena & Robert!

Btw, back to 825 did you notice I TR'd the whole of Vedith's wagon? Scum!me would have probably suspected one or two on the wagon to justify not voting him. In what world does scum me specify 3 slots as scum and TRs everyone else at this point?

833 also has the explanation as to why I reversed my read on Vedith.

Now let me highlight 834 for your eyes to see. I'll repeat: I was TRing Near x Mello, Chito and Yuuri, Torque, Clemency, Spike and Jet, and I said scum were counting on town to do the job for them. I said the other 2 wagons (on Gamma & PB) were also on Town. So far, I think these were all accurate statement, except that Vedith was scum. He still was voted by an all-town wagon at that point.

842 Torque draws my attention to the fact it says "at least" in the OP, which was the main reason I was specifying 3 scums rather than 4.

844 Reminder to Torque: Is this how you would expect scum!me to go about this issue between you and Wisdom? I mean, I'll even give you the option to assume Wisdom is scum with me (and the mod decided to throw the whole team into one Channel ). Now does my post here come from scum!me regardless of Wisdom's alignment?

845 I am calling for people to scum hunt within their own channels. Hmmm.. maybe my omniponent role has to do with that, since I'd be able to read into everything everyone posts in private.

890 I'm siding by Toog against mastina. Again, make your own judgement on which side I should be taking if I was scum.

891

not my post

. It's Elena's. No comment.

1020 Irrelevant to my case, but a reminder: THIS game is now over, and it was the reason I mistook mastina for the mod.

1021 Talking to Drixx. I know that I wasn't being too crazy/aggressive (yet I was

very

precise). My reference to D4 should be clear now that I've claimed my role and how I mistook it to be DEFINITELY giving me an ability by the end on N3. I just wanted to live long enough to know what that ability is, as it sounded like it would break the game open (how else would you interpret "clear the game"?)

1027 Toog had yet to claim PGO in the channel (or at least I had yet to see it)


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Getting mixed up on setup or roles etc when in multiple games is not strange.

It is when one of them is a UPick which by its very nature is Vtless.

Mastina shading PB for something she KNEW would be true, since >I< mistook her for the mod earlier in this very game. If I can't tell which game I am in, and not even which ACCOUNT I'm using, then it makes perfect sense someone could get confused between two games and not pay attention to the title of the game because they are CONFUSING THE BLOODY GAMES. That also is much more likely to happen if you play a number of the same people in more than one game.

Back to our usual schedule

1031 My take on mastina's play. 1032, 1088 & 1212 all follow the same line.

1213 If I'm not mistaking, I think this came right after I had read Toog (and someone else's) claims in theory respective channels. Scum!me felt the urge to tell them I saw that and to stop giving "me" more info.

1217 realizing mastina isn't happening, so switching back to Vedith (whom I was NOT SURE would flip scum still, but regardless of the alignment it was the right lynch at that point).

1222 Explaining 1217 further.

Question: I'm scum with Vedith. I know he's flipping red. Instead of being confident voting him based on an obvious slip I am still stuttering to spell s.c.u.m. Perfect for me.

1251 pretending not to know Drixx was in CH5 , then deciding to post in that same channel. Oh, Gosh! I must be really stupid! WAIT! Mastina says otherwise. She says I'm a competent scum player. So how did this "little detail" escape me, when I had planned it all from the start?

1389 more intimidation directed at mastina. Scum me is playing Russian roulette instead of buddying her and just making her swim with the fish at night.

1401 It's Howard Jone

s

. How could I misspell the name of one of the greatest singers ever? I will concede I deserve to get lynched for THIS.

1457 Morality had mentioned in CH5 that he feels that I may be reading in there, and I just wanted to hint that he was spot on without outing it to the crowd. I don't even remember who his "bottom 3 of the top 6" were and I really couldn't have cared less. (@LF: If you're reading, I stand by what I said)

1459 is self-explanatory, I think

1469 I am starting to get paranoid, degrading some of my previously explicit TRs, yet keeping my 3 main suspects intact, albeit with less certainty.

1474 Expressing will to vote Elena, but stalling in hopes someone has some new information. With two bloody Miller claims one has to think there has to be some investigative in play.

In the few subsequent posts I was trying to figure out of Xtoxm had access to CH5 or if he was trying to protect Toog and incidentally came up with the same idea. I eventually decided Xtoxm was Town trying to protect Town.

1500 Clearly still suspecting mastina (just so she won't come back to say I am OMGUS'ing. It was clear from early D1 and up till now that I never TR'd her)

1504 Dunn doing Dunn things that make me Dunn read him. *Sigh*

1724 Just a reminder: If this was town her she would have replaced out already. Period.

Note: I am not accusing her of "not having RL issues". What I'm saying is IF she does, she would have replaced out as Town. She probably doesn't want to do it as scum though so she won't be accused of a tactical scum replace out.

1766 was a lame attempt at engaging someone, but an attempt never-the-less. Morality took the bait but "defused the bomb" by not giving reasons, so I tried harder by denying TRing anyone but Joan to provoke dome discussion. EPIC FAIL that turned to be.

2061 You now know what that was all about.

2071 I -again- fail to see the scum motive behind my posting this. I ould be nice if a couple of townies with weaker roles missed the deadline. Must've been a brain fart then.

I am getting bored that I'm skimming my own ISO by now. I wonder how mastina stands to type all that shit and then do more!

Oh, and @Dunn: I don't have access to your channel and I dunno what you said in there, but I decided to play you anyway because your play gets on my nerves and it was time to get even. I don't care if you believe me or not, but my channels are 1 & 5 only.

I'm done proving myself. You either lynch me or lynch mastina/elena (I am not voting outside these two in particular).

Important Update: No longer applicable. I want Elena FIRST and then will see about mastina/Gamma

. See next post for explanation.

Oh, I forgot to mention my SR was weakened on Robert by the flip of Vedith. In fact, Vedith flipping scum shook my confidence in my reads a little, but on Robert the most because both of them where in the same channel with me and I was thinking it's unlikely there were 2 scum in the same channel.

Also, did I mention how much I hate replacements? They tend to mess with all my reads. Like I SR this slot and then the replacement looks better and I can't even use the previous player's shit for an argument as that wouldn't be fair. I TR that one and then their replacement is a douchebag and I end up lynching someone I was confidently TRing. It happens all the time with me, btw, and everytime I kick myself in the butt (broke a lot of mirrors trying) but I seem to fall for it again and again.

[Almost50]

@cerb: I said to stay silent until I'm done. I did share my flavor with Near and Chito already, but I'm not outing it to the public preemptively.

[Almost50]

Btw, I'm sorry I didn't get to include 2 chapters of the bible, the opening act of every Shakespeare play, 30 pages of confidential documents from wikileaks, and a list of names of all the citizens of China to try and match mastina's posts (only when she wants to keep them short), so feel free to read 2-3 volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica and pretend I included them too.

[Almost50]

Now it doesn't look like mastina's going to get lynched today, I will try to case Elena instead.

Hint: Elena (the try hard account of MariaR) has only 68 posts in 2.5 Gamedays. As I said above, id she was Town and had legit real life obligations that kept her from playing the game properly she would have replaced out. I think we all know how MariaR hates losing, and mire so to be the reason for the loss.

Let's start with:

I like the fact A50 claiming he's not speaking in channels actually I think scum will just lurk and not claim so

Not talking in a channel is towny, but not for the reason already stated. It's easier to pocket people in neighborhoods than it is a whole thread of people. You have to play to a certain group of people in a hood that's easier to do then the whole game. It also gives the benefit of if you do pocket them and still get lynched they look bad by association.

I need not comment yet. Let's gave another quote:

Chito:

Page 7 Town OR Scum Who Broke the Rules (but would scum do that?)

Spoiler:

Dunnstral
Gamma Emerald
Torque
Near x Mello (HYDRA: Wisdom + Kokichi Oma)
Asking for a friend (HYDRA: Alisae + the worst)
Morality Flavor Leaf
Reasonably Psychotic (HYDRA: Cerberus v666 + Amzela)
Clemency
BulletNLynchproof
Toogeloo
Drixx
Joan of Arc

<--since this player list is massive, this is actually just a list of people I've arbitrarily decided not to think about for right now

People who did not post on page 7:

That I think are town anyway
Almost50
mastina

That make me wonder -- Is Jet Right?
Spike and Jet (HYDRA: Xtoxm + Creature)
Robert2424

That make me wonder -- Apathetic town or scum that didn't get excited about their role PM:
Super Smash Bros. Fan
Elena Fisher

What do you guys think? Which out of SSBF and Elena is busy town and which is scum that doesn't like their role PM?

I feel like you might push me considering what I'm about to say, but oh well. I dislike this post mostly because I don't think you really believe this list. It feels like you throwing a list out just to see what sticks. A lot of this feels like a reach anyway.

The only reads that seem okay on this are A50 and Mastina

. But from what I can tell they have a lot of townreads anyway.

But when was that? It was when I only FoS'd her for being lurky. She even tried to appease me with:

Could the two of you please step into the center of the stage and perform a first dance?

What type of dance would you like me to perform~

Then =when questioned by Robert- she reasserts her TR on me:

I said not posting in it is towny.

Then...

Okay right now I'm at this.
VOTE: Almost50

Challenge me.

Go on. Why do you scumread A50.

And:

Go on. Why do you scumread A50.

Yay someone asked! \o/
The unvote was most likely a hop off the sinking ship. It's not unusual for me to be the main attraction to the death tunnel day 1, so why stay on?
The reason of me panicking, I can't see this being bought by anyone who has played with me previously, yet it was apparently a really good answer to stop voting.

Originally Almost looked to be pushing the game, and when it looks to have little to no pressure on them, it's a bunch of worthless and empty typing.
That said, the game state is in a bad shape, so it's plausible that this is void, but I'm still going with tut tut.

That's all I have as I don't want to vote Gamma yet.

What about this gamestate is bad to you? The way you’re saying that it appears that it’s affecting your read on A50 is that true? A lot of this point feels like reasons you’re explaining your own actions then the scumread on A50 but I somewhat understand

First, let's note how Vedith accuses me of abandoning his sinking ship. <<Does this look ;ile he's talking about a partner? Read his entire post here and judge for yourselves.

Now about Elena, what does she understand exactly? I'll let her explain it herself.

Then I made my preemptive VCA post and Elena only commented on Toog and didn't say a thing about my reads.

Toogs movement makes me feel better about my reads. Will be back once again later

Toogs movement makes me feel better about my reads. Will be back once again later

Can you explain?

Him talking about how all the 'top wagons suck.' When I was scumreading 2 out of 3 of the top wagons made me feel better about my reads.

Note: Which 2 wagons was she SRing? Obviously one would be Gamma (from both previous posts of her and the fact she's voting there at that point), but which of Vedith/PB did SR?

Well, let's just remind ourselves

she stuck to he Gamma vote until the end of the day, and never voted Vedith.

But the.. she had earlier posted this:

I've skimmed and saw the obv town Ali hydra got replaced. Get off Pink imo.
Will explain more soon trying to get done with a cold (that I thought I was done with before but clearly not)

And I find myself wondering if she had changed her read on PB somewhere or was stating a SR on Vedith but didn't want to vote him! (Notice I didn't use such words as distanncing and not bussing)

You know what's more intriguing. At the time of her posting

953

both Vedith and PB were at 5 votes each. She was voting Gamma still and only Dunn was voting with her. Now if YOU (the reader) had 2 scum reads (and obviously 1 TR) and one of your SRs was being wagined and the counter wagon of them was on your TR, would you move your vote of what is basically a vanity wagon to show where you stanbd or would you stay on the smaller wagon, while asserting you have a SR on "one of the 2 bigger wagons"?

Then Toog spearheaded a wagon on mastina which I joined and S&P followedm so the VC looks something like this:

Vedith(4)
Pink Ball(3)
mastina(3)
Gamma Emerald(3)
Drixx(2)
Clemency(1)

And Elena revotes Gamma (whom she is already voting mind you) here:

VOTE: Gamma
This over Drixx or Mastina in my eyes

"This over Drixx or Mastina"??? What about your SR between Vedith/PB (which I think we had established it should be Vedith because Elena said Ali was obv.town. Forgive me for being repetitive.)

EoD 1.

On D2 she promises content later, get prodded by me voting her 26 hours later and pops up less than 15 minutes (I think my vote tied her at the top with both RP & Near), and she ends up starting a new wagon pn Clemency (in addition to 7 already existing wagons)

When I exclaimed/complained she said:

Ogm for God's sake, Elena! Like we need yet

another

vanity wagon. Should I switch my vote to someone who is currently not voted??

We're not near deadline A50. So a wagon on this slot should happen. I would vote reasonable out of the 'top waogns.' if I must.

Problem is the new VC was only 3 posts above hers and it was:

Votecount 2.7

Robert2424(4)

~ Dunnstral(22), Near x Mello(124), Toogeloo(22), Spike and Jet(37)

Reasonably Psychotic(3)

~ Gamma Emerald(38), Torque(18), singletonking(20)

Near x Mello(2)

~ Clemency(42), Joan of Arc(65)

Flavor Leaf(2)

~ mastina(47), Chito and Yuuri(31)

Elena Fisher(2)

~ Almost50(37), Flavor Leaf(172)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ Reasonably Psychotic(39)

Clemency(1)

~ Elena Fisher(9)


Not Voting (2): Robert2424(1), Pink Ball(9)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-02 11:00:00)

So AGAIN expressing will to vote a scum but content to be lasy on a vanity wagon.

2 posts later she does finally vote Robert though, and stays on the slot for the entire process of it being double replaced, until she suddenly decides to put S&J @L-1, but is already making her excuse known for the flip:

VOTE: Creature

L-1

This will shed some light of things regardless of the flip

. Personally, I don't know or care what it flips. I do think the win % goes up though.

After Ninha got modkilled she posts:

Ooba slot flipping scum comes to no surprise. Saves me the effort of pushing them today. And before anyone says anything. Yes, I said that in my neighborhood as well.
Let's look at the slots alive where I will go over them in my next post

Which I find to be a bit of LAMIST posturing.

Now check this out:

Torque: I've played with Torque in many games before. I've had hour long talks about mafia with Torque in games. This is how he's like as town unless he's up'd his game to lengths that I would never expect before. If he's scum I will bow and take that loss. However, I don't think he is and neither does anyone else so we don't need to worry about this.

Dunnstral: His votes on ooba did not feel like a bus. Along with my own meta (you all know what I mean)

mastina: I've agreed with mastina on a lot of things she's posted even before I said it myself. I don't know why people think she's scum and I haven't seen a reason to suspect her. I will admit I've been wrong on her before, but I doubt that's the case here.

Chito and Yuuri: I will admit this is the slot I go back and forth the most on. They were some of the people who wanted smash dead the most. However, that's the only good thing I can put on this slot at all. Combine that with the fact Smash has a very bad role he'd be the perfect person to bus. However, I wouldn't lynch them anytime soon.

Joan of Arc: The fight with Near x Mello seemed town of Joan. A lot of the thoughts they say are all over the place, but I think the main factor is they believe what they're typing.

Gamma Emerald: Need to read into this slot.

Near x Mello: I really have no reason to put this slot above any others in the game. From my pov the reads they have are pretty bad. They

have

been bad and I expect a lot more from Wisdom. He's made 1 really towny post that I talked about before can I think of anything else? No, not really.

Reasonably Psychotic: I think this slot has a lot of hot air posts. They say a lot but in the end, the post ends up saying very little. Mech talk over explanation etc etc. If someone wants to explain why this slot is town to me I am all ears.

Almost50: A50 has made a lot of awful pushes this game to put it simply. His logic isn't that good either. The only thing I can think makes him towny is the 'no talking in a hood' thing. That could be my own bias coming in because while I may think that action is towny others can disagree and use it as a wolf.

Pink Ball: I can not name a single thing Pink has done that I would consider towny. His reads are flimsy the logic doesn't add up. It's just overall...bad I want this lynched the most out of everyone in the game at the moment. It'd also clear one of my NAI slots (Gamma) if Pink were to flip scum and I think he will.

Now how on earth did both myself and PB end up at the bottom of her read list? WHERE is her thought progression? Where did she mention anything about either slot looking shady to her? And how did Gamma end up so high?

So, Elena is scum to me. I may see her pocketing mastina (in which case I'm

still

not gonna play with her anymore in the future) and Gamma her partner. I wouldn't bet on it though.

VOTE: Elena

I'll tell you what I know so well
You're scum and you're not acting well
You know you should admit your guilt
Gonna get you now
Gonna get to you
I'm lynching you with inspiration
A-a-a-a-aah a-a-ah a-a-ah a-a-a-a-aah

Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on
You and nobody else
Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on
Just walk this way
Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on
You and nobody else
I wanna take you out of this thread

Just want to lynch you
Just want to lynch you
Lynch you
Just want to lynch you
Just want to lynch you
Lynch you

I won't lynch, I won't lynch
I won't lynch anybody else
I won't lynch, I won't lynch
I won't lynch anybody else
I won't lynch, I won't lynch
I won't lynch anybody else
I won't lynch, I won't lynch
I won't lynch anybody else

[Reapeat till fade]

[Almost50]

I'm done for now (Sorry. I don't have the mastina capacity to go on and on and on and on. I do not use Energizer batteries I'm afraid.)

[Almost50]

Btw.. This is response to Joan asking me why I retracted my SR on mastina when she said I will die if mastina flipped green (yeah, she was going to single handedly power lynch me, Wisdom and PB is mastina flipped green):

I am still scum reading mastina. mastina cannot be lynched today. I want to lynch her scum partner first because that is an easier lynch to achieve. When Elena flips red mastina will be obvious scum and will no longer require an additional vote to fie either. It's simple. Lynch Elena today and mastina tomorrow.

Btw, mastina is going to do all she can to protect Elena. She will push for a Gamma lynch if she can't lynch me.

You said mastina thinks you're still gullible (early in this thread). Well guess what.. you still are, and the fact that you believe in her this strong is proof. mastina is a great mod, but as a player she is hardly even average. She relies not on analysis, but her own fantasies and a loud voice, She tries to bore people to death with her gigantic walls that almost nobody reads, but many assume she has something valuable in them so bend over and yield to her wish. Anyone with a brain doesn't ever sheep mastina. Part of why I was TRing vedith is in fact that mastina joined his wagon. I was scum reading the predecessor and she wasn't. A wagon builds on Vedith and suddenly she decides to join it and even now she's trying to take credit for it when she clearly had nothing to do with building the original wagon.

NVM. Check this out:

OK, so first impression is your slot is Town (Cerb wouldn't be trying to "pocket" me, would he?).

Steven Universe 2 called.
It wants its Almost50 back.

I stated a TR on cerb and she soon jumped to discredit me. She also said you were scum, in the beginning but then reversed her read on you when nobody bought it.

Like, all she cares to do is control the game and do what she wants, as either alignment. If she's town and the lynch she drives i on town she goes back to blame it on someone else, or even on the lynchee themselves.

If mastina is town AND is as good as you think she is, then WHY THE FUCK IS SHE STILL ALIVE? If she's that good then the fact she's still alive us damning. If she's Town then she must have really bad reads that scum don't mind leaving her to spearhead the mislynches they need to win.

Now pick one:

A- Mastina is a GOOD player = she's scum here because scum won't let a townie that good live this long

OR

B- Mastina is Town = She's not half as good as the players scum decided to kill before her

There's no third alternative

Mastina also SR'd Toog hard and is responsible for his death, btw.

Another bloody quote:

For the record.

Just on record.

I can't say I'm much better but at least I won't go around saying "I'm gonna die N1"; I know better given my own (lack of) reads quality.

I said it before and I'll say it again; I don't particularly have townreads, so much as I have "not groupscum" reads combined with "I don't want to lynch these people yet" reads, with the people in my lynch list being more "I'd be willing to lynch here" more than real proper scumreads. (Well, for most except maybe some of my bottom four. Particularly Cerb.)

Fair's fair when it comes to sharing tho, and I've been meaning to get this into the thread for a while.

Robert2424
Joan of Arc
Dunnstral
Almost50
Gamma Emerald
Super Smash Bros. Fan/Vedith
Near x Mello
Asking for a friend/Pink Ball
Toogeloo
Reasonably Psychotic

People above this point in my readslist are in the "point of being where I don't think they're groupscum".

The top of this list is "players who I don't want to lynch yet"; the middle of this list is "people who I'd be okay with lynching as a compromise", and the bottom four are preferred lynches.

So my reads aren't exactly in a better state I'll freely admit that but they're diametrically opposed to pretty much all of Creature's right now.

Check the RED TEXT FIRST. SHE says she lack quality in her reads. Are you calling mastina a liar? because if you think she has food reads then this is a lie on her part.

Then check the list she provided. This is her " early lynch pool" which has 10 entries. Even assuming FIVE scum (not just 4) then she has 5 townies listed in there. Simple math. Now which of the 10 she least wants to lynch? That's right. SCUM FUCKING ROBERT. She put him higher than AT LEAST 5 CONFIRMED TOWNIES.

Reminder: That slot was MOD KILLED. mastina had nothing to do with the flip yet she is trying to steal credit for it too.

The only flipped townie there was Toog. Why? Because mastina says she will lynch in them, so scum are using her (assuming she's town) to do their work for them.

Now, Elena is NOT on the list. What if she flips red today? How will you try to justify mastina's reads? Because a red flip outside of her 10-players lynch pool means one more townie is in there. So, SIX rather than 5 (actually 7 because I believe there are only 4 scums, but I'm going by 5 here just to give mastina some slack)

But let's look at the flipped 3. Toog is the only townie and both scums were placed higher than him.

Now check ELENA's read list. Do you see any similarities? THINK. Don't be gullible. Stop being a sheep. Think for yourself. You are a woman not a pet.

So, for the sake of clarity:

Elena >> mastina >> Gamma for me.

Now, how about those claims? I am for a mass claim of EVERYTHING. Why? Because claiming your "previous role" after the fact means shit. Some roles are verifiable, but you can't verify a role you no longer have.

Let's start with Elena, then Gamma, then mastina, then cerb (I think it fair since he called for it first). Torque can decide who goes next (I am alright with PB, Wis or Chito deciding, but I picked Torque because I do not share a channel with him)

[Almost50]

Pink Ball, listen

Give Elena a night. I know stuff that you don't and lynching her now is just wrong. if you want to lynch her tomorrow, then yeah whatever

What stuff? According to my claim I also deserve to be given a night. So who do you want to lynch then?

[Almost50]

OK, I've had it with Joan, so I'm going to move the whole discussion to this thread:

Joan has been arguing with me since I declared I want to lynch Elena first. At the beginning she said she was alright with it, then she changed her mind ans is insisting I vote mastina and if she flips green I die next. She's been doing the same to PB. (PB, can you please confirm?)

I am starting to second guess my hard TR on Joan tbh. This just doesn't make sense. She went from "mastina is a strong player and a good scum hunter" to "If you want me to not scum read you then get back on mastina and eat rope if she flips town"

[Almost50]

@Pink Ball: You have my permission to relay whatever is in Ch1 to whomever you feel like telling it to, either in private or in here in the main thread.

[Almost50]

That's because I gave up on talking some sense into you. You know how it goes. If you can't convince 'em, then at least punish 'em for their mistakes.

But I already gave in and decided to seek a lynch you explicitly said you were alright with

[Almost50]

Why isn't it just that Joan is fed up with no one reading her posts

What posts? She's been repeating herself like a broken record bringing nothing new and no arguments to support anything she says that PB decided to ignore her already. Most of Joan's arguments are not even game related. She's now referencing SU2 for a reason as to why she should sheep mastina (yet at the same post states she is not sheeping). Go figure.

[Almost50]

Like what do I care if her 3rd Party win con was voided in SU2? What does that have to do with this game here? And why should I have cared?

[Almost50]

Why do you think she's using a new account

I don't even know if that's a new account. I knew she was Yume/Jeanne even before she signed up to this game, and I was surprised so many people didn't. But since it looked like no one did I decided to keep my mouth shut just in case she wanted it to be anonymous anyway.

But let's assume she is trying to change the way she plays. Doesn't that -by definition- mean she doesn't use previous games for reference? She wants to sheep mastina because in that previous game mastina was right, but that isn't the issue.. the issue is that she is still

sheeping

, which is not a great change from her previous play if you ask me. The one and only major difference is she is trying to post and didn't flake, and

I applaud that

. I can accept her playing this way for now, but I can't understand "No. Get back on mastina then eat rope if she flips town" when she had already said she was alright with Elena's lynch and has been arguing for mastina being town for the whole week.

Do you see my problem now? Any given player (not Joan.. just pick someone new.. someone who had just joined the site) I would expect to be happy when people finally yield and decide to leave their strong TR alone and pursue someone else's lynch,

especially

when they're

alright

with the new lynch candidate being lynched. Do you think that new player would go "No. We lynch my TR and then lynch you when they flip town"??

[Almost50]

She wants to be better and be respected. But people evidently stop doing that when they figure out her main and that's whats frustrating her

Torque.. let's define the line between 2 separate things: My support for her to play better, and me arguing about her play (or rather the mindset behind it).

It's like when you have respect for Creature trying to post more as scum, but then argue against the logic he is using to form reads in that game.

I don't think I've shown or hinted any disrespect towards Joan's play in this game. Not here in the main thread and not in the channel. I am now treating her as I am treating any of you. I am arguing against the logic not the play style. Got it?

[Almost50]

Did she actually encourage people to vote mastina

i don't recall anything like that

Yes she did.. in Channel 1. Ask Pink Ball. Joan fought hard against a mastina lynch, but finally gave in and decided "if she flip town I will power lynch all 3 of you" (our third being Near, who is NOT in channel 1, so didn't see that). Then I did my self-ISO and realized Elena would be a better5 lynch today because -to me- she is confirmed scum, AND because mastina is Loved today. I said that in the channel and promised a case when I could post in the main thread and Joan said she's OK with that lynch.

THEN.. in a SUBSEQUENT POST she started questioning why we would lynch Elena over mastina, and demanding that we vote mastina and eat rope when she flips green.

Again, ASK PB and he will confirm. I seem to remember her saying something to the same effect here to Wisdom, but I can't be bothered going back to reference it. Or maybe that's what I got out of it because I knew what she's been saying in the channel.

[Almost50]

Like what do I care if her 3rd Party win con was voided in SU2? What does that have to do with this game here? And why should I have cared?

Because we won with town, and therefore weren't a threat.

Again, you're missing the point(s):

1- We were not aware of that. I was TOWN, so I didn't know anything beyond the TOWN win con.
2- I didn't care. Even if I knew you could win with us, my main objective was for the Town to win, not to carry someone else with it.
3- There is no point referencing that now. Who the hell cares what happened in a game that's 2 years old? We are here, and we are trying to decide who is scum. We are not settling old accounts and we are not discussing who did whom wrong in 2017 (or was it 2016?) and how to get even for it.

[Almost50]

Yes, if said player wants to discourage future mistakes of this nature the only way they know how.

Well, I want to discourage future mistakes based on that game where you were scum with Ali & Chara (Wis probably can remind me if the tile).

So, I'm going to lynch you on D1 in every game we play so as to discourage future mistakes of ignoring you on D1 when you've been clearly scum (And with Ali in particular. If you don't remember go back and ISO me in that game as I did say Ali defence of you was indicative of you being scum with them).

[Almost50]

Also, you missed this

As for me being gullible, tell it to someone else. I have at least two games that prove otherwise.

2 games out of how many? but you know what? let's just wait and see how this game ends. Once we see all flips we can decide on that for sure.

[Almost50]

@A50's self ISO

245 and 255 are FoS's? one is "Jet why do you think Robert is town", the other is "Hey SSBF and Elena come talk"

the point about 262 is alright

the second point abut 825. self meta does virtually nothing to me and it's not like naming 3 people that early holds any merit that early anyway, so like, why NOT throw out names of 3 wolves?

844 I dunno, do you think I should magically know your meta. it really isn't up for me to judge

845 What's the last word I posted in channel 48?

1222 is fair

the others i either don't feel strongly about or i got bored of reading wall

245: "How is Robert the towniest,

or even townie at all

?"

This is my way of saying I actually SR him. If I even NULL read him then the bolded doesn't fit. I'd just ask why he was town.

255: Again.. it's my meta (ever since I joined the site.. you can check all my games) to FoS lurkers. Once I said someone is lurking it means they're on my scum leans.

825: Lynch Elena and let's find out.

844: You can either ask someone who does or do a quick meta dive. In general, diffusing TvT doesn't help scum. letting it blow does.

845: How the fuck am I supposed to know? I can ask PB if you like! I explicitly said I only had access to Channels 1 & 5, but chose to spread doubt so as to discourage people from claiming in channels, and it didn't even work.

[Almost50]

Also she is right (for her own stupid reasons, but still) that you and pb should vote mastina

VOTE: Elena

I'll tell you what I know so well
You're scum and you're not acting well
You know you should admit your guilt
Gonna get you now
Gonna get to you
I'm lynching you with inspiration
A-a-a-a-aah a-a-ah a-a-ah a-a-a-a-aah

Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on
You and nobody else
Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on
Just walk this way
Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on
You and nobody else
I wanna take you out of this thread

Just want to lynch you
Just want to lynch you
Lynch you
Just want to lynch you
Just want to lynch you
Lynch you

I won't lynch, I won't lynch
I won't lynch anybody else
I won't lynch, I won't lynch
I won't lynch anybody else
I won't lynch, I won't lynch
I won't lynch anybody else
I won't lynch, I won't lynch
I won't lynch anybody else

[Reapeat till fade]

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost50
Again, will provide more when I can.

@Joan: What did I tell you?

[Almost50]

I told Joan that mastina's going to push me still, and then try to lynch Gamma when she can't lynch me. OMG!

[Almost50]

How come nobody commented on my remark regarding the 2 Millers? How do we have 2 Millers and no Cop/Investigative? It literally mentions an Investigative in their role pms, yet no one is coming forward (or even hinting) having any results on anyone. Unless the investigative was stupid enough to target Toog on N2, and had targeted someone else who died on N1.

Aside from that, I think I've made my case and have been clear about it.

@cerb: Explain why scum!Elena as

my partner

makes mastina Loved when my main lynch target was mastina!
Explain why Town!Elena makes mastina Loved at all, and why I would start the day still pushing mastina.

But

most importantly

where the fuck were you going with the flavor claim BS, and why did you stop pushing it? I'm starting to find your stances and activity a bit suspicious too. You're not doing the work I would expect you to at this stage of the game, and you're not making much sense. Have I been fooled for the 4th time into trusting you when you're scum?? If so, congrats. I concede.

[Almost50]

1) I got your claim from people in my hood, so I had no reason to push you for it.

I know that. I was referring to 2), but since you brought it up, what did my flavor tell you? You seem undecided on me yet, so what good was it, Mr Informed?

2) As far as pushing it from everyone, nobody who I actually want to hear from is engaging with me on the subject.

Yeah, and cerb is likely to succumb to being ignored and will not push for something he believes in mechanically good for the town. *Smirk*

And the reason why scum!elena as your partner makes mastina loved is specifically so you can keep pushing her, and to create distance between your slot and hers.

So, my partner makes my lynch target Loved so I can keep pushing them and they push me and them having the advantage of being Loved I get lynched over them. Got it. Makes sense.

Town!Elena makes mastina loved because people have been wanting to lynch her throughout the game, and she townreads her?

That wasn't exactly my question. Only half of it. The other half is why would I still be pushing my Loved partner and they push me back? And WITH TWO BLOODY MILLERS GUARANTEEING WE HAVE AN INVESTIGATIVE, how the hell do we know if one of us didn't get checked already? We can't both be GFs, can we? So why do we risk lynching the GF (if one existed) and have the other guiltied?

These are not very complicated actions, A50.

Not at all. I agree. It's just that they're complicated for me, because I'm stupid. But for the magnificent cerb, I can see all that coming from scum!him. Yes, cerb would instruct his scum partner to make his main lynch target Loved and/or push his partner and have them push him back to the point of no return. GENIUS.

As for why we have two millers and no investigative claims/results: the obvious assumption/answer is because those abilities are time-gated ones, not starting abilities?

Hmmm.. "You are a Miller starting N1. However, there is no investigative to be "milled" until N3. And to make it more interesting, I will toss in another Miller too." Again, makes perfect sense. How did I miss that?

You may take your seat. Thank you.

P-edit: Oh, there's more from where that came from. Let me get enlightened and get back to you.

[Almost50]

did you not read my previous post

No I didn't. I've just found out I missed now, so I'm going to go read it too.

[Almost50]

OK, the post I missed was the one directed at PB/Torque. The one you are referring to I did read and you said:

I only see this line coming from scum!him if he's bussing one of mastina/elena

And that's exactly what I was responding to.

[Almost50]

@cerb: Let me try again. You said:

I DO have mod provided information that leads me to believe knowledge of everyone's flavor will allow me to construct a scumpool which may act as an additional STRONG reason to suspect some individuals over others.

I don't care about your mechanics, I cared about your flavor.

And now you do gave my flavor claim.

What did it tell you

? Am I more likely or less likely scum? Am I clear? Am I doomed? Did it not matter?? WHAT?

[Almost50]

Well, you called him stupid and you called him a jerk, and then YOU have the audacity to threaten reporting him. Stop trying to manipulate everything and everyone on the site.

[Almost50]

I mean, what's there to report? YOU ARE INCOMPETENT! That's in NO WAY a personal insult/attack!

[Almost50]

He said you can't read. YES, he's right. You keep going on an on repeating the same things (and even re-quoting them) when he has already responded to them.

He says he doesn't care about you 2 previous games and will judge you by your play here as a measure of your competency, and you insist that he reads them and call you competent. I can provide 20 games where you were incompetent and 40 others were you were useless and/or replaced out. So? I mean maybe (MAYBE) you did well in these two games, but it was clearly an exception to the rule.

Now stop distracting us. We want to play this game.

Oh, and PB NEVER brought up you replacing out. He never asked you to nor has he implied it. YOU brought it up and then decided to respond to yourself.

[Almost50]

OK.. so before RP hammers:

1- Once my ongoing games are over I am officially retiring this account.
2- Anyone

Town

on my wagon, please refrain from playing with me (AP) in the future. Do not sign up to games I signed up to first and do not replace into games I'm in. I am specifically addressing mastina and Dunn. If you are Town here do NOT play with me ever again. Elena, Gamma and Torque too, but I feel less aggravated towards them. Elena because I know she is scum, Gamma because he maybe scum and he's brainless anyway, and Torque because I don't have that much of a history with him. It doesn't mean I

want

to play with any of you in the future, but I am not calling you names over this.

[Almost50]

Whatever. OK.

VOTE: Gamma

His vote pm me was either scum indicative or brainless indicative (or both, actually)

[Almost50]

Get on mastina.

No one's gonna vote her. Not herself (obviously), not Elena, not Torque, not Gamma and not Dunn.
I also prefer Elena here, but mastina, Torque & Dunn are guaranteed not to vote her and it takes effort beyond my limits to get Gamma/RP to vote her too.
In short, it's Gamma or No Lynch.

[Almost50]

A50, why would you assume I would hammer you?

I was @L-1 and I had already claimed both my role and my flavor, and we do need a flip anyway. I did all I could already and not everybody agree to my view that Elena is the best lynch.

Gamma is an OK lynch I guess, given that he's been flip flopping on me and Near for no real reason, and his most recent vote on me was opportunistic AF.

However, that's what I said in the Channels: I want Elena lynched. mastina's going to resist that as either alignment. She;s going to try to lynch me still but may try to go Gamma if she can't lynch me.

Gamma flipping Town = Elena + mastina scum duo 100% of the time.

Gamma flipping Scum = Elena scum + mastina most gullible player since ... well, you know who.

[Almost50]

Pretty sure this isn't the hammer, so:
VOTE: Gamma Emerald.

When was the last time mastina miscounted votes and "accidentally" hammered??

[Almost50]

In b4 Gamma is actually town and mastina is out to discredit me but "Oh, well.. I miscounted.. Gamma was town and A50 is scum do let's lynch him tomorrow."

[Almost50]

Chito: Yeah with that hammer optimism in a red flip on Gamma plummets :/

womp womp

so anyway should we ditch our role? All we do tonight is change from being a pgo to a disloyal pgo which, I guess is cool but seems kinda passive for getting an endgame solve. Put faith in the RNG and reroll or...?

Passive PGO is virtually unkillable, so I'd keep it. You'd be IC and guaranteed to make it to endgame. But that's just me.

[Almost50]

*Disloyal PGO

[Almost50]

In a role madness UPick game where every player has a flavor character that has abilities tailored to fit the flavor, the idea of someone thinking they're a VT is dubious.

Not gonna respond to SCUM!mastina, but I will note she's arguing for the sake of argument even if it makes her look more of a REDACTED.

She insists it doesn't make sense for PB to confuse his role when she's explicitly TRing him. In other words "he's town despite the fact he lied about something that nobody would even lie about".

Elena + mastina = scum team.

[Almost50]

even the best scum planners (e.g. me)

Best scum planner my ears. You never have been, never are and never will be even close to being a good player, as either alignment. You are only a good MOD. Stop lying to yourself.

[Almost50]

You also have a problem with comprehension and recapping. I did NOT make a mistake there. OTHERS did. THEY thought they can swap their roles AT THE END OF THE NIGHT. It would have been good FOR SCUM to let them think that and thus leave the thread once a hammer occurred and miss the opportunity to switch their roles if they wanted to.

[Almost50]

I "think" slowly

I very much agree that you're overly slow.

[Almost50]

Also that logic is shit because as you know, Elena and I are in the same channel. This reeks of bullshit that was used to not push Robert.

Except we now have PROOF THAT IT'S POSSIBLE.

[Almost50]

I'm a damn fucking good scum player, a fact you are all well too aware of.

Not when I have identified you as scum on D1 (and in the first half of the day mind you) in TM 2018. You're less than average as BOTH alignments.

[Almost50]

why am i even talking about joan

Because Almost50 wanted you to be.

Yes, it's called the nano technology. I think it, you do it.

[Almost50]

[Almost50]

The perfect investigation target.

Again, thinking too big of yourself. If I was Cop I would not have you in my top 5 checks in this game. If I was a Vif though you'd have been in my top 2 regardless of my read on you because -if you're town- you'd lead the town off a cliff anyway. But keep on dreaming.

[Almost50]

I'm a pretty okay scum planner. That's all.

You, Sir, are more than "pretty okay" but I salute your modesty.

[Almost50]

As for why I'm upset, it's because this garbage had gone on for too long, and I explained it in other games 9that have ended now). I have lost 5 pf my last 6 games, and I was only scum in one of them. Why? because people are too lazy to think for themselves, so they either sheep scum or paranoid town who just think it safer to get rid of me lest I rolled scum. Even those who TR me insist on asking for details of my "gambit plans" beforehand, which renders my whole play useless. I either get lynched or fold my hand preemptively all the time. The only solution now is to turn to my troll account and stop efforting. I don't care whether I get lynched, vigged by town or make bad calls resulting in losing the game when I'm playing with AP, so that's what I intend to do.