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Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:43 pm

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VOTE: DDL

for posting 4 times but not voting
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Post Post #19 (isolation #1) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:10 pm

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In post 16, TemporalLich wrote:VOTE: DrDolittle

Gonna have to agree with Dannflor here.
VOTE: TemporalLich

disagree with you agreeing with me
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Post Post #28 (isolation #2) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:36 pm

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I get paranoid about people town reading or agreeing with me too readily, it's an easy choice and I don't wanna get pocketed

I think it's better if it isn't done too often. Having a timeline of VCs to look back on is helpful later for VCA
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Post Post #33 (isolation #3) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:55 pm

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Don't like the addition of "don't think there's anything scummy about that"

Is town so concerned with their actions being perceived as scummy, esp this early on over something so little?

Why did you choose to naked vote someone who hasn't posted yet as opposed to interacting with someone who has? It's true that they will be there eventually but you haven't given them anything to react to/produce content with
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Post Post #59 (isolation #4) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:41 am

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In post 36, Yumeko Jabami wrote:However, post 33 by Dannflor looks like scum grilling awkward town to me... or at least it's what I'd expect to be happening. Dannflor would certainly be the logical place to place a vote right now.
I like to grill awkward town first to make sure they're awkward town and not awkward scum. :)
In post 42, Gamma Emerald wrote:Explain? I take special interest in this post due to past problems with early agreeing with people.
Just paranoia, mostly.
In post 45, Emperor flippyNips wrote:I mean it’s just RVS I wanted to vote someone who hadn’t been voted yet
For example, this response is very town imo. In my experience, scum will try a lot harder to justify themselves when put under pressure early. This is too simple for that.
In post 48, DrDolittle wrote:I think this is just Dannflor looking like a Dannflor. Most likely not AI
Haha, true. Also town pings though. DDL has faced some suspicion and just had a case built on him, and choosing to soft defend his potential counter wagon,:not the best choice for scum.
In post 58, Lovebird wrote:Idk. I don't have many townreads.

VOTE: DrDolittle
Yuck. Don't like this entrance. Comes in and calls one random post towny with no explanation and then hops on an already built wagon while adding nothing to it.

VOTE: Lovebird

Lovebird, if you're lacking town reads, why don't you try questioning people to change that? Or, at the very least add something of value to the DDL wagon by interrogating him or building a different case. Your entrance just jumps on the easiest wagon without adding anything else.
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Post Post #62 (isolation #5) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:06 am

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That's like four people now who've called me or one of my posts scummy without actually voting for me :|
In post 60, Lovebird wrote:I don't ask questions because I didn't think of any. I don't think I'm good at questions to figure people out. I'm not in a rush. So, I'm fine with waiting to see things
Why do you think DDL was the best place to put your vote?
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Post Post #79 (isolation #6) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:38 am

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Emperor's responses have been very town
Since he said random, then that he wanted to vote someone who hadn't been voted yet, then random again... his vote is baseless and Lovebird is town. That's a complete 360 right there.
How the hell do you get Lovebird is town from that

VOTE: TemporalLich
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Post Post #85 (isolation #7) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:58 am

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It's a lot easier as scum to take a noncommittal stance than it is to take a scum read that might draw attention, particularly early on
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Post Post #105 (isolation #8) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:58 pm

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Do you think he’s scum for completely ignoring the TemporalLich wagon or is something else pinging you?
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Post Post #110 (isolation #9) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:35 pm

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In post 109, Mary Saotome wrote:ewwww ew ew ew. You're grasping at straws so early! Who cares if he says his action wasn't scummy. Newsflash, it wasn't. That's not really the point here though. You're pushing him because he said so? Yeah that's more likely to come from town because scum know this kind of stuff gets pushed on. Even if he didn't the way you're phasing this statement is gross.
It was a RVS with probably no thought put into it.
And that's what I concluded after questioning him, but I wanted to make sure. I would have voted him if I thought it was enough to really go on.

Also, I think grasping at straws is exactly what you should do early on until you're able to get a better grasp on the game.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #10) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:37 pm

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In post 109, Mary Saotome wrote:Baka. What is this useless question for? The answer here is obviously no. Of course, it's not okay to do this. You bringing up this topic in the first place is dumb!
It's not entirely useless considering Slaxx did this very thing in the VC just before his post.
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Post Post #117 (isolation #11) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:08 pm

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In post 112, Mary Saotome wrote:What makes someone awk town and what makes them awk scum. Kinda hard to tell if you ask me.
Depends on the situation, that's why I wanted to pressure Emperor to explain himself to find out. I think if he was scum, he would've tried a little harder to justify himself and cover for the (yes slightly ridiculous) reason people were attacking him for.
In post 114, Mary Saotome wrote:It depends how serious the push is. If it was clearly to try and get the game moving and nothing else I'd agree. That isn't the case with a lot of these pushes though!
What do you qualify as getting the game moving? My push helped me sort Emperor, though I'll agree Gamma coming in and restating the same spew after people had moved on is not a good look and definitely doesn't move the game forward or help in sorting

Who are your two town reads? Emperor obviously and...?
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Post Post #120 (isolation #12) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:45 pm

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In post 119, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I think being directly confronted makes people more transparent, and thus easier to sort.
I also think along these lines. Specifically, the ways people get defensive (or lack of defensiveness) can be telling.

What do you two think about Lovebird's entrance and subsequent wagon hop? Scummy or just lazy town?
In post 102, Gamma Emerald wrote:There's a VC on that page actually so I'll drop it.
UNVOTE:
Gamma, what does this post mean?
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Post Post #136 (isolation #13) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:54 am

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In post 126, Gamma Emerald wrote:Maybe it's the roleplaying but Mary Saotome's play seems very agenda-driven.
If you believe this, why not vote for her?
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Post Post #142 (isolation #14) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:48 am

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In post 139, Hopkirk wrote:@Mary: what would you have considered to be a legitimate, not just ‘convenient’ reason for Dan to vote Emperor? The phrasing ‘convenient’ feels odd.
I never voted for Emperor
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Post Post #159 (isolation #15) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:17 am

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I'd like to wait for DDL to do virtually anything before I form an opinion on that slot

I'm wary because iirc he gets scum read a lot for not doing much early game regardless of alignment
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Post Post #162 (isolation #16) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:49 am

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Why Emperor? You have to justify it more than his RVS vote.
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Post Post #163 (isolation #17) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:50 am

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with more*
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Post Post #168 (isolation #18) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:09 am

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In post 166, Emperor flippyNips wrote:Who’s iirc I looked at everyone & couldn’t figure it out
if I remember correctly*

It happened in a game I played with him and it's what I remember from doing a meta dive on him previously

I don't like Gamma unvoting, calling another slot sus, and then failing to vote that slot

Vedith, could you elaborate on your Lich town read? His behavior is not what I'd expect from a new player tbh so I'm not following your logic here
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Post Post #175 (isolation #19) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:20 am

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In post 170, Vedith wrote:Before that, what do you expect from a new player?
As both aligns.
I'd expect less confidence and "willingness to be under pressure" as you put it and more waffleing. As both alignments. I don't think the fact that he's a new player really impacts my read in this case.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #20) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:29 am

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I said the fact that he's new is NAI, since he's not behaving like I would expect a new player of either alignment to act. I'm treating the slot like I would any other particularly as I have no meta to compare with him to see if he really would be more worried about how he's read as scum.
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Post Post #182 (isolation #21) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:35 am

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Yes... We're in agreement?
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Post Post #186 (isolation #22) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:43 am

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In post 184, Vedith wrote:But yet you have them as scum...
So I don't think we are in agreement.
I don't think them being new is AI.

My scum read is off their play putting aside the fact that they're new.

Your reason for town reading is the fact that they're new?
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Post Post #188 (isolation #23) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:53 am

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In post 187, Vedith wrote:But you said the way they are playing isn't what you expect from either alignment?
So your reason for them as scum is their play, which you don't expect town or scum to do?!
I said the way they're playing isn't what I'd expect from a new player.

As a regular player, his play is scummy imo

Lich, will you explain your ssbm town read?
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Post Post #192 (isolation #24) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:00 am

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Mostly #76 being an extremely forced and awkward way to jump on the Emperor wagon, and then not reconsidering until directly called out on it in #167.

A "probably town" read 36 posts into the game also pings me, but it'll depend on what his reasoning is.
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Post Post #193 (isolation #25) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:02 am

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In post 190, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because I want to give her a chance to respond.
What about voting her doesn't give a chance to respond? She's not a major wagon or at L-1. At this stage your vote should be on someone
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Post Post #199 (isolation #26) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:08 am

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In post 195, Gamma Emerald wrote:Her response could change my mind, so I didn't vote yet.
You can change your vote at any time
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Post Post #201 (isolation #27) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:09 am

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In post 197, Gamma Emerald wrote:I actually try to contribute to a game I'm in with Dannflor and I get turbowagoned Day 1. Fuck efforting I'll just coast as town from now on.
:lol: You have 3 votes actually, I believe

Dunno what Emperor is on
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Post Post #203 (isolation #28) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:09 am

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In post 200, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Are you scared of what it would look like if you voted someone because you were suspicious and then changed your mind and unvoted after your suspicions were assuaged?
That's exactly what I was thinking
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Post Post #205 (isolation #29) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:10 am

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In post 196, Vedith wrote:What's the difference of that vote to 18?
It seems that because more people mentioned 76 you jumped onto it?
I'm having a hard time understanding/parsing your posts I think

18 is a worlds apart RVS post

I don't know what you mean about 76, it's the post that caught my attention and my vote
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Post Post #213 (isolation #30) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:25 am

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I don't see #18 as that awkward

You prompted me to look at the timing of the post though, and Lich hops from the DDL wagon from an equal sized wagon on Emperor. I don't see the scum motivation behind doing that and possibly drawing attention to himself, unless DDL/Lich are buddies but I'm not sure that makes sense. Maybe it is just awkward town.

You've convinced me vedith

UNVOTE: Lich
VOTE: Hopkirk

I don't see how Hopkirk expects his vote to help him get a better read on Gamma when he asked Gamma no questions about his actions
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Post Post #216 (isolation #31) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:42 am

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TBH, I initially interpreted your post as you "don't like Lich as the lynch," because your post makes 0 sense otherwise.

What do you think about the fact that TL hopped equal strength wagons in #76 when he could have just stayed on DDL easily?

If you think TL is still the lynch, why don't you vote it? If you're still trying to get a read on Gamma, she's been around, interact with her.
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Post Post #217 (isolation #32) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:45 am

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In post 208, Emperor flippyNips wrote:What do you mean?
Meaning she's nowhere near L-1 unless I missed a lot of votes
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Post Post #232 (isolation #33) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:13 pm

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I answered you already Emperor, I was referring to you saying Gamma was at L-1.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #34) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:19 pm

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In post 230, Lovebird wrote:IDK, that doesn't seem realistic. And, wouldn't that be towny anyways?
Don't think town cares as much about looking suspicious. Why doesn't it seem realistic?

Gamma, I fail to understand why you aren't using your vote to pressure/get reactions out of people. It looks like you're trying to play overly safe.

VOTE: Gamma
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Post Post #237 (isolation #35) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:21 pm

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In post 219, Hopkirk wrote:Process is ongoing, but I am getting reads/thoughts/questions out of the vote.
Why do you believe Lich is the lynch for the day?
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Post Post #239 (isolation #36) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:22 pm

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In post 236, RadiantCowbells wrote:Stop inviting TL jfc
what does this mean
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Post Post #242 (isolation #37) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:26 pm

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I have a lot of town leans. Need DDL and xwing to post

I don't understand Rc's hard push without actually making a case
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Post Post #244 (isolation #38) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:32 pm

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idk i talked myself out of it

I still don't like him scum reading Emperor for so long but

I'm not convinced he can't be awkward town anymore
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Post Post #257 (isolation #39) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:25 am

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In post 247, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Furthermore, would you say DDN's playstyle holds a special exemption to what you said here, or do you think this isn't an applicable situation?
DDL and I have played one game together I believe. We were both town and I pushed him initially until I did a meta dive on him.

I would like to pressure this slot eventually and get a solid read but I don't think voting it right now is going to do anything so I'm waiting for him to actually start playing the game.

@RC, I know you think TL is still the best lynch, but opinion on Gamma/Hopkirk?
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Post Post #262 (isolation #40) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:04 am

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I'm reconvinced.

Stalling out the day, for at least a little longer, is good though. xwing won't be here until Monday, and DDL and Yumeko need to engage
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Post Post #269 (isolation #41) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:17 am

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In post 265, TemporalLich wrote:There is nothing that suggests SSBM could be scum. Fight me.
What suggests that SSBM is town to you?
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Post Post #271 (isolation #42) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:56 am

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Yea, I'm not sure I like the instinct to get confrontational vs. ... actually explaining his reads.
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Post Post #277 (isolation #43) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:31 pm

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In post 38, TemporalLich wrote:
ssbm_Kyouko is probably town btw
In post 274, TemporalLich wrote:There's nothing scummy in his ISO. Of course, nothing scummy is merely neutral at worst.

To add some weight to the town_Kyouko theory, he seems to be of the confident demeanor so he won't back down if the pressure were to ever fall on him.
How did you get that second part + enough to say "probably town" after two posts from Kyouko at the beginning of the game?
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Post Post #279 (isolation #44) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:37 pm

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In post 278, DrDolittle wrote:Cause in the game Dann and I played I literally expressed exasperation over "
get scum read for not doing much early game regardless of alignment
". Dann are we friends? I would say so.
Yep I remember this in particular, and it stuck out because you ended up being town. Sure, we're friends! :D
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Post Post #281 (isolation #45) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:49 pm

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In post 276, DrDolittle wrote:Eyes on Dannflor. Feeling definitely a bit uneasy here.
In post 280, DrDolittle wrote:Thoughts on gamma + dann aligns with me.
Hm? Did your uneasiness fade, or...?
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Post Post #294 (isolation #46) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:45 am

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VOTE: Lich

Better lynch than Gamma

@DDL and Gamma, what are your reads on Lich and why do you believe Yumeko is scummier?
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Post Post #307 (isolation #47) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:12 pm

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In post 303, TemporalLich wrote:At least try to not look like scum.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells
:lol:

Did you want to answer this:
In post 277, Dannflor wrote:
In post 38, TemporalLich wrote:
ssbm_Kyouko is probably town btw
In post 274, TemporalLich wrote:There's nothing scummy in his ISO. Of course, nothing scummy is merely neutral at worst.

To add some weight to the town_Kyouko theory, he seems to be of the confident demeanor so he won't back down if the pressure were to ever fall on him.
How did you get that second part + enough to say "probably town" after two posts from Kyouko at the beginning of the game?
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Post Post #308 (isolation #48) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:12 pm

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In post 306, Vedith wrote:Gamma and Dann for scum so far. I'm not wrong.
you are wrongggg
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Post Post #310 (isolation #49) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:19 pm

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In post 309, Vedith wrote:Explain.
my role pm has says im town
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Post Post #313 (isolation #50) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:51 pm

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@Mod, what is the deadline?
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Post Post #316 (isolation #51) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:05 pm

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I believe we still have a good amount of time, I just don't see a countdown anywhere.

I didn't realize I was the L-1 but I'm fine being that. I have a lot of town reads right now and I think a Lich flip is best and will help me sort regardless of alignment (though I do really think it's a scum flip now)

My only worries right now are Gamma and DDL skating by/not really commenting on the TL wagon in their cases, but that just makes a flip here more important.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #52) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:48 pm

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Vedith, you seemed pretty set on town!lich. Does that flipping scum impact your reads at all? Or are you set?
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Post Post #403 (isolation #53) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:22 pm

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Aight not a lot of time today but here's the scoop

SSBM is also my strongest town read DDL, I can quote her specific quotes later that really exemplify this but honestly if you ISO them and they're questioning/logic throughout the game it looks really obv town imo

In response to Vedith asking me for more reasoning, I think it's been laid out by RC pretty well so far. I think I was overthinking with my previous wagon hopping argument. The strongest point I've seen for town!lich, is Mary's (I think she was the one who made it) point about scum trying to coach him. Honestly though, I think Lich already put himself in a hole with his previous posting. His posting since than has been pretty WTF with SKs and stuff, in a way that to me does not read genuine. It feels like trying really hard to seem like dumb newbie because that's the best and only defense he has.

In addition, there's so much fucking resistance to this wagon. You're painting this narrative of scum just sitting back and being happy but I don't see that here. I see Lich being scum and his partners being among Yumeko/DDL/Gamma/Mary trying desperately to get counter wagons going and painting this as an easy mislynch. The only person I could see as scum on the Lich wagon is Lovebird. Probably, it's a town driven wagon on scum caught early, and scum are working really hard to make sure this lynch doesn't go through because if it does the game looks bad for them.

I don't know why you are trying so hard to fight this lynch when it seems it helps your reads a lot to know this flip. If Lich is indeed town, he's obviously not a strong player (sorry) by the way he's playing. I honestly don't really know where your scum read on me comes at all here, and I think we should lynch this, it'll probably flip red, and then you can refocus because whatever beef you have with RC has tilted you and your reads into the ground.

idk if i missed anything but still 100% think this is the best lynch today, flip gives a lot of information either way too
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Post Post #405 (isolation #54) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:31 pm

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think you missed the next two paragraphs of my post but ok
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Post Post #472 (isolation #55) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:10 pm

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In post 461, xwing wrote:im really annoyed with vedith but i think he's town..
^^^

Highly doubt scum hard defends his buddy all day and then changes his mind right before they're about to be lynched. If anything, especially with day chat, they'd be working to distance each other and build good associatives before the flip. That assumes this flips red of course but I don't really doubt that
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Post Post #484 (isolation #56) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:31 pm

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In post 478, Mary Saotome wrote:AHAHAHA don't make me laugh! You say the Lichi wagon has resistance? You're wrong. The only other person you could calla 'wagon' is Gamma who is in your little list. So do you think town has just nailed the scumteam? No, the only big wagon has been Lichi all game. I won't go into details on how the Lichi wagon doesn't make me look bad (because that should be obvious) but you're really making me laugh with how bad of a post this is. I just need to figure out if your backwards logic is coming from town or scum.
The wagon has a lot of resistance for what it should have imo if it really was an easy mislynch

Vedith and Yumeko have defended him pretty hard

There's also passive resistance in both the Gamma wagon and players like Gamma and DDL straight up ignoring the slot. I don't know why you think I'm saying town has just nailed the scum team and it bother me that you took that out of what I was saying. I said that's where I see potential partners because I'm fairly certain this flips red. I don't think me listing like 5 people counts as "town nailing the scum team." That's such a strange thing to say
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Post Post #490 (isolation #57) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:49 pm

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Lich what other reads do you have, RC removed from the equation
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Post Post #497 (isolation #58) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:01 pm

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maybe it's a jester

@Mary, I'm struggling to see where your logic is coming from
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Post Post #498 (isolation #59) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:03 pm

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Although, in regards to your earlier points, I do think I overstated how much resistance the wagon had. That was a knee jerk reaction to Vedith using the game state to case why it was a mislynch. I however do think that there is a decent amount of resistance and the type of resistance it is makes this more likely scum than not. This might be case where I'm conf biasing super hard but I don't know how to read this game and not see Lich as scum at this point
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Post Post #984 (isolation #60) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:41 pm

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In post 966, Vedith wrote:I killed Dann as I was thinking PR and felt he would have most likely checked me or protected RC if he was.
So that was a lucky kill that then gave me the information to lynch Yumeko.
oof nice read and shot

you played well

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Post Post #985 (isolation #61) » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:41 pm

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wish I'd done more this game but

a win is a win! \o/
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