Open 749 | Vengecop - Over!

[Vedith]

Hi Dann \o/
I have a theory that RVS should be done after 4 real days. Anyone up for this?

Also im town there is no doubt.

[Vedith]

Any RVS beyond 24 hours is excessive imo. What’s your plan for helping to make that happen?

Well I thought if We solve the game first then do RVS?

[Vedith]

I agree with you. If im lynched I'm just picking who I think best.

[Vedith]

Oh... I'm not doing that.

[Vedith]

Because I'm going to give a town or Scum if lynched.
You're idea, if I'm reading right is to try and control the night kill on basically a player who is playing bad in the town's eyes.
No.

[Vedith]

Actually I changed my mind I like this idea.
Originally thinking Scum would just ignore that person but by the 2nd night if 2 are confirmed town it actually does force their hand.
So I'm okay to do this. I suspect that there will be players who just won't though.

[Vedith]

I'll probably play the game only the way it is supposed to be played: through normal scumhunting.

Scum hunting in 2019

[Vedith]

I have creature as locktown in the hopes he Town reads me

[Vedith]

HURT: Draco Lucky

[Vedith]

I think Xwing is Scum.

[Vedith]

I'm helping \o/

[Vedith]

I think Xwing is Scum.

why?

-u2

Trying to end fun RVS time and trying to look town!

[Vedith]

Hopefully this gimmick alt won't cause more trouble than this.

In for a treat

[Vedith]

I don’t like this take at all

Exactly! It's very scummy of them To do!

[Vedith]

PP lockedtown because rainbow reads only by town \o/

[Vedith]

No, I don’t like your take on his actions. He’s trying too look Town by moving RVS along but you opened the game advocating for short RVS? Doesn’t really line up well to me.

Oh hi PP

No this is not what you think.
You think that xwing is Scum.

[Vedith]

Why don't you vote it?

I've decided day 1 I will only hammer!

[Vedith]

who decides?

I nominate Dann

[Vedith]

Hopefully I can reveal scum

Did it work?

[Vedith]

Wont know till I reveal them duh doy

As long as you town read me, that's all that matters anyway.

[Vedith]

unlike this funny guy here

I like compliments!
You can be town \o/

[Vedith]

If Molla goes to 5 votes I hammer!

[Vedith]

what do you think of vedith?

Word this carefully Dann! This could be the start of a great friendship!

[Vedith]

That moment when

When what? Just answer the question.

[Vedith]

Molla is townlock too

[Vedith]

Xwing Draco Overkill
That's where I'm at.

[Vedith]

We should lynch Draco a d if Draco town Draco then picks xwing.

[Vedith]

Molla town

[Vedith]

@vedith: why is bb town for you?

Because I believe when he was L2 scum were on him using poor reason to justify a vote.
Scum are more likely to be aware of all posts in that sense too. Town!molla has less reason to care.

Keep in mind, scum lose out more for focusing town hard in this game, but really want to look town.

Molla votes
Worm votes
both RVS

You vote while making main focus point to your answers.

Dann votes and pushes the focus on being because of what you say.

Micc votes with high focus.

This suggests scum is most likely Dann followed by you.

[Vedith]

@xwing
But all town are PRs. Scum!Molla never brings that attention to the table.

By focus I mean pushing attention to a player for what you believe/portray as scummy.
Dann in 78
" I like

your

response"
"I'll join

you

on BBMolla"

This is basically using you to say he agrees but to not be the primary pusher.

VOTE: Dannflor

[Vedith]

Something we can agree on.

[Vedith]

I'm confused on this train of thought, when did Molla bring town PRs to attention

I follow your case on me, I'm not following why you think it makes xwing scum as well

Your issue is focus and I agree my vote was lazier. But xwing was focused on BB in their vote? I'm not sure what the difference is in your mind behind xwing's questioning and Micc's statement

No, im saying that we have PRs so Molla wouldn't bring attention to himself.

I'm saying that Scum was voting Molla when at L2. I'm not saying xwing and you are Scum, im saying I believe there's Scum within you 2. Most likely you for what I already said.

Difference with xwing and Micc is Micc is only set on Molla.

[Vedith]

basically you're suspecting dann for sheeping my vote on bb?
dann also followed me to overkill..how does that affect your reads on both of us?
also, scum!molla can be gambiting for all we know..i need more from him to sort, im not convinced of him being town..null at best for now..null/scum for me..

overkill's wall post was very underwhelming..i expected him to at least give a read on all the active players..

No, I suspect him for using you as the reason for his vote.
It didn't make me change my mind who Dann is voting. Overkill isn't pinging me as Scum. An underwhelming and empty post doesn't mean Scum. What benefit does he gain as Scum with such a bad post? The same as town, fuck all. It's pointless but it's NAI.

As for Molla, you are correct. He could be playing a naughty Scum prank on us. But then I could have wings and fly around at night protecting my city.
It's just not realistic.

[Vedith]

Don't get me wrong. I don't think a vote on Overkill is bad.
And i would lynch the slot over keeping with what I have.

I really didn't like Danns response to me though and I feel he was intentially mis reading what I was saying.

[Vedith]

Could argue that appearing overly townie is this game could result in a pre LYLO check out of paranoia. Not always true, but powerwolfing in this setup could end badly

True. But less likely.

[Vedith]

Overkill has 2 Scum on the wagon if town.

[Vedith]

And I don't think it's xwing

[Vedith]

Lol?

[Vedith]

But worms don't kill!

[Vedith]

How disappointing.

[Vedith]

I never liked how you play the drums, if we're being personal here!

[Vedith]

Okay I'm sorry.

[Vedith]

Because I need to kill PP tonight!

[Vedith]

More likely town by the wagon.
Plus DT didn't even post.

[Vedith]

It was rushed. More likely to be town over scum.

[Vedith]

Of course it does. My point is that not all players had a chance to do stuff rather than DT directly posting.
Shows that it was rushed therefore AI

[Vedith]

His posting reminded me of the last game I played with him where he was godfather (Open 742), but that's not really strong enough to get a good read so...I dunno?

I'll check it out during the night.

[Vedith]

I'll bet you he flips scum

stakes: loser posts one new thread in GD with title and content of winner's choice. nothing bannable

Okay!
If we're allowed to do this friendly wager of course.

[Vedith]

I wonder what site rules say about wagers.

There's something, I'll check first but I assume this is okay. \o/

[Vedith]

I enjoy Dr Worm for quality content

[Vedith]

I think Scum was voting Overkill early on.
Maybe Draco, less likely Dann.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Draco

[Vedith]

Hi RC \o/

[Vedith]

What makes you think scum was voting him early on? It feels like there was bussing to me, but later in the wagon.

The earlier votes were safer.
The push at the end doesn't seem like Scum would rush and lynching Scum D1 in this game type is tragic for Scum.

The kill on Creature also favours Draco for scum imo.

Why do you think it was later?

[Vedith]

Well, the only people not voting was me, you and RC.
I know I'm not Scum, I highly doubt you're not Scum, even more so from the kill.

So RC slot is null but could be Scum.
Molla is town all day for me. Maybe Scum on early and late if RC is town.

[Vedith]

RC is town.

Maybe.
You not dying is NAI. And DT was obviously NAI.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Draco
Actually I don't know about Draco

[Vedith]

Do you mean put my vote back on Draco?

[Vedith]

I wait.

[Vedith]

I also don't think scum pushes on me using something as complex as his specific meta with both me and xwing and then backs off of it so easily.

What push?

[Vedith]

Mostly his whole progression on me is ??? coming from scum.

Wait, what?

[Vedith]

I'm on phone but I don't see the push. Can you quote all the comments Draco makes against or to you?

[Vedith]

Wait, what?

He used a game that had just finished with both me and xwing in it to push on me because the behavior seemed different here as opposed to then. It was a very specific moment he was talking about and doesn't seem like something scum would think of to arbitrarily push on me. Even if he did pick something like that to push me for, I don't know why he basically drops it a bit later, especially when other people (like you) were voicing suspicion on me

He made 1 post about it. How is that a push?

[Vedith]

It call it someone voting for you. But okay.
As RC said, why is he obvious town?
Why can't Scum vote someone using meta and then move on to something else?

[Vedith]

His whole ISO is active sorting and questioning. Nothing I've seen from that has felt contrived or like it was pushing some agenda either

I didn't read this part.
Wouldn't town push with an agenda?

[Vedith]

Not sure if it's because it's nearly 3am but I do t know Wtf RC is saying in some posts.
Is this fluff?!

[Vedith]

Town just wants to scum hunt and town hunt, I guess you could call that an agenda. His posts don't ping as contrived in that sense, it feels like he's actively sorting people.

What specifically pings you guys about his posts?

I don't see what you're trying to get at and think it's a weak reason to have as high town. Which posts in particular did you like? Because I see half the posts as not useful or no follow up.

Well, creature mentioned Dracos play before death for a start.
The whole I bet town after the hammer could have been going for town credit so easily,
The reason I say this is Draco never showed certain read of Scum until after the hammer. And the push was pretty weak and hardly existent anyway.

266 had me at what at the time as it was poor commenting.

But I'm not sure yet.

[Vedith]

Micc
Vedith
BBmolla
PP
RC

[Vedith]

hm also Creature was one of the people who voted Micc yesterday and was still on him at the end of the day

Might not mean much but I don't remember Creature being super widely town read or anything

Dann Scum actually.
Maybe Draco and Dann.

I'll think.

[Vedith]

vedith i would have respected the shit out of u if it weren't for the fact u ended up unvoting

I'm not in a rush.

[Vedith]

i doubt it's both of them right now

honestly i think it's draco and micc and they're crossvoting but im less sure on micc

I was wondering if Scum would use Creature voting Micc as reason for Micc Scum.

[Vedith]

Would you like to talk about any of these or just like nah?

You think we're scum. Who is our partner? Who are you confident is town?

-U2

Sure.
For a start, why is RC Scum? Keeping in mind you obviously spoke about it during the night. You came to the conclusion that a spot that hasn't posted isn't town.

I'm confident that Molla is town.

[Vedith]

don't think it's a strong reason

missed that Creature was down on Draco, that's a good point, Creature didn't do a bunch else

If Creature doubted both Micc and Draco and both are Scum the actually RC could be onto something.
I'd lynch Draco over Micc atm though

[Vedith]

I'm confident that Molla is town.

something I actually agree with Vedith on

\o/

[Vedith]

We have RC in our PoE, and frankly it would be absurd to not have the 0 post count slot in a poe. We've had him as possible scum by poe since like my first reads list. Not sure why there is confusion here. Are you town reading RC?

It's more of a laughing matter.
So explain to me on all of the town reads. Since you have spent time discussing this.
Did you both agree with each others reads?

Well I don't dislike what RC is saying. Plus, Scum will have to deal with him sooner than later as town so I'm not worried.

[Vedith]

RC, I would like your thoughts on rainbow reads in general.

I would also like to know if you want to be #00FF00 in my rainbow reads.

PP we should do them at the same time.
But tomorrow as I had doing it via phone!

[Vedith]

I said town reads.
Why are xwing Dann wormface and who ever else town?

[Vedith]

and it was pretty obv!scum.

Why was it pretty obvious?
At what point in day1 before the lynch do you state or imply it's obvious Scum?

[Vedith]

Xwing - First of all slaxx town reads Xwing on play, and I lean town here, too. Also, we really don't see that first slot on the OK wagon being a bus.
Dann - Townier as the day went on. We read him as town, and we think that he is unlikely to make the vote on his partner at that time. Slight exception if his play d1 was to just follow xwing around, and he got on OK as a result of that play, but this is paranoid.

Dr. Worm feels town. His thought processes, where they are evident are townie. Getting reactions from Vedith and PP around the hammer felt town.

Lol wut?

So you both had the same reads?
Or did you disagree on any? Were the reasons the same?

[Vedith]

in my first read list I emphasize - repeatedly - how scummy I thought OK was. I was in no way ambiguous. Dann just quoted it for you this evening. Like, hello?

No you didn't.
At no point are you showing 100% confidence that Overkill is Scum until after the hammer.

[Vedith]

We had a fairly long discussion, and I am expressing the consensus opinion that resulted.

So you didn't agree on reads originally?

[Vedith]

Not necessarily incorrect, but we were some 3 days into the game and I doubt scum thought that was a serious wagon for a lynch.

[Vedith]

Lol even after the hammer i wasn't 100% confident. Who is ever 100% confident? He was obv!scum, though, and I was very confident from my first read list.

But you were 100% confident after the hammer.

[Vedith]

We had some disagreements but we worked them out in couple's counseling. I'm not going to go through our entire discussion. You have our reads.

Okay I don't want all, but did you disagree with any of the town reads?

[Vedith]

I'll bet you he flips scum

This is confidence right here.

[Vedith]

Okay. I'm going to bed anyway like I should have 2 hours ago.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Draco

[Vedith]

Draco is throwing shade onto me, just saying that Scum reads are wrong for obnoxious reasoning and making no attempt to push Micc.

If anyone thinks this deserves a town read let alone townlock, it doesn't.

[Vedith]

For a start that post isn't consistent with what you already said today.
Secondly you have had plenty of time to fake posting and given post count is generally not allowed from PTs I suspect it's all fake and typed out.

[Vedith]

Oh I mis read the numbers as when you were discussing them not that you were discussing in game post.

[Vedith]

Vedith - vedith's play from xwing's vote up to 220, ignoring the wall and then defending overkill are slightly scum indicative. 241 and 241 are a really weird interaction for scum!OK to have with Scum!Vedith. It's not impossible though. Also off the wagon, and it was pretty obv!scum.

Lowest priority target

This doesn't make sense to the reads you posted. Why am I lowest priority when you think PP is only Scum If Micc is town?

[Vedith]

But if you're more confident that Micc is Scum then PP should be lower than me.
Otherwise it looks like you're just trying to line up lynches on town.

[Vedith]

Okay, here's a question.
On a town flip from me PP and Micc who is most likely to cop you?

[Vedith]

Morning

[Vedith]

Okay agreed.
I'm in a state where id be confident to.

[Vedith]

It's 2am but rainbow read lists are important and to be taken very serious!
I will get onto my PC I'm a moment.

[Vedith]

You okay RC?

[Vedith]

I'm ready! \o/
I go first!

[Vedith]

RC

BBMolla

PenguinPower

xwing

Dr Worm

Dannflor

Micc

Draco

This is very accurate!

[Vedith]

Although I think I chose wrong green on Molla!

[Vedith]

I don't understand how anyone reads Worm.

[Vedith]

so just to clarify

you both think that we are scum with Micc?

-U2

I think you have the most chance to flip scum. Not sure if together or not.

[Vedith]

I think me and PP just won the game \o/

[Vedith]

Okay night all.

[Vedith]

is the reason for choosing vedith secret for now? will you be revealing it anytime soon? is there something i should know about a rainbow list that's AI?

Me and PP are rainbow list friends!
We did it together to see if our reads match and personally it helps me with what alignment I think PP might be. I'm not sure if that's the same for PP.

And because we are both very very cool. \o/

[Vedith]

idk are you sure it wouldn't be a

micclynch

ba dum tsh

Should lynch this.

[Vedith]

I'm not sure why Town would get worried about being lynched this early with the setup.
Draco seems more worried about being lynched imo and that's scummy.

[Vedith]

Hi. I plan to be here tonight but I have some other stuff to do first. sorry

[Vedith]

Micc is L2?

[Vedith]

If Micc is Scum I think Scum have given up.

[Vedith]

Sure.
Let's talk about Molla?

[Vedith]

Okay that's fair.
1 - I have rarely ever been in a game with Molla where he details his posts.
2 - the self vote should be NAI on its own if not town (part 3 to continue this). Do you think he voted and put Overkill to L1 because he suspected Overkill to be lynched quickly?
3 - this is hard to say. Sometimes I'll do something for a reaction by look later at it. I'm not overly sure if that's what Molla did or not. The problem is there was so little information at that point faking looking at the reaction would have been so easy. I don't see what Scum Molla gets out of this?
4 - let's face it, chances are I'm Scum knowing he's town or he's Scum. But really, I can understand the the connection doubts. What do think about PP having Molla in bottom 3?

[Vedith]

Yeah I guess it could have been a good opportunity to hop on.
I just see too much town in Molla.

I 100% don't think Micc and Molla can be Scum together. So there's that at least with a Micc lynch.

PP I'm thinking over right now to make sure I have him right.

RC I think is town so far. I had a theory to why RC wasn't the NK given who I suspect Scum to be but I don't want to share that.

[Vedith]

I personally feel like Draco's done a lot today that people are just dismissing

I'm not dismissing anything.
Also, AtE is always NAI.

[Vedith]

I do it a lot more as Scum than town. I've probably seen it by Scum more than town too.
But I personally think it's down to a player situation.

Best thing to do is check the person who you believe to be doing it as scum or town for their games and see if they do.
Unless you're not really that interested in knowing.

[Vedith]

Interesting.

[Vedith]

Interesting.

[Vedith]

I'm not actually against being the lynch and checking Dann tonight.
If I flip town though, I expect you to follow my lead and lynch Draco.

[Vedith]

Of course if. I might flip scum yet.

[Vedith]

I would want everyone to agree that Dann should be my target though.
If town and scum kill him, that's at least a mis lynch gone.

[Vedith]

as you've delivered above my expectations so far

This is lynched tomorrow though if I'm town.

[Vedith]

In before Draco makes a case out of that.

[Vedith]

Smart thinking.

[Vedith]

Really bro

Really.

[Vedith]

Oh I see what you're saying.
Difference is you are trying to buddy up.
I'm giving friendly snark.

[Vedith]

I think RC is Scum and changed to Dann in fear of me copping him.

[Vedith]

Prove me wrong.

[Vedith]

Come on RC, we both know that town me wouldn't stick to that plan.
So I think it should be me over Dann.

[Vedith]

\o/

[Vedith]

You really don't want to be Scum here or you outed you and Draco out and lost the game.

[Vedith]

Don't worry I'm okay with this.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

Tomorrow I check RC \o/

[Vedith]

So either IC RC or scum.

[Vedith]

If RC scum and Draco town I'd say check Micc's slot

[Vedith]

well at least no one can possibly blame me for this if you're town

Lol change of tune

[Vedith]

If you're scum RC you've just made one of the worst fake pushes I've ever seen.