Starcraft Mafia: 2 -- Game Over!

[Firebringer]

i am only going to read the last 20 or pages. I haven't been keeping up with this.
a summary of important shit would be nice.

[Firebringer]

i did read varsoons terribad push yesterday on worst/shoshin slot. That shit was toxic.

[Firebringer]

do you ever think back on your pushes during them and are like "hey maybe I should tone it down here I am going a bit over board here"

[Firebringer]

so I guess jjh is confirmed scum here?
Why we still talking?

[Firebringer]

I think mewtaph is scum. Let us discuss that

[Firebringer]

so we gonna do a lynch on mew or what?

[Firebringer]

I have gut townread on pint and no read on anyone else.

I am assuming ur town here because I assume u were the leading force on the jjh yesterday or something.

[Firebringer]

I have gut townread on pint and no read on anyone else.

I am assuming ur town here because I assume u were the leading force on the jjh yesterday or something.

Fire I’m getting increasingly paranoid about everything right now so if you’re Town I’m gonna need you to help me be sure of it.

what exactly u want from me. I am lazy here and I thought I was sort of cleared from suspicion

[Firebringer]

@Firebringer, Varsoon: Pintu is the highest priority read right now. Can you solidify your read on that slot, beyond "gut"?

Can you expand on why pintu is a high priority here? He is the only one that is gut pinging me as town right now.

Alch questioning of me felt gut scummy and you saying only one scum of him and Mew and I don't know why those two can't be scum together beyond role mechanic reasons which aren't convincing to me.

[Firebringer]

Varsoon/Michael Scott/Me/Pintu all are town imo.
Can't we just take this final four and win the game?

Doesn't feel complicated at all here.

[Firebringer]

I would prefer a lynch order of Mewptaph/Alchemist/Prof right now, but I haven't even really dissected Prof to any level of degree.

I just skimmed ISOs of Mew and Alchemist.

[Firebringer]

Mewtaph u seem really relaxed about the whole notion ur being highly suspected here. It is kind of eery.
What is going through ur head right now?

[Firebringer]

Yes, I'd prefer you detail why. Any reasons in addition to mine on why Pintu is town?

I think it's unlikely that two scum would be that inactive on D1.

Why? I have seen that a lot in games.

[Firebringer]

Alchemist is definitely a player that will buss someone if they see them going down.

[Firebringer]

Mewtaph is making a lot of sense right here and its scaring me.

[Firebringer]

Varsoon/Michael Scott/Me/Pintu all are town imo.

Mew are all these lock town for u right now?

[Firebringer]

Man mew has really reversed my read here.
if he is scum this masterful work.

[Firebringer]

yea

[Firebringer]

that seems a pretty obvious deduction to me

[Firebringer]

Yeah sure, "assumption". Look at the wording of 2766 and then the wording on 3076. Also in your compiled list of claims it said "Drone-->Building" so I'm pretty damn sure you thought the fakeclaim was posted by Krazy and you put the name on thread after jjh flipped.

VOTE: Michael Scott

this is conspiracy level thinking here bro

[Firebringer]

that seems a pretty obvious deduction to me

Look at the wording on 3076, he said twice that jjh's fakeclaim was Zerg Hatchery. He said it like it was a fact, not a deduction made by him.

so what if he said it like it was a fact?

It almost assuredly is a fact and i would bet a million dollars that Krazy gave jjh the fake claim "Zerg Hatchery"

[Firebringer]

"OMG HE KNEW THE FAKE CLAIM OF THIS PERSON!"
yeah...the person fake claimed it.

"BUT HE KNEW THAT WAS THE REAL FAKE CLAIM HE GOT LIKE HE ACTUALLY GOT IT"

yeah...he probably did get it. I doubt that was really just made up by jjh.

I don't even understand what kind of shit ur going for here.

[Firebringer]

that seems a pretty obvious deduction to me

Look at the wording on 3076, he said twice that jjh's fakeclaim was Zerg Hatchery. He said it like it was a fact, not a deduction made by him.

so what if he said it like it was a fact?

It almost assuredly is a fact and i would bet a million dollars that Krazy gave jjh the fake claim "Zerg Hatchery"

Even if it's 99.999999999% possible that that's his fakeclaim name, it's not a fact if you're town.

jjh said he was a drone and he even softclaimed drone on D1 at EoD, so why go with Zerg Hatchery when jjh was using "drone" as a key word?

anyone who plays sc2 would make these leaps of deduction. this is not a slip. this is about someone who knew how the game works.

drones turn into zerg hatcheries. LIke do you play the game?

[Firebringer]

Drones turn into Zerg Hatcheries.
They turn into buildings that are the bases for games. The terran equivalent is a command center which JJh was.

He fake claimed Drone apparently that could build shit later. Kind of implied Hatchery to an extent if i am not mistaken if he never even said that.

[Firebringer]

Go on then-

I was a drone who had to choose a place to build a hatchery N1, and I wanted #7 but apparently was put in #8. Can't move after that.

Now I'm a building and a bulletproof one at that.


So yeah I can't really say I figured out Varsoon's role with just my role PM proficiency. I have crumbed pretty much everything in my role.



Can we not popcorn it? I want Brass next

He says hatchery in this god damn post.

[Firebringer]

the only type of hatchery is a Zerg Hatchery you dingus.

[Firebringer]

this whole slip would make more sense if michael scott said jjh fake claim was something like an evolution chamber or something.

[Firebringer]

this whole "slip" would make more sense if michael scott said jjh fake claim was something like an evolution chamber or something.

need to put quotes around slip

[Firebringer]

pintu explain to me what is a more reasonable assumption to make here.

someone knows the flavor well enough to make a reasonable assumption and assume it is a fact when posting.
or that person gives out information we aren't privy to by not differentiating between assumptions vs factual statements.

[Firebringer]

I don't know man. I just don't see ur position being a reasonable assumption here. It is such a stretch it is like those people who see illuminati propoganda in disney movies.

[Firebringer]

if anything it seems to me that jjh fucked up his fake claim here because theres nothing about an scv in that role pm. Not sure why a fake claim would have a mention of a drone if the real role doesn't have a scv. but i am done talking about this.

[Firebringer]

But he *was* a Zerg Hatchery.

And he *was* a Zerg Drone too. C'mon give me a break you guys are giving me less credit that I deserve, I'm not being daft am I????

No, you are being *super* daft. He claimed drone which turns into a hatchery. Volxen plays the game regularly. There's absolutely NO problem in calling his fakeclaim "Zerg Hatchery" as opposed to "Zerg Drone", especially when Hatchery is the final form or whatever.

his argument is that your certainty with that being his fake claim means that you are informed of his actual fake claim. meaning you are scum. Because jjh didn't explicitly say his fake claim was zerg hatchery he said drone turns into hatchery.

This is dumb though. I feel dumber for talking about it.

[Firebringer]

if anything it seems to me that jjh fucked up his fake claim here because theres nothing about an scv in that role pm. Not sure why a fake claim would have a mention of a drone if the real role doesn't have a scv. but i am done talking about this.

Sorry, what's an scv?

SCV is the unit that builds a command center
SCV is an equivalent to drone.

[Firebringer]

ur fine man.

[Firebringer]

I can hammer later. Want to wait for alch and prof to comment on some stuff

[Firebringer]

my work here is done.
hopefully i get nked

[Firebringer]

gw einstein

[Firebringer]

Alch why r u so clearly looking for ways to poke holes in peoples townieness that it is blatant to me and everyone else?

[Firebringer]

Alchemist is definitely a player that will buss someone if they see them going down.

Fire if you’re still unsure about me consider that I didn’t vote JJ when it was pretty clear they were getting lynched.

I thought u weren't sure about me?

[Firebringer]

alch i think i am good at tone reading. and none of ur tone feels of paranoia

[Firebringer]

I don't think i have ever been more sure in my life of ur alignment being scum in any game except this one.

[Firebringer]

I am not sure on kills but I bet Almsot Chara is def a kill for a person they knew they couldn't mislynch.

[Firebringer]

Like i have like 3 things in which just by tone Alchemist is pinging me as scum.
Then you have nonsensical things such as his holes he is poking into peoples reads.

Just like I am covered in Alchemist scum feels from head to toe. I couldn't be anymore sure of it unless i had a pm in my inbox telling me so.

[Firebringer]

Fire, you’re seriously weirding me out right now. If you ISO’d me like you said you did you should know by now this is my Towngame.

really? cause from my stance u have weirded me out a lot more.

theres a detachment in ur approach to me.
word usage is impersonal while you hint at a personal reason i should be townreading u.
your back and forth on me while you try to go between scumreading me and townreading me has no sincerity in it.

i don't know man. you tell me what is wrong here.

[Firebringer]

Was Alchemist on my team back in that Excalibur game?
If so, he's probably scum here.

he wasn't in that game i think ur thinking of dunn maybe?

[Firebringer]

Come on man, r u really going to tell me that u would have a detached tone with me when we have been buds since like 2015.

[Firebringer]

yeah ur tone is reflected by ur word choice here. how else would i tone read? ur not a being devoid of emotion.
and we have a history. so that means i should see some personal connection in the posts.

like what do you think is specifically off about me besides the fact u don't understand how i am getting these thoughts.

[Firebringer]

I have reached out to you specifically and put you in the top 3 players that should be able to read me. How is that not a personal connection to you? Trying to read me for specific word usage is like when people say “to be honest” is a scumtell; no, it’s just personal diction.

well i am not using specific words as a scum tell friendo.
i am talking about ur approach to me in generals because I can't be as precise with these tonal feelings i get from reading ur posts.

they just don't got that alch!town feel i think.

What you worried about with regards to me though?

[Firebringer]

I wouldn't take any posting after hammer talk from the flipped to mean much. WE CAN DISSECT IT TOMORROW TOGETHER EINSTEIN

[Firebringer]

If you’re not going by specific words then explain the bolded. This is the main thing that’s worrying me rigt now - that you should know how to read me better than this and you aren’t.

Like if i went through ur posts i could probably pick out specific phrases that are off or word choices that don't seem to align but like i am not going to go deep into the rabbit hole. They are general feelings that I can describe pretty well.

I am a little less convinced right now of my scumread rn. MMMMEEEEHHHHHHHHH.

U know even though we have a long history but i have never thought of myself as a master reader of u tbh. Why do you think i am?

[Firebringer]

You are going to be flipped by the mod. Who will show us all the PM he gave you.
It will match exactly what you got when you entered the game.

[Firebringer]

You are going to be flipped by the mod. Who will show us all the PM he gave you.
It will match exactly what you got when you entered the game.

How did I do?

[Firebringer]

You are going to be flipped by the mod. Who will show us all the PM he gave you.
It will match exactly what you got when you entered the game.

How did I do?

Awful

idk I think i am going to be proven right

[Firebringer]

I don't understand why you guys didn't lynch Alchemist today.

He was obviously trying to create rifts in peoples townreads to open more mislynch opportunities yesterday.

But damn I got fooled hard by Pintus obfuscating stupid townie play.

[Firebringer]

But damn I got fooled hard by Pintus obfuscating stupid townie play.

I really should have figured out at some point that he was just making reasons up to scumread MS but beneath it all was just scummy mindset when I misread it as a dumb tunneling townie.

He was doing like a similar kind of play with Alch except more brazen with it and seemed more ridiculous to begin with.

[Firebringer]

don't text and drive. or get sidetracked from scum. Ur gonna have a bad time.