Mini 2057: Year 2057 (Game Over)

[RadiantCowbells]

I have a pregame guilty on an unspecified player

I am going to allow the game to play out as normal for a few days to get some associatives from them then we'll Lynch them

I thank you all for your cooperation

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Wow these are some not villagery entrances

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I have a pregame guilty on an unspecified player

I am going to allow the game to play out as normal for a few days to get some associatives from them then we'll Lynch them

I thank you all for your cooperation

I don’t know how I feel about this

Who are your buddies

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RadiantCowbells is aligned with the Village.

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Emperor if you swear loyalty to me I will spare you this lynch

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Flippynips wagon is bad

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VOTE: temporallich

This is 1 wolf

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good wagon

hi lovebird how are you

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Nothing is making me consider a change of vote thus far

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Mary chat with me

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VOTE: Gamma
I don't like Lich.

Then why not vote lich jw

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What's your read on me jw

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just wondering and was talking to you

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That's not a read on me

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Btw Mary

If you play with me engage with me talk to me I won't lynch you early no matter what. I can't promise I won't lunch you eventually but.

If you don't engage with me I'm prolly just gonna assume it's because you're wolf and I won't feel bad if it's wrong.

Don't be a stranger <3

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

\o/
Lets speed lynch this!

No speedlynch

I'm 99% here to hit on Mary and she hasn't been here yet so

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Oh you meant gamma

Fuck no temporal lich is outed wolf they die today

Vedith if ur gonna fight it I might accidentally Lynch you tomorrow

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lol

vedith u gonna die tomorrow

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No I'm just expressing it in advance so you don't QQ at me when it happens if I'm not dead

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I don't see #18 as that awkward

You prompted me to look at the timing of the post though, and Lich hops from the DDL wagon from an equal sized wagon on Emperor. I don't see the scum motivation behind doing that and possibly drawing attention to himself, unless DDL/Lich are buddies but I'm not sure that makes sense. Maybe it is just awkward town.

You've convinced me vedith

UNVOTE: Lich
VOTE: Hopkirk

I don't see how Hopkirk expects his vote to help him get a better read on Gamma when he asked Gamma no questions about his actions

No

[RadiantCowbells]

Stop inviting TL jfc

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Stop inviting TL jfc

Idk, he could be lynchbait. No need to rush

He's not he's just scum

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Here's my case he's a wolf

What am I supposed to case in his six posts

Sure I'll make a case

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I am

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Dann certainly is interesting, I'm all fired up over here. Can you tell? In any case, there's this one other player, they're just so very boring. Honestly, it's a drag. Good chance they're scum too. Hey, we should team up, let's get all the boring out of here. What do you say?

VOTE: Radiantcowbells

how do you want this game to go?

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Gonna have to agree with Dannflor here.

I definitely feel DrDolittle is trying to hide something. At least the random voters are honest and true.

I'll concede it was basically page 1 (post 26, and the mod took the pagetop) but first you said you wanted to vote someone who hadn't been voted yet, then you said random, so which is it?

Let's get this wagon rolling folks

Since he said random, then that he wanted to vote someone who hadn't been voted yet, then random again... his vote is baseless and Lovebird is town. That's a complete 360 right there.

You know what this means...

VOTE: Emperor flippyNips

Flippynips wagon is bad

I'm not sure about that...

How the hell do you get Lovebird is town from that

If Lovebird turns out to be scumbird then I will be very surprised.
Especially now since there are scumreads floating around and the vote isn't even pretending to be a scumread.

I'm going to define a new term here because I don't think it's something that's in the popular lexicon and I think it's really important to reading newbies in particular.
There's a lie detecting tell with people in real life where when they're lying they give extraneous details, overexplain things, etc.
The mafia equivalent which we see in these posts is all this excessive fluff added on to these votes.
I'm gonna call it "scum overwording" and it's one of the most tried and true scumtells when it comes to reading newbies.
Notably I have played with more newbies than anyone else in this game and probably in site history, so that should come up with a lot of force behind it.

Another major thing is the lack of newbie unconfidence with the reads. There's no explanations behind things. He just kinda comes up with reads. SSBM town, no explanation. Lovebird town was complete what the fuck and though that kind of overreading into associatives is reasonably common from newbies the original read that lovebird came from was totally out of nowhere.

What do you two think about Lovebird's entrance and subsequent wagon hop? Scummy or just lazy town?

Definitely just lazy town, though I don't see scumreads as implausible.

this too is inconsistent in and of itself: 'definitely town' but the scumreads aren't implausible. wolfy out the ass.

Emperor, Dannflor, DrDolittle, and Gamma all register as "potentially scum" to me.

this is just a pretty typical scum readslist sooo

yeah

no they're just scum. we can lynch them at any point. i wouldn't mind stalling out the day phase but they're gonna be in antispew indefinitely and if it means that we're even slightly likely to end up not lynching temporallich it's better to just take the scum flip and move on to tomorrow.

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@Vedith i do not read you as scum but if you're going to hard defend a wolf i will probably want you lynched sometime before endgame. nothing personnel, kid, but this is ick.

@Yumeko I do read you as scum. I think that your tone is awful and I see your vote as very likely to have been an outright chainsaw. if that is not the case i strongly advise that you reconsider your current line of play because right now i'm planning to go after you tomorrow. on top of all this if the calling me boring and appealing to mary specifically to vote me wasn't explicitly intended to piss me off then you should be aware that that's going to piss me off

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Wolfy reaction btw

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Btw sorry about this game TL

good luck in your next one

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dat

pagetop tho

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i must say i'm... enticed.

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loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

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fuckin rekt

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Since some people are trying to fight the obvscum lynch I guess I'll engage with this

How is assuming that you're going to be the lynch when you're already the largest wagon scummy for me? What's my scum motivation going after you? How does something not being Towny necessarily make me auto scumlock?

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So I'm scum because when I was trying to lynch you I actually meant that I was going to kill you at night? Why would I want to nightkill someone who is easily mislynched in this context?

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Like why does scum me randomly tell you that I'm nightkilling you? How is that possibly a town thought process, RC is scum because when he apologized for having me speedlynched he actually meant that he was going to nightkill me? Thinking that means having a very low opinion of newbies

Also anyone who says that any of my case was on him making 'fluff' misunderstood what I was saying. This is a wolf, it dies. So do vedith and yumeko at this point.

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He's just a wolf saying what sounds good

Yumeko and Vedith have to die regardless of their alignments hopefully one of them is a wolf but if not it's still wrong to not kill both of them

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He's just a wolf saying what sounds good

Yumeko and Vedith have to die regardless of their alignments hopefully one of them is a wolf but if not it's still wrong to not kill both of them

what's your case on vedith?
i'm not a fan of you lining up lynches..

My case on vedith is you can't let people get away with using completely uncalled for salt and personality grievances to jot vote wolves

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ITT someone does the classic scumtell of searching for unaligned scum (SK) instead of just calling me mafia and they still don't get voted

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I'll give u a hint

It's because he knows I'm not mafia

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Let's be real here, RC is scum either way. RC doesn't even seem to appear to have any buddies so SK is somewhat more likely than Mafia.

RC being wrong doesn't mean Scum at all.
RC being wrong just means RC being wrong and having too much of an ego to understand.

I doubt Scum. I wouldn't even consider SK until evidence.

Why do you think that RC has no buddies?

what if rcs are just right

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about what?

a knee jerk townread on a slot that only exists because i called it scum?

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i believe that you if town have convinced yourself that there was some higher purpose behind trying to spite the man

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all of this fails to recognize that i have a better idea of what newbie town and scum do or do not play like and have a fairly strong track record in not mislynching weaker or unorthodox players

i think yumeko could easily be a buddy trying to keep them afloat. I think that there could be scum on the wagon. who knows. i do know that they're a wolf and i want to lynch the wolf.

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lol

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town in this position doesn't think that some of the other people voting with me are my buddies? get real.
can we just... deal with this situation pls

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creature isn't even in this game

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lich did post like scum though

and he's going to flip scum

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you've

referenced vengecop to the point that i think this is starting to get to discussing ongoing games territory

you should stop brnging it up

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my top 2 townreads are lovebird and xwing

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hilariously ssbm would have been my first pick for a busser on the wagon.

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my top 2 townreads are lovebird and xwing

kindly explain why RC?

i agree with dann on lovebird (intentionally irking vedith with my focus)
seriously though, i do agree with dann that if i were to pick scum on TL wagon, i will focus on sorting lovebird, hence why i digged up her previous posts and asked 379..she's also got a pending question from me regarding her "informed" status..

seems our reads are entirely backwards

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that said

i think the play tomorrow is to lynch like Yumeko
maybe another anti-wagon like Vedith

if it's double town start seriously considering bussers but probably not in the lovebird slot specifically

if you get even one scum you're probably gonna win by lynching everyone not on the wagon.

wow really? im surprised..why do you think so?

you feel ridiculously solvey so obvtown imo
lovebird i have a strong ability to toneread as mary will attest and is already pretty damn likely to be town

ssbm and dannfloor ignoring their presence on the wagon are below null so

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if mary hasn't made a presence in the thread before i die kill her.

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be my townblock friend lovebird with xwing

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what happens when they flip scum jw

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vedith why do you simultaneously think im town and that your reads are better than mine?

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that's really trashy and you should die for saying it.

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you aren't obligated to respect or like me but if you're going to towncase someone off of 'hey this other person is stupid arrogant and conceited and their scumread makes them town' then we have a problem

Otherwise explain these.
You know exactly what I'm like so either I'm right and you're just trying to bait me into taking flakk or...?

i don't give a fuck what you're like vedith. i don't let people get away with hard defending scum for shit reasons. it raises my overall winrate even if it leads to lynching town on occasion. i warned you that this line of play wasn't going to go anywhere good and you chose to pretend like I made you or that I was intentionally goading you or some shit when i just want to lynch scum

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I expect to die n1 and I want town to understand exactly why it is that I want you dead.

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Don't hammer yet

Let's let Mary catch up
If she doesn't and I die, again, kill her

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That's not how a real watcher? softs

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lol

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Don't counterclaim him just lynch

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I'm the best!

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the strongest evidence that i can base my read off of is that she asked me to play a game with her then lurked and the last time we were in a game together where she was scum she lurked in a similar fashion

this isn't

totally

decisive but i think its enough that she shouldn't go to endgame if it continues the rest of the day phase, plus my feelings will be rly hurt

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oh yeah she lurked when we were town together hmm

i'm still fine saying to lynch her because her lack of presence makes me less happy of a human being

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tbh probably better to just hammer and maintain momentum going into tomorrow even if it means i give less reads before i die

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hii~

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cuz they're defending TL in obnoxious ways

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just know that RC is probably scum.

why though?

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like you've locked me as scum because when I was trying to lynch you I was actually secretly threatening to nightkill me. that's it.
0 sorting. 0 anything. you have no meaningful reads on anyone. you softed but didn't even claim. you have the worst iso that I think I've ever seen

despite that I still hold my breath reading all of ur new posts because i don't want to mislynch in a situation like this but you've given me 0 reason to think you're town.

if you actually are, you should.

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Lich what other reads do you have, RC removed from the equation

If RC comes up innocent then it's Gamma/Emp.

why?

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alright i think i'm done with TL

i think he could do better than this as villa

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i'll be super super frustrated if this somehow flips villa

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just lynch him and i'll deal with the self loathing if he's actually the inveistigative that he's softing at this point

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That is an odd nightkill

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I have one more caught scum

I'm going to stall this game for a long ass time sorting the rest of you first though

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I think that I can make a six person townblock today and just call the game over

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You're lucky that you're cute

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Eh that's not rly funny to me anymore.

I'll hold off until I'm ready to big post

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RC probably villager

not sure tho maybe he was powerbussing

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Should Lynch him today just to be safe t b h

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I want to lunch yumeko regardless of my read on them because they annoy me

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It's ok I'm not going to unless I wolfread them

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Mobile only until next Saturday due to business trip (in Surrey it so happens). Should be able to post, but only on mobile so not long/pretty similar to the rest of what I've posted so far tbh.

Lynch definitely between Gamma/Yum.

its not

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i'm not going to do shit this game if other people aren't doing shit.

just ignore me for now and scumhunt.

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yeah he's part-time, he only cops 1 night a week

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I think they gave up on the game when they couldn't get me policy lynched instead of lynching scum regardless of alignment.

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i just realized something.

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ssbm hasn't posted since day start either

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ok

{rc, xwing} locktown
{Lovebird} think im townreading for some reason, god knows why
{vedith, gamma} lightly town

leaving

Mary
Jabrami
SSBM
Emperor
DDL
Hopkirk

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ok
SO

i think it's... basically impossible that scum knew dannflor was a PR

i think he was shot generally for asserting that scum was in the pool of people

resisting

the wagon

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iiiiiiiinteresting

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vedith that is one of the most insightful posts i have ever seen anyone make in a mafia game

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i'm like

pretty damn sure you're right

and i think that if you're right that spews the final scum

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let the record show tho

that i came up with it first

when i said i just realized something

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i'm fairly certain its yumeko traitor mary saotome final scum btw

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miller claim + the way yumeko keeps talking to Mary + mary being one of the few people who i think makes a dannflor kill last night

or if you mean specifically the yumeko traitor thing, it's because of the way yumeko kept saying hey I'm not wolf with TL because if I was I would have been talking in scumchat not thread

it does really look like someone trying to coach a scumpartner into producing useful content in a way that suggests no day chat and the 1 way interactinos yumeko -> mary look like someone trying to make themselves known

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note that all of this is heavily dependent on yumeko actually flipping scum

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i've read traitor in the wiki..it will show up as an innocent when cop investigated right..though they are red aligned..
otoh miller is town that will show up as guilty when investigated..so why claim this, then say that she will show up innocent when investigated? im a bit confused..

it's a way of claiming traitor to the scumteam.

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I wonder why you're assuming there was a bus in the first place, why not look towards some of the people not voting at all?

Is it often there's a scum lynch day one without bussing?

there are many d1 scum lynches in RC games without bussing

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i townread gamma btw

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Slow the fuck down.

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This is why you don't L-1 her before the reason that we murdered scum D1 can give reads on everyone in the player list.

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lol

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Hi

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Slow down and let me give reads on everyone

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Like we're killing her but

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Mary you're always the lynch today.

Stop defending and give reads if you're town.

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If it would assuage your pride or feeling of being railroaded or w/e in the world that you're town I can explain why I think it's you which is purely based on your own play and not Yumeko's.

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Like if Yumeko made her main goal of the game to set you up to fall after she flips traitor, then she succeeded at it. That's unfortunate for you. But I also think that you have wolf equity based on

something

for now.

We're taking the one mislynch on you if we have to and moving on from there.

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Emperor Flippynips, xwing, Vedith, DrDolittle < Don't touch
Hopkirk,>Chennisden>Gamma Emerald> RadiantCowbells,

Not that you people will listen to me anyway~

clarify this for me

you're putting DDL in don't touch?

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Sry baby cakes your townblock is not my townblock

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eh

lets just kill mary

don't feel like sorting the remianing slots right now

VOTE: Mary Saotome

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UNVOTE:

eh i owe this better

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she already claimed vanillager d1

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what? as if fakeclaiming PR would make you more likely to live to endgame not less lol
as if i'm waiting because of your claim lol

i'm waiting beacuse i want to guarantee that the game i murdered 2 scum in has the third in my poe.

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No, the point was you trying to say I couldn't claim anything but VT as scum. I was just proving that false. Although if I was scum I would've prob claimed JOAT backup and killed you the only person who knows I like that fake claim last night

see here's the thing

i think you didn't kill me n1 because you thought that i was at least some of the time your traitor.

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i actually think you're... pretty much the only person who doesn't kill me last night. you're gonna get lynched off of my claimed scumread of you if you die. at least if you keep me alive maybe you can pocket me since i'm pretty much the only person who could keep you alive right now.

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Your ego surpasses so many limits if you think I don't kill you n1 or n2. But okay maybe this game you'll finally know you can't read me after what 5 games in a row where I'm town now?

i'm legit confused as to what you're asserting here.

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Like if you

really

have the desire to be pissed off at me for being wrong on you with several good reasons in a game where i murdered scum d1 then d2 then, uh, be mad at me?

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No unvote

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Please. We're lynching her. Just give me time.

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Someone is gonna cheeky hammer

Sorry for stalling the game.

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I promise we'll hammer tomorrow.

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U know that wasn't hammer lol

Ok

VOTE: Mary

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If it's wrong then welp. glgl

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Sayonara... Sonic the hedgehog

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Chennis prolly best lynch if this is something town

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Vedith also 100% dies before endgame

Maybe DDL for third but

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But uh yeah I think I'm gonna sit and look pretty

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she is hammered

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those are some horrible posts chennis

if mary is town chennis should go next

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i wud b tho

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Hai

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Byw the real masons God play was not needing to be brought to lylo together to catch the scum

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Btw I feel like my competency as town has been overshadowed by a lot of the newer players

But I told y'all to Lynch all 3 scum day 1 try to be me thanks

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sigh

if i had outed my traitor speculation a day earlier vedith wouldn't have gotten the towncred for it