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Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:13 am

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Copping bujaber tonight VOTE: rosterfoster

Rhyming is scummy.
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Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:02 am

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Overkill has 8, know what else has 8? "He's Mafia!"

Buss backfire.
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Post Post #12 (isolation #2) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:05 am

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The avatar doesn't help, surely.
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Post Post #14 (isolation #3) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:07 am

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Lucan must have rolled cop too.
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Post Post #16 (isolation #4) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:28 am

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Lmao I wouldn't mind sigging that.
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Post Post #21 (isolation #5) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:27 am

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Lol stop trying to pocket me.
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Post Post #32 (isolation #6) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:06 pm

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In post 29, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 15, Sashaddin wrote:VOTE: bdsm_Kyouko
because I had some touble with a japanese gal last game. Guilty by asssociation!
I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time I've been called bdsm_Kyouko actually
Links, I'll make a BDSM kyouko compilation.
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Post Post #37 (isolation #7) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:12 pm

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In post 35, Vedith wrote:
In post 34, joges wrote:Could you tell me what your reaction would be to either answer possibly given to this question?
That should be pretty obvious.
If it's RVS I want to know why they feel need the change from the original RVS and if it's serious I want to know why they feel Nero deserves the vote.
He always deserves it.
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Post Post #39 (isolation #8) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:33 pm

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Would that be Amor?
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Post Post #42 (isolation #9) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:56 pm

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Foiled once again damn.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #10) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:33 am

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There can be only one.
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Post Post #65 (isolation #11) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:09 pm

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Aww Nero said I'm not a useless lurksack.
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Post Post #67 (isolation #12) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:46 pm

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You had me at cute.
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Post Post #69 (isolation #13) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:22 pm

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Why is my main here?
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Post Post #71 (isolation #14) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:52 pm

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Sounds good to me VOTE: Bujaber
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Post Post #73 (isolation #15) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:15 pm

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Vedith has the only town post this game, change my mind.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #16) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:54 pm

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More like 30, I think 57 could be accurate if Amor is town but his earlier post was more townie to me.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #17) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:06 pm

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In post 64, Nero Cain wrote:but I don't really think either of you are scum. Thought about voting Amor earlier but kinda makes sense to me. How ya feeling on RC or do we just want to wagon up a useless lurksack?
Reasoning for Joges not being scum?

Fos: jibril
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Post Post #94 (isolation #18) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:26 am

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In post 93, Enigma wrote:
In post 92, Vedith wrote:
In post 91, 0verki11 wrote:???
What are you on about
His last post was asking for more votes on Armor.
He doesn't know why he's voting Armor

Why does that post read as gut town?
63 joges also says vote for himself. I can see the gut town read - scum or tpr wouldn't invite others to vote on them
Why not? Initial wagons hardly end in a lynch in serious games. That's pretty low risk.
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Post Post #95 (isolation #19) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:30 am

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In post 85, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 72, 0verki11 wrote:start yourself then.
*shrugz* I just didn't want to dominate discussion and sometimes I just like to sit back and watch things unfold.
In post 77, RCEnigma wrote:Reasoning for Joges not being scum?
Its a little early for hard reads isn't it? Mostly gut. Think scum might not make a post like .
That's not a reason for him to be not scum. Maybe it's early for reads, I townread Vedith anyway.

Joges not knowing why he's voting who he's voting can be nai. However Vedith pressing Amor plus Lycans vote on Amor makes Joges vote look worse. If he wants to pressure Amor by building the wagon that would be a reason to vote sure but that wasn't stated.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #20) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:54 am

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No, Nero im not implying you shouldn't townread. But don't get pissy when you say you don't think Joges or Amor are scum and then when pressed your reply is "idk".
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Post Post #98 (isolation #21) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:55 am

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Overkill would be my mislynch bait if I'm scum and he's town btw.
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Post Post #101 (isolation #22) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:06 am

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I can't speak for Vedith but when slots are throwing out townreads on gut I'm going to question it. That's such basic involvement and I'd argue adds nothing...that's coming from me.
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Post Post #103 (isolation #23) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:09 am

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Also not true, as scum you can't expect to Lynch everyone. For example I think people read you well based on your defense and confrontations. So if I'm scum and you're town you aren't on my mislynch radar because I want to avoid engaging you. I probably just nightkill you assuming there isn't a claim or crumb I pick up on.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #24) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:30 am

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I feel like I don't want to vote Bujaber anymore but I also don't know if it's just because I agree about jibril.
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Post Post #114 (isolation #25) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:31 am

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Yes. It almost sounds exactly like that.
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Post Post #115 (isolation #26) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:32 am

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I do want to ask though what makes you assume it's not TvT as opposed to Jibril just spewing Joges town?
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Post Post #117 (isolation #27) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:43 am

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In post 116, BuJaber wrote:Or like... well the last option would be hilarious, but all 3 are scum and they just exposed themselves already.
Some game this will be a legit scum strat.
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Post Post #118 (isolation #28) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:46 am

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I could see either option though, jibrils post just gave me the heebie-jeebies in a way I don't think I'll shake off any time soon. Welcome to my town line Bujaber.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #29) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:47 am

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Obligatory vote switch VOTE: jibril
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Post Post #123 (isolation #30) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:01 am

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This is gonna be a long game.

I JUST ASKED YOU WHY!
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Post Post #125 (isolation #31) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:29 am

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In post 121, Nero Cain wrote:Why can't jibril just, ya know, town read Joge and think Armor is scum?
Get out of here with your tinfoil theories.
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Post Post #163 (isolation #32) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:58 am

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To be fair I couldn't make heads or tails of that sentence.

I was gonna pull a Nancy here but I think this way is better. To those that were in OK2 do you townread or lean creature town? Yes or no. Explanation is not needed.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #33) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:35 am

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There is a decent amount of players that have recently seen creatures town game (ok2) and 3 of those 4 that have recently played with or around his scumgame (Nk15's normal).
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Post Post #168 (isolation #34) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:44 am

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I'm not using it to sort creature. But ty, I guess it's kind of a moot point now.
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Post Post #169 (isolation #35) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:45 am

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Well, that's only half true but I don't want to bias myself already.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #36) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:26 am

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The more other people post, the more I like Enigma. Hmm.
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Post Post #182 (isolation #37) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:34 am

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In post 179, BuJaber wrote:
In post 178, RCEnigma wrote:The more other people post, the more I like Enigma. Hmm.
This is the most interesting post I've read on the site.

I thought I was pretty good with obscure logic but I can't make sense of this.
If you tell me it's a compliment I'll explain it. It's not very complex tbh.
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Post Post #185 (isolation #38) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:44 am

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In post 176, Eyes without a face wrote:VOTE: Emperor

Now that I know what the VC looks like I can start by voting the least posting slot.

Feel free to vote me cuz I know my slot is not doing much better.
This post specifically since I think it's an easy/safe slot to push that won't result in much blowback. In light of that I don't think Enigmas push on eyes is scum theater.

So since I don't think it's scum theater and Eyes posts come out scummier than Enigma's his push looks better without much input from him per say.
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Post Post #189 (isolation #39) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:09 pm

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Flippynips isn't a player I expect to get very involved. A slot that isn't going to put in the effort to defend themselves is an easy push no? The game is longer than right now, it wouldn't be hard to point out how inactive the slot is down the line and get support for this lynch.
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Post Post #243 (isolation #40) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:07 pm

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In post 235, Nero Cain wrote:pretend RCE was in my list in
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No worries it's assumed at this point.
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Post Post #257 (isolation #41) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:59 pm

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In post 255, Emperor flippyNips wrote:Why do I get the feeling this is an interaction between two scum
I like this guy.

I'm fine voting jibril or eyes today.
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Post Post #259 (isolation #42) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:00 pm

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In post 248, Eyes without a face wrote:At first I thought your was a bit scummy as it implied a line of defense that can be summed up as "I don't do shit as town so as not to be nightkilled", but I shrugged it off and assumed -maybe- you were a TPR (which explains why you wouldn't want to get shot). But claiming scum -as a TPR- doesn't make much sense to me, so in my mind there's a contradiction between the motives in the two situations.

Can you help me clear that up? Do you have any explanations?
Yes, tell him if you're a tpr. Would be a shame if he hit a VT.
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Post Post #261 (isolation #43) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:02 pm

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Ty, I was waffling with my read on you. I almost thought you were town.
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Post Post #263 (isolation #44) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:03 pm

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I'm gonna assume Jibril is one of those gut town reads I've been hearing about.
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Post Post #264 (isolation #45) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:04 pm

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In post 262, Nero Cain wrote:What made you scumread me?
I'm scum, why does my read matter to you?
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Post Post #265 (isolation #46) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:06 pm

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Someone hood me I want to have an epic monologue before I execute my devilish plan, in which I will detail said plan and how to stop it. But you townies better not even dream of stopping it.
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Post Post #268 (isolation #47) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:24 pm

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It's a gut read.
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Post Post #275 (isolation #48) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:07 pm

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In post 274, 0verki11 wrote:
In post 273, Emperor flippyNips wrote:
In post 270, 0verki11 wrote:wtf Jibils tmi slip is fake look at the meta.
BuJabers vote on them is weak and could almost be classed as OMGUS, thats probably my tunnel for today.
Im reading some more now, but I dont think jibils iso warrants a scum read.
@everyone on the wagon: Why are you voting Jibil

What about their iso isn’t scummy? They came in for a second to defend possible other scum,themselves slightly then call bujaber scum and then dipped. So I say likely scum
sounds exactly like the definition of shitter dont you think?
Who else do you scumread?
The hare thought the tortoise was a shitter too.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #49) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:35 pm

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In post 267, Nero Cain wrote:Just b/c I think you're scummy doesn't mean that I'm right.
I know you aren't.

quote="In post 267, Nero Cain"]You're basically calling me scum here. I'm not but your job as town is to try to get who you think is scum lynched and you need to try to influence the town that you are right. Saying that you aren't town reading me and then when asked why is A.) Childish B.) a possible lie C. claiming that you are scum. D. bad town play

I guess A and D and B and C all go together. I voted you earlier b/c I felt like your hyper posting entrance trying to be friendly with the all the players was buddying and like overcompensating for lack of a town pm. I didn't feel THAT strongly you were scum but now I just sorta want to lynch you regardless of alignment.[/quote]

Yes I'm basically calling you scum. I get the call RCE scum in rvs thing, I guess that's your way of reading me, not that I think you read me at all early game. So it's fluff to my fluff.

The RC/Vedith story is pushing an untrue narrative to see if it sticks. Sashaddin is barely reading the thread which is how those kinds of narratives catch whether they are factual or not.

The continued shade on my posts despite you "not scumreading me that much" doesn't say town to me so if you want people to know we aren't the same alignment, cool.

I at least agree that flipping jibril doesn't resolve our slots, I'm not bridging the logic gap there.
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Post Post #279 (isolation #50) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:36 pm

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Stop saying tpr...
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Post Post #280 (isolation #51) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:38 pm

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In post 277, Eyes without a face wrote:but I'm finding it difficult to even play the game due to people either acting nuts, throwing shade at each other for no reason and with no cases at all, or them not caring to post at all.
Besides the last point, all of these generate reads and content either now or later.
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Post Post #282 (isolation #52) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:20 pm

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In post 277, Eyes without a face wrote:@REC: I wasn't asking Vedith is he was a TPR or not. What I said is I though maybe that's the reason he didn't want to try so he won't be the NK. Then his scum claim totally nullified the idea. He is NOT a TPR. He;s being trolly at best, or scum who's playing the "too scummy to be scum" card at worst.

That said, I also find him funny and more witty than most of the others. I do understand that it's the site meta to push/sr/lynch new players, so I cane in fully prepared to be pushed or even lynched, but I'm finding it difficult to even play the game due to people either acting nuts, throwing shade at each other for no reason and with no cases at all, or them not caring to post at all. I don't jave a magic ball to create reads out of thin air. I need people to be talking to each other and to me. The nest anyone would come up with is point to an existing post and ask me "what do you think of this?", and I will let you know in advance what I would think of it: I think it's a lame excuse to pretend like you're doing something by quoting and asking to begin with. That's what I think.
Well, do you think Vedith claimed scum as scum after being scumread?
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Post Post #284 (isolation #53) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:31 pm

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Wasn't calling you out just using you as one of the examples since you posted that you missed a chunk of the game.
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Post Post #286 (isolation #54) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:34 pm

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Could be, I wanted to know what eyes thinks though.
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Post Post #290 (isolation #55) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:07 pm

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In post 288, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 278, RCEnigma wrote:The RC/Vedith story is pushing an untrue narrative to see if it sticks
naw, you guys were totally trying to keep a town read away from Joges.
In post 278, RCEnigma wrote:The continued shade on my posts despite you "not scumreading me that much"
Either I didn't communicate very well or this is totally misrepping b/c I said didn't as in past tense. When I voted you early game I didn't so I didn't push you very much. I am flat out scumreading you now.
This line of thinking wasn't made clear until I scumread you and said as much. So I can only go on the assumption your read on me was weak until then. Despite the shading that is.
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Post Post #294 (isolation #56) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:49 am

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You're doubling down after I scumread you yes, we're on the same page.

1) that list is all over the place, hedging your bets but hey
2) the list was where you think a scum Poe is, how many wasn't specified and it's not a "I think all of these people are scum list" so you hard scumread me and 5 other people by the time this list was posted then?

Or in between voting and posting this list but hadn't said as much in between, so I have to assume you hard scumread me without that information.
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Post Post #309 (isolation #57) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:12 pm

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In post 307, BuJaber wrote:. Those early game reads on joges are not likely to have any lasting effects. It is more likely to be a slip, so if joges is town here I think RCE would look very bad.
Uhhh what? How is scumleaning Joges a slip of anything? And by extension scumleaning the bullshitters that keep pushing this narrative about me trying to prevent reads. As opposed to getting people to explain and defend their reads.
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Post Post #339 (isolation #58) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:45 am

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In post 328, rosterfoster wrote:There’s trolling and there’s trolling.
I stopped reading after this not gonna lie.
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Post Post #381 (isolation #59) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:20 pm

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Lol overkill are you scum claiming?
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Post Post #382 (isolation #60) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:21 pm

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In post 378, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 374, Sashaddin wrote:Scum vs Scum unlikely
Scum vs Town probable
Town vs town probable

If 1, then I'll sheep the wagon with the most votes on it already.
If 2, I vote who I think is scum
If 3, I take extra care of my next move and think about it a little longer
I don't think there's anyways to say which is or isn't the most/least likely. In a way I guess you could argue that OR says this is TvT since there are going to be more town than scum in any decent setup and thus more town will argue against themselves. So I guess it ultimately boils down to your reads on Roster and Vedith and you obviously find Rooster scum and/or town read Vedith or you are scum with or you are scum that's chainsaw defending Vedith.

Also, a daily reminder that RCE is scum.
Then get me lynched or get over it.
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Post Post #384 (isolation #61) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:23 pm

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Vedith still town, down for eyes though VOTE: eyes
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Post Post #385 (isolation #62) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:24 pm

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Oh I do try, I try so hard.
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Post Post #389 (isolation #63) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:00 am

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In post 373, 0verki11 wrote:it was explained well that look like contribuiting (if im reading it right) but it definitly didnt seem like a gut read, and you seemed to not like them that much.
You'll get used to my brand of sarcasm one day.
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Post Post #390 (isolation #64) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:04 am

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Roster if I'm reading this correctly *spoiler I'm not really reading it* your argument is that Vedith trolling is against his town meta. And to support that theory you are only presenting his town trolling meta and calling one an apple and the other an orange. Am I in the ballpark?

How sure are you that Vedith is scum? Would a scum game from Vedith fit your argument better? Or does he not troll in his scumgames?
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Post Post #413 (isolation #65) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:04 am

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I don't know how many posts Stanley has but I'll go on record saying I have like 0 of them.
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Post Post #422 (isolation #66) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:58 am

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In post 420, Lycanfire wrote:(2) I felt like RCEnigma's vote was better placed on Joges or Jibril. He aimed a question at Nero when he could have joined forces with Vedith.

In post 111, RCEnigma wrote:
I feel like I don't want to vote Bujaber anymore but I also don't know if it's just because I agree about jibril.


Why did you want BuJaber to begin with?
It was an rvs vote with not much behind it. His early interactions seemed like we were thinking along the same lines, especially in the case of jibril who's vote was very out of place and most people let it slide. It did make me re evaluate Joges but that's only really based on how jibril flips, not an analysis of Joges play itself.

Also I think you are mixing Enigma and I. I never voted sashaddin and I didn't denounce the jibril wagon.
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Post Post #428 (isolation #67) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:03 am

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Happy birthday profii
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Post Post #443 (isolation #68) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:19 am

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In post 434, BuJaber wrote:Eyes it's claim time

Imagine this is L-1
If you want a claim why don't you make it L-1?
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Post Post #480 (isolation #69) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:30 pm

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So I don't think Stanley and eyes are together, not liking Bujabers rolefishing either but I don't see him as an eyes partner either. I would Lynch on either side of the fence within {eyes, jibril, Stanley}
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Post Post #482 (isolation #70) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:35 pm

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I scumread you both independent of each other. Or more accurately I could see either one of you as scum.
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Post Post #544 (isolation #71) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:35 am

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1 in 17 or something crazy like that.
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Post Post #556 (isolation #72) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:28 am

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In post 555, Eyes without a face wrote:I think these were 2 of the 3 games I linked earlier, No? If they are, then how come you didn't respond to his claim he thought you were a hydra?
Enigma is literally in this game so why would I have to clear up whether I'm a Hydra of RC and Enigma or not?

I always assume the Hydra thing is a joke, we aren't comparable players style wise.

I think this reread/catchup was kind of pointless. I like the re evaluation on Jibril when placed in context so +town on that but the rest feels pretty irrelevant.
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Post Post #568 (isolation #73) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:20 pm

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Two wagons on scum slip away, nice.

VOTE: jibril

Let me know when town gets it together.
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Post Post #572 (isolation #74) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:13 pm

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Jibril what are your town reads?
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Post Post #574 (isolation #75) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:46 pm

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What's my scum meta like Nero?
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Post Post #580 (isolation #76) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:06 pm

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Lol except I spearheaded the Lynch on scum in OK. I want to say the confbias comes from town but I've seen you do this as scum.
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Post Post #582 (isolation #77) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:07 pm

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Nero is willing to buss jibril now, I think it's the best Lynch for today.
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Post Post #584 (isolation #78) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:08 pm

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They certainly aren't equivalent, but it doesn't matter here.
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Post Post #585 (isolation #79) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:08 pm

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Yes but I have played with a mafia you.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #80) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:10 pm

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With that said I would never read you based on how you read my since I know how inaccurate you are. But your play has still been scummy and the blind eye towards it is telling imo.
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Post Post #589 (isolation #81) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:16 pm

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Your scum game is significantly more narrow than your town game. You showed this to some degree in OK so I'll use that as a baseline. There you openly hunted and responded to pressure well, simultaneously. Your re evaluations came out in a fluid way.

Here you have been on a beeline for myself and Bujaber, and now we are conveniently scum together. I'm not sure if this is to protect Jibril initially. Changing your view makes sense as S/S since she isn't doing much to help herself and other slots are starting to drop her in their reads.

The normal you replaced creature in was much the same, not much conflict besides myself once others started scumreading me and 1 other mislynchable slot from the day before. You don't tunnel this way as town imo it's out of place.
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Post Post #590 (isolation #82) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:19 pm

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Why would I omgus only you over any other slot calling me scum?
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Post Post #593 (isolation #83) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:31 pm

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You scumread myself Bujaber and eyes. With a post about eyes which doesn't do much for me. And Bujaber/I could be with Vedith but you townread Vedith. Jibril goes down regardless so she kind of has to be bussed now. Unprovoked meta diving your townread is, ehh whatever.
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Post Post #597 (isolation #84) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:34 pm

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In post 594, Enigma wrote:i've ignored the whole back-to-forth between both of you :cool:
Well that's one way to win my vote back.
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Post Post #598 (isolation #85) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:35 pm

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Your on my short list too buddy
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Post Post #601 (isolation #86) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:36 pm

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NVM it's a long list, think I only really townread Lycan at this point. Everyone else can hang.
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Post Post #603 (isolation #87) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:38 pm

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Fair, I figured the "on the same page with Vedith" post was you switching stance.
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Post Post #604 (isolation #88) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:38 pm

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In post 602, 0verki11 wrote:Nero feels townie here, dont push them RCE
You aren't in my town dot, why would I care?
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Post Post #615 (isolation #89) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:52 pm

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In post 605, 0verki11 wrote:
In post 604, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 602, 0verki11 wrote:Nero feels townie here, dont push them RCE
You aren't in my town dot, why would I care?
go scum with Sash in ur chat lmao.
Probably need to check their meta bc RCE feels different than other games ive played with them although that might just be for Newbie games in general.
Likewise. Newbie is different since it's a first impression for new players, I wouldn't play this way as either alignment there.
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Post Post #617 (isolation #90) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:55 pm

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Even one Nero had me fooled post in post game is gonna drive me to drink :facepalm:
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Post Post #627 (isolation #91) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:42 am

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In post 626, BuJaber wrote:Creature needs to post

Reading sasha's ISO he does seem overly cautious like he's double checking things or waiting for approval at every turn. But again not a priority flip for today.

Probably obvious by now but nero/RCE is not SvS.
You've almost convinced me sashaddin is town, I have two games off the top of my head that he does this exact thing as town.

Sashaddin can you link two scum games for me to skim through? If I get the energy up I'll check myself later.
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Post Post #727 (isolation #92) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:11 am

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Jibril is playing like a vegetable and getting hard defended, I don't know if that's worse on her or her sympathizers. Someone will figure it out while I also go full vegetable. I hope anyway.
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Post Post #761 (isolation #93) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:37 pm

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This day still going? Bye jibril q.q
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Post Post #775 (isolation #94) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:25 am

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In post 763, Lycanfire wrote:
In post 722, BuJaber wrote:I also tried to question Jibril directly but I didn't get ang response.
In post 724, rosterfoster wrote:Well ok seems like Stanley wont happen. Tbh the Stanley stuff probably means that Vedith is more likely scum, partners with Stanley. I'm not sure what I was thinking with Vedith town exactly.
In post 727, RCEnigma wrote:Jibril is playing like a vegetable and getting hard defended, I don't know if that's worse on her or her sympathizers. Someone will figure it out while I also go full vegetable. I hope anyway.
In post 728, profii wrote:If i voted vedith rn I'd be voting someone i think is town just to put a lynch through - im out
In post 734, stan1ey wrote:So you think eyes is town?
ITT: shit people should have elaborated on a long time ago
Like people have reached out to get jibril to give... Anything. I hard scumread her and still threw out a hand by asking her reads or at least something.

High equity she's just scum here. If not....honestly who cares.

If you're backing jibril up I'm assuming what you're actually saying is "no don't Lynch my partner" or "No we can mislynch her later."
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Post Post #821 (isolation #95) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:22 pm

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In post 811, Nero Cain wrote:follow up: you got your pet lynch and Vedith also fliped town so what does this say about me, Joges and RCE?
Not sure what it says about Joges honestly, you're probably town considering the flips.

I won't quote multiple posts but the one about Vedith claiming tpr by claiming not vt, same read here. Focusing on the wagon specifically I probably put Bujaber as town, roster as town, Nero town, emperor tentative town, Lycan is town regardless of the wagons for today.

So I'm running on the assumption that scum also took Vedith's claim at face value considering he was the nk. People that flipped from Vedith to Jibril {Roster, Bujaber, I'll include Nero and explain why in a bit} higher probability for town. It doesn't matter which wagon they push as scum since both are a mislynch. Vedith defense against roster ended with more voices siding with roster so I think it's something scum could have pushed to a Lynch. It's sort of a large enough group that it probably townspews those 3 slots.

Emporer pushing for jibril and sticking to it is also townie, to my knowledge his meta is lurky just in general. So it's an attention grab that I don't think Scum!Emporer goes for. I don't have a deep read on this slot though.

Nero was active EoD and counting down. Also inteded to hammer before Stanley sniped it. The counter argument here is that scum is fine with a no Lynch if Nero didn't want to be associated with the wagon but it raises too many questions the following day so I'll take his intent and add him to the jibril wagon making him another slot that flipped from Vedith to Jibril.

The slots that leaves are {creature, sashaddin, Profii, overkill, Stanley}

I'll get around to isoing and reading up after my shift. Initial thoughts are that Stanley is the most suspicious. Immediately points to the early voters without much to base it on. Calling out the number of scum on the wagon pings as weird too, possibly tmi. If Stanley is scum here I think it's probable there's a partner on the back end of the wagon.

Profii pings me for the nightkill, it's one he goes for as scum imo. I don't remember much of his day 1 to be honest, I wasn't super interested in the game.

I kind of have to defend my slot from the big bad Nero today though so I guess I'll get invested a bit more.
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Post Post #822 (isolation #96) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:22 pm

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Questions, comments, concerns?
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Post Post #824 (isolation #97) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:25 pm

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In post 818, BuJaber wrote:
In post 816, Sashaddin wrote:
In post 813, Nero Cain wrote:I'd like to hear ppl talk about RCE.
I just went through his iso. It gets better from the top down. I put him leaning town from reading it. At the beginning, he is rather lacking susbstance in his comments but he gets more pertinent and engaged near the end of the day. Was it a scum lurking and waiting for a late push?

He did that in overkill 2.

It's NAI behavior for RCE I think.

Give us your opinion on his actual opinions ignore the increase in participation.
Ok2 should be an outlier, I didn't really have an agenda which I would as town or scum. It's nai.

Scum wise I have tells that I won't get into for reasons. Though I think it would point to my town alignment here. But my first scum game was just lurking and walling when called out, this isn't the case anymore so activity is NAI as well.
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Post Post #825 (isolation #98) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:30 pm

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In post 823, 0verki11 wrote:
In post 822, RCEnigma wrote:Questions, comments, concerns?
you never gave a definite read on Joges or mentioned them in ur PoE.
You scum with them lol?
I think there is scum on the jibril wagon that Joges isn't on, I said I don't have a read for Joges. Not one I would count on as reliable anyway.

There is a pool within the wagon that I don't feel was all town and I feel confident the methodolgy behind wittling down that pool means hitting the scum there is more likely. So it doesn't make sense for me to split my focus and try to hunt on and off the wagon simultaneously.

Counter question, why are your reads so rigid? Why is Joges still your top scumread when we have jibril and Vedith both flipped and a 9 person wagon to pick apart for info?
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Post Post #826 (isolation #99) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:31 pm

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In post 823, 0verki11 wrote:
In post 822, RCEnigma wrote:Questions, comments, concerns?
you never gave a definite read on Joges or mentioned them in ur PoE.
You scum with them lol?
Is it cuz you're scum with them lol?
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Post Post #829 (isolation #100) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:33 pm

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Ah, also want to know what creatures vote is about. Forgot to mention that.
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Post Post #831 (isolation #101) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:34 pm

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So if we Lynch Joges and he flips town we can chain Lynch you right?
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Post Post #832 (isolation #102) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:35 pm

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It was an original thought yes, I take full credit.
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Post Post #834 (isolation #103) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:36 pm

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In fact, I'll even offer myself you and when I flip town you can be the turbo Lynch.
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Post Post #835 (isolation #104) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:36 pm

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Ebwop: offer myself up*
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Post Post #838 (isolation #105) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:39 pm

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I don't really care about lynching Joges today so do what you want with it.
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Post Post #840 (isolation #106) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:40 pm

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Do it, don't be scared.
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Post Post #842 (isolation #107) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:43 pm

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If I live I'll vig you, no worry.
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Post Post #845 (isolation #108) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:44 pm

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That's pretty confident for someone that doesn't have a clue, I can respect that.
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Post Post #847 (isolation #109) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:46 pm

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Rip town.
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Post Post #851 (isolation #110) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:51 pm

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The one where I said you were an easy mislynch, outed that information and then proceeded not to Lynch you? Classic scumplay.
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Post Post #856 (isolation #111) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:59 pm

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Your whole iso is bad reasoning lol
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Post Post #857 (isolation #112) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:01 pm

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Is being in my Poe that big of a deal? Hmm
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Post Post #899 (isolation #113) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:11 am

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Why do you think Nero and I have to be different alignments in the first place?
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Post Post #911 (isolation #114) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:35 am

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In post 905, BuJaber wrote:Because joges getting townread by people got some weird attention.

We've got jibril, amor, vedith, RCE, joges and Nero in the middle of this attention. Weird interactions always contain scum, and already jibril and vedith flipped town, leaving the 4 of you.

You and vedith were on the "don't townread joges" side which means that read threatened you in some way and nero picked up on that even though it was subtle. He's either scum very interested in people's reads on joges or town sorting through the bs.
This is again blown out of proportion, "don't townread Joges" was only Neros interpretation of us questioning vague reads on Joges. It doesn't even represent my or Vedith's read on the slot at the time.

For the record I didn't scumread Joges initially but thought the townreads he was getting for very nai posting was weird, that has to do with the slots throwing meaningless reads out not Joges. Nero making it an issue is what made me think Joges could be scum with Nero. Jibrils posting made me reconsider on Joges but the read on Nero lingered.
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Post Post #912 (isolation #115) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:36 am

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Nero doesn't really need to out the Vedith interaction. It doesn't really benefit scum in any way and gives town a small foothold.
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Post Post #913 (isolation #116) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:37 am

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I could be overcompensating for being wrong on Jibril and just be townreading Neros posts as a result but eh.
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Post Post #921 (isolation #117) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:07 am

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So damned if I do damned if I don't basically?
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Post Post #924 (isolation #118) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:09 am

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In post 920, BuJaber wrote:A bunch of people townread joges early on, that is bad for you because that's likely one less person you won't be able to lynch.
This one actually isn't a big deal if I'm scum and he's town. I wouldn't have an issue nightkilling a universal townread that's absent a large part of the day discussion, if it isn't a scumled spew he's probably a tpr. 2 birds one stone.
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Post Post #926 (isolation #119) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:12 am

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In post 923, BuJaber wrote:
In post 921, RCEnigma wrote:So damned if I do damned if I don't basically?

Damned if you refuse to acknowledge our argument.

You're making it sound like your read on joges mattered when it didn't.
Again it wasn't about my read on Joges at all. But my issue is that Nero framed it that way and then it was run with like some holy gospel.

It would take me flipping in addition to Vedith's flip for people to go "oh we were poking at nothing and that's what it turned out to be, weird."
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Post Post #927 (isolation #120) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:13 am

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In post 925, Nero Cain wrote:thanks for letting us know that your team has a strongman.
Stop talking. Jesus Christ.
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Post Post #931 (isolation #121) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:16 am

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In post 923, BuJaber wrote:
In post 921, RCEnigma wrote:So damned if I do damned if I don't basically?

Damned if you refuse to acknowledge our argument.

You're making it sound like your read on joges mattered when it didn't.
You can see why I would feel this extended discussion would be an easy narrative for scum to provoke considering I know my alignment correct?

It's unfortunate even if Nero is town because one of us absolutely has to be flipped at some point. Scum never kills either of us, and if he is scum that's his out. So us both being town may even be worst case.
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Post Post #939 (isolation #122) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:10 am

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How do I stop seeing posts from a user?
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Post Post #946 (isolation #123) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:11 am

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In post 941, Nero Cain wrote:FOE list but that doesn't work in games or you could just you know, not sign up in games I'm in. Not sure why you have your panties in a wad. Its a game, I'm playing the game. It's nothing personal.
It's just a playstyle clash I dunno, your posts are like nails on a chalkboard.
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Post Post #947 (isolation #124) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:14 am

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In post 801, rosterfoster wrote:Well I suck at mafia. Flip makes me pretty sure eyes is town.

VOTE: Stan1ey
I thought Stanley made this post but I was wrong. Still curious which flip made eyes town and why exactly?
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Post Post #952 (isolation #125) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:17 am

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It's revenge of the Shattiel.
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Post Post #976 (isolation #126) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:30 am

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Gambits as a general concept can be null. You're ignoring context though. And also avoiding the question. Your read on overkill isn't dependent on his claim Gambit is it?
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Post Post #977 (isolation #127) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:33 am

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In post 974, BuJaber wrote:Correct, it wasn't directed at you.

Could you explain how it's objectively scummy?
I understand you think it was a safe wagon to sit on, what is not clear is why you've decided that scum would not join the wagon later. There is an obvious motivation for you to do that as scum because then you wouldn't be included in your scum pool.
Basically this. What you presented was like saying, I'm town. I'm on the end of the wagon therefore the end of the wagon is town. Which doesn't compute with me and Bujaber as well it seems.
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Post Post #980 (isolation #128) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:57 am

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Fmpov

Amor, enigma, eyes, Joges is the off wagon pool.
Creature, Profii, Stanley, overkill, sashaddin would be the on wagon pool.

I townlean sashaddin but that isn't strong enough to put him outside of my Poe

Don't want to sidetrack myself and lose my thoughts so I'll probably jump back and forth from here.

Someone asked why I thought Profii makes the Vedith kill. I feel he has a nose for catching crumbs and softs, that's literally it. Don't know what to think of him from the small sample size.

Nero/overkill is never s/s but I've already forgotten why that came to me in the first place.

Nero I don't think it helps read me but I want to see what you think since you were the one to bring Vedith's claim up. I have a theory but I want to know what you think about the way slots interacted with Vedith before and after the post he claimed in. You can get back to tunneling me after that.
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Post Post #991 (isolation #129) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:19 am

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796-800 was you fos'ing the first three voters, and Profii so 4 of the first 5. Townreading the last 4 voters including yourself. Creature wasn't mention but that's not the point here. 797 was something like 2 scum in the wagon possible 3. I'm assuming you think 2 scum are within the first 3 voters and Profii may be the 3rd.

The only real justification or clarification is that it would have been easy to throw a vote down early in post 800.
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Post Post #996 (isolation #130) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:05 am

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In post 821, RCEnigma wrote:I'll get around to isoing and reading up after my shift. Initial thoughts are that Stanley is the most suspicious. Immediately points to the early voters without much to base it on. Calling out the number of scum on the wagon pings as weird too, possibly tmi. If Stanley is scum here I think it's probable there's a partner on the back end of the wagon.
This was well before Bujaber prodded further
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Post Post #997 (isolation #131) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:15 am

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The idea that a hypothetical team of myself, emporer, sashaddin or any combination of the first 4 of 5 voters bulldoze a Lynch on Jibril is just beyond me maybe.

Even if you flip me today, take my reads into consideration and pay attention to the pushes on my slot. 1 between Nero/overkill/Stanley but I doubt it's Nero. If Neros town her hopefully he gets it together.

Incidentally both are also in the wagon Poe so maybe 1 of the 2 with creature or profii.

If Nero flips scum at some point he is never scum with overkill/roster/ or eyes I think. The rest is up for debate.
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #132) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:08 pm

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In post 1007, Nero Cain wrote:Also, is it really that hard to wrap post #'s in post tags? @ RCE
Yes.
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Post Post #1025 (isolation #133) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:15 pm

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In post 1006, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 980, RCEnigma wrote:Nero I don't think it helps read me but I want to see what you think since you were the one to bring Vedith's claim up. I have a theory but I want to know what you think about the way slots interacted with Vedith before and after the post he claimed in. You can get back to tunneling me after that.
Why does it matter what I think? This just seems like giving me busy work and if I don't want to do busy work you'll accuse me of avoiding the question. But I guess its an interesting line of inquiry. I assume that you are saying that after she claimed not VT scum were more likely to back off and eh maybe but why do you need me to do this and not yourself?
I did, I'm creature levels of bored with this game however so doesn't matter now.

On a linear level roster was locked in a 1v1 for a bit right after, eyes probably doesn't engage Vedith off the back of that if Vedith is being discussed in scum chat. I guess it depends in what capacity.

There's only like 1 slot I could see as avoiding Vedith post claim but there's a lot of that this game so whatever.
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Post Post #1030 (isolation #134) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:36 pm

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In post 1016, Eyes without a face wrote:All 3 on that pool are on the same level to me. On the 2nd pool I prefer Amor over Enigma and Enigma over you.

RCE talks a lot, but I am finding it hard to comprehend everything he says. (by that I mean I understand some and some I don't). Like when he said Vedith was an early TR of his without an explanation right after he asked you why joges was town and dismissed your reasoning (you said gut)

Or when he said Overkill would be his mislynch (that's probably NAI as it could be an internal joke so maybe that's why I don't get it)

Or when he parked his vote on Jibril for 5 real days, then switched to me for like 3 days then went back to Jibril.

I also dpn't get what revenge of Shattiel is, and his reasoning to suspect profii shot Vedith don't make sense to me. If Vedith claimed he was not a VT then everybody should have an equal chance of having shot him. It's more a matter of who believed him and who thought he was bluffing.

And this last one {If Nero flips scum at some point he is never scum with overkill/roster/ or eyes I think. The rest is up for debate.} I don't understand either. I think I got the bit about overkill, but not roster or me.

And these are just examples that I remembered from skimming his ISO now. I probably can list more of what I don't understand if I do a detailed reread.
Jibril was a slot that I thought was scum, ultimately I came to the conclusion that even if she was town it was a slot that became more of a liability the longer she's around. I still don't mind trading jibril for the information.

The Shattiel thing is the Mason claim and just mass claiming multiple roles in general, just a joke.

Just in general the slots I think would take the shot on Vedith as opposed to viewing him as a possible mislynch are something like: Profii, emporer, Enigma, Nero, and creature I guess. He just doesn't seem invested enough to be too involved with nk targets. Profii just seems like the most likely in that pool.

I guess you also have to take into account that scum shot off the wagon. I won't bother giving my thoughts on what I think that means but you guys can make your own inferences from that.

Neros interactions with Overkill don't seem s/s but there was one interaction that made me go yeah no way they are together. I don't remember what it was though. I touched on eyes/rosters interactions with Vedith post claim, roster still wanted Vedith and eyes piggybacking probably means there wasn't an initiative to move the Lynch elsewhere and save Vedith for the nk, it's just how things lined up.
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Post Post #1032 (isolation #135) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:56 pm

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In post 1031, BuJaber wrote:2. You're assuming you will always get lynched first. You're assuming I want to flip you first. You're assuming I have to flip either of you. Besides after the thing with stanley I'm more inclined to vote RCE after overkill than you. Unlike you he's also been subtly trying to influence me and I guess that kind of pocketing me was working on me whereas you were and continue to be antagonistic and it's easier to read suspicion in that
Actually haven't attempted to pocket you as either alignment, you're doing it to yourself if that's the case lol.
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Post Post #1082 (isolation #136) » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:41 pm

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In post 1080, Amor wrote:I'll have to look into RCE more, especially if he's going to be a significant wagon today. Just looking quickly over his recent points, he seems to spend a lot of time defending overkill over his "gambit." It could be buddying or defending a buddy who got out of line.

I'm kind of getting the same reading off Joges as I did off Jibril -- more of a disengaged townie than anything else.
Is this supposed to be about me or Nero? Are you reading the game or did you misremember the recap someone gave you?
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Post Post #1097 (isolation #137) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:12 am

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Dunno what I make of creatures wagon, idk what makes you the counterwagon to flippynips, creature.

I thought it was interesting my wagon composition was pretty similar to the jibril wagon EoD.
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Post Post #1120 (isolation #138) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:20 am

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In post 1101, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1090, Sashaddin wrote:Doesn't do anything scummy. Kept the conversation going. Comments on other players, so is following the game.
Yeah but he flying under the radar and not talking about who he wants to lynch or anything. He's being overly cautious and I don't feel like that comes from town.
In post 1093, Creature wrote:sorta confirms Nips as scum.
not really. If he's scum then he that's only 3 less ppl less likely to vote him.
Then Lynch me, overkill/Stanley/flippy/Profii is my wagon Poe. Creature can be town. I think sashaddin was supposed to be switched with one of those but I'm not sure.

Last wagon I led was on town so w/e scumread me for not repeating.
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Post Post #1138 (isolation #139) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:44 pm

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I'm calling scum within the slots pushing me, so 1 within Nero/Stanley/overkill. And I've been townreading Nero. So like kill overkill or Stanley. I'm not sure if I can be more clear about who I'm scumreading.
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Post Post #1170 (isolation #140) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:56 pm

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In post 1148, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1138, RCEnigma wrote:I'm not sure if I can be more clear about who I'm scumreading.
You could use your vote. Also, Buj is pushing you so why isn't in your group of "OMG scum is pushing me!"?
He's just being a sheep. Idk he tried to push the idea one scum has to be between us. Maybe people need me flipped to sort you. Idc either way.
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Post Post #1177 (isolation #141) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:13 am

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In post 1173, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1170, RCEnigma wrote:Idk he tried to push the idea one scum has to be between us.
How is he being a sheep? I ask b/c he was pushing the one of RCE or Nero is scum b4 the wagon started. And even if he is being a sheep how does that not qualify your criteria of "one scum is pushing me"?

And there's way more than one scum in this game bro...
Hunting by association before any scum have flipped at all is pretty damn stupid so.

He could be but A.) He's not pushing me and B.) I townread him more than I scumread him for vote flipping on me.
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #142) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:14 am

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Lol would I buss my whole scumteam? Yeah probably.
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Post Post #1182 (isolation #143) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:33 am

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In post 1180, Lycanfire wrote:
In post 1178, RCEnigma wrote:Lol would I buss my whole scumteam? Yeah probably.
What's the game that spoke to you about profii?
It's a culmination of the games I've played with him as the same and opposite alignments. Just observations on his play not necessarily a meta read.
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Post Post #1183 (isolation #144) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:42 am

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In post 1179, Lycanfire wrote:
In post 1120, RCEnigma wrote:Then Lynch me, overkill/Stanley/flippy/Profii is my wagon Poe. Creature can be town. I think sashaddin was supposed to be switched with one of those but I'm not sure.
In post 1138, RCEnigma wrote:I'm calling scum within the slots pushing me, so 1 within Nero/Stanley/overkill. And I've been townreading Nero. So like kill overkill or Stanley. I'm not sure if I can be more clear about who I'm scumreading.
I feel like scum might be more compelling than this considering the second pool is shit

It's not about they wouldn't but why is he saying this in particular.
Overkill is actively manipulating his meta, possibly just a conscious change in his style, possibly because he's just not the town overkill I'd expect. I wasn't really including overkill until he blew up in response to being in my Poe. It wasn't until then that he decided I was still his too scumread which is, meh.

Stanley had an awkward day 1 I can't quantify I think his pushes were poor and everything he posted just vibed with me in an odd way not a good way. Day 2 his flip to me being confscum off the back of Nero is again opportunistic.

If I consider Nero town then I am under the assumption that I'm a Lynch safe for scum to hop onto. Nero has more credibility not being on the town Lynch day 1 and him being wrong in this 1v1 isn't a huge risk for them, most people look at Nero differently once I flip town so they may not even necessarily have to push him themselves.
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #145) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:38 am

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I can't be bothered with what any of these mean.

Huzzah for another day of Nero tunneling, it's all I really wanted VOTE: Profii
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #146) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:42 pm

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In post 1205, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1202, RCEnigma wrote:Huzzah for another day of Nero tunneling,
your play is pretty wonky and I'm far from the only person that thinks so.
They think it because you think it.
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Post Post #1225 (isolation #147) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:55 pm

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VOTE: Rce not to hold the game hostage or anything but, pretty please?
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Post Post #1230 (isolation #148) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:56 pm

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In post 1228, profii wrote:Well I am scum hunting

My vote is on Creature, when he gets lynched, that’s 1 dead scum

No point spamming away after that

No one has told me either of these 2 things

Profii is scum because: (activity doesn’t count)
Creature is town because:

So it’s all good from where I sit
552 728

I think the main issue for me is the lack of meaningful input not necessarily the lack of activity, they might be hand in hand though.

I see a lot of "I'll get to this later because I have thoughts on x..." But we never get a resolution to that and no one has really pressed you to get around to it. This is when you aren't really pressured, when pressed on something specific you respond but it's reactionary. I had this tendency as scum and think it's just indicative of not having a good foothold to involve yourself.

There are gaps that don't really feel fleshed out as well. Your response to me calling you out on being a slot that would kill Vedith was that you wouldn't because you hard townread him or something to that effect. was your vote on Vedith and was your townread on him without much input from you on how you got there.

I think if Profii flips red we can easily pinpoint at least 1 more scum around the Vedith/jibril wagons inside the slots that don't overlap. I can expand on that later, I don't want to bias myself pre flip.
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Post Post #1233 (isolation #149) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:06 pm

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In post 1231, BuJaber wrote:And what do you hope to achieve with your self-vote?
Free myself hopefully.
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Post Post #1264 (isolation #150) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:29 am

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In post 1258, BuJaber wrote:So it's about not losing RCE if RCE is town?

Okay say you're wrong about Nips who's next? Like I'm wondering how you differentiate between one lurker and another. We can't lynch them all. Does it not make sense to lynch people whose posts could narrow down the pool of lurkers?

Pedit - I'm trying aren't I? You're not making it easy
How do I narrow down the pool of lurkers?
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Post Post #1280 (isolation #151) » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:34 pm

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In post 1277, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1271, Eyes without a face wrote:Why would anyone vote themselves?
It's either a scum
aTe
or frustrated or self-aware town.

Only one of these things is not like the other.
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Post Post #1283 (isolation #152) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:39 am

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flippy isn't defending himself. Chances are he doesn't put up a Tyson performance when he's up for a Lynch again because lynching me doesn't resolve him in any way.

It's also and info now vs long term information gathering and even that's tenuous.

If I'm lynched today town has to make a decision on Nero. Absolutely have to. On whether they believe Nero tunneled me as town or as scum. Within the voters at the height of my wagon there is scum within there. It overlaps almost exactly with the jibril wagon and I include Nero in that since he was the intended hammer. Or at least stated he would before end of day.

Emporer living today means he lives for the next 2 minimum since town will, and should be, focused on your slots (those involved with my push). Then you have flippy looking as a question mark for those 2 days so if you aren't willing to Lynch him today there's no point in discussing him.

Fwiw I'd rather be the Lynch over creature, but I disagree I'm a better Lynch than flippy it just seems like poor reasoning to avoid lynching his slot.
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Post Post #1288 (isolation #153) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:57 am

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Ok, say by some unholy miracle I flip town and the wagon is nearly identical to the wagon that flipped town day 1. Would it not be logical to assume there is scum on that wagon? And heavily probable that there is scum in the slots that voted both times?

Do you understand why fmpov that's the case?
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Post Post #1289 (isolation #154) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:01 am

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In post 1284, BuJaber wrote:Why do you think if we don't lynch him today he will survive another 2 lynches at least? Why would that be the case?
Because once I flip, Nero should be on the back foot. He has to explain himself on my town flip aside from, "whoops. I just thought every word he typed was scum scum scum. Haha my bad."

If flippy gets compromise lynched EoD over someone actually on both wagons I would be shocked.
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Post Post #1291 (isolation #155) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:05 am

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Probably. But I for sure don't have a scum game I've self voted in.
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Post Post #1292 (isolation #156) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:05 am

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If I explain the vote then it doesn't work as intended.
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Post Post #1294 (isolation #157) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:17 am

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Depends who really has experience with Vedith.
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Post Post #1296 (isolation #158) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:24 am

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Flippy isn't my conclusion, he's not in the overlap of wagons. I know why creature is voting flippy and I'm inclined to agree so if the lynches I want to go through won't go through (they won't) emporer is a damn good hedge.
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Post Post #1299 (isolation #159) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:30 am

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What's the case on creature?
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Post Post #1300 (isolation #160) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:31 am

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If it has anything to do with meta I don't want to hear it because it's either gonna be he hasn't posted a lot and that's his scum meta. Or he's posting more than usual because he's gotten past his scum meta.
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Post Post #1301 (isolation #161) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:36 am

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Creature poking outside of his counterwagon is +town. Not wanting to Lynch his counterwagon is +town. Him voting flippy is +town regardless of flippys alignment. Creatures alignment also isn't tied to the amount of attention he pays to the game so I don't think him not realizing the votecount in regards to flippy is something I would read either way. However it's more likely he does that as town than informed scum to be cheeky.
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Post Post #1315 (isolation #162) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:01 am

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Ehh, I'm tilted and everyone's probably scum at this point.
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Post Post #1337 (isolation #163) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:08 pm

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In post 1326, BuJaber wrote:I think he's been trying to change his mind subtly actually.

It's definitely strange. Not to mention that he is trying to draw a circle around the intersection of voters before the lynch even happens. That just tells scum who voted for jibril to not vote for him. Especially that they can easily do that anyway, where they take turns being on the lynch each day.
It's more like I see a possibility of Bujaber/eyes but I don't feel strong enough about either to pursue or case around it. I'm also trying to avoid diluting the group I think holds scum by adding additional slots to the Poe.
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #164) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:08 pm

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UNVOTE: have at it.
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Post Post #1368 (isolation #165) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:52 am

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Soon, soon.
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Post Post #1396 (isolation #166) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:00 am

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In post 1395, BuJaber wrote:I skimmed your ISO again just to be sure. You've had several posts where you start off with original analysis / unique pov, but then you don't follow through or give us the actual analysis you are supposedly doing in the background.
Said RCE some 10 pages back.
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Post Post #1397 (isolation #167) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:04 am

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Which isn't the first time you've regurgitated my view points and were still scumreading me recently. So if we are thinking along the same lines why are my thoughts coming across as scummy when we are generally ending up on the same conclusion? Or so it seems.
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Post Post #1399 (isolation #168) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:19 am

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I'd hammer flippy for that post alone tbh.
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Post Post #1401 (isolation #169) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:57 am

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In post 885, BuJaber wrote:I like RCE's wagon analysis so far and between him and overkill overkill looks pretty bad right now.
When you were pushing the Nero/Rce have to be different alignment angles your read on both of those things was the opposite.
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Post Post #1434 (isolation #170) » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:23 pm

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Where is FL to fake claim masons with creature?
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Post Post #1437 (isolation #171) » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:25 pm

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Lol imagine.
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #172) » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:26 pm

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How unlucky for me.
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Post Post #1442 (isolation #173) » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:29 pm

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I'm.... extremely comfortable with that list.
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Post Post #1445 (isolation #174) » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:31 pm

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I'm gonna avoid reading into roster landing at me/Stanley scum partners, it's that weird kind of tinfoil read I can see town making.
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Post Post #1446 (isolation #175) » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:32 pm

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Well we've lynched two slots not doing shit that flipped town so yeah probably.
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Post Post #1461 (isolation #176) » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:00 pm

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In post 1455, Enigma wrote:EOD1
Jibril
(9):
Emperor flippyNips
, RCEnigma, Sashaddin, Creature, profii, BuJaber, rosterfoster, 0verki11,
stan1ey

Vedith
(4): Nero Cain, Amor, Lycanfire, Enigma

D1 wagon:
Eyes without a face (6):
stan1ey
, Nero Cain, Enigma, RCEnigma, rosterfoster, profii
rosterfoster (3):
Vedith
, Eyes without a face, Sashaddin

EOD2
Emperor flippyNips
(8): Nero Cain, Creature, Eyes without a face, Succinct,
stan1ey
, Sashaddin, profii, Flapjack

D2 wagon
Creature (5): Amor, Enigma, Sashaddin, Lycanfire, profii
RCEnigma (4): 0verki11, BuJaber,
stan1ey
, RCEnigma

These are scum driven mislynches
Are you saying both jibrils wagon and Eyes wagon were scumdriven? Only my slot and Stanley are common votes on each day 1 wagon there and Stanley has flipped town with his partner on only one of those. I find it hard to believe scum avoid lynching eyes in favor of jibril.

I think this was part of the reason I made a connection between eyes and Bujaber in the first place.
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Post Post #1462 (isolation #177) » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:01 pm

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Oh and profii, I skipped over him on eyes wagon.
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Post Post #1471 (isolation #178) » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:21 pm

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Yeah yeah yeah, creature is town and Stanley flipped. Profii, overkill, sashaddin are the remaining slots and 2 of them townread me so, no regerts.
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Post Post #1472 (isolation #179) » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:23 pm

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In post 1464, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1461, RCEnigma wrote:I find it hard to believe scum avoid lynching eyes in favor of jibril.
I mean the eyes wagon was dying after myself and Enigma (there could be others, idk) voiced concern about the Eyes wagon going to fast. That is my sole reasoning for town reading him but in the back of my mind, there's a sliver of worry that he was just getting bussed. But let's just say he was town and his wagon was dying, why would scum continue to push a wagon that prob wasn't going to happen?
If he was also town then scum probably have the numbers to push either Lynch through but want to avoid voting together. Why is that?
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Post Post #1473 (isolation #180) » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:26 pm

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Well maybe not, sashaddin and Profii have been pretty inseparable.
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Post Post #1482 (isolation #181) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:27 am

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In post 1474, BuJaber wrote:
In post 1471, RCEnigma wrote:Yeah yeah yeah, creature is town and Stanley flipped. Profii, overkill, sashaddin are the remaining slots and 2 of them townread me so, no regerts.
What's your point?
Response to my Poe being literally the entire playerlist minus Lycan and creature.
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Post Post #1483 (isolation #182) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:28 am

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Is Profii dumb telling?
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Post Post #1487 (isolation #183) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:32 am

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In post 1475, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1472, RCEnigma wrote:Why is that?
generally, scum don't stick their necks out and try to avoid attention. Hard pushing a wagon where atleast 1 town (me) got off kinda goes against that, no? Jibril was a really EZ wagon and your belief that scum would push the Eyes lynch b/c they had the #'s (not true anyways) is baffling. But then you are scum so...
Jibril is a mislynch scum could get on any given day. I'm not saying eyes is a mislynch or couldn't be a mislynch on another day but had and has more potential to both defend himself and possibly expose scum on a wagon.

What I'm saying is that if he was a mislynch it's weird to me that scum would pass the opportunity in favor of jibril who was a threat to literally no one and only called flippy and Bujaber as scum.
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Post Post #1488 (isolation #184) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:33 am

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In post 1467, BuJaber wrote:Enigma's post is a fine start but we need to go back to before RCE started his pool of scum and compare it to after. Somebody intentionally left the pool I just don't remember who.
It was after this post so I thought you were answering what my pool was.
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Post Post #1491 (isolation #185) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:39 am

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In post 1476, Nero Cain wrote:scum woulda needed 9 votes to lynch Eyes.

Eyes doesn't vote himself (prob)

I unvoted Eyes in 508 and profii unvotes in 552. The next unvote is 100 posts later.
In post 1455, Enigma wrote:Eyes without a face (4): stan1ey, Enigma, RCEnigma, rosterfoster
First we'd have to assume that all 4 of you are town wich lol nope.

Then you'd have to assume that all 4 scum are in

BuJaber
Nero Cain
Emperor flippyNips
Succinct
0verki11
Jibril
Sashaddin
Flapjack
Creature
Lycanfire
Vedith


again nope. I could kinda see scum being in Buj, lycan and Flapjack thought that would still me you or the other Enigma is scum. (or maybe roster, idk) But scum wasn't getting that wagon.
Unless you see Enigma/roster as partners, which is possible. I'd put 1 scum in that group of 4

I don't recall the reason for the flip but any built wagon would have gone through with or without scum help near deadline.
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Post Post #1492 (isolation #186) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:40 am

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I'm not arguing scum weren't on jibrils wagon, my Poe is literally all jibril voters. Still.
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #187) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:42 am

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But I don't agree that both jibril and eyes were scum driven when the crossover of voters is so small and partially town flipped. The composition on each is so different compared to the near identical composition of jibril and flippy.
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Post Post #1494 (isolation #188) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:43 am

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It just feels bad pushing the few slots willing to stick up for you, scum or not when you know you yourself are mislynchable probably due to town.
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Post Post #1495 (isolation #189) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:44 am

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I'm fine with a short day regardless VOTE: Profii
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Post Post #1497 (isolation #190) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:46 am

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Uhh, sure.
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Post Post #1498 (isolation #191) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:54 am

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Hopefully Profii goes through today and creature is protected tonight. He will literally win you this game. Money back guarantee.
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Post Post #1502 (isolation #192) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:22 am

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Early in the day Bujaber was sharing a lot of the same views I had or at least seeing things in a similar way. The connection with him and eyes was a stretch to begin with and I didn't see it as strong enough to scumread Bujaber off of. However he became inconsistent with this in the latter half of the day, more specifically after the idea that you and I had to be different alignments broke down. Overall I would say after that point he kind of became a town follower and just piped up on the 'town' side of arguments. Whatever the prevalent mentality for town was at the time. For example I brought a few points up early in the day that were either glossed over or ignored as I'm being either scumread or pushed to the scummy side of null by most slots. Bujaber then comes up with the same ideas later in the day but continues to scumread me for day play even though it's on the surface consistent with what he's viewing as important or relevant to the gamestate.

It doesn't come off as genuine since imo it would raise some red flags to me if I was seeing the game the same way as my top scumread since either I'm following a scum mindset or they aren't actually scum and I've been influenced to think so elsewhere.

So I don't really still have a townread on Bujaber. However my issue is that I feel he is a high risk high reward Lynch and if I'm wrong on Bujaber then it's a large loss to town. On top of that Im in a position where I don't have influence and the likelihood I get support against Bujaber without some slots changing their view on Bujaber since I'm the one pushing is very low.
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Post Post #1504 (isolation #193) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:17 am

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It was just an observation, it doesn't necessarily mean anything but the two of you have voted the same on every wagon.
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Post Post #1555 (isolation #194) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:45 am

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In post 1507, BuJaber wrote:Lol sasha doesn't want any connection to the leading wagon.

@RCE - that's unfair it was a long day and I don't remember everything that everybody says. Your most prominent opinion at that point of time was that overkill is scum. Considering I realized my misinderstanding and admited it before you did and you still continued to push him on the claim thing was scummy to me. But I admit I was consumed by wanting to flip either you or nero so much and not only did nero interactions with me make me scumread him less, there was so much more support for your lynch it made sense. Also because flippy was the only strong counterwagon and I wanted him to be replaced.

And you HAVE to see how scummy it is to start VCA on the flippy wagon and connect it to the jibril wagon before it goes through. You are not telling me what town benefits from doing that preemptively. Scum who joined the jibril wagon had no reason to also join the flippy wagon after you said that so your pool would have remained everyone on both wagons, unless flippy was scum.
If the flippy wagon has the same slots on it that the jibril wagon did and jibril flipped town do I think scum are on both? Yes and I will say as such. Why is it weird that slots I think are scum voted both wagons and I give reasoning for why I'm thinking it in the first place? It just makes sense that there would be a greater number of scum on those wagons than off those wagons considering the kill was off wagon.

On overkill we had different reasons we were pushing so your mistake or misinterpretation had nothing to do with my reasoning for scumreading Overkill when he was already in my Poe beforehand.


And since I've brought up the off wagon kill, looking back it looks like it was less about believing Vedith was not VT and more about making flippy look worse considering Vedith and jibril were his EoD voters. Though that may be a byproduct. I'm not sure how much thought scum puts into killing on or off wagon in forum mafia.
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Post Post #1563 (isolation #195) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:55 am

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In post 1553, Flapjack wrote:
In post 1551, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1549, Flapjack wrote:How is voting flippy giving him town cred regardless of what flippy flips?
IDK, did I say that?
Not you, RCEnigma did
This read requires context. At the time the leading wagons were creature and myself and I felt that Scum!creature wouldn't care about placing a vote on the counterwagon if it meant saving himself. I was a null read afaik at the time but he still felt strongly about flippy and was the singular vote on flippy for the entirety of the day until EoD when his wagon picked up.

Regardless I think flapjack is town now for the Mason read which everyone else is playing dumb around besides Nero.
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Post Post #1565 (isolation #196) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:56 am

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In post 1561, Flapjack wrote:
In post 1559, Nero Cain wrote:he's not.
I'm not vig, it was a weak attempt at maybe getting scum to take a shot on me rather than have me as mislynch fodder the next day. Didn't pan out. I'm hard claiming VT here.
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Post Post #1566 (isolation #197) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:57 am

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In post 1564, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1561, Flapjack wrote:
In post 1559, Nero Cain wrote:he's not.
99% thats a joke and a town vig shouldn't be holding his shot.
I ascribe to the notion vig should not shoot with town majority so even if I was vig I would hold.
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Post Post #1569 (isolation #198) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:01 am

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The progression she went through, framed by her thoughts about the wagon itself felt natural. Backing down after a read through of Stanley is seemingly town. I went through the same idea after Stanley's flip and I was unsure if I was right on creature when flippy turned up town.
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Post Post #1571 (isolation #199) » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:02 am

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In post 1568, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1565, RCEnigma wrote:I'm hard claiming VT here.
Why claim here?
Does it matter? Scum already value the possibility of my Lynch over the chance that I'm a PR, I just explained that.
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