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[Slaxx]

I’m here to save this game and probably piss people off in the process sup

[Slaxx]

I had a town read on Persuvil so that means Creature is town
I think RB is probably town just based on the RVS wagon so whoever replaced him congrats

[Slaxx]

Jibril, whatever that is

[Slaxx]

Is it worth it spamming the thread catching up all the way from page 1 to here?

Yeah I’m on mobile at work can’t use the computer

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VOTE: Stan1ey

We got one

[Slaxx]

Weird combination of passive arbiter/scavenger type staying on the edge of discussion without really taking any stances or producing original thoughts and content.

[Slaxx]

Oh, I planned to get there by myself.

Let me help you, you don’t have to bare this burden alone

[Slaxx]

Oh god Ruby tunneled this slot

I think that’s town though? Been engaging with people besides Thespio in a good way.

[Slaxx]

Bittersweet ISO not looking great but not as AI as Stan.

[Slaxx]

Or can be town for the Stanley vote.

[Slaxx]

I'm perfectly fine with him getting lynched

Why?

he annoys me lol

Suadade post and that ISO is almost a scumclaim, fine with a lynch here as well.

[Slaxx]

Okay... Creature/Ruby/Or/Jibril town
Mumble TTT maybe town
Suadade Bittersweet need more pressure
Stan1ey scum

Whoever I missed is null

[Slaxx]

Slaxx replaces Thespio!

oh jesus fuck

LMFAO you are town here aren’t you

[Slaxx]

dude this is not cool

You can think I’m scum all you want I know my replacement doesn’t change your read

But how do you feel in regards to Stan1ey? That iso is like textbook treading lightly.

[Slaxx]

Bit of an overreaction don't you think?

Yeah but it’s probably AI.

Scum Ruby doesn’t acknowledge pushing a lynch just got harder knowing I’ll flip town.

[Slaxx]

Wait why did you initially suspect this slot Ruby?

I figured it was because they parked their vote on mislynch bait but I don’t see you articulating the initial reason you were so confident, only things that happened after.

[Slaxx]

All three y’all voting me

All none y’all trying to sort me

[Slaxx]

Mumble/TTTT not scum together

Two scum don’t park their vote on a wagon that close together and both show up in thread to blankly pontificate about tangential stuff

[Slaxx]

Rules

Miscellaneous

• Use of Outside of Game Information is strictly prohibited. This includes alignment reads off of almost anything not a product of posts in thread, such as reports, online status or forum signature changes.

Okay well I believe you believe whatever you’re saying but I don’t know what it is so I can’t tell you why it’s wrong.

Humor me and help me lynch Stan1ey, you should have no problem with that yes?

[Slaxx]

Slaxx- I'll get to you at some point
I don't even remember why I voted your slot tbh

That’s odd because you said something to the effect of oh my god Ruby is right

[Slaxx]

wait... Ruby Red is right.

VOTE: Thespio

Boop

How did you know she was right if you didn’t know why you voted?

[Slaxx]

@Ruby - how confident are you?

Seems pretty confident.

Idk if they’re correct, but they sure are confident.

Slaxx is coming off a little scummy to me, though. I use the ploy they’re using when I’m scum. I guess I do it as town, too, though, but not many players do it as town. The swing to a compromise wagon when you’re getting tunneled.

Ruby specifically listed him as a scumread. I’m curious to see how it plays out.

Also, way to not take a stance and say a lot?

[Slaxx]

wait... Ruby Red is right.

VOTE: Thespio

Boop

How did you know she was right if you didn’t know why you voted?

well I knew why I voted then
I just don't remember now
no really I just went through Thespio's ISO and I'm not sure what I saw before
still seems like a good place to vote though

Why are you dancing around giving a clear reason and looking to Ruby for one?

[Slaxx]

@Ruby - how confident are you?

Seems pretty confident.

Idk if they’re correct, but they sure are confident.

Slaxx is coming off a little scummy to me, though. I use the ploy they’re using when I’m scum. I guess I do it as town, too, though, but not many players do it as town. The swing to a compromise wagon when you’re getting tunneled.

Ruby specifically listed him as a scumread. I’m curious to see how it plays out.

Also, way to not take a stance and say a lot?

I don’t have a strong stance right now, but I did take a stance, so i don’t understand why you said “not take a stance”

He’s a little scummy, I do this as scum, I also do it as town, not many players do it as town.

Wouldn’t the next logical step be to ascertain if I am one to do that as town? Seems like you’re leaving options open.

So I think Ruby and Mumble are probably town here. Not for sure on TTTT. FL I don’t like.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx, you’re coming off more like scum pushing townies flaws moreso than town calling out potential scum.

Not saying that’s what it is, but that’s what’s coming off.

Want to give an example instead of just generalizing?

[Slaxx]

How am I supposed to sort people if they aren’t giving me a reason for their vote?
What about that question is criticism and not Socratic?

[Slaxx]

“I don’t remember” is an excuse a seven year old gives when they knock over a vase and their parents ask who did it.

Also, I would have let up on TTTT if he had just explained why the vote was kept there, but instead he tried to get an out from ruby, who I think is town, by asking her how confident she was in the lynch. Looks like setting someone up.

[Slaxx]

Hey there, TTTT! I see you’re voting me! Why?

I don’t remember!

But you seemed really confident at the time!

Oh I was! Ruby will remember, she can explain it! Tell em how confident you are Ruby!


I mean... come on.

[Slaxx]

“I don’t remember” is an excuse a seven year old gives when they knock over a vase and their parents ask who did it.

Also, I would have let up on TTTT if he had just explained why the vote was kept there, but instead he tried to get an out from ruby, who I think is town, by asking her how confident she was in the lynch. Looks like setting someone up.

Exactly.

Why would scum state they don’t remember rather than just make something up?

I had that thought too, but the shifting of the focus back onto Ruby as I was pressuring him for the vote reason felt really fucking slimey, especially with a Ruby townread.

[Slaxx]

But I do feel it was honest. Scum can be honest too, I guess, but I feel like scum just doesn’t say that.

It was honest either way, yes.

But you’re wrong about the “just”.

He didn’t “just” say that, he also shifted the focus back on to Ruby, thus minimalizing his responsibility for the vote. That’s my point, and that’s something scum totally would do.

“Lol idk” might be a slight towntell

“Lol idk, Ruby you’re confident right?” Is definitely freaking not.

[Slaxx]

Mehhhh

I don’t like the too obvious argument. I don’t think it’s a scummy one, I just don’t agree with it.

[Slaxx]

Meh. I can’t ask you to look past my replacement but I can’t really defend them either, so here we are.

If I do get rope,I don’t want Ruby taking heat for the lynch though, particularly now that she’s cased it out. Look for the vultures circling around it.

[Slaxx]

Can we check some more Thespio town games to see if it’s a pattern of that?

thank you FL
you have restored my memory!

I skimmed some of his ISOs from recent games (he's never been scum on MS btw)
and they looked NOTHING like this game

Lol.... okay. That doesn’t look remotely revisionist.

[Slaxx]

I'm done and my conclusion is nothing.

That's how I feel after most days at work, but surely you have reads?

[Slaxx]

Sure, the problem is that I feel like my number of townreads is higher than the estimate number of town slots in this game.

Choose a townread with she shittiest avatar and knock them out of the club, bam, you got yourself a reads list.

[Slaxx]

like never ever

fundamentally opposed

Where did he say they were useless?

[Slaxx]

I do not like posts about confidence on D1. How confident can anyone who is town be?

And by asking this, you make me feel you're town reading them, so how is asking them if they're confident

when they have absolutely no info to go off of at all

a good thing.

the philosophy seems inherent here

I guess. I read it more as making someone commit to a read like TTTT did with you pre-flip.

[Slaxx]

I guess. I read it more as making someone commit to a read like TTTT did with you pre-flip.

what

D1s are NOT useless. BUT saying you're confident on D1 is not sensible. I scum read confidence on D1 because they're usually the only people in place to not be paranoid about anyone.

i am confident on day one when i have reasons that warrant confidence

this is one of those scenarios.

I don't even think you realize how hard people are trying to set you up right now. I'm being patient with your tunneling but the fact you're in this completely different frame of mind is baffling. Maybe I just wasn't clear.

To me, I read Joges was implying that TTTT was trying to edge you in to being unreasonably confident for early game. I don't agree with his piece about no information, but I agree with what he was saying.

[Slaxx]

Because it feels like a trap question.

Yes, thank you.

[Slaxx]

why do you townread slaxx

Okay... Creature/Ruby/Or/Jibril town
Mumble TTT maybe town
Suadade Bittersweet need more pressure
Stan1ey scum

Whoever I missed is null

Because I'm town, and scum wouldn't forget a town player like this. They'd be sure to come up with something.

...

I hate this game

Why is that townread worthy?

[Slaxx]

okay

i don't disagree that TTTT could be scum but his question has nothing to do with my degree of confidence

even if he were scum i would be surprised if his plan specifically with that question was to set me up to have false confidence or something. i just don't think that's something wolves do

I fucking hate that "its too blatant/obvious to be scum" schtick

You should know that Ruby. I don't think its scummy but is is steeped so fucking deep in fallacy.

[Slaxx]

i guarantee you slaxx probably feels guilty to some degree about this entire situation

i guarantee you if there's daychat there's a post in the scum pt like that

i would, at least.

I'll be sure to point out the irony of this post-game.

[Slaxx]

@Ruby, was it not implied in "Wolves don't do that"

[Slaxx]

It's not fun being on the other end of an aggressive player's drill

No regrets or apologies to my victims though.

[Slaxx]

By the way Ruby, the shit you listed about not asking you for your reasoning or trying to sort your push...the stuff you thought would be townie for Thespio...I did all that before you listed it.

And I don't freaking get why you can't maybe wrap your head around the fact that the slot was just disinterested.

[Slaxx]

Okay, maybe we can get somewhere with this, probably not but what the hell.

What's your read on me, in isolation, completely separate of Thespio? I'm not asking you to commit to that, I'm not going to dick you around and try to use that read against you. I'm pretty much resigned to the fact you're not letting up off this slot. But I'm trying to get you to think in a different way because this problem isn't going to go away.

[Slaxx]

Oh god it might just be better to lynch me today

I don't like the company I'm in anymore.

[Slaxx]

UNVOTE:

Fucking

God dammit.

[Slaxx]

I have like three people townreading me and voting stan for empty reasons which means stan is being set up for today and I am tomorrow's mislynch.

I think. Am I being paranoid? I don't think I am.

[Slaxx]

Ironically Ruby its not you that is making me uneasy.

[Slaxx]

Frustrated, but not uneasy.

[Slaxx]

Stan's ISO is so scummy but the three people that joined the wagon were FL, Joges, and Jibril and I had a townread on the jibril slot but the blatant reluctance to give a reason is ew. I don't like that, any of that.

[Slaxx]

Stan's ISO is so scummy but the three people that joined the wagon were FL, Joges, and Jibril and I had a townread on the jibril slot but the blatant reluctance to give a reason is ew. I don't like that, any of that.

You joined my wagon on Stan.

Oh you were on it before

Meh

FL and Jib weren't.

[Slaxx]

joges and jib i am both fairly strongly townreading

Joges I am

So, I'm doing an unconventional thing here. I recently did it in another game and it worked out so why not try again.

You've seen my town play. Do you trust my reads as town?

[Slaxx]

sometimes

I'm relatively confident TTTT and FL are both scum here.

I'm also relatively confident Joges, You, Creature are town.

I'm also fairly sure that I'm being set up for tomorrow, and your tunneling is being weaponized.

Our best move here is to lynch me so you can get over whatever the fuck you're on, because I've played scum with you and played town against you and am probably as confident on you being town as you are coming off about me being scum. But after you have your coming to god moment or whatever, I need you to lynch TTTT and FL.

[Slaxx]

Awesome.

Hey everyone over here woooooooo I have a fedora on woooooooo do I happen to be wearing it or am I maybe not one of you oh noooo wooooo who ever knows in these types of things please vote me

[Slaxx]

can't wait for you to get townread for this

Oh little oh me trying to gambit? Why no, I'm a townie town towner just living here in the towniest town! By george i never done a single thing wrong, I promise to the good Lord in Heaven I havn't!

[Slaxx]

I'm relatively confident TTTT and FL are both scum here.

I expected town!you would SR me here so that's kind of disappointing.

I thought it was fairly obvious that’s been my position for a second, or st the very least I was leaning in to that.

[Slaxx]

What TTTT left out of that post was there aren’t any scum games to compare Thespio’s play to. So this meta read is all about how he’s playing differently than his town meta, not to his scum meta. Given that it’s a binary I understand why people might confound the two being the same, but they really aren’t.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx is just playing a political game. Not sure if I think it’s AI.

Tulsi Gabbard is the best democrat candidate.

Don’t you start

[Slaxx]

I'm relatively confident TTTT and FL are both scum here.

This is new.

Idk how TTTT flips town if Ruby flips town here.

FL is really doing a wonderful job fencesitting/testing waters on my eagon but his reason for voting Stan was both solid and original so I’m not as confident there.

[Slaxx]

my money's on TTTT scum on the slaxx wagon

I’d take that bet.

[Slaxx]

What TTTT left out of that post was there aren’t any scum games to compare Thespio’s play to.

not on-site

This case is getting profoundly more complex and opaque for me to even attempt to defend against. I still don’t think you’re scum here but I think you just crossed into being ridiculous.

[Slaxx]

Sorry TTTT.

[Slaxx]

i crossed into being ridiculous...

by stating a fact.

By stating a fact I’m pretty sure hasn’t been disclosed before?

I just read through your ISO... where do you reference games offsite anywhere in your posts?

[Slaxx]

I mean I genuinely could be missing it like I missed TTTTs line but I don’t see it.

[Slaxx]

What TTTT left out of that post was there aren’t any scum games to compare Thespio’s play to.

not on-site

Nooooo

You clearly were alluding to something here

[Slaxx]

no, i haven't brought it up before. i don't see what's ridiculous about it.

whatever, this isn't a meaningful discussion. i'm just dropping this here.

...

You don’t see what’s ridiculous about making a case on why Thespio’s not town based on town games and then pages later allude to the fact there are off site scum games? And then expect me to drop it when I try to follow that thread?

[Slaxx]

also if you read Ruby more closely you'll see he looked into Thespio's soul
I can't be the only one who realizes this, right?

Are you trying to actually say something without saying it here or are you blatantly pontificating on tangential issues?

[Slaxx]

also if you read Ruby more closely you'll see he looked into Thespio's soul
I can't be the only one who realizes this, right?

Are you trying to actually say something without saying it here or are you blatantly pontificating on tangential issues?

Pontificating lol
Slaxxx may be scum!

Do tell.

[Slaxx]

Where did I call your posts scummy?

“Blatant Pontification” was a joke between TTTT from earlier in the thread. He said it was a beautiful euphemism for shitposting so I used it again. Explain why accusing someone of blatant pontification is scummy though. How does that indicate my alignment to you?

[Slaxx]

Also you said you’d give reads a while back, any new ones since then besides a scumread on the most viable wagon today?

Also if you think I’m scum shouldn’t your vote be on me? I’m nowhere near L-1.

[Slaxx]

It’s okay. I had a stroke while reading TTTTs posts (not the good kind) and bald face lied about what he said so I understand.

I’ll be interested in your analysis.

[Slaxx]

Still wondering why I haven’t been lynched?

[Slaxx]

is that some Blatant Pontificating of your own or are you asking me a question

Girllllllll you know that’s some of my home cooked blatant pontificating with a side of cardamom for that extra KICK

[Slaxx]

I’m literally asking to be lynched.

I mean, I’m gonna screen everyone who votes me, gotta have secure borders and all.

But I’m the best lynch.

I want the rope
I. Want. The. Rope.

Yeah I want the rope!

(Sing it to we got the beat it makes sense)

[Slaxx]

Weiss that posts sounds weird AF because he was clearly not telling the truth there.

We lynch me, Ruby is like of my god Slaxx was right because he has a history of being right and wow it’s all coming together

And then you lynch TTTT and go from there.

[Slaxx]

Weiss case on Stan was initially from me that he was staying on the periphery of engagement and rotating around wagons the way you see newer or transparent scum do

Then FL felt like he had TMI in regards to my alignment by basically calling Ruby’s case garbage

[Slaxx]

Actually now that I think about it that’s kind of town from FL

I think I just don’t like the grandiose persona

No offense, I have one too.

[Slaxx]

Weiss that posts sounds weird AF because he was clearly not telling the truth there.

We lynch me, Ruby is like of my god Slaxx was right because he has a history of being right and wow it’s all coming together

And then you lynch TTTT and go from there.

you know regardless of how you flip this game i'm going to be memeing on you in every single game we play from now on for some of the stuff you've said so far

you know that, right slaxx?

I look forward to it.

One of the memes better be an apology. Ya poo.

[Slaxx]

Also if you are scum here I look like a fucking idiot but I’m not tryna date any of y’all and I don’t get paychecks from MS so I guess I don’t care

Ego might be hurt a bit but I abandoned fragile masculinity back in my early 20s so I’ll be fine

[Slaxx]

did fl call my case garbage?

I think the first 3 points are just stating things that happened, and could be coming from town Thesp.

I think it’s a solid case, however.

4 especially, but I don’t necessarily think it makes him scum.

That is drastically different, but I have games where I’m just not able to put stuff together, and games where I have reads early and can make a case. Can we check some more Thespio town games to see if it’s a pattern of that?

Nah I was saying FL vote Stan for calling your case garbage.

[Slaxx]

FL never called your case garbage.

[Slaxx]

If he replaced out as VT that’s more fuel he’s town here I’d say.

Also I didn’t like how the wagon formed on him while I was still getting a lot of flak, it really felt like I was being saved for tomorrow. It’s like when you’re out of your element making a big purchase and ten minutes into the car ride on the way home you realize you’ve been had.

[Slaxx]

Really think TTTT flips scum here literally 6-7 times out of 10, which is pretty high for me. I don’t exaggerate on probabilities like that.

But the best way to get that to happen is to get me lynched so Ruby can direct the fierceness towards him tomorrow.

[Slaxx]

Is there any rule against self-voting sitewide?

I can't find one in Sheep's rules.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: slaxx

[Slaxx]

Sorry if anyone thinks its a bad play but I think its the right one.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: slaxx

I don't really get why you aren't voting stanley here? why would you vote someone whose alignment you know over someone whose alignment you don't?

yeah its super scummy vote me

[Slaxx]

So am I deciding to compromise between Slaxx and Stanley?

Stanley is the LAL lynch that clears up or and joges votes for tomorrow
Slaxx sorts RR v. Slaxx and deals with the person who self-voted with 7 hours on clock

I will compromise on either of those over a NL but I'm not sure which is better/less worse at a glance

How does my flip sort RR?

[Slaxx]

How does my flip sort RR?

sorry, phrasing was wrong. it {resolves} your 1v1, in the sense that RR will have to focus on someone else tomorrow. Sometimes it can be bad to let 1v1s fester since they bog down the thread and create the risk of scum theater or town tunneling. You flipping green does not confred RR and that was not my intended implication, although I do think you flipping red would make RR a likely green

Got ya

Well you just answered your question in the post to me before this with this

I don't think Stanley is scum anymore because there were three really bad votes on his wagon. Even though his profile is scummy, it was a red flag. I think the plan is to lynch him today, and then let ruby tunnel me tomorrow, then lynch ruby the following day. That's what I would do as scum here.

So if we lynch me here and I stress that Ruby is town, maybe we can avoid two of those MLs.

[Slaxx]

His last 20 posts or so are active lurking and his vote on stan and weird reasons for town-reading me and then null reading me fit into that narrative of what I think is going on, so I think he could be scum.

[Slaxx]

Sorry if anyone thinks its a bad play but I think its the right one.

Expand.

Literally explained it in #754

[Slaxx]

I would unvote myself to vote FL but I'm not lynching Stanley because it really feels like the trajectory i mentioned above was where we were headed.

[Slaxx]

I don't think Stanley is scum anymore because there were three really bad votes on his wagon. Even though his profile is scummy, it was a red flag. I think the plan is to lynch him today, and then let ruby tunnel me tomorrow, then lynch ruby the following day. That's what I would do as scum here.

nobody has ever mislynched me for pushing a town wagon and nobody ever will

Yeah good luck then.

[Slaxx]

There are six hours left...
and Slaxx is self-voting...
and RR claimed to know Slaxx's predecessor IRL and looked into his fucking soul...
and the mod's rules prohibit bringing outside info into the game or talking about reasons for replace-outs...
and I can't really be the only one who sees this...
and it's day1 so we take this lynch

Yeah you just can't shade me without making sure RR is in every post

You're proving my point

[Slaxx]

Yeah you just can't shade me without making sure RR is in every post

well I asked them to go check Thespio's meta
and it was crickets
so I'll give 'em the lazy reason for voting you

thats a great copout

[Slaxx]

Can we FL FL? (Flash Lynch Flavor Leaf)

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Slaxx]

What wagon though?

^FL

Do it

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Slaxx

Not for sure if I buy it but back on me

Gogogogo

[Slaxx]

Ruby Goon

Ruby Town

Ruby Town

Still not sure that Slaxx push is correct but I'm starting to think that in the 1v1 Ruby might be town at least

idk I'm going in circles, I still want Alonzo but it doesn't look like I'm getting him

Ruby is stan town?

Lol I was Lolwagons in that game, and pushed the slot D2.

Ruby is definitely town here which is why I want out.

[Slaxx]

do you feel like you play differently as slaxx as you do on lolwagons? because you seem kinda more passive and wifomy here than you do as lolwagons, whereas as lolwagons you seem a lot more aggressive

You caught me

[Slaxx]

Claim Vengeful Townie

[Slaxx]

Let me shoot TTTT

[Slaxx]

We could like try to atleast get a lynch.

slaxx or stan creature?

Ugh, I'd rather neither of them.

What do I have to do to get people to lynch me

Creature please

[Slaxx]

Stan vote me so we don’t no lynch

[Slaxx]

TWO MORE COME ON COME ON

[Slaxx]

Can someone fill me in before it happens that’d be gr8 thx

I get to shoot someone

TTTT come on man. Don’t say anymore.

[Slaxx]

Fucking mafia rolrblockey

[Slaxx]

^not a cop claim btw

wait... did he just claim Mafia Roleblocker?

[Slaxx]

It’s my fault for misreading the slot on replace in

[Slaxx]

Nice job Creature and co!

[Slaxx]

It was two goons and watcher Vs all that.

Idk maybe without Jailkeeper it would be even seems townsided

[Slaxx]

Masons are early game clears and potential late game clears, JK could generate clears, and rolecop could catch fake claims. Add in a swingy vig and woah bro.

[Slaxx]

Back in my day it was a tracker, bodyguard, and Vigilante vs 2 goons and a toleblocker and we liked it that way dammit

*shakes cane*

[Slaxx]

Masons are early game clears and potential late game clears, JK could generate clears, and rolecop could catch fake claims. Add in a swingy vig and woah bro.

JK and rolecop feel like they're meant to counterclaim each other. Vig can also be a nuisance.

Vig/JK is common to make vig a little more townsided I think.

Rolecop Vs Watcher would probably be the showdown.