Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Allomancer]

Gentleman Allomancer, I remember distantly how fond we were of each other a long time ago before we were forced onto separate paths dictated by the circumstances of our families. My parents did not approve of your presence in my life up to this point, but now there is nothing stopping me from walking my own path, so I look forward to us reconnecting without any fear or anxiety.

<3

[Allomancer]

Here's the problem with the strategy of NL for first dance: while we get an IC, scum also gets a NK before we lynch anyone. This means we would potentially lose two strong townreads before they have much of a chance to read the game. By having at least one lynch D1 we get their updated reads following the flip before they die. I think the second lynch D1 is partially unnecessary, but we definitely want to lynch at least one.

Thus, I approve of the strategy of wealth ladies claiming and only accepting offers from gentlemen who are widely townread. A claim actually doesn't help scum at all with their NK, because by the time they get a kill, coins don't matter anymore anyway.

[Allomancer]

Vedith is seeming kinda scummy here.

[Allomancer]

{Dannflor}
{Nancy Drew, Taly}
{Krazy}
{Vedith}
{FakeGod}

No one else has posted enough to be read.

[Allomancer]

I'm pretty good. I'm Allomancer.

[Allomancer]

Krazy is already a scumread.

How so, love?

[Allomancer]

I agree that high coin ladies should claim since I did it last game

But I vehemently deny that skipping first dance is a good idea in any stretch

I agree

Dann is a scumread too btw

I disagree

[Allomancer]

oh no anka might be scum here what do i do

[Allomancer]

RC and ASAP are acronyms. duh.

[Allomancer]

also i just got a pagetop and i didnt realize it ^
haha

[Allomancer]

I'm really confused how suddenly coins matter this game when most people didn't care at all last game despite me ramming it down peoples throats all game

because last game we messed it up with fb/tw and pb/clem pairing before we had a chance to properly setup spec.
Also i cared <3

[Allomancer]

These are the gentlemen I will accept a dance from:
RadiantCowbells
Vedith
Krazy

Everyone else, sorry but I am not interested.

wow insulting

[Allomancer]

Vedith is seeming kinda scummy here.

This is scummy

i suggest you read the first try of this game if you think me not explaining reads is scummy

[Allomancer]

oh no anka might be scum here what do i do

Because she scumread you or other reasons?

when did she scumread me?

[Allomancer]

btw this goes from most willing to accept. if rc sends me a request right now I will jump into his arms.

DO NOT accept anything right now. We are strategizing here.

[Allomancer]

Speedpairing is not good for town. It just isn't. The longer we wait to pair, the more info we have. Info is always good.

[Allomancer]

Vedith is seeming kinda scummy here.

This is scummy

Why is that scummy?

because that isn't how allomancer posts.

were you not paying attention last game? I am the master of no-context reads!

[Allomancer]

I think I finally have my first townread

Congratulations firebringer

well I don't like this townread. take it back

towny

[Allomancer]

wasn't bolded, mod won't answer

[Allomancer]

also wasn't a question

[Allomancer]

i really really really dont like vedith.

[Allomancer]

no

[Allomancer]

im feeling better about

vedith

at the moemnt

ank

, can you outline your thoughts specifically on

krazy's

plan being an idea that comes from scum?

allo

is my only scumread at the moment, im looking at

nancy

and

dann

for sorting

+1 to

fire/ali/ank

but still thinking here

Because he didn’t state a reason for his Vedith scumread?

Because

Allo's

been both flippant and non-concrete in his posts so far.

The unexplained vote tier; with

FakeGod

as a read and

Dann

without really engaging with him at all

The non-committal

Vedith

is scummy thought that was practically a sheeped read since Page 1

I don't get his plan about

"lynching some and then seeing what happens"

for First Dance WITH Lady's claiming coin value... that just sounds like telling scum how to position themselves in the game

ISOing him, it doesn't read as town.

What are your thoughts on

Vedith

and anyone stating that he isn't scum?

Jokes about scumreading the mod are pretty common. I don't see how you think that's a scum move.

[Allomancer]

im feeling better about

vedith

at the moemnt

ank

, can you outline your thoughts specifically on

krazy's

plan being an idea that comes from scum?

allo

is my only scumread at the moment, im looking at

nancy

and

dann

for sorting

+1 to

fire/ali/ank

but still thinking here

Because he didn’t state a reason for his Vedith scumread?

Because

Allo's

been both flippant and non-concrete in his posts so far.

The unexplained vote tier; with

FakeGod

as a read and

Dann

without really engaging with him at all

The non-committal

Vedith

is scummy thought that was practically a sheeped read since Page 1

I don't get his plan about

"lynching some and then seeing what happens"

for First Dance WITH Lady's claiming coin value... that just sounds like telling scum how to position themselves in the game

ISOing him, it doesn't read as town.

What are your thoughts on

Vedith

and anyone stating that he isn't scum?

Jokes about scumreading the mod are pretty common. I don't see how you think that's a scum move.

[Allomancer]

The unexplained vote tier; with FakeGod as a read and Dann without really engaging with him at all

ohh I forgot this too.

allo I don't think would put fake god in a readset as town. That is like bizzaro world here if he is town and is doing that.

ok
1) it was a joke
2) it was also purposeful. I had no strong scumreads. If I had stuck with 4 rows it would've looked like Dann was strong scum and Krazy was null-scum. That wasn't the case, so I added a bottom row to show that i had not strong scumreads. Then I put fakegod in it for a joke

[Allomancer]

caught up to 350.
firebringer is vi town
nancy is null

[Allomancer]

Still eating lunch and finishing up some laundry. I have a few responses to Gamma and Ank's concerns which I can go into later, but one thought did strike me I thought I'd drop out--if we lynch scum in pre-dance (with the one gent forced out), then we can play out first dance regularly.

what are the chances of that happening though? scum can always pair with each other if it seems one of them will be forced out

[Allomancer]

/me yawns
this is boring right now

ur boring granddaughter

dude its literally just the same people posting like the game atm feels extremely uneventful tho idunno what I'm really expecting but right now I'm just bored with it

i get it.
I care less this round than last round because I already felt we had the game in a good spot and now i'm frustrated we have to start over. It feels like we did all that work for nothing and i don't wanna waste my time again.

[Allomancer]

I am in the 90% certainty on Nancy and Allo being scum here. Someone try to change my mind!

I’m not sure about Allo but but your reads are probably wrong like they were last game, when you scumread duck who seemed really townie to me, remember that?

guess what, you can't bring up last round since its not a completed and fakegod told us not to talk about it.

He never said that. You read tw wrong and you’re doing the same thing to me in this game.

I am sorry do you have the worsts flip from last game? No? Don't? Ohh I guess than you need to shut the hell up then.

fakegod said we can talk about it. Even though we don't have results, the game is over so we aren't compromising anything. It's kinda like at the end of a game after the hammer but before the mod posts the flip. All the dead players come in and comment even though results aren't posted yet.

[Allomancer]

@Fakegod probably a dumb question but can we talk about the first run of this game?

@Fakegod probably a dumb question but can we talk about the first run of this game?

Sure.

Exactly, Fire isn’t reading the damn game.

I have airpods in I can't hear you atm sry

shut up about the airpods ali and actually help us here.

[Allomancer]

Jokes about scumreading the mod are pretty common. I don't see how you think that's a scum move.

its a scum move when done by allo

you literally played one not-even-a-full-game game with me and you assume you know everything about me.

[Allomancer]

Jokes about scumreading the mod are pretty common. I don't see how you think that's a scum move.

Is this the only point I make about you that is worth commenting on?

How about you explain your

Dann/Vedith

read.

I only argue against flaws. The rest of your points were not bad. The thing you need to remember most is that these were very early reads. I change my reads often, and we didn't have much info at the point.

[Allomancer]

No, because THIS is actually relevant.

its like not relevant at all to this game.

you can make a meta case on someone using that game but it isn't strong in any manner for one we don't know the alignments of anyone in that game because no one flipped so making meta arguments would only be useful for pointing out things you believe are NAI from that game and comparing it to another, and it would actually still fail because the thigs you point you say are NAI could be AI if you point out two games as a meta basis for this being a NAI and one of those games doesn't match the game you picked. So at best you would be using NAI meta tell. At worst you would be using bad information.

Lastly because no flips occurred saying someones reads were bad from the last round makes no sense because no flips were announced. You can't know if my reads were bad if there are no flips. You can continually say I was wrong but that's like saying I am wrong about who wins the super bowl in 2020. You and I both don't know so you saying I am wrong is stupid, and I am not bringing up superbowl 2020 to prove a point. So you should shut up or you look dumb. Choose one miss Nancy.

Like fuck Nancy I could have been scum last round and you don't know, you could have been scum and I don't know. All this shit is dumb.

you literally made a case against me because my posts in this game aren't like last game.

[Allomancer]

You can continually say I was wrong but that's like saying I am wrong about who wins the super bowl in 2020. You and I both don't know so you saying I am wrong is stupid, and I am not bringing up superbowl 2020 to prove a point.

If you say that the Cleveland Browns are going to win the 2020 superbowl, I feel like it's not stupid to say that you're wrong.

[Allomancer]

you literally made a case against me because my posts in this game aren't like last game.

nope I didn't, saying you don't play like yourself. I read multiple games of yours during last game man.
I had to like cut myself while doing it because the pain of the knife was more pleasant than that, but i did that.

you need to cut out the personal attacks. Can you literally make a single point against me without complaining about how bad my posts are?

[Allomancer]

complaining about how bad my writing is accomplishes nothing if you can't form a read on me from it

[Allomancer]

you literally made a case against me because my posts in this game aren't like last game.

nope I didn't, saying you don't play like yourself. I read multiple games of yours during last game man.
I had to like cut myself while doing it because the pain of the knife was more pleasant than that, but i did that.

also where are you reading this from. I literally have two completed games on site, and one of them was over 2 years ago before I took a long break from mafia and the site in general.

[Allomancer]

that wasn't a joke tho

[Allomancer]

thing about my meta.

I've played a game with you and I've read a game with you in it. You have a very distinctive style

Allomancer, do you still scum read Vedith, and if so would you share reasoning?

yes, i do. at this point we are almost 500 posts in and vedith has yet to take the game seriously. he is just complaining about not having a partner and advocating for lynches without sharing his reads. he is putting in no effort whatsoever.

[Allomancer]

he is just complaining about not having a partner and advocating for lynches without sharing his reads. he is putting in no effort whatsoever.

I would assume advocating for lynches is sharing scum reads

generally advocating for lynch == very strong scumreads. that gives us two people he has very strong scumreads on with no explanation, and no reads on anyone else

[Allomancer]

and no reads on anyone else

I have a lot of reads. \o/
Do you want a rainbow read?

if you have so many, why have we not been enlightened?

[Allomancer]

dannflor, about your signature: were you scum?

[Allomancer]

if you have so many, why have we not been enlightened?

Because I'm not going to the dance yet!

he's been shitposting all day and this is what we get. Either share your reads or die. It's that simple. Town doesn't benefit

at all

from you being withholding.

[Allomancer]

thoughts on this allo?

complaining about how bad my writing is accomplishes nothing if you can't form a read on me from it

I have a read on you, I was just venting my frustration your writing has on my psyche when trying to play the game.
You can be insulted about it if you like, doesn't change that is my feelings of it and it isn't against you personally. You can acknowledge that I don't like your content and not take it personally. Which imo is the better way to approach this since taking it personal doesn't really achieve anything but I can understand feeling insulted because people say you have bad posts. Just not something I think is worth getting upset over since the problem is with me not with you, do your own thing bud. Why care what I think or feel about your posts.

It doesn't reflect your character.

nothing needs to be said. I won't waste your time

[Allomancer]

Either share your reads or die. It's that simple.

Comments like this make me not want to!

you'd rather die than share your reads?

[Allomancer]

alright. Ladies, please don't pair with Vedith, ever. If you do, I fully intend to lynch the both of you. Even if Vedith is town (which i highly doubt) he is completely useless and is someone who needs to die. However, I don't want to waste a lynch on him and risk lynching a town alongside. He should be the person left out for the dance.

[Allomancer]

you literally made a case against me because my posts in this game aren't like last game.

nope I didn't, saying you don't play like yourself. I read multiple games of yours during last game man.
I had to like cut myself while doing it because the pain of the knife was more pleasant than that, but i did that.

also where are you reading this from. I literally have two completed games on site, and one of them was over 2 years ago before I took a long break from mafia and the site in general.

[Allomancer]

So here it is!

Nancy

Allo

Gamma

Alisae

Dr Worm

Pinky

Firebringer

Krazy

Ank

Taly

Dannflor

how can you have any sort of a read on gamma at this point?

[Allomancer]

also how is nancy locktown?

[Allomancer]

and how is fb scum?

[Allomancer]

also how is nancy locktown?

Who the fuck uses the term locktown in 2019?
It's just top of my list and I made it pretty \o/

explaining would be nice instead of deflecting
also how is nancy top of your list anyway?

[Allomancer]

you like him for scumreading you?

[Allomancer]

explaining would be nice instead of deflecting
also how is nancy top of your list anyway?

Because I read her as town. I also see the people pushing, and other than Ali, I don't like it!

that's not an explanation. "why do you townread nancy?" "because i read her as town"

[Allomancer]

krazy i liked you better last game. You were mixing in reads with your setup spec. this game has just been setup spec and i need some reads from you

[Allomancer]

I like vedith, he is a cool dude.

I can't stay mad at you!

posts like this are a total waste of time and do nothing but clog the thread. Maybe spend your time writing the explanations I requested instead.

[Allomancer]

that's not an explanation. "why do you townread nancy?" "because i read her as town"

I wouldn't put Nancy on top of my list if I didn't town read her.

that's exactly my point. I can infer from her being top of your list that you townread her. My question, which you still fail to answer, is why?

[Allomancer]

you should share

It won't look good for you though!
Are you sure?

you already said you wanna lynch me dude

pedit: what Allo said

I thought you were scumreading him?

scumread doesn't automatically mean they are always wrong...

[Allomancer]

scumread doesn't automatically mean they are always wrong...

Yes it does!

this is just false.

[Allomancer]

this is just false.

You only think that because you scum read me.

this logic is so flawed i don't even know where to start. I guess I'll just drop this here:

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

[Allomancer]

If we do this let the wealthy ones pick first for wider selection.

I agree that refraining from pairing until we've settled the top 4 wealthiest women/top 4 town guys would probably be preferable

so when are our ladies gonna claim coins?

[Allomancer]

nancy always posts a ton. i think its nai

[Allomancer]

im not having another game die by replacement.

[Allomancer]

I don't think less than a 24 hour push can qualify as a death tunnel but whatever you want to call it that helps your victim complex.

i don't think you're helping here

[Allomancer]

ARE YOU STAYING
OR ARE YOU LEAVE
ITS A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION

I am not discussing OOG things here.

It’s a very simple answer.

Being replaced is not an OOG thing. We need to know.

[Allomancer]

Okay I think Nancy's replacement is more likely to come from scum than town. Hear me out on this.
So I come from a heavy background of face-to-face mafia. And when I play that, if I'm town and someone accuses me of being mafia, my attitude is more "I'm not mafia, so I can prove this." I don't really get frustrated, maybe a bit annoyed, but not frustrated. But when I'm scum and someone accuses me, I'm more like, "oh shit, they figured me out, I might as well give up now" and then I get frustrated with the game because it seems hopeless.
That being said, Nancy's attitude about replacement obviously falls into the latter category, which leads me to believe she's scum. A town person I don't think would get quite as frustrated; they would be more willing to prove that they're town.

[Allomancer]

Taly, do you have to bold player names? It's kind of jarring and makes it harder to read your posts fluently.

[Allomancer]

KRAZY ALLOWMANSTER and FREEBRANGER are TOWN-TOWN IN MY MIND AND HEART

Explain this, and find better material than

Nancy

Tbh, this doesn't need much explaining. I've admitted myself that i think fb is town, and krazy is a null-read to me.

[Allomancer]

get it
cuz Taly bolds names
and ylat bolds everything but the name

oh i got it. it just wasn't funny

[Allomancer]

Hey Firebringer

How do you think I caught you in the last dance game

Have you given it any thoughts?

holy fuck is this civ mafia 2.0

I am going to ignore you because you are being an ass imo.

someone being an ass doesn't mean their questions aren't valid. I engaged with you, for fuck's sake!

[Allomancer]

where i live weed is illegal. im sad

[Allomancer]

There I read it and I townread her

Does that make you feel any differently

can you elaborate as to why?

[Allomancer]

I feel like everyone is ignoring me rn which concerns me

we have bigger fish to fry

[Allomancer]

There I read it and I townread her

Does that make you feel any differently

Why would it make me feel differently if all you say is that you townread it without discussing anything about it?

You've already answered that question

You case on her makes me feel more sure she's town rather than less sure

how does that work?

[Allomancer]

i dont think so

[Allomancer]

My wolfread are ankamiue and Pvturists btw

Both are rather tentative I'm more focused on poeing town which I'm going to largely keep my townreads to myself for now

urist is town here

[Allomancer]

I'm not at liberty to divulge this information etc etc

What in the world

[Allomancer]

hit the back on your browser and should all be still there. Unless you didn't hit preview before posting.

Who hits preview?

[Allomancer]

hit the back on your browser and should all be still there. Unless you didn't hit preview before posting.

So, for what I've seen from the gentlemen:
PvtUrist town
Krazy town
RadiantCowbells town
Moment null
Allomancer scum
Dannflor town
DoubtingThomas who?
Dr Worm lol
Vedith town

From the ladies:
Ankamius null
Firebringer town
Alisae null
Nancy Drew 39 town
TheBrie who?
Gamma Emerald town
Pink Ball lol
Taly town

A lot of townreads so I'm happy for that, specially 'cause RC is town and he won't fuck my brains out

See, Urist, your tone here is what I expect from town!you. I think you're null scumreading me 'cause I defended Nancy and you're scumreading her? 'Cause I don't see any reason to scumread this adorable lady

These reads are so bad they don't even deserve a response

[Allomancer]

Why are we pairing already? I thought we agreed to have the rich women claim first‽

[Allomancer]

fasf

What the hell does that mean

He just wanted the pagetop

[Allomancer]

Wait what? We gave vedith the eight coins? How dumb are yall?

[Allomancer]

He town tho

lol

[Allomancer]

dr worm is def scum here

[Allomancer]

If that's your description of my ISO this game, you're not going to listen.

you're just now figuring this out?

[Allomancer]

why did uh they already become pairs? i didnt even come into the thread yet it's been like 2 days max lol

your guess is as good as mine

[Allomancer]

read on ank is changing, may want to pair with her again

[Allomancer]

lol DR WORM is kinda funny

you disgust me

[Allomancer]

hey vedith, I am going to leave ur ass at the start of tomorrow if u don't get ur act together.

pls do. vedith and worm are both either scum or policy lynches that really need to happen for us to have any hope of understanding what's going on

[Allomancer]

I WILL TRY TO DO THIS WITHOUT CAPS BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO KNOW I"M SIRIOUS!!

Amen! pls do this

You’re saying scum never townreads their scumbuddies?

Obviously, only two of you can be scum here, max.

WHY 2MAX?? it"s NOT OBVIOUSLY TO DR WORM why NANY??

if NAN had read DR WORM"S ISO for truth before saying WORM is scum NAN would realise how WORM town read both other players in NAN"S SCUMLIST!!
why didn't NAN say only two of "Fire Worm Allo" could be scum when NAN first posted scum-list in post 969??
why now "OBVIOUS" that only two of Fire, Worm, Allo "can be scum"??

rip "without caps"

[Allomancer]

It's funny that you say Pink's reads are incredibly bad... yet you haven't really elaborated much on yours since 159

The reads are bad because they are dumb reads, not because they have dumb reasoning. I couldn't care less about the reasoning. Also if you expect me to explain my reads you're in for a long game.

Also; I don't know why you're injecting yourself into my question toward Dr. Worm in 740 when I posed a question to him about his reads.

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realize we can't post reads and comment on other conversations. I was under the impression this thread was for the benefit of the entire town, but I guess I was wrong.

But since you want to talk about yours, how about you go in depth on your Krazy null-read? He's been very active, so I don't know why you're on the fence with him.

I don't really know how to sort him; now that you say this, I'll go check his ISO again and form a read. Also 740 was quite a bit ago.

One final thing... My questions and assessments in 726 and 314 were not rhetorical... While you have 'replied' to them, I don't think you've really addressed any of their points.

314 was toward Nancy, not me. According to your own logic I shouldn't be inserting myself there. I'll go check 726 again, I must've missed it originally. We are all human.

[Allomancer]

Okay I think Nancy's replacement is more likely to come from scum than town. Hear me out on this.
So I come from a heavy background of face-to-face mafia. And when I play that, if I'm town and someone accuses me of being mafia, my attitude is more "I'm not mafia, so I can prove this." I don't really get frustrated, maybe a bit annoyed, but not frustrated. But when I'm scum and someone accuses me, I'm more like, "oh shit, they figured me out, I might as well give up now" and then I get frustrated with the game because it seems hopeless.
That being said, Nancy's attitude about replacement obviously falls into the latter category, which leads me to believe she's scum. A town person I don't think would get quite as frustrated; they would be more willing to prove that they're town.

1)

You're comparing forum mafia to face-to-face mafia...
Your argument here is already fragile.

I get it, but it's the best I have. That's where most of my experience comes from, so I have to use what I have.

2)

You stating "town would be more willing to prove they're town" is both false and ignores people's individual playstyle.

I think it's perfectly logical.

3)

Why are you continuing the

"

Nancy

is scum"

narrative and not talking about potential partners right now?

Because we should be sorting people before making matches, which is a strategy literally EVERYONE seems to be ignoring and is really pissing me off.

[Allomancer]

KRAZY - much EFFORT to SETUP spec to the POINT it LOOKS FAKE and SCUM is scared to appear LIKE THIS

That's just playstyle though. More analytical players will be more likely to setup spec, whereas social players will focus on reads. You can't form a read on someone because of that unless they completely ignore one side of the equation.

[Allomancer]

hey vedith, I am going to leave ur ass at the start of tomorrow if u don't get ur act together.

pls do. vedith and worm are both either scum or policy lynches that really need to happen for us to have any hope of understanding what's going on

See this is lazy. If you want to push for policy lynches fine but you can’t honestly tell me you’re getting anything alignment indicative out of worm’s posting

Then again, I can’t put myself through continuing to read his posts either

To add to this, I will readily leave Dr Worm behind in the pre-dance because I don’t think his slot will ever be sortable or helpful even if he’s town. However, scum reading him just so you can add him to your lists of scum reads pings me, particularly when I already think you have lazy reads (see Vedith)

Gut read =/= lazy read

[Allomancer]

As for my read on worm: the weird posting style is antitown but not scum. However, we have repeatedly told him this and he refuses to change it, just stating "I'm trying to get better" without changing anything. It's gotten to the point where it feels contrived rather than stylistic. What does town have to gain from that? Okay, maybe I'm wrong, maybe he is just a troll, but then he just deserves to be taught the lesson that actions have consequences, and a lynch is the best way to do that.

[Allomancer]

checked krazy's iso, he's town

[Allomancer]

What strategy are people ignoring? Everyone is giving reads and updating them as the game continues, and only ONE match has been made yet. So I don't see a cause for concern right now.

yes, but plenty of other people have been asking ladies to dance or are already planning who they want to pair with

[Allomancer]

He isn’t really making an effort to really sort anyone.

that's not true. I have posted plenty of reads. Just because I haven't used any major readslists like last game doesn't mean I'm not sorting people.

Last game, the readslists were mainly because I saw the thread late and it was easier for me to do one omnibus readslist after I got caught up. From then on out, it was easier to just update the existing readslist.

This game, it's a bit different. My catch-up readslist had so few people it was basically useless. From then on out when people came in it was easier to just post my reads individually. That doesn't mean the reads are lazy though.

[Allomancer]

lets start with

Krazy

them, because I have several reasons to think he's town and I'm legit ready to pair with him.

like i've been urging, please wait to actually pair. We have plenty of time and we should intend to make use of it.

[Allomancer]

taly is town btw incase i didn't say that yet.

[Allomancer]

Aside from worm and Vedith, who do you scum read? Nancy?

@Allomancer

yes. also urist may be scum in this one, but that's gonna take some thought. In Treestump Express I was so confident he was scum and he turned out to be town. If that's his towngame, this game makes him seem scum because the playstyle is

drastically

different.

[Allomancer]

Ank do u still think Nancy is scum. because I do.

ank u disappoint me. are u that apathetic rn?

Do you have anything else to contribute - I mean, besides - your myopic deathtunnel on me?

I think 1162 makes the answer a resounding NO.

[Allomancer]

Aside from worm and Vedith, who do you scum read? Nancy?

@Allomancer

yes. also urist may be scum in this one, but that's gonna take some thought. In Treestump Express I was so confident he was scum and he turned out to be town. If that's his towngame, this game makes him seem scum because the playstyle is

drastically

different.

also just wanna update, it's "whom". "

whom

do you scum read?"

[Allomancer]

Nancy I am not responding to you until you apologize for your earlier behavior.

pls don't waste our time like this. you're not helping town by doing shit like this.

[Allomancer]

lets start with

Krazy

them, because I have several reasons to think he's town and I'm legit ready to pair with him.

Do it! You're both town

We shouldn’t rush these pairings like RC said. An obvtown couple has the best chance of being the NK. I think we need to come up with a plan first, not just yolopairing. Make sense?

also like I said. do i get no credit here?

[Allomancer]

Nancy I am not responding to you until you apologize for your earlier behavior.

pls don't waste our time like this. you're not helping town by doing shit like this.

helping town is overrated.

it's shit like this that's gonna cost us the game.

[Allomancer]

also like I said. do i get no credit here?

why are you concerned with getting credit

because i'm an egomaniac

[Allomancer]

you barely post anything useful. that's the problem. we need people actually scumhunting to win this thing

[Allomancer]

you barely post anything useful. that's the problem. we need people actually scumhunting to win this thing

yeah we need more people posting ur gr8 scumhunting.

at least i'm actively trying to read people

[Allomancer]

Nancy says I am scum but I am also going to cost us the game supposedly because I am town unless she thinks I am scum going to cost town the game which doesn't make sense. Could the read on me be anymore whatever mood fits her at anytime? Not sure.

Don't worry you're town. You'll still cost us the game, but you're town.

[Allomancer]

doubtingthomas is town
not liking thebrie atm, but we'll see

[Allomancer]

No, you're just crying because you have realised now that people don't always play the way you want them to.

how so?

[Allomancer]

That black is black and white is white.

Yes, that's how colors work. Even in mafia, it wouldn't make sense for the town to be scum and the scum to be town though.
Overall I think he's just arrogant in thinking that town will play like Y and Scum play like X.[/quote]
Well, if we cant say that Y is towny and X is scummy how are we supposed to read anyone?

[Allomancer]

anka what's your read on me?

[Allomancer]

dr worm is def scum here

I like this post but I'd like you to expand on your reasoning

As for my read on worm: the weird posting style is antitown but not scum. However, we have repeatedly told him this and he refuses to change it, just stating "I'm trying to get better" without changing anything. It's gotten to the point where it feels contrived rather than stylistic. What does town have to gain from that? Okay, maybe I'm wrong, maybe he is just a troll, but then he just deserves to be taught the lesson that actions have consequences, and a lynch is the best way to do that.

[Allomancer]

I'd prefer to not go into too much detail on my top gents if I can

well why not?

[Allomancer]

like i've been urging, please wait to actually pair. We have plenty of time and we should intend to make use of it.

I mean we're nearing page 60, what do you want to wait for? 75?

we are literally less than 36 hours into the game. We have 8 days. Do the math.

[Allomancer]

I'm having trouble reading Alisae this round. Just wanted to keep you guys in the loop.

[Allomancer]

Alpha; Big leader or Big boss,

not Big dumbass.

What???

wrt the bolded?

My definition of "alpha" (a term that's wildly misused, unfortunately) is someone who cares and gets shit done, but isn't a dumbass in sense of show offs or put downs (put downs=less "resource" to work with than otherwise, hence dumbass).

I'll take a bit of time to post my Dann reads, it's similiar to what happened in Mirco 848 against TW, I'll be needing to putting my thoughts into words,
which is something I'm less than adapt at.

alpha males aren't real. the guy who did the research on the wolves (not even humans, btw) later did more research and found that he was originally wrong and alphas and betas don't exist. It was literally debunked by its creator

[Allomancer]

rc seems kinda scummy.

[Allomancer]

rc seems kinda scummy.

In what way?

in the not-towny kinda way

[Allomancer]

I’m kinda not feeling anything anymore

at least my baseline isn’t there anymore

me_irl

[Allomancer]

moment seems towny

[Allomancer]

Allo scummy

!obvtown != obvscum

[Allomancer]

Basically I just don't want vedith lolhammering someone dance 1 AFTER we spend 8 days hammering out an optimized lynch order because that would just be so tilting I [do not want to threaten replacing out, but my WIM would plummet in such a scenario]

amen

[Allomancer]

thebrie is null-town

[Allomancer]

That was supposed to say "gj guys" but tbh I'm kinda whatever on pairing rn. I've got 6 coins though so I'll be a little choosy.

who are you townreading rn of the gents?

[Allomancer]

PvtUrist, Krazy, RadiantCowbells, Moment, Dannflor, DoubtingThomas, Dr Worm, Vedith, they're pretty cute

why was i left out? i'm kinda insulted...

[Allomancer]

That's why it pissed me off to no end that Firebringer rolled the 8 coin lady and pissed it away like he did

There's way too much talk between you and Krazy trying to divert worthless shade towards this situation.
If Krazy was given the 8 coins for example I would think it's on the wrong person. Or dann, bit that wouldn't happen.
Both of you're entire arguments here are leading you to try and push Fire as town and me as Scum and acting like you are worried.
My point is, whoever gets the coin you will never have all town satisfied. You're just unhappy about it because it's not someone you can guilt into siding with you at this stage.

Only part I agree with you 2 is that I shouldn't be voting at all until at a confident stage.

No, the part that I'm most worried about is you randomly voting of whoever the fuck you want and singlehandedly losing town the game.

If you're not going to actually read what we are talking about on favor of taking potshots at me constantly when we have a genuine reason to think that you are an actual threat to town

as either alignment

, then you can frankly shut your mouth or go do something else productive in the thread other than push bullshit on me and meme useless shit all game.

so even if vedith is town, he is a threat to town because of the 8 coins? and how did this not apply to me last game?

[Allomancer]

I'm ignoring you for the rest of the game

no. this doesn't help anyone in any way at any time, ever

[Allomancer]

did i mention thomas is town?

[Allomancer]

Reminder that deadline is February 14th to my understanding.

You can't convince me this wasn't intentional.

[Allomancer]

That's why it pissed me off to no end that Firebringer rolled the 8 coin lady and pissed it away like he did

There's way too much talk between you and Krazy trying to divert worthless shade towards this situation.
If Krazy was given the 8 coins for example I would think it's on the wrong person. Or dann, bit that wouldn't happen.
Both of you're entire arguments here are leading you to try and push Fire as town and me as Scum and acting like you are worried.
My point is, whoever gets the coin you will never have all town satisfied. You're just unhappy about it because it's not someone you can guilt into siding with you at this stage.

Only part I agree with you 2 is that I shouldn't be voting at all until at a confident stage.

No, the part that I'm most worried about is you randomly voting of whoever the fuck you want and singlehandedly losing town the game.

If you're not going to actually read what we are talking about on favor of taking potshots at me constantly when we have a genuine reason to think that you are an actual threat to town

as either alignment

, then you can frankly shut your mouth or go do something else productive in the thread other than push bullshit on me and meme useless shit all game.

so even if vedith is town, he is a threat to town because of the 8 coins? and how did this not apply to me last game?

I can't answer this.

why not? You didn't think of it last time or you just don't want to?

[Allomancer]

@Mod alt slip, quoting here

i'm so sorry. I meant to quote the entire post but I accidently had Alisae's writing selected so it only quoted that.

[Allomancer]

Tbf worm is probably town

I wouldn't count on it. Assuming worm is a secret alt, I'm willing to bet they are doing this on purpose. It's WIFOM: scum normally wouldn't risk it, so that makes it obvtown, which means it's a viable scum strategy, which makes it no longer obvtown.

[Allomancer]

I think I liked Allo for pushing me for reads but I don't actually have a lot of other reasons to townread him

His snippy catchup today pinged me just very slightly given I asked him 7 minutes after to expand on DT and he was already gone

Maybe worm goes up and then I play around with my Pvt read

that's how i do it. As for why, gutread. just seems town.

[Allomancer]

PvtUrist
RadiantCowbells
Allomancer
DoubtingThomas
Alisae
Gamma Emerald
Pink Ball

I'm kinda thinking this list holds all three scum

well me, pvt, and dt are all town so there's that.

[Allomancer]

i went back through ali's iso. i know i mentioned having a mixed read on her before, but now I honestly can't see how she is town.

[Allomancer]

the only ladies i townread are ank, fb, and taly and none of them want to pair with me

[Allomancer]

@Allo I asked you twice about your reads on Brie and Moment, but instead of replying me directly, you just posted much later that Moment is townie and that Brie is probtown. Why are you ignoring me? Or worse, why are you not reading the thread?

I skim in my catchup and only directly reply to things that stick out to me. When I saw your post, I realize I didn't have a read on Brie and Moment not because they hadn't posted enough for me to read them, but because they hadn't posted enough for me to really notice them. With how much posting is going on in this game, someone who only posts now and then is easy to miss. So I made a kind of mental note to myself to pay more attention to their posts, and it was when I saw posts from them later that I started forming a read becuase I was specifically looking out for posts from them.

[Allomancer]

I was already null-scumreading Ali, now I'm scumreading SS

[Allomancer]

Allo

, there are multiple people you've said you want to partner with but they wouldn't accept

Why haven't you tried to mend that? And in the same breath, why are you wanting to wait close to deadline before pairs occur?

I don't know how to mend that. Also, I think the longer we have to form reads, the better. Not quickpairing is the same reason you don't quicklynch in mafia.

[Allomancer]

What is the pace you currently think Dance 1 should go at?

Unless we get a red flip in the pre-dance exclusion, I think the first lynch should happen within 12 hours of daybreak.

no no no no no why

[Allomancer]

jesus you guys post too much

[Allomancer]

Can everyone in their next post rank the ladies and gentlemen from towniest to least? Give reasons for top 4 at least

Gents

Allo
Thomas
Moment
Urist
Krazy
Dann
Worm
Vedith
RC

Ladies

Taly
fb
Ank
TheBrie
PB
GE
SS
ND

[Allomancer]

I deeply encourage anyone in my list(s) to talk to me.

sup

[Allomancer]

TheBrie

is your strongest townread, non-paired lady outside of myself. How come you haven't engaged with her?

I have nothing to say to her. Only you, Ank, and fb are townreads. Brie, PB, and GE are null-reads; i wasn't really sure about the order.

[Allomancer]

Shoot Worm, Nancy, and S_S

[Allomancer]

Shoot: Allo, Allo, Allo, Allo, Allo, moment

that's more than 3. also moment is town.

[Allomancer]

Okay looks like people are pairing. I better hurry up. I know Taly won't pair with me, so I'm going with my second highest townread unpaired lady.

TheBrie, dance with me?

[Allomancer]

This makes sense. I guess I just find the progression from frustration that people are yolo-pairing and repeated assertions that people should wait as long as possible to pair, to suddenly asking a null read to dance without really interacting with her or doing anything else to be very jarring.

We're halfway through predance. It's time to pair

[Allomancer]

By the way, now that I'm paired I can freely claim my coinage: I'm the 5 coin lady

you gave dr worm 5 coins? oh fuck no oh god

[Allomancer]

By the way, now that I'm paired I can freely claim my coinage: I'm the 5 coin lady

you gave dr worm 5 coins? oh fuck no oh god

What do you even care if you're not townreading me

why do i care about who gets the most votes? I dunno, because if you give lots of votes to scum we lose?

[Allomancer]

@Allo,

which gent would you choose to leave behind?

well vedith, worm and rc are my top scumreads but they are all paired. So i guess you, because you're the top unpaired scumgent.

[Allomancer]

Why do you care if you're not townreading me. You answered something I didn't ask

i literally just told you why i care.

[Allomancer]

Why do you care if you're not townreading me. You answered something I didn't ask

i literally just told you why i care.

And I literally just told you that your answer is not what I asked. If you're not townreading me, pairing with someone you're scumreading me should be good from your perspective.

i still care about who gets a lot of coins. It doesn't matter whether you're scum or not, the problem is that worm has 5 coins.

[Allomancer]

@Allo,

at what point did I move from your top town read to a scum read? And why?

you're not a scumread, you're a nullread. All my scumreads are paired though.

[Allomancer]

you're not a scumread, you're a nullread. All my scumreads are paired though.

Okay... When did I move from top town read to null read?

you were only top town read at the beginning before most people had posted. As people townier than you started posting, you moved town.

[Allomancer]

you were only top town read at the beginning before most people had posted. As people townier than you started posting, you moved town.

Why would this make someone null rather than town, just normal town as others?
You get 3

because he was only town with regards to being townier than the others. It was actually null, but placed in perspective, I made him town to distinguish.

[Allomancer]

{Dannflor}
{Nancy Drew, Taly}
{Krazy}
{Vedith}
{FakeGod}

No one else has posted enough to be read.

Dann is a scumread too btw

I disagree

The unexplained vote tier; with FakeGod as a read and Dann without really engaging with him at all

ohh I forgot this too.

allo I don't think would put fake god in a readset as town. That is like bizzaro world here if he is town and is doing that.

ok
1) it was a joke
2) it was also purposeful. I had no strong scumreads. If I had stuck with 4 rows it would've looked like Dann was strong scum and Krazy was null-scum. That wasn't the case, so I added a bottom row to show that i had not strong scumreads. Then I put fakegod in it for a joke

because he was only town with regards to being townier than the others. It was actually null, but placed in perspective, I made him town to distinguish.

this is

not

adding up

taht was a mistake. 159 I meant to say Vedith instead of Dann. If you look, it makes no sense for me to say "Dann was strong scum". What happened was since i've never played with either of them, I forgot the names and put Dann instead because you said Dann in the post I responded to.

[Allomancer]

The bold was broken, so I wouldn't have noticed him asking if no one had commented. I'm not going. I feel like Allo or I would end up leaving. I couldn't trust him, and I feel as if he might be townreading me as a pocketing attempt. Just cause I'm surprised to be someone's second highest town lady. though he said unpaired, so I suppose it's reasonable. And it does feel like being desperate to dance with someone.

Allo, if you really want to dance with me, you'll have to talk to me first. Give me flowers, or explain why you town and scum read certain people. And be more careful when referring to players.

Ok, so, Brie, how are you today? I'm kind of offended, to be honest. To think I would walk out on a lady? Nonsense! Seriously, though if I were scum who was trying to pocket you, why would I walk out on you? One scum life is more valuable than a town life; it wouldn't be worth it for a scum to die just to take out a townie, unless it was a very powerful townie, which, given your post count, I assume you aren't.

Anyway, not to be rude, but Taly and the three paired ladies are all higher on my townlist then you. You're null-town at the moment.

Spoiler: Also these are for you

[Allomancer]

I'll explain further. I think I'd most likely being the one walking out, because I think other people could talk me into it with you, and I really don't have a strong town read on you. But a paranoid little bit of me thinks maybe you're town who secretly thinks I might be scum, and will end up walking out on me. Which is stupid, and you should be offended. But still, I think there's a chance of us both being town and ending up scum reading the other and leaving. So really I just want to interact a bit more so that I think I understand you better, and that's less likely to happen.

Back at the beginning you though Vedith was scum. Do you still, and why do you have the read you do?
Aslo, thoughts on Krazy. Dis you think Taly should have paired with him?

Thanks for the flowers. They're lovely.

For the record, I don't think you're likely to be scum, and your most recent posts have made you seem townier. Vedith I originally scumread because he was putting effort into posting without really contributing to the game. He's gotten better, but his posts still seem frivolous, and his original unwillingness to share his reads still bothers me.
Krazy is null, maybe null-town at best. However, I support his pairing with Taly. I like strong town pairing with null reads because it means we are less likely to lose two strong town at intermission. Additionally, Taly seems like the best player in the game in terms of social analysis, and Krazy is the best at setup strategy, so I think they could work well together.

And of course, you are welcome for the flowers.

[Allomancer]

inb4 Allo and SS both flip town

Wtf is this supposed to mean?

it's pretty clear what it means. Urist thinks both me and you are town. I disagree.

[Allomancer]

I mean I got my reads because I read people and thought they were town or scum lol

explain which reads i should explain/ a lot of it is just pure tone/gut/vibe because unfortunately i havent put in too much time into this game

i know what a shame having a life

Mmm, having a life is terrible. (not)
I go off gut reads myself, probably too much with some of these players, but usually I can at least explain some of the feeling.

Hey! I do the same thing. Maybe we could dance or something...

[Allomancer]

Allo, why should I go with you over Moment?

because my reads are the best, and i'm town, and i gave you flowers.

[Allomancer]

Should we start making ship names for the couples? Like Ankowbells for example

DOES EVERYBIDY agree DR WORM should be in CHARGE of this?? YES??? OK!!!

Vedith - Firebringer
BRANGERDITH

RadiantCowbells - Ankamius
ANKLEBALLS

Krazy - Taly
TRAZLY

Dannflor - Nancy Drew 39
NANCERFLOOR

Dr Worm - Pink Ball
TRUELOVE4EVER

This is the kind of shitposting I subscribed for

This is the kind of shitposting I did not subscribe for.

[Allomancer]

@Mod: V/LA till Saturday

[Allomancer]

Town Cases ~ Part 1: Why is Nancy

Town

?

I've been up and down Nancy's ISO. I've read and reread our PT together at least a few times now. There is not a universe where you could convince me Nancy is scum.

To begin with, there have been a couple times when Nancy has gotten emotional during conflicts with another player that demonstrate her alignment.

EXHIBIT A: FIREBRANGER

If you don't remember, Nancy had a conflict early in the game that resulted in her nearly replacing out. Largely, it was a conflict that sparked between her and Firebringer.

It started in post #294.

allomancer is scum this game btw

Why?

nancy don't make me suspect u this early

Why? Because I want to know why you think Allo is scum?

It continues and reaches a climax in posts #561 and #564. Phrases of interest bolded for clarity:

I don’t know if I even want to get picked anymore. I feel like I’m being scumreading without any basis and every single attempt I’ve made to ge clarity on this, seems to get viewed as some kind of scumclaim. I’m seriously contemplating replacing out at this point and they can toture my replacement instead. :/

I think you should stay and we should probably PT together like a pair of masons! \o/

It’s better for town, that I just bow out now anyway and if no one picks me

, then I won’t need to be replaced. I honestly don’t know what else to do at this point. I just know, I’m not having fun anymore

@mod please replace me.

This is like MBoS all over agian and I’m not fucking putting myself through that. Sorry.

First of all, to state that it might be better for town if no one picks them is an

incredibly dangerous

claim for scum to make, because there's the very real chance town will take them up on the offer—especially so at a time when the slot is so widely pressured/scum read. The fact of the matter is, it's not a desperate grab for town cred. If you consider that emotion to be faked, you also have to consider that the replacement wasn't genuine, and to replace out of a game for town cred is not something I believe Nancy would ever do.

EXHIBIT B: DOUBTINGTOXIC

Well if it's a mathematical certainty that scum is in there, it means that it didn't take any scumhunting skill to generate... I could put everyone in the scum tier and say "omg I scumread all the scum!" but it wouldn't mean anything.

Re: Thomas's wall, I don't know yet. I'm trying to get him to talk about that stuff a little more in the PT.

Having played with DT in a MU Lovers’ game, I can tell you that activity is NAI for him but town!him would express strong opinions in your PT. He did in ours - they were dead wrong but he definitely didn’t lack conviction.

did you want to be in my Lover PT that badly? why is this the only thing you talk about

Lolwut?

You were town in that game and it was blatantly obvious, soley based on what you posted in our DC.

Well if it's a mathematical certainty that scum is in there, it means that it didn't take any scumhunting skill to generate... I could put everyone in the scum tier and say "omg I scumread all the scum!" but it wouldn't mean anything.

Re: Thomas's wall, I don't know yet. I'm trying to get him to talk about that stuff a little more in the PT.

Having played with DT in a MU Lovers’ game, I can tell you that activity is NAI for him but town!him would express strong opinions in your PT. He did in ours - they were dead wrong but he definitely didn’t lack conviction.

did you want to be in my Lover PT that badly? why is this the only thing you talk about

Lolwut?

You were town in that game and it was blatantly obvious, soley based on what you posted in our DC.

wtf? why are you lying you literally cussed me out in discord lover PT for thinking you could be scum

you said "you are just scum at this point for not obv town reading me" then you got banned for angleshooting (lol)

don't pretend you correctly town read me. you literally subbed out cuz u thought i was a scum for not reading you town

which was kinda insane

I obtown read you and yes, thanks for reminding me of something I’d really rather forget. I was trying to do whatever I could think of to get you to see that I was town, so we wouldn’t lose the game with our mislynch.
I knew I had majorly fucked up by wrongly pushing El pair mislynch and you promised to lynch us if they flipped town, so yes I really was that desperate for you not to lose us the game because you totally sucked at reading me. Happy now.?

Yeah, and I paid the price for it, as you’ve already said.

Gamma, interesting. What connection do you see between Moment and I and DT then?

Also it's time to get this moving along.
VOTE: Doubting Thomas

L-1

DT was consistently pushing both me and TB but voted me for most of that period and was up my ass. That tells me the TB push was likely distancing.
Also VOTE: TheBrie again

I’m just really glad he’s out of the game.

He was being toxic and him throwing that game in my face like that, was really mean.

Spoiler:

My argument was that you should have had reads three days ago and that town is on the clock. I think I made exactly one post about it. Stop acting like I was talking up a storm about your post activity, that was simply me refuting the notion that there wasn't enough to work with irt your slot to get a read.

i town read SS and not scum read SS. that is not hard to understand. I think there are definite scum in Gamma or Brie. Maybe in PB, Nancy, etc if I look more into it.

As far as I know this is your reads right now. We have 5 days to solve the game. Who gets lynched today DT? Why are you continuing to bitch about me not spoonfeeding you interactions when you are presenting 0 indications of a solving mindset? Do you want Brie lynched today? Do you want Gamma to go first? Why in that order?

I have read your games and you are not this directionless as town. I feel like you just want to throw dirt at whoever is online and posting rather than working toward a gamesolve.

I thought I made my reads on other players to a certain degree so I am confused as to why you are trying to shade me this hard.

I think Gamma is obv scum but didn't realize she is partners with IC. Thinking maybe we can let them live technically just because we know for sure her partner is town and you made a fair point about gamma 'spewing'

I think Worm/PB are pretty null.

I think Brie's "reads" have been very subpar. I explained this before but you haven't read my posts properly so I will say it again

These are all of her "reads" that she made today:

Leaning towards scum on Moment, but he's not giving me anything to read. Conflicted on Pink Ball.

I went and did meta on Gamma. Her game is quite similar as town and scum, as town she's got more questions that force others to get involved and are really challenging, as a little less "Explain this" and sort of mechanical stuff, or comments on how people are playing. But it's close, and I can't tell which side this falls on. Maybe a tiny bit towards the scum side, but not enough to say anything solid. It's not outside her town range.

There's a few things that give me a scummy feel, but overall... I've not gotten her sorted out. i just know I'm not putting her solidly in as town.

In summary, she basically just says, "I lean scum. but he doesn't have any content to base my read on him. Idk Pink ball. I did meta on Gamma. I can't tell if she's town or scum. maybe a little scum. Don't have anything solid.

This is definition of hedging and she is refusing to take a stance. I think that is an overtly scum trait.

I also don't buy her explanation of insta accepting moment's invitation, as S_S pointed out

Mostly because I was afraid life would hardly let me on before the deadline. i had a couple days of full on work (waking up at three am), and I didn't know then how tired I would be the rest of the time. Bad reason.
Also, I wasn't really townreading SS then, and didn't really want her with Moment.

i don't really see scum!Moment asking scum!SS when he had a reasonable chance of town!me accepting. So currently townreading SS. Not townreading Moment, but I want to see him post again before making a final judgement.

I think this is >rand scum thing to do.

I also think Nancy constantly talking about my lover PT is >rand scum. I cannot understand why she thinks that would be NAI and scum read me for it. sounds scummy.

I think Worm's tone is townie, but I am confused as to why he completely ignored you and my interaction to talk about me at all in the last 10 pages that I read

I think Gamma has done very little solving and noone really town reads her. I think the way she got mad and attacked me out of nowehre is extremely scummy because she was blatantly lying about my progression on her. I think she can go, but I can accept why people wouldn't want to lynch her because she is lovers with an IC.

In that sense, I think Brie also has very high scum equity especially with her performance today. I haven't read Moment at all. hopefully he comes back soon. maybe ill iso him eventually.

I think nancy has good scum equity as well for oddly attacking me for not talking in lovers PT when i simply havent been on. I also think it was weird for her to give a reason for twon reading dann by using a post itt despite having lovers PT she so loves to talk about with him. i think dann is kinda townie for his posts tho and i initially town read nancy, so i personally prefer brie's lynch who i scum read harder and have no opinion on the lover for

i made all of this pretty clear in my recent posts so don't give me the "i dont see any reads from you" shit. read my shit.

i think you are just conf biasing and not reading my posts to tunnel me. i think you cussing me out is unnecessary and just provoking me really hard. believe me i can get real toxic real fast.

i don't want to go down that path so if you unnecessarily cuss me out again i will just ignore your presence and play the game around so i can at least leave a good legacy if you are just gonna deathtunnel me. i do think you are somewhat townie (despite S_S believing otherwise) and I think Taly is very townie so I don't want to get involved in a useless mess with you.

good luck with the rest of the game if you have anything intelligent to say that you want to approach me in a mature way to talk about, i'd be glad to talk. otherwise, i think you are just stuck in a tunnel and will play the game around you

So, in this post DT does say both Brie and Gamma are scum. The difference is he actually cases Brie here and I bolded a part towards the top where he says Gamma can actually be left alive. So I'd actually say he was pushing Brie more than you, Gamma.

Also good to note, right below the bolded portion, he has PB/Dr Worm as null. That, imo combined with his interactions with PB later make more sense as soft distancing.

I have experience with scum!DT and he is really clever. He fooled me in MU Suk game, so it’s extremely likey that he was deliberately trying to get himself lynched to save at least one of his buddies.

I think his shitting on me for pushing him posting in his PT, was just WIFOM to make everyone think he was afraid of it but I think it’s well within his scumrange to have fooled SS, if he had really wanted to. He was open wolfing here and he obviously knew it.

Nancy and DT have lowkey clashed all game, but this was the peak of it, occurring from posts #4825 to #5060. If you believe Nancy is scum, then you must also believe all the Nancy/DT interactions this game are scum theatre. Again, I read Nancy as completely genuine here. I think if Nancy and DT really had been scum buddies here, Nancy would have replaced out a long long time ago. I don't think that's a stretch to assert.

There are other things that point towards Nancy being town too. Namely, the choice of IC. Selecting PvtUrist as the IC directs more suspicion towards me. If we are entertaining the fact that Nancy could be the deepwolf, her game plan requires that she survive till endgame. ICing Pvt puts the odds against her by splashing suspicion on me. If I'm the most suspicious person going into endgame, it's not likely Nancy will win it. Scum in this setup, particularly a deep wolf in this situation, has to play to survive until endgame. This means they have to avoid the deaths of both themselves and their partner.

Another point in Nancy's favor is that she initially pushed to have Krazy as her lover. This is a good because Krazy at no point was "universally town read," with RC being a far better candidate. I think if Nancy was scum, she would have pushed harder to be in a pair with RC.

In the end, if Nancy is scum here, she deserves to win a fucking Oscar.

this whole post didn't age well.
Nancy gets an Oscar now?