Mini 2057: Year 2057 (Game Over)

[Vedith]

Hi, im Vedith and this is my first game of Mafia.
I'm a little nervous so please go easy on me and don't vote me.

\o/

[Vedith]

Yeah you tell them!

[Vedith]

Hello hello if you have any questions feel free to ask

Thank you very much! You are probably town.

[Vedith]

I guess if we should vote then I should probably vote

VOTE: Hopkirk

I'm really sorry to do this but I like DrDoLittle this game so far.

[Vedith]

Haha, unlucky DrDolittle!

I demand a 're roll

[Vedith]

I currently have more town reads than players.

[Vedith]

Wow, super scummy

[Vedith]

Wow, super scummy

Is this you agreeing with Lovebird's statement?

Yes I am locktowning Lover.

[Vedith]

Hi, im Vedith and this is my first game of Mafia.
I'm a little nervous so please go easy on me and don't vote me.

\o/

Also @Vedith, what are you doing with your vote right now?

Quick skim of your iso to this point looks like active lurking

I'm waiting for a hammer option. \o/
I'm new give me a chance!

[Vedith]

That's like four people now who've called me or one of my posts scummy without actually voting for me

I can't bring myself to voting for you!

[Vedith]

I said 2 and twice -.\

That was a duo usage.

[Vedith]

I'm waiting for a hammer option. \o/
I'm new give me a chance!

Did you have a follow up to this SSBM or did you just want to look productive? \o/

[Vedith]

I think Gamma might be Scum.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Gamma
Challenge me.

[Vedith]

Do you think he’s scum for completely ignoring the TemporalLich wagon or is something else pinging you?

Nothing to do with Lich.
I wasn't sure if his vote was serious or he was just trying to bait. But the fact he went for such a strange and unusual push from him then unvoted so easily means he's probably Scum.
Originally thinking when posting that i thought he was just hoping on a wagon against town, but I could see him using this to stop the pressure on Emp if they are buddies.

I'm also Gamma's best friend IRL so I think I know him spot on.

And as for Lich I like. Doesn't seem to care about risking being under pressure. And I did some research \o/ and since he is actually a newbie I would expect this.

[Vedith]

Do tell because I have only 2 townreads and I'm scumreading a lot more of the list.

Well at he point of post I had 17 town reads.
It's now 15.5 town reads

[Vedith]

Hopefully my last post explained things lol. Also I have a new mafiascum bestie and he ACTUALLY is really good at reading me.

It doesn't explain why you thought it was scummy originally though.
Who is this person?!?!? Are they in the game? I will lynch the fuck out of them!

Also im Gammas older brother and know him very well. You can trust me.

[Vedith]

FYI if you keep lying about relations to me I'm going to demote you from friend to acquaintance.

Just this game alone or in all games?

[Vedith]

Nothing is making me consider a change of vote thus far

That's fine I lynch all people that don't support my Gamma lynch.

[Vedith]

Gamma isn’t a D1 but I’m still leaning scum on her.

Why not a D1?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

\o/
Lets speed lynch this!

[Vedith]

Vedith, could you elaborate on your Lich town read? His behavior is not what I'd expect from a new player tbh so I'm not following your logic here

Before that, what do you expect from a new player?
As both aligns.

[Vedith]

I'd expect less confidence and "willingness to be under pressure" as you put it and more waffleing. As both alignments. I don't think the fact that he's a new player really impacts my read in this case.

Exactly. New scum generally get more worried about how they are read and votes on them.
Lico doesn't seem to care and that suggests to me to come from town over scum.
Even by your argument, Lico should be NAI here yet you have them as scum...

I'm helping \o/

[Vedith]

Vedith if ur gonna fight it I might accidentally Lynch you tomorrow

Are you actually expecting this to make me back down?

[Vedith]

lol

vedith u gonna die tomorrow

Doubtful.

[Vedith]

since he's not behaving like I would expect a new player of

either

alignment to act

That's called NAI.

[Vedith]

Yes... We're in agreement?

But yet you have them as scum...
So I don't think we are in agreement.

[Vedith]

No I'm just expressing it in advance so you don't QQ at me when it happens if I'm not dead

10/10 \o/

[Vedith]

I don't think them being new is AI.

My scum read is off their play putting aside the fact that they're new.

Your reason for town reading is the fact that they're new?

But you said the way they are playing isn't what you expect from either alignment?
So your reason for them as scum is their play, which you don't expect town or scum to do?!
I could just say, their play isn't scum. Which for a start it isn't.

[Vedith]

As a regular player, his play is scummy imo

What part makes it scummy?

[Vedith]

Mostly #76 being an extremely forced and awkward way to jump on the Emperor wagon, and then not reconsidering until directly called out on it in #167.

A "probably town" read 36 posts into the game also pings me, but it'll depend on what his reasoning is.

I don't see what's awkward about it.
Bad reason none the less but Bad no equal scum.

What's the difference of that vote to 18?
It seems that because more people mentioned 76 you jumped onto it?

[Vedith]

I'm having a hard time understanding/parsing your posts I think

18 is a worlds apart RVS post

I don't know what you mean about 76, it's the post that caught my attention and my vote

Still awkward.
It's about the play, not the timing, correct?

[Vedith]

No? Did you see what happened with my Emp vote? I'm simply less confident.

Who should I vote if not you, Gamma?

[Vedith]

@Gamma I’ve seen it both ways but okay

Ignore Gamma, you're doing great! \o/

[Vedith]

You've convinced me vedith

\o/

VOTE: Hopkirk

I don't see how Hopkirk expects his vote to help him get a better read on Gamma when he asked Gamma no questions about his actions

I don't think I'm against a Hopkirk speed lynch either.

[Vedith]

I had a tournament today so I might post later but I'm pretty mentally drained.

[Vedith]

@Vedith i do not read you as scum but if you're going to hard defend a wolf i will probably want you lynched sometime before endgame. nothing personnel, kid, but this is ick.

Considering we both know exactly how i'd react to this kind of comment. It makes me question your motives for doing so.

Lich townlock.

[Vedith]

I'm assuming Lich townlock is coming from you thinking RC has scum motivation behind making that comment, and because RC is trying to lynch TL you lock him.

You're still voting Gamma though if I'm not mistaken. Do you think they're scum together? What do you make of the motives for the other votes against TL, aside from RC's vote?

No, I'm doing it to spite RC.
Which RC knows I would, the reason to keep going on about it.

I haven't decided why.

Gamma and Dann for scum so far. I'm not wrong.

[Vedith]

you are wrongggg

Explain.

[Vedith]

my role pm has says im town

Nice convince there, I'm almost sold on it.

[Vedith]

Tomorrow we'er lynching you or Gamma.
Nice try adding DDL into it.

[Vedith]

Vedith, you seemed pretty set on town!lich. Does that flipping scum impact your reads at all? Or are you set?

Of course a Scum!Lich will alter my reads.
Reason i know I'm right here.

[Vedith]

My case on vedith is you can't let people get away with using completely uncalled for salt and personality grievances to jot vote wolves

Let's face it, you just don't like to be called out. \o/

[Vedith]

There's an SK in this game?

[Vedith]

No but this sounds like WIFOM don't you think?

I don't get it though, why did SK pop up instead of just Scum or against town?

[Vedith]

Let's be real here, RC is scum either way. RC doesn't even seem to appear to have any buddies so SK is somewhat more likely than Mafia.

RC being wrong doesn't mean Scum at all.
RC being wrong just means RC being wrong and having too much of an ego to understand.

I doubt Scum. I wouldn't even consider SK until evidence.

Why do you think that RC has no buddies?

[Vedith]

So there can't be a SK

[Vedith]

what if rcs are just right

Then you're right.
What if Vedith is right?

[Vedith]

about what?

a knee jerk townread on a slot that only exists because i called it scum?

I believe that you believe that's exactly what happened.

[Vedith]

okay good, there's no SK..so we can drop that..
vedith, what are you town reading TL for, please let the rest of us know..
with or without RC, i still believe TL is the scummiest..

It's just not realistic. They don't play like newbie Scum, they don't play like newbie town. Their actions up to this point can come from either align playing unexpectedly. The entire game pressure is on them and no where else. This means Scum is also pushing them or Scum are sitting back and letting town push it.
The reasons and voting are scuffed from Lich but I've seen enough games where players are lynched for this kind of shit and turn out town.

If Scum are sitting back then this is the easiest day 1 going for them.

[Vedith]

i dont think this is going to be a bad lynch anyway, even if TL is town..we can scrutinize those who were on TL's wagon, as it's quite unlikely for him to be lynched with an all-town bloc..(dont discount this though, it happened to me already)..

also, what makes you think he's not playing like newbie town or scum? i think he's playing a bit newbie scum, with the OMGUS vote on RC and the grasping at straws for emp as RC's buddy based on RVS..
RC made another good point..if TL thinks RC is scum, then it's fairly normal to look at his (TL's) wagon and try to see who might be scum in there..
there's also the stiff resistance from both you and yumeko, which usually indicates scum, but for this instance, im not sure what to make of you two yet..

I don't think the lynch will happen without Scum on it. I mean, Dann's on it. And I'm not sure how I feel on others yet.
A lynch isn't bad if it gives information.
Town!Lich here just means tomorrow we are most likely down 2 people and everyone goes well I followed RC.
I fail to see how that gives us information, how would it help with your reads though?

OMGUS is done enough by either align. And it's always a stupid reason for people to push a read. I see it in nearly every game.
Why would there have to be other Scum than RC on Lichs wagon when only 5 people voting?

Concerning me, I can tell you now I'm not worried on how you see my defending.

[Vedith]

if lich is town we'll most likely know what creature's alignment would be..though i still think at this point TL's scum..
if lich is scum, there's a good reason to suspect your slot and yumeko's..
also, i dunno how many scum are on lich's wagon, or even if there's any..so i concede my argument on this may not have been the sharpest..

What is Creature on a Town flip?

[Vedith]

also, it's an unfair rep to say that we just followed RC..i for one have a diff reason for finding him scummy, and that's because of TL's read on lovebird slot..which i've expressed already..
if you're concerned about that, why not grill other people on the lich wagon to sus out their reasons?

You might find it unfair, but I'm sure this is the reason tomorrow. Other that or "Lich posted like scum".

[Vedith]

creature isn't even in this game

I don't get it then?

[Vedith]

lich did post like scum though

and he's going to flip scum

Okay cool.

[Vedith]

i meant RC, not creature..

And what would RC be for you?

[Vedith]

what can you do to avoid this? i'm sure you can do something..
hint: it's in my post above..

Get confused which game I'm in?

[Vedith]

right now, RC is townie for me..
strongest town for me is kyouko though..
@pedit: yeah we're in two games together..and RC and creature seem to be posting with the same-ish style so im getting them a lil mixed up too.. :-s sorry bout that..both games are open in different tabs rn..

But what does a Town!Lich tell you about RC?

[Vedith]

copy-pasting what i wrote in 377:
if you're concerned about that, why not grill other people on the lich wagon to sus out their reasons?

Let me show you something.

@SSBM, Love and Dann go over your Lich Scum reasons again.

I have
SSBM - OMGUS, voting Gamma without reason or mentioning and not Scum hunting

Love - sheeping

Dann - Better lynch than Gamma

[Vedith]

it tells me RC was wrong..
also, it would tell me there's at least one scum on the wagon..though it's likely that it's not RC still..as he was the origin of the wagon and would take the heat..he's not exactly reserved about his call..
also, if lich turns out town, he'd either investigate creature or emp, or someone else he thinks has the scummiest reason for joining his wagon..(dann, me, kyouko et. al.)

You said if Lich is town it would show RCs alignment though and that would be the information that you gain.
But here you seem to not be sure on the alignment although your opinion wouldn't change?
So a Town!Lich gives no information to you?

What do you mean investigate? And on Emp or RC?

[Vedith]

anyway a town!lich would still narrow who scum is, by looking at his wagon..
in the same vein, is your vote on gamma because you think a gamma flip will be informative?

So what reads will a town flip give you?

For a start, I strongly, strongly believe Gamma is Scum.
A town flip makes me think Dann is Scum while a Scum flip makes me favour Dann as town as I don't think their paired actually.

[Vedith]

I think it's been laid out by RC pretty well so far.

@xwing
Pretty unfair on people voting, eh?

I'm going to bed.

[Vedith]

but i strongly believe in a scum!TL too..
btw before you sleep are you still scum reading me?

You keep avoiding it though.
What information does a town!Lich give you for tomorrow?

It's highly plausible that you're Scum yes.

[Vedith]

think you missed the next two paragraphs of my post but ok

I saw it, and will address it tomorrow.
My point is that blame is on RC from you when they flip town.

[Vedith]

what happens when they flip scum jw

I already answered this. Read back.
xwing said that town Lich gives a read on you and information. But the read on you stays the same and the information doesn't seem to exist.

[Vedith]

vedith why do you simultaneously think im town and that your reads are better than mine?

Because I know your ego. You don't like to look wrong, even more so if it's someone like me doing it.
And I think the part earlier where you were basically telling me to defend Lich by threatening to lynch knowing full well that I won't just stand there with that kind if threat is your way of doubting yourself. Because that's how your stubbornness works.
I'm sure tomorrow I'm just defending town because I know who's town.

[Vedith]

that's really trashy and you should die for saying it.

It's just that close to the truth huh?

[Vedith]

Vedith if ur gonna fight it I might accidentally Lynch you tomorrow

@Vedith i do not read you as scum but if you're going to hard defend a wolf i will probably want you lynched sometime before endgame. nothing personnel, kid, but this is ick.

Otherwise explain these.
You know exactly what I'm like so either I'm right and you're just trying to bait me into taking flakk or...?

[Vedith]

you aren't obligated to respect or like me but if you're going to towncase someone off of 'hey this other person is stupid arrogant and conceited and their scumread makes them town' then we have a problem

No, I town read you because what your saying should make sense and i want to trust youre not scum. I'm not respecting your opinion though because of how you're going about it. I've addressed multiple times that I don't trust your motive to set me up, but Scum you just out right ignores me right now or tries to lynch me.

i don't give a fuck what you're like vedith. i don't let people get away with hard defending scum for shit reasons. it raises my overall winrate even if it leads to lynching town on occasion. i warned you that this line of play wasn't going to go anywhere good and you chose to pretend like I made you or that I was intentionally goading you or some shit when i just want to lynch scum

Okay I get why you would want to lynch me, that's not the point I'm making. But what are you expecting by saying it? For you to say it you either expect me to react and vote with you (You know 100% I would never did this, and you know it even through the chances of me doing this out of the window) or are expecting me to look bad by defending regardless of flip.

[Vedith]

I expect to die n1 and I want town to understand exactly why it is that I want you dead.

Then tell the others and stop wasting both mine and your time by directing it to me.
Telling me you're going to lynch me tomorrow means fuck all.

Glad we cleared that shit up. I'm going back to bed.

[Vedith]

Sorry, im busy that night.

[Vedith]

I'm fine with that.

[Vedith]

i thought TL was town? why are you fine with a hammer on him now?

Doesn't matter. I'm wrong.

[Vedith]

Yumeko Jabami probably Scum. Maybe Gamma too.

[Vedith]

Why yumeko

Temporal Lich, Mafia Goon, was lynched Day 1.

Dannflor died during the night. He was a Town JOAT (1-PT Cop, 1-Doctor, 1-Commuter)

I'm a miller!

Doesn't match up so far.

[Vedith]

Can you clarify this? To me this seems more aligned with Yumeko being town since that scum fabricating miller claim requires knowledge of there being a cop role but in normals cops are not typically seen.

Why would there be a Miller with a PT cop?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Yumeko

[Vedith]

Probably a Wednesday

[Vedith]

Disagree

[Vedith]

Don't get me wrong, im not good with mechanics but i can't see this matching up.
But yes agree to disagree I guess.

And I'm not in a disagree as much about Hopkirk and Yumeko but I'm still thinking about Hopkirk

[Vedith]

ssbm hasn't posted since day start either

Hasn't been on site for 4 days either.

[Vedith]

I further theorize that he doesn't want to push me for my interactions with Lich for fear of being labeled a hypocrite himself

Well that's a given.
I disagree with what you said though about setup. I do not ever see 1shot PT cop being in the game with a Miller claim as the counter.
There's more I want to discuss on this later and to why I think you claimed Miller.

[Vedith]

hey vedith you think it's a an informed goon that's why?

No not that, plus I think it would say he was informed?
So Lich never once mentioned Yumeko. Originally I was wondering if they were connected and there was no reason to talk to/about Yumeko.
To me it suggests that Yumeko is not being mentioned for a reason. That's because there's 2 scum and a traitor. Yumeko is a traitor.
I thought it was reaching but with the whole "The PT cop would show I'm not scum" shit makes me strongly believe this. I think the positives for scum outweigh the negatives for claiming Miller. Also explains the lack of interaction to prevent focus about the claim.

[Vedith]

Assuming that means it was a fake claim, it just means PoE from here.

[Vedith]

Not really in the mood for Mafia right now I'll force myself to do something later.

[Vedith]

Mary I'm walking to hear you out here. What if Yumeko didn't consider a flavored crumb? I think you have a point but it could be that Yumeko wasn't 100% in the zone to do that.

I don't understand what you're asking Mary here?

[Vedith]

I'm asking why they think Yumeko would have considered what she did about flavored crumbing.

Surely that's irrelevant as if town, yes, if scum the answer remains the same?

[Vedith]

Slaxx has been on but not flip.

[Vedith]

Why does it matter if Mary flips scum lol

[Vedith]

I thought it was a stretch until Yumeko used the PT cop as way to be town with a Miller role.

Im pretty tired so I'll focus here later but I want to discuss directly with Gamma or Hopkirk
RC kill makes sense here but I suspect it was more aimed to try and get Chen the blame.
I don't like Chen as Scum here at all.

[Vedith]

I had an important interview today sorry.
I will be posting today with thoughts.

[Vedith]

Hopkirk has played with me before as Scum here I even day vigged my team mate for credit.
I don't see what Hopkirk is saying as bad.

If we lynch Gamma today I'll probably need to be the lynch tomorrow in the case of Gamma town. Mary said it, RC said it and I'll just be easy pushed in LyLo if it happens.
RC read me as town as I read him as town but players that know me enough know that 3p LyLo I'm very weak, and I think this is what RC was getting at.

The kill on Lovebird looks to Gamm. And less of a setup because Gamma was ever the direct next target. Chen was and taking RC out of the game and pushing for Chen Scum is 2 birds 1 stone.
I don't think Hopkirk ever kills Lovebird over RC night 2. He also doesn't kill RC when RC wants to lynch Chen today.

I town read xwing greatly for not only their posts and reads but for positions on lynches and reasons.
DDL Scum just pushes me here today or Chen i think and I'd be overall shocked if not town. I can't remember how DDL Scum plays but he reads town.
Nips is never Scum after day 1 from how TL pushed him. I think Scum might have forgot about this part and have him down as a mis lynch, but it's always a town slot.
Chen I covered.

So that leaves Gamma.

Gamma give me a read on those 5 please.
I know you have been really busy so your activity although not what I favour really can't be in account here.

[Vedith]

@vedith, can you help explain the lovebird kill pointing to gamma again, please?
also, why do you think hop doesn't kill lovebird over RC etc.?

As DDL said, Lovebird had Gamma as Scum.
RC pushed 2 Scum day 1 and 2. There is no reason to not remove that threat unless you are under direct pressure else where.
Hopkirk has played enough with RC to know what he's capable of I'm sure.

I want Gamma to give reads first though.

[Vedith]

I don't see it Gamma. I see that you're not in the town list if that's what you're talking about?

But what are your reads on the players here?

[Vedith]

I think your reasons to not lynch you are decent

?

[Vedith]

VOTE: mary

U know that wasn't hammer lol

Ok

VOTE: Mary

VOTE: Slaxx

just in case its a fake hammer

That's just a mod mistake, Chen isn't lying.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Gamma

L1. This looks to be Gamma giving up.

[Vedith]

I don't think Hopkirk is Scum anyway.
I don't think you and xwing ever flip Scum either.

I'm going to 're read the game mainly RCs ISO. I'm thinking lynching me then lynching DDL 3p tomorrow just wins it but I'll see if anything pops out first.

[Vedith]

Don't rush the day I'm 're reading all once I get to my PC.

[Vedith]

I think Hopkirk is town.

[Vedith]

I want to see things first.
With this player list there's a reason RC wasn't killed earlier.

I'm hoping my boss leaves soon and MS isn't banned here at work.

[Vedith]

Not at all. RC flips his reads pretty easily at times.
Plus it would only result in a Mary lynch more than likely too. And I think Scum Hopkirk kills RC sooner than later.

[Vedith]

is xwing still lock town?

Yeah xwing is my strongest town read, even when me and RC were mind melding given the stance xwing took each day.

[Vedith]

Looks like its blocked that's a shame.
I'll get to my PC about 11:30pm uk

[Vedith]

Well I know Hopkirk has played a lot and I assume you have with RC?
I've played with RC more than any other player ive played with and he's the only player to even know my secret alt account because he can read me nearly every game (nearly).
People claim RCs biggest trait is tricking people as Scum, but he's a lot better at finding Scum than tricking people he's Scum.

The time RC was killed makes no sense for Chen Scum because it's too obvious. But given day 1 Yumeko was marked as a possible lynch option for RC why would Scum kill Dann over RC? Surely they expected Yumeko or even myself as the Traitor.

[Vedith]

I don't think you would be posting right now as Scum tough and just let others talk it out.

[Vedith]

This is going to drive me insane.

[Vedith]

I should have just replaced out day 1

[Vedith]

What's your current thought process, xwing?
I keep reading over Yumeko but there's reason (which is completely different reasoning) for DDL or Hopkirk.

[Vedith]

if we're wrong, then we're wrong, it's fine as long as we did our best..
fwiw, i think you're town, vedith..
my prime suspects are hop and ddl..
do remember though, RC got ssbm/chen as the primary bus suspect on the tl wagon..

Thanks xwing I do appreciate it.

Normally it's not so bad but day 1 I felt so defeated and was considering replacing out because I'll admit it, I was being a stubborn prick an just trying to go against RC in the end of day 1 instead of working with him.

I honestly think I'll feel like utter shit if it goes to LyLo and I pick wrong or get lynched.

I don't see you or Chen ever flipping Scum here. I don't think RC would lynch Chen here either.

[Vedith]

why dont you read TL instead

I'll do that now.
And Chen Im confident enough to say I would lynch over you and Hop.

[Vedith]

Emperor, Dannflor, DrDolittle, and Gamma all register as "potentially scum" to me.

Given how TL was about DDL Scum, I would expect him to take the same approach as he did with Yumeko and not address them or read them. At least not as Scum.

I think the early comments on DDL are favoured to DDL town considering the rest here flipped town.

[Vedith]

With 4 names?

[Vedith]

TL is a new player I don't know if he would use tactics that are common or standard.
Why are you trying to make me doubt you? :/

[Vedith]

That should say wouldn't not would sorry

[Vedith]

860 is always town.

I like the reads on all 3. I'm thinking DDL is stronger town for me than Hopkirk.
I want to see what Hopkirk says too though.

[Vedith]

@Vedith: What's your read on Chen, 851/2 sound like they're saying he's your top scumread and he's a townread. Thinking one of those is poor phrasing.

That Should say wouldn't lynch.
I town read Chen

[Vedith]

Hop is 're reading right?

[Vedith]

Then worth seeing what he says

[Vedith]

Vedith what do you think about everyone suddenly turning on you?

Turning on me isn't the term I'd use.

[Vedith]

Maybe you get absolved of lylo responsibilities and that's cool right?

I'm stuck with who's Scum anyway, so I'm fine with that. Even more so if I'm Scum read for LyLo.
I'll give a final post on my thoughts later then we can just lynch me.

[Vedith]

I got half way through my post yesterday, I'll finish it tonight after work.

[Vedith]

Day 1

TemporalLich

(7):

RadiantCowbells

(77), ssbm_Kyouko (90),

Lovebird

(92),

Dannflor

(294), xwing (356), Hopkirk (446),

Gamma Emerald

(502)

Radiant Cowbells

(2):

Yumeko Jabami

(247),

TemporalLich

(303)
Hopkirk (1):

Mary Saotome

(254)
DrDolittle(1):

Emperor flippyNips

(157)

Gamma Emerald

(1): Vedith (104)

Yumeko Jabami

(1): DrDolittle (278)

Players reads

Dead
Dann - Nips town / TL scum 79 Gamma scum 235 SSBM town / Yumeko scumlean / DDL scum lean / Lovebird scum lean (but a lot less?) 403 Vedith Town lean 472
Lovebird - Mary town 228 Nips / SSBM / Yumeko town? 233 Xwing town 419
Mary - Dann scum 112 Nips / Vedith town 118 Hop scum 254 Gamma / DDL scum lean [/post]255[/post] Xwing town 475
RC - TL scum 77 Vedith town lean / Yumeko scum 259 Xwing / Lovebird 421
Nipps - SSBM / Hopkirk / Gamma / TL scum lean Dann / Yumeko town lean 145 DDL scum lean 157
Gamma - Yumeko scum 283 Hopkirk / Mary town lean 284 Vedith Town lean 445

Scum
TL - Lovebird town lean 83 Dann / DDL / Gamma scum lean 161 RC scum 303 Nips Gamma scum lean 495
Yumeko - DDL scum lean 37 RC scum 247 TL town? 320

Alive
SSBM - TL scum 90 Hopkirk scum 198 Nips/Dann town 220 RC town 342
Hopkirk - Lovebird town lean 139 Gamma / Lich scum lean 140
Xwing - Dann town / Vedith scum / RC town Lich scum 267 Mary town 272 SSBM town / DDL town 297 RC/Vedith town 461
DDL - SSBM town 276 Yumeko scum [ppost]278[/post]

The Dann kill only favours DDL going by these kills, but I'm assuming it was a kill from being stronger player and not being scum read.
Yumeko was pushing DDL as scum, although short (only 4 posts by Yumeko day 1) I don't see Yumeko ever doing this while also defending TL.
SSBM is on early to the TL wagon and has strong attitude to lynching there.
Xwing showed that they were going to be voting there and did after realising the VC. The questioning on me calling TL town is a huge town tell too.
Hopkirk looks to be showing interest in TL lynch but trying else where. The time he votes to put to L1 he says to hammer for town points which is pretty LAMIST 446
DDL voting Yumeko could be because they he doesn't realise Yumeko is traitor.

The part that stands out the most is this

If Lich were scum, I'd suspect his buddies would be trying to help him out here

As the miller claim was most likely to make the scum aware, it looks like a comment to try and shade off the wagon if it comes to it.

Day 2

Yumeko Jabami

(6): Vedith (555), xwing (560), DrDolittle (602),

Lovebird

(619),

Emperor flippyNips

(621),

Yumeko Jabami

(624)

Gamma Emerald

(1): Hopkirk (508)

Lovebird

(1):

Gamma Emerald

(615)
Not Voting (3): ssbm_Kyouko,

Mary Saotome

,

RadiantCowbells

Player reads

Dead
Lovebird - Gama scum 519 Hopkirk scum lean 520 Nips/xwing/Vedith/SSBM/DDL/RC town 603
Mary - N/A
RC - xwing strong town / Lovebird town / Vedith Gamma town lean 569 Mary scum 586
Nips - N/A
Gamma - Lovebird scum 615

Scum
Yumeko - RC town / SSBM town / xwing town / Lovebird town / Hopkirk town / Vedith scum 573

Alive
Chen - Not in game yet
xwing - Yumeko / Hopkirk scum read / Vedith town? SSBM town 549
DDL - Hopkirk scum 509
Hopkirk - Mary / Gamma scum 508 Yumeko scum lean 512

So a few things to take into day 2. The position that xwing takes on the wagon is always a plus. Listened to both me and RC and and didn't push away from it.
I also had 2 comments stick from day 2 which were

i choose yumeko as the scummier one (i explicitly said i think vedith is annoying town)..seems a lot of fluff..vedith seems genuine in his frustration, i felt a bit bad for him when he threw in the towel on defending lich..

As scum there's no reason to say this, and just instead ignore the matter all together or even shade it.

hey vedith you think it's a an informed goon that's why?

This comment from DDL doesn't make sense as scum. Unless he was trying to mis lead me into saying something, bringing up a role that states when flipped as your team means most likely not scum.

Hopkirk doesn't join the wagon, but it's NAI imo dure the how short the day was.
DDL jumps on pretty early, again a strong possition and having another scum lynched day 2 would basically mean it's over for scum.
Chen wasn't in the game day 2 NAI

My next point is about the town list Yumeko gave. Yumeko was probably suspecting their post to get me focus or lynched so I think the final scum would be called town here.
The 3 players are SSBM / xwing and Hopkirk. DDL isn't added and going by day 1, I'm not sure why Yumeko ever does this. DDL should be considered very strong town with this.

The kill on Lovebird favours Hopkirk here as an overall.

Day 3

Mary Saotome

(5): xwing (640), hopkirk (661),

Mary Saotome

(710),

RadiantCowbells

(711), Chennisden (730),

Not Voting (4):

Emperor Flippynips

, Vedith, DrDolittle,

Gamma Emerald

,

Player reads

Dead
Mary - nips/xwing/Vedith/DDL town / Hopkirk/Chen/Gamma/RC scum (in order) 649 Changed to nips/xwing/Gamma/DDL town / Hopkirk/Chen/Vedith/RC scum (in order) 713
RC - Mary scum 664 Chen scum lean 715 Vedith/DDL scum lean 717
Nips - N/A
Gamma - N/A

Alive
Chen - Mary scum 669
xwing - N/A
DDL - Mary scum 635
Hopkirk - Mary scum 723

I don't take too much from Day 3 other than I like Chen's entrance and DDL voting/unvoting on Mary looks town thinking.
The kill on RC makes sense from any side and I don't see it as Chen making the kill to not be the lynch.

Day 4

Gamma Emerald

(4): Hopkirk (745), chennisden (798), Vedith (803), DrDolittle (804)
chennisden (1): Gamma Emerald (800)

Not Voting (2): xwing,

Emperor flippyNips

Player reads

Dead
Nips - Hopkirk scum 763
Gamma - Hopkirk scum lean 789 DDL town lean 779 Chen scum? 808

Alive
Chen - Gamma scum 783
xwing - Chen town Hopkirk/Gamma scum lean 746 Vedith town DDL/Chen town lean? 747
DDL - Gamma scum 774 Hopkirk scum lean 787
Hopkirk - Gamma scum 748 DDL / Vedith scum lean 755

The nips kill favours Hopkirk as scum here, as it's mild enough I guess not to be a setup compared to Chen/RC.
Not really anything that stands out to me for day 4

I now have the following reads.

DDL

- DDL actually looks to be a locktown for me now. I would have expected him to at least shade today when others were. He's been consistent all game, Yumeko was pushing him as scum and excluded from the town list. The only night kills that suit DDL scum would be Dann, although not very likely, because even if suspected a PR DDL would not have been the check/visit majority of the time. RC kill, but that benefits everyone. Lovebird had DDL as town, a kill here is worthless and Nips never had DDL as scum, but instead looking at Hopkirk.

xwing

- This is my second town lock. voting has been 100% pro town. The pushing and questioning look fully town motivated and again, the only kill that makes sense from xwing would be RC, which suits everyone imo. As pointed out above I don't think xwing ever calls me town for me pushing TL as town.

Chen

- Although I argue killing RC is good for anyone as scum, Chen killing RC just means most likely lynched anyway. Even more so with Mary's lynch order as RC could have just gone against that. I think strong posting and both Dann and Lovebird had SSBM as town.

Hopkirk

- Hopkirk is scum here. The TL vote was late and played off as a town move by himself. Both Lovebird and nips pinned him as scum potential. In fact, majority of players other than TL and Yumeko have had Hopkirk suspected as scum and have been lynched or NK. Pushing DDL as scum and mainly from POE while trying to shade onto me and Chen. Scum don't want to go to LyLo with town read potential because it limits them to vote or make a reason.

For Chen posting about me not voting my team mate, I've just had to use this as an example a few days ago, but here are my last 5 scum games minus a solo scum game and one I recently finished where it had hidden mechanics.

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=71753

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=73108

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=72847

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=72441

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=72196

You shouldn't see me not voting scum as a scum tell.
I am known for bussing/lynching my own team mates and even day killed my scum buddy in the past for town credit.
I'm also never going to out myself day 1 to a game where RC is town. RC knows how I play and this is why he town read me, just didn't like how I acted day 1.

I've changed my mind after reading all of this and I don't want to be the lynch.
Hopkirk is the scum here and majority of players have seen this.

If I've missed off any reads or posted wrong, feel free to let me know but I have read the entire game over twice and each persons ISO individually.

VOTE: Hopkirk

[Vedith]

Nice gambit there.
So I'm a 1shot BP and unless Chen was a vig which o doubt that clears me as confirmed town alone.

VOTE: DDL

[Vedith]

I'll mark this down as another game I get DDLs read wrong \o/

[Vedith]

mfw when we win on a DDL lynch \o/

[Vedith]

I give you an A for effort here DDL.

[Vedith]

I give you an A for effort here DDL.

LOL @me putting in effort this game

I'll admit, your confidence almost made me think Chen was Scum.
So nice try DDL. \o/

[Vedith]

I'm sure you have plenty of fake crumbs for all situations.
Why would you be trying to get me to self vote if Chen was your mason partner?
Chen just hammer DDL for playing like LAMIST

[Vedith]

You can show me anything you like. I know you're Scum here \o/

[Vedith]

I respect you even though you're a naughty Dr. Probably selling tablets on the side.

[Vedith]

I'm too old to listen to this rap music

[Vedith]

Thanks for the game all and well done town \o/
Thanks for modding Slaxx was a fun but stressful game.

I had Chen as a PR (thought mason) but doubted myself and was worried about a BP instead last night. It was this post that gave it away for me

wouldnt be so sure im eating rope!

I feel like I slacked a lot after day 2 but I think that was down to the momentum of the game as a whole.

Thanks TL and Yumeko for being great Scum buddies \o/

[Vedith]

^ Yup

If one of us is killed the other outs as Mason and kills Ved

I said night 3 (I think) if I don't find the masons it was over.
Every target from night 2 other than RC was aimed for Masons overall.
I even tried to convince myself to play as not looking for masons day 5 as it was doing my head in.

[Vedith]

You'll see my thought process in the PT but I was trying to sort what was likely in the game.
I felt that 2 Scum and a traitor, with only Dann flipping PR meant there had to be more roles and the masons were a great balance to it.

[Vedith]

I killed Dann as I was thinking PR and felt he would have most likely checked me or protected RC if he was.
So that was a lucky kill that then gave me the information to lynch Yumeko.

[Vedith]

I also posted more in the mafia PT than in here.
So there's that.

[Vedith]

Happy for PT to be released too.

[Vedith]

oh i just realized PT cop is private topic cop
not part time cop as you guys said in thread cause he's one shot...

[Vedith]

wish I'd done more this game but

a win is a win! \o/

I think you did a good job day 1 \o/

[Vedith]

I was considering it to be fair.

[Vedith]

But it looks like the game was decided at that point anyway.

[Vedith]

Exactly it made no difference.