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Post Post #672 (isolation #0) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:45 am

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Sorry I'll be fully back tomorrow. I'm BNL btw, switched in with my anime account similarly to Morality.

In the meantime, here's my current townpool:
Clemency, Dunnstral, Torque, C&Y, Gamma
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Post Post #673 (isolation #1) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:45 am

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Also why is there a Vedith wagon?
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Post Post #805 (isolation #2) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:36 am

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Still not caught up, sorry

I think I should explain my read on Morality: I tried to do a mastina and read him based off his first post, and the reason I scumread him was because his first post was talking based off what someone else has posted (going off A50's thoughts), which imo is a scum indicative way of entering the game because they fear of being judged when entering the game and thus opt for something safe.

I also have slightly suspected him for his posts after that because the timing of bringing up the miller claim felt like overjustification, and didn't like how much he was on me in general.

I am however starting to fear that this is a TvT because I'm in a similar state to him where I cannot catch up and I don't want to reach the state where we're lazily leaving votes on each other leading to a vicious cycle of growing scumreads. I am not convinced Morality is scum.

UNVOTE: Morality
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Post Post #880 (isolation #3) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:14 am

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mastina, since you're scumreading Vedith and Pink Ball, why aren't you voting either?
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Post Post #906 (isolation #4) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:36 am

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Sorry guys last few days have been much busier than I expected
I’m also not in my Mafia mood these days

What I have to say though I that I have a bad gut feeling about voting Mastina
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Post Post #907 (isolation #5) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:37 am

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I HOPE to be able to catchup tomorrow, I think I will but I’ve been thinking the same these few days and I end up not catching up...
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Post Post #909 (isolation #6) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:46 am

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In post 66, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 66, Torque wrote:I like the fact A50 claiming he's not speaking in channels actually I think scum will just lurk and not claim so
Now wait a minute

Somebody said something about claiming channels to weed out scum who weren't posting anything in their channels

What's stopping a50 from being scum who, seeing that, came up with something so that he doesn't look bad for initially hiding?
I recall someone asking for my Dunnstral townread, this was the post I townread him for

Keeping in mind I’m like 20 pages behind
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Post Post #911 (isolation #7) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:21 am

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The issue is that I don't see Wisdom explaining his reads that much usually, especially when unprompted. One of his well known quotes I remember from him is "i dont explain my reads".

Granted, I have took Wisdom's Wiki into consideration and I've also never seen his scumplay, so I'm not confident on this read, but am still leaning slightly scum on him. This is also why I've been planning to do some Wisdom meta but I've not gotten round to doing it yet.

Also, reaffirming my Gamma townread.
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Post Post #946 (isolation #8) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:01 pm

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In post 909, singletonking wrote:Keeping in mind I’m like 20 pages behind
Correction: It looks like I'm 30 pages behind :P
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Post Post #947 (isolation #9) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:05 pm

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In post 220, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:@BNL: Confirmation or rejection of mastina's mason claim is pretty much mandatory at this point.
FWIW, I didn't respond to this as claiming/denying this is unnecessary at this point and unnecessarily gives scum information
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Post Post #948 (isolation #10) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:07 pm

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Also someone asked me how my miller works: I investigate unfavourably to alignment checks
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Post Post #949 (isolation #11) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:29 pm

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In post 285, Drixx wrote:I can't really imagine a world where Mastina lists me as a near top town read on so few posts.
Is this your first game with Mastina?
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Post Post #950 (isolation #12) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:37 pm

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In post 296, Morality wrote:So let me ask you a question; why do you think I expect people to magically know my meta rather than having an understanding of who I am as a player? BNL has modded a semi recent scum game of mine, and has played in a game where I won as SK, so is it out of line for me to believe that he could know my scum meta? That is why I felt his push is forced. Whether I’m correct remains to be seen, but it was enough for me to want to dive deeper into it.
While I didn't like how Morality was so focused on me, this part gives me pause as it's different from any Flavor scumgame I've seen.
In fact, I kinda buy his inactivity prodges as genuine and am now townleaning him
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Post Post #951 (isolation #13) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:55 pm

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In post 937, mastina wrote:Near/Mello as a scumread has remained much the same the entire game: given that this is a hydra of WISDOM and KOKICHI OMA, their entire presence here is incredibly lackluster. (For a start, I'd expect them to have the highest post count, bar none, given that BOTH heads are prolific posters. They have a respectably high post count, one of the highest, but it's spread across two heads who should have that amount if not double BY THEMSELVES, yet alone, as a hydra of both. But there's also the content OF the posts.)
Disagree with Kokichi, I feel that their posting in mafia games have decreased sitewide overall. Mind expaining that more?
But agree with Wisdom
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #14) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:24 am

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Sorry, prodge
I'm still 20 pages behind but my attention is currently somewhere else.

I heard people are townreading S&J for Creature meta and I know nothing about Creature meta so I'll sheep that.
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Post Post #1046 (isolation #15) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:25 am

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Holy crap how long can I put this off

Brb
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #16) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:27 am

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Dunnstral*
Spike and Jet (HYDRA: Xtoxm + Creature)
Vedith Super Smash Bros. Fan
Gamma Emerald

singletonking BulletNLynchproof

Chito and Yuuri (HYDRA: Weiss Schnee + Akarin)

Joan of Arc*
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Drixx
Elena Fisher
Morality Flavor Leaf

Reasonably Psychotic* (HYDRA: Cerberus v666 + Amzela)
mastina

Almost50*
Torque

Robert2424*
Clemency*

Near x Mello (HYDRA: Wisdom + Kokichi Oma)

Pink Ball Asking for a friend (HYDRA: Alisae + the worst)
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Post Post #1048 (isolation #17) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:43 am

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On iso I think I don't like Drixx
He seems too focused on certain events
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #18) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:51 am

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In post 1049, Drixx wrote:
In post 1048, singletonking wrote:On iso I think I don't like Drixx
He seems too focused on certain events
I know right? It's almost like I'm trying to separate wheat from chaff and evaluate things which might actually help me solve the game.

Silly me.

Also ... /side eye at morality throwing out that post @ Mastina
Oh hi Drixx, you appear right when I call your name

Although I am empathetic with the situation because I'm skimming posts and coming to no conclusion
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #19) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:57 am

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I feel like it's bad that the top wagons are Vedith and Pink Ball and I don't have any real stance on either of them
I thought AFAF's posts were more likely to come from town!Alisae but I'll have to read more
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Post Post #1052 (isolation #20) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:57 am

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Also Vedith is always weird so beware voting him
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Post Post #1053 (isolation #21) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:59 am

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In post 591, Spike and Jet wrote:VOTE: reasonably psychotic

yukiterus new posts are fluff
and no, good points were not made about spike
Agreed about fluff
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #22) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:08 am

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Ok

I
really
don't like Drixx popping in to say that and leaving immediately
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Post Post #1057 (isolation #23) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:18 am

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Ok now only 10 pages behind

This game needs some direction so
VOTE: Drixx


I don't think Gamma is scum here; what are the cases on him so far?
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #24) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:20 am

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Worth asking:

NxM are you still confident on your townread on Gamma?
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #25) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:40 am

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What exactly do you agree with and what do you disagree with?
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Post Post #1064 (isolation #26) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:00 am

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In post 1063, Near x Mello wrote:also can we get votes on vedith

day is almost over

even if hes town its a fine lynch

~Near
What no

I find this scummy
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #27) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:03 am

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In post 1061, Spike and Jet wrote:agree:
all your cross outs except toog and mastina
toog has some town looking role stuff but outside of that he is extremely underwhelming so not sure its town
undecided on mast

disagree:
vedith being a bad vote
drixx being scummy/beetlejuice tell. but hes lurksacking hard so w/e
Toog's role seems town

I don't know what "beetlejuicing" is, but Drixx saying he's lost in the game yet not staying to engage feels scummy to me.
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Post Post #1098 (isolation #28) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:53 pm

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Ugh I don't know if I should be intimidated to get my vote off Drixx.
But I won't be voting Gamma or mastina.

Maybe I should vote NxM
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Post Post #1100 (isolation #29) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:05 pm

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In post 1099, Near x Mello wrote:stop scumreading us pls

~Near
Why
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Post Post #1104 (isolation #30) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:18 pm

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Actually I don't know why I'm townreading Mastina, I just thought her posts were fairly town but idk
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Post Post #1107 (isolation #31) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:24 pm

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In post 1106, Near x Mello wrote:Also Mastina blatantly lied in her post. She claims to think that as scum I post more and as town I post less (Even though this isn't true). So that contradicts what she is saying here.
How is that scum
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #32) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:30 pm

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How do you know she's not just mistaken
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Post Post #1127 (isolation #33) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:36 am

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Hmm
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Post Post #1128 (isolation #34) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:38 am

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In post 1126, Pink Ball wrote:Gamma who's vote on me is basically a scumclaim
How
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Post Post #1130 (isolation #35) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:39 am

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Vedith role seems town
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #36) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:40 am

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WHat's the case on Mastina
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Post Post #1133 (isolation #37) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:47 am

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In post 1131, singletonking wrote:WHat's the case on Mastina
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #38) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:51 am

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In post 1130, singletonking wrote:Vedith role seems town
Sorry
Fuko Ibuki from Clannad is 2007
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Post Post #1137 (isolation #39) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:56 am

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@MOD: Will you accept Fuuko Ibuki as a pick, since she featured in Clannad, an anime whose first season aired in 2007?
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Post Post #1140 (isolation #40) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:05 am

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^Possibly scum regardless of Vedith's alignment ()
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Post Post #1141 (isolation #41) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:05 am

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Meant to refer to
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Post Post #1145 (isolation #42) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:27 am

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Vedith do you confirm Fuko Ibuki as your flavor
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Post Post #1148 (isolation #43) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:35 am

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Well then
Maybe the mod will confirm that you're scum
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Post Post #1149 (isolation #44) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:35 am

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In post 1139, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 1136, singletonking wrote:
In post 1130, singletonking wrote:Vedith role seems town
Sorry
Fuko Ibuki from Clannad is 2007
In post 1137, singletonking wrote:
@MOD: Will you accept Fuuko Ibuki as a pick, since she featured in Clannad, an anime whose first season aired in 2007?
This is a valid question but a dumb concern.

If scum, fake claims should be assumed to exist; a fake claim failing to follow the rules of the game is just as likely as the moderator failing to properly curate pick submissions, and therefore NAI.

-Yukiteru
Although this is a concern I have as well
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Post Post #1150 (isolation #45) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:37 am

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I continue to dislike RP based on clarifying Vedith's role
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #46) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:41 am

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By the way, Gamma is an even worse lynch and I'd lynch mastina over him
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Post Post #1238 (isolation #47) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:38 pm

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I wanted to resurface my mod question but I see Vedith already scumclaimed.
On another note I wonder why he got lynched without the mod answering my question, and I for some reason disliked Torque's vote
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #48) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:39 pm

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Torque Toog is priest he can't hammer
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Post Post #1247 (isolation #49) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:25 pm

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In post 1161, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Speaking of my questions:

I'd like both millers to let me know how their miller functions. Only one answered(BNL/singletonking, iirc?), and they told me that they return a guilty on investigations, which does not tell me if they only return a guilty on alignment checks, or all types of checks.

-Yukiteru
In post 948, singletonking wrote:Also someone asked me how my miller works: I investigate unfavourably to alignment checks
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Post Post #1279 (isolation #50) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:37 pm

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In post 1257, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Let's do some freeform stream of consciousness type review of BNL's play, instead of that post by post bullshit I tend to do, way too much work and tags and

Significant facts known about BNL/BNL's role: Mastina has claimed to be "informed" about BNL's alignment, BNL has claimed miller, and specifically stated that he "investigates unfavorably" to alignment checks, which should mean that trackers and such will return true results on his slot.

Enters thread with the miller claim and votes dunnstral, questions mello the townread they consider giving dunnstral(valid question), townreads clemency based on the way he claimed, didn't dodge my question about his miller but asked for elaboration, scumreads Morality based on entrance, then questions morality questioning his miller claim, notes difference between NxM's posting and expected posting, doesn't find them verbose enough/as willing to explain their reads as town!them, but admits no knowledge of scum!nxm, declares strict townreads on clemency, dunnstral, torque, C&Y, and gamma, questions vedith wagon(which is 3/5 comprised of his town reads, questioning is just asking for information so probably nai?),walks back scumread of morality, explains belief that an entrance based off what someone else has said is scummy(need to check all other players entrances to see if he should have also suspected others for the same reason), also suspected him because the timing of his miller commentary felt like "overjustification"
(ask more?)
, and starts to fear it's a TvT
(why? no reason given for the fear, just an expression of uncertainty that they are scum(which is pretty shitty given that they were willing to vote them off basically nothing, and morality wasn't at risk of being lynched....)
so unvotes, questions mastina on claimed scumread of vedith and pink ball without willingness to vote them, then doubts that voting mastina is a good idea(after people start voting her), explains dunnstral townread goes back to (a suggestion that A50 could just as easily be scum explaining lurking in channels as town trying to prevent town from being stupid as they are inclined to do),notes a decision to ignore my request to confirm or deny mastina's(at this point abandoned) mason claim with him because of a concern that it unnecessarily gives scum information,moves morality to townlead from null(I guess?) based on , agrees with mastina with regards to wisdoms posting being lackluster, disagrees about kokichi head, declares a sheep of townreads on S&J for creatures meta(when in fact people were SCUMREADING S&J for creatures meta),
is a strict "not scum" sort of reads list, elaboration would be nice,
dislikes Drixx, finds Pink Ball more likely town than scum, but doesn't have much an opinion of Vedith or PB, but warns people of voting Vedith because he's always weird, agrees with S&J about fluffiness of my posts, expresses extra dislike of Drixx for disappearing after responding to his post, votes Drixx(starts the push that leads to 4 quick votes), and thinks gamma is unlikely to be scum, asks for cases, indicating a weakness in terms of certainty in his previous list(which showed gamma as not a possible lynch), finds NxM scummy for saying it's fine to lynch Vedith even if he's town(fair, but he WAS defending scum), says Toog's claimed role of dying to any targeting effect N2 seems town(I mean, it's definitely not a scum role, but I don't see it as being outside the realm of possibility for a scum fake claim), finds Drixx not staying and engaging even though he claimed to be "lost" to be scummy, refuses to vote Gamma or Mastina, floats voting NxM, admits to not knowing why they're townreading mastina besides thinking posts were fairly towny
(elaborate?> what makes the posts town?)
, questioned NxM about their assumption that Mastina was lying about NxM's scum meta, rather than just being wrong, questions PB calling gamma's vote a scumclaim and calls vedith's role town, asks for case on mastina, calls out a clear problem with scum!Vedith's claim(if no day talk, almost certainly town indicative...if day talk, NAI), thinks I am possible scum for asking Vedith details about how their role functions(One of which, had they answered, would have given the flipped town doctor STRONG evidence that they needed to counterclaim(which you totally did preemptively but we were short on time so I forgive you Drixx), expresses a SUPER strong townread of gamma, and that mastina is less of a townread than gamma at this point
(why?)


@BNL: Please respond to the concerns that are bolded/in a larger font. Most notably, please elaborate on how your reads list thingie was constructed, and how people so easily moved onto/off it, so I can know whether or not your reads actually mean anything, as well as your gamma read and where the strength in it comes from.

Overall reads like town I would say. No internal inconsistencies, except for the weird decision to unvote morality with no intentions of voting elsewhere/they were not under pressure/with no reason why they had suddenly stopped being a suspect.

Mastina+BnL are extremely unlikely to be scum together.

(I apologize for the disgusting mess of a post I don't think I'll ever do this again it's basically unreadable).

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Did you actually go through my entire iso and summarise it lol
I find this scummy

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Post Post #1281 (isolation #51) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:39 pm

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In post 1271, Near x Mello wrote:Elena, Robert, Morality

Thats the result of my reread

VOTE: Elena

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Did you just name the lowest posters in the game as scum LOL
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Post Post #1283 (isolation #52) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:44 pm

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Btw is that your own reread or did you discuss with Mello
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Post Post #1285 (isolation #53) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:50 pm

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Why is RP town
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Post Post #1287 (isolation #54) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:02 am

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Ok
I found a lot of his mechanics talk nonscumhunting-y
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Post Post #1305 (isolation #55) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:42 am

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Eh currently NxM/RP are my top two scumreads but I feel like I may be tunnelled here

I also forgot Robert and Elena existed...
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Post Post #1309 (isolation #56) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:49 am

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Eh I'll lay this down:

I see people townreading S&J, and it's basically a consensus read at this point, which content wise I agree with.
But I can't help but get bad feelings about their votes, particularly on Drixx, Vedith, and RP.
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #57) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:00 am

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In post 1257, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Let's do some freeform stream of consciousness type review of BNL's play, instead of that post by post bullshit I tend to do, way too much work and tags and

Significant facts known about BNL/BNL's role: Mastina has claimed to be "informed" about BNL's alignment, BNL has claimed miller, and specifically stated that he "investigates unfavorably" to alignment checks, which should mean that trackers and such will return true results on his slot.

Enters thread with the miller claim and votes dunnstral, questions mello the townread they consider giving dunnstral(valid question), townreads clemency based on the way he claimed, didn't dodge my question about his miller but asked for elaboration, scumreads Morality based on entrance, then questions morality questioning his miller claim, notes difference between NxM's posting and expected posting, doesn't find them verbose enough/as willing to explain their reads as town!them, but admits no knowledge of scum!nxm, declares strict townreads on clemency, dunnstral, torque, C&Y, and gamma, questions vedith wagon(which is 3/5 comprised of his town reads, questioning is just asking for information so probably nai?),walks back scumread of morality, explains belief that an entrance based off what someone else has said is scummy(need to check all other players entrances to see if he should have also suspected others for the same reason), also suspected him because the timing of his miller commentary felt like "overjustification"
(ask more?)
,
I felt like it was overjustification because it was when Morality turned on me, people stopped discussing the miller, and it felt like "People may townread BNL for this, let's shut down this reasoning" to accompany the scumread
and starts to fear it's a TvT
(why? no reason given for the fear, just an expression of uncertainty that they are scum(which is pretty shitty given that they were willing to vote them off basically nothing, and morality wasn't at risk of being lynched....)
Didn't I explain I thought some of later Morality's posts felt like town, particularly how he got back into the thread?
so unvotes, questions mastina on claimed scumread of vedith and pink ball without willingness to vote them, then doubts that voting mastina is a good idea(after people start voting her), explains dunnstral townread goes back to (a suggestion that A50 could just as easily be scum explaining lurking in channels as town trying to prevent town from being stupid as they are inclined to do),notes a decision to ignore my request to confirm or deny mastina's(at this point abandoned) mason claim with him because of a concern that it unnecessarily gives scum information,moves morality to townlead from null(I guess?) based on , agrees with mastina with regards to wisdoms posting being lackluster, disagrees about kokichi head, declares a sheep of townreads on S&J for creatures meta(when in fact people were SCUMREADING S&J for creatures meta),
is a strict "not scum" sort of reads list, elaboration would be nice,
Toog was because of his later claim. Clemency was because the way he approaced his miller claim.
The rest were gut. Everyone I crossed off was a townread of confortable strength
dislikes Drixx, finds Pink Ball more likely town than scum, but doesn't have much an opinion of Vedith or PB, but warns people of voting Vedith because he's always weird, agrees with S&J about fluffiness of my posts, expresses extra dislike of Drixx for disappearing after responding to his post, votes Drixx(starts the push that leads to 4 quick votes), and thinks gamma is unlikely to be scum, asks for cases, indicating a weakness in terms of certainty in his previous list(which showed gamma as not a possible lynch), finds NxM scummy for saying it's fine to lynch Vedith even if he's town(fair, but he WAS defending scum), says Toog's claimed role of dying to any targeting effect N2 seems town(I mean, it's definitely not a scum role, but I don't see it as being outside the realm of possibility for a scum fake claim), finds Drixx not staying and engaging even though he claimed to be "lost" to be scummy, refuses to vote Gamma or Mastina, floats voting NxM, admits to not knowing why they're townreading mastina besides thinking posts were fairly towny
(elaborate?> what makes the posts town?)
, questioned NxM about their assumption that Mastina was lying about NxM's scum meta, rather than just being wrong, questions PB calling gamma's vote a scumclaim and calls vedith's role town, asks for case on mastina, calls out a clear problem with scum!Vedith's claim(if no day talk, almost certainly town indicative...if day talk, NAI), thinks I am possible scum for asking Vedith details about how their role functions(One of which, had they answered, would have given the flipped town doctor STRONG evidence that they needed to counterclaim(which you totally did preemptively but we were short on time so I forgive you Drixx), expresses a SUPER strong townread of gamma, and that mastina is less of a townread than gamma at this point
(why?)
Mastina is a read I really have trouble explaining. I just had a gut feeling about mastina feeling town. I can't really justify it further.
Gamma was because he made a string of posts that seems mildly town motivated which NxM proceeded to call town and I sheeoed that read.

@BNL: Please respond to the concerns that are bolded/in a larger font. Most notably, please elaborate on how your reads list thingie was constructed, and how people so easily moved onto/off it, so I can know whether or not your reads actually mean anything, as well as your gamma read and where the strength in it comes from.

Overall reads like town I would say. No internal inconsistencies, except for the weird decision to unvote morality with no intentions of voting elsewhere/they were not under pressure/with no reason why they had suddenly stopped being a suspect.

Mastina+BnL are extremely unlikely to be scum together.

(I apologize for the disgusting mess of a post I don't think I'll ever do this again it's basically unreadable).

-Yukiteru
Also this entire post feels like a grab for towncred rather than actual sorting
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Post Post #1313 (isolation #58) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:06 am

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In post 1310, Near x Mello wrote:youre unbelievable though joan

you asked me not to be too sure of myself/control my ego etc (basically not be wisdom) and im doing it, i have barely pushed anyone in the game

to the point where I weird people out into scumreading me

and yet you still get to make the usual nonsensical attacks at me

so is it time to ignore you and return to being myself?

~Near
In post 427, Near x Mello wrote:i feel like being more cooperative

dunno what prompts it

maybe the hydra

~Near
?
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Post Post #1533 (isolation #59) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:51 am

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I feel like if Morality is scum he's underplaying his scum game

Sunday's a rest day for me, I'll catch up tomorrow
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Post Post #1697 (isolation #60) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:50 am

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Sorry I could'nt catch up today.
In the meantime, here's my vote:
VOTE: Reasonably Psychotic
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Post Post #1753 (isolation #61) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:20 am

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In post 1734, Elena Fisher wrote:Ok my brain is going into a bit of a shutdown and I'm skimming the last 4 pages wanting to be over. That's a sign that I should stop. I will however vote here.
VOTE: Clem
Now some people might be. 'But Elena you never talked about Clem in like any of your iso!' You'd be correct in that.
He was a hard null read that made me want to comment on almost none of his posts besides the recent ones on 66/55 all the sideline posting seems to be scum trying to fuel the flames. I dislike it
While I dislike the Clemency vote I townread the bolded
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Post Post #1754 (isolation #62) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:27 am

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Joan, mastina being right in one game does not mean she's right in every game. She can be infallible.
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Post Post #1755 (isolation #63) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:38 am

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Well that was a lot of pages on that topic
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Post Post #1756 (isolation #64) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:28 am

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NxM how did you go back to Morality scum after calling him town?

S&J still continues to ping me
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Post Post #1902 (isolation #65) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:06 pm

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:(

Morality were you just OMGUSing players
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Post Post #1907 (isolation #66) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:09 pm

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In any case "you should know I'm town" isn't a valid reason to scumread players
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Post Post #1917 (isolation #67) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:16 pm

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I feel Robert is too easy a mislynch if he's town

Is he scum for something other than lurking?
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Post Post #1925 (isolation #68) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:23 pm

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Ok I see the aformentioned inconsistency with Robert
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Post Post #1971 (isolation #69) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:28 pm

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S&J is hopping on a wagon when it appears, I don't like it
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Post Post #2036 (isolation #70) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:50 am

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Is this game dead lol
Something tells me I don't like the Robert wagon
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Post Post #2037 (isolation #71) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:52 am

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I had a change in heart with NxM
I realised their posting is going to be different from their usual scum and town games
And I believe what they're currently posting is out of their scum range
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Post Post #2039 (isolation #72) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:57 am

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I also think Morality/Flavor Leaf is town, I think his frustration was town
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Post Post #2040 (isolation #73) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:57 am

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Idk I just have bad feelings about it
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Post Post #2043 (isolation #74) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:05 am

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I guess I just disliked how the wagon creeped up on him
I didn't realise he had a large wagon until I saw the VC
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Post Post #2045 (isolation #75) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:11 am

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I'm a bit detached
But currently RP and S&J
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Post Post #2046 (isolation #76) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:13 am

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Robert, Pink Ball are my nulls
And maybe also C&Y and Elena
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Post Post #2048 (isolation #77) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:18 am

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In post 2047, Flavor Leaf wrote:just me and my triple vote.
???

L-3 is big imo
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Post Post #2053 (isolation #78) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:32 am

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In post 2052, Near x Mello wrote:but im staying here until robert produces something townreadable
Are you expecting this to be productive
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Post Post #2054 (isolation #79) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:33 am

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On second thoughts I may have messed up how Flavor reacts to pressure, I need to accurately check his past games again

Toogeloo should be on my null list too, I'm just not lynching him today

Everyone else I townread to some extent
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Post Post #2107 (isolation #80) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:03 pm

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Clemency is town
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #81) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:09 pm

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In post 2096, Gamma Emerald wrote:As I said I haven't really tried to get reads as I'd assumed I'd get them eventually just by staying current
I think the issue is no one is really challenging anything beyond the consistent "I think you're wrong"
We're halfway through Day 2 and you still have no reads?
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Post Post #2115 (isolation #82) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:53 am

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Welcome, ooba!

So I reread some Flavor meta and it appears I got his meta wrong, he seems to omgus against pressure on him as scum too.
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Post Post #2116 (isolation #83) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:53 am

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Also why are the top wagons in the game always my most null reads
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Post Post #2413 (isolation #84) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:16 pm

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I have no idea how to read FL, but I’m tempted to vote them because the top two scumhunters in this game are hard scumreading them
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Post Post #2512 (isolation #85) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:35 am

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf
I trust NxM and mastina's ability to read them, and I don't think they're both scum

I don't like how ooba is taking a long time to catch up

Agreed on Dunn town meta
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Post Post #2513 (isolation #86) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:36 am

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I think I need this: what are the claimed neighbourhoods again, the one containg FL? Channel 5?
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Post Post #2516 (isolation #87) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:43 am

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I mean all members of claimed neighbourhoods

In particular Ch 5
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Post Post #2518 (isolation #88) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:50 am

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I actually thought Vedith's vote on Pink Ball earlier was for show, and I saw it as potential distancing
But reading back I see Pink Ball was the most serious counterwagon to Vedith so I lean town there


Town
Torque, mastina, Ankamius
Dunnstral, Joan
NxM, Gamma, C&Y, Almost50, Pink Ball
Elena, ooba = Null
FL, RP, S&J
Scum

Is roughly where I'm currently at
And I've realised I've not been sorting Toog, because probably his role, but based of what I remember he is probably in null
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Post Post #2519 (isolation #89) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:51 am

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I didn't ask you to claim your channel
And you shouldn't given that no one asked
And it hasnt even been outed yet iirc
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Post Post #2706 (isolation #90) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:12 pm

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Sigh
If the game keeps going at this rate I'm not going to be able to catch up
I can't read 10 pages/day
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Post Post #2709 (isolation #91) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:39 pm

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Reason I'm scumreading S&J is because I find a lot of his votes unprecedented, and when a wagon appears he jumps on it saying "yeah this is scum". Like his Drixx mastina Vedith votes yesterday, and he did so 3 times today. He also had a lot of "yeah I agree" pop ins.

I feel like this may be outdated though. Are people townreading him for "Creature meta" or something?
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Post Post #2719 (isolation #92) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:50 pm

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UNVOTE: Severa

I know who you are. I know you are very good as town but also very good as scum. I don't want to risk mislynching you.
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Post Post #2724 (isolation #93) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:25 pm

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In post 2721, Dunnstral wrote:Alignments don't change with replace-ins by the way

If that makes you unvote you didn't have a good reason to vote to begin with
I know that, but the skill level of the player changes.
I was willing to risk losing town!Flavor for the chance he was scum based of NxM and mastina's reads.
I am no longer willing to risk losing town!Severa
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Post Post #2747 (isolation #94) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:32 am

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Eh I can
VOTE: Spike and Jet
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Post Post #2795 (isolation #95) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:39 am

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I like Severa's reads and agree with them, especially the townreads

Severa herself seems kinda underwhelming though
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Post Post #2798 (isolation #96) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:40 am

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Though Severa's reads are too close to consensus for my liking
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Post Post #2809 (isolation #97) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:48 am

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In post 2805, Ankamius wrote:
In post 2795, singletonking wrote:I like Severa's reads and agree with them, especially the townreads

Severa herself seems kinda underwhelming though
In post 2798, singletonking wrote:Though Severa's reads are too close to consensus for my liking
I'm working on this in the PT, stk

Severa specifically has to be looking to pocket me in order to be scum here and that isn't something I expect them to enter the thread with
What are you saying here?
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Post Post #2814 (isolation #98) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:50 am

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I'm not sure what the consensus is on S&J but a lot of Severa's reads are quite consensus
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Post Post #2816 (isolation #99) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:51 am

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Dunn seems town to me based on some experiences, though it's quite anti-town
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Post Post #2837 (isolation #100) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:09 am

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In post 2818, Severa wrote:
In post 2814, singletonking wrote:I'm not sure what the consensus is on S&J but a lot of Severa's reads are quite consensus
1) I don't have the option of making incorrect reads for the sake of having them be not consensus to look townier

2) coming up with obvious or consensus reads has never been an accused failing of my towngame
Yes, I know

I still overall lean scum on you but I don't want to lynch you today
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Post Post #2839 (isolation #101) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:10 am

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Severa are you a public alt btw
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Post Post #2874 (isolation #102) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:16 am

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NxM do you have a lockscum read on Flavor?

Idk I feel NxM's last few posts are missing something and scummy, while I also still think RC has a decent chance of being scum

But I really don't want to lynch either today
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Post Post #2876 (isolation #103) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:19 am

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Sorry, I did see you say that, and because the thread is active when I'm asleep I can't read properly

But you're confident enough to ignore RC?
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Post Post #2879 (isolation #104) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:22 am

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tfw replacements cause more replacements
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Post Post #2880 (isolation #105) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:25 am

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NxM I hope you realise me questioning you is me trying to work with you and not pushing you

RC isn't even attacking you
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Post Post #2882 (isolation #106) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:29 am

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Still willing to lynch RP, if we want to push this game in a non-toxic direction
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Post Post #2971 (isolation #107) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:18 pm

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In post 2887, Near x Mello wrote:VOTE: spike

upon rereading i think rc is prolly right and i just wanted fl to be scum

with that in mind its prolly spike/elena/rp

~Near
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This post sucks
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Post Post #2973 (isolation #108) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:24 pm

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I still feel RC has a decent chance of being scum

But I don't like how NxM *just* changed his opinion on both RC and S&J
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Post Post #2974 (isolation #109) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:26 pm

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In post 2960, Near x Mello wrote:regardless of alignment i think xtoxm prolly felt frustrated with being read exclusive off crrature content

~Near
I understand, it's how I felt in Mail early game

Was I the only one scumreading the slot off Xtoxm and not Creature? lol
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Post Post #2975 (isolation #110) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:28 pm

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At the same time though, Creature *is* doing nothing
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Post Post #3002 (isolation #111) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:51 pm

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In post 2976, Severa wrote:i think you're better than to be a useless lurksack this long in a game.
Is this to me

Btw I don't see this RC/Wisdom conversation going anywhere
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Post Post #3006 (isolation #112) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:53 pm

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In post 2995, Near x Mello wrote:
In post 2994, Severa wrote:wow the best scum player ever is going to bus me and win the game for me this is SO AWFUL i'm gonna ragequit the game!!
Why would xtoxm think like this
He doesnt have experience with you so its safe to believe he doesnt consider you "the best scumplayer ever"
you enter the game and build up a wagon on him based on his hydra buddy meta, while up to now he was doing a great job playing like town and avoiding being scumread
Is it unreasonable he goes "fuck this" and leaves?

~Neae
I'm pretty sure RC said this as a Xtoxm viewpoint to show why it was implausible
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Post Post #3045 (isolation #113) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:26 pm

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In post 3029, Near x Mello wrote:
In post 3025, Ankamius wrote:I think we're exactly where we were like 8 posts ago
I disagree. I am showing RC is not making sense.
How does RC not making sense make him scum
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Post Post #3052 (isolation #114) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:33 pm

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In post 3046, Near x Mello wrote:how often do you see people replacing out because theyre suddenly scumread
Why is that something that makes sense
Getting scumread is part of the game

On the other hand it makes total sense to replace out because a scumbuddy hardbuses you to save himself without previous agreement
So what you're saying is that RC is using nonsense to counter an argument for scum!him, rather than RC being scum by virtue of not making sense?
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Post Post #3053 (isolation #115) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:33 pm

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Idk about you but I'd feel less pressured as scum when a buddy pushes me than when a townie pushes me
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Post Post #3063 (isolation #116) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:41 pm

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Gamma what are your reads on Severa/NxM/S&J/ooba
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Post Post #3068 (isolation #117) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:44 pm

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FTR I am scumleaning RC. I believe RC is capable of much more as town, and what he's doing now is certainly not out of his scum range
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Post Post #3073 (isolation #118) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:52 pm

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In post 3055, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3023, Near x Mello wrote:Its bad for the scumteam
but you obv think youre the best scum ever and dont need any buddies, so
Yeah NxM is in the "backpedaling and making shit up" phase
How is NxM backpedaling
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Post Post #3087 (isolation #119) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:50 pm

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Severa isn’t scum because they’re bussing
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Post Post #3102 (isolation #120) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:21 am

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Creature were you scum?
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Post Post #3108 (isolation #121) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:37 am

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What the heck
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Post Post #3110 (isolation #122) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:38 am

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That’s what I thought too
Then I rechecked the wagon
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Post Post #3112 (isolation #123) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:40 am

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I have serious doubts about this wagon because of how quickly it sprang up, but I kept quiet to reaction test Creature

I didn’t expect someone to hammer in the meantime
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Post Post #3113 (isolation #124) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:42 am

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I think I need to say this now
If Creature is town I really don't like the way C&Y played the wagon
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Post Post #3115 (isolation #125) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:44 am

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In post 3104, Creature wrote:
In post 3102, singletonking wrote:Creature were you scum?
Yes. RC told me to WIFOM this.
This is why I town really needs to stop trolling
This is an obvious troll because he supposedly claimed RC as a scumbuddy
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Post Post #3117 (isolation #126) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:45 am

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RC is scum either way
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Post Post #3119 (isolation #127) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:45 am

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Creature you're hammered please stop trolling
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Post Post #3121 (isolation #128) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:46 am

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In post 3097, Near x Mello wrote:nah scratch elena actually
i forgot shes not likely scum with flslot
Explain?
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Post Post #3125 (isolation #129) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:48 am

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In post 2890, Chito and Yuuri wrote:
In post 2889, Pink Ball wrote:VOTE: Spike and Jet

I wanted Gamma but it's not happening :(
Chito: but you were just on Elena?
In post 2900, Chito and Yuuri wrote:
In post 2799, Spike and Jet wrote:
In post 2710, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: Yeah we were hoping to get Creature's reaction, I had already seen your reaction Jet. Creature has a lot of familiarity with Gamma and I feel like he completely ignored the discussion about her so I don't know what's going on with that.
Well, I can't read Gamma that easily, sorry.

Giving a solid read on him is almost a 50/50 chance of going terribly wrong.
Chito: may be a weird question but did anyone else read this as xtoxm pretending to be creature?
In post 3036, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Severa: if Creature were to flip town, would you still think that you should be obvtown to the rest of the game, or is that contingent on Creature flipping scum?

-Yuuri
What do you think of C&Y?
I feel that these posts are scum indicative especially if Creature is town
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Post Post #3126 (isolation #130) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:49 am

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Creature do you have any N1 results
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Post Post #3128 (isolation #131) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:51 am

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After the S&J wagon sprang up C&Y still tries sorting them that way
This isn't how town gamesolves. This is what scum faking gamesolving look like
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Post Post #3130 (isolation #132) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:56 am

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Eh idk
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Post Post #3131 (isolation #133) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:57 am

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Eh given how uncooperative Creature is posthammer he was probably actually scum
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Post Post #3133 (isolation #134) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:00 am

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In post 3126, singletonking wrote:Creature do you have any N1 results
^
Although claiming them in your neighbourhood is probably better
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Post Post #3135 (isolation #135) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:02 am

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Sadly circumstances surrounding the wagon indicate so
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Post Post #3137 (isolation #136) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:05 am

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Maybe not wagon speed, but the fact that I could not find a single person townreading or defending them
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Post Post #3139 (isolation #137) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:08 am

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Idk
But tbh Creature is actually scum due to posthammer plays, unless he also does this as town
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Post Post #3140 (isolation #138) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:10 am

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I think I want to ask you again about C&Y
I iso'd everyone offwagon and tried to find their stances on S&J
C&Y popped out because they were still sorting creature
Don't to think it felt inappropriate given the gamestate?
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Post Post #3142 (isolation #139) » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:16 am

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In post 466, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 444, Asking for a friend wrote:Daily reminder that creature only has 2 posts in thread
He has 3. Clear attempt to mislead us.

VOTE: Asking for a friend
I would also like to ask you
If Creature is scum do you think this is chainsawing
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Post Post #3157 (isolation #140) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:51 am

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bah
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Post Post #6053 (isolation #141) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:20 pm

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Well GG, my reads sucked

I would never have guessed Torque was scum
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Post Post #6054 (isolation #142) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:23 pm

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Had no idea how to play my role, I was supposed to target Dunnstral Night 2, but ended up targeting RC because I valued a PT with RC more than Dunn.

I don't think it was objectively the wrong choice? I just got unlucky IMO, but would like to seek opinions on how to play my role.
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Post Post #6058 (isolation #143) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:34 pm

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In post 6055, Ankamius wrote:Severa getting vigged fucked me up too dw
Wait what happened
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Post Post #6059 (isolation #144) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:35 pm

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And mhsmith0 why did you give me a negative utility >.<
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Post Post #6064 (isolation #145) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:52 pm

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In post 6060, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 6054, singletonking wrote:Had no idea how to play my role, I was supposed to target Dunnstral Night 2, but ended up targeting RC because I valued a PT with RC more than Dunn.

I don't think it was objectively the wrong choice? I just got unlucky IMO, but would like to seek opinions on how to play my role.
It was objectively a poor choice because RC was pretty clearly inside vig pool. Then again role was designed to die so shrugs
In post 6059, singletonking wrote:And mhsmith0 why did you give me a negative utility >.<
I randed three slots to have powerful roles regardless of flavor and you didnt win that one, sorry. Dunn role was probably the most obvious “wait why the hell is this role non shitty” tbh :P
How was I to know that there was a vig in the game...

And I mean I don't get a powerful role but I don't have to get trash, right?
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Post Post #6065 (isolation #146) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:52 pm

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Eh do my posts sound like I'm annoyingly complaining about my role
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Post Post #6067 (isolation #147) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:55 pm

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I was fully planning to drop my role because N5 is very late

It was a no brainer, really
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Post Post #6068 (isolation #148) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:55 pm

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And keep in mind that I'd have suicided as well if I did go that route given that I'd have taregtted Dunnstral
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Post Post #6069 (isolation #149) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:56 pm

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Then again I have no idea how to play my replacement role, so...
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Post Post #6080 (isolation #150) » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:57 pm

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Mastina how accurate is that thing in reading you

Does it read you as town all the time?

Or does it read you pretty accurately? If so it's kind of a trust tell.
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