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TBH this is the first time where I don't place a vote during the early game.In post 37, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Tell me, DrDonothing, do you always hesitate to place a vote during the early game? Do you not think that Dann's Point of view is odd enough to place a vote down at this stage of the game?
I think this is just Dannflor looking like a Dannflor. Most likely not AIYumeko Jabami wrote:However, post 33 by Dannflor looks like scum grilling awkward town to me... or at least it's what I'd expect to be happening. Dannflor would certainly be the logical place to place a vote right now.- DrDolittle
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That's what my bully said in third grade.In post 37, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Like, trying to fit in but not really fitting in awkward.
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It's because the mod did that immediately before my post numbnutIn post 109, Mary Saotome wrote:
Baka. What is this useless question for? The answer here is obviously no. Of course, it's not okay to do this. You bringing up this topic in the first place is dumb! You could've talked about my vanilla townie claim or something else of relevance.In post 27, DrDolittle wrote:But let's discuss a more important issue that's critical to finding scum. Is it OK for a mod to amend vote counts to account for votes that occur after the vote count post?- DrDolittle
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This line of thought I think comes from town.In post 113, Mary Saotome wrote:When has this ever been a problem before? I certainly see a lot of people acting like it is. Yet no one is saying why. Why am I not in the same boat as this guy? I voted no lynch and no one is questioning that. You're voting a guy for voting a no poster. Really grasping at straws here people.\
because if its not ok then should probably be noted so the mod doesnt do it again.In post 114, Mary Saotome wrote: That's the mod. How is talking about what the mod does useful in any way? This isn't a bastard game or anything. zzzzzzzzzz Give me better than this. Really it's quite boring
I like playing with this guy and will strongly advocate against his lynch.
Meh I scum read Flippy based on this. It's odd. Yumeko random tunnelled me. But now I'm your biggest scum read. In response you should see Yumeko as a strong town read? This set of read list doesn't make any sense.In post 145, Emperor flippyNips wrote:Yeah he never did. He asked me a couple things then moved on. As others kept grilling me. Someone who came in voted me based off of ssbm & Dann is hopkirk gamma & lich.
I have a scum lean on most of these people except dann he’s leanin town.
I also feel like the animal Doc could be scum based off of yumeko calling them out and their reaction.
Speaking of yumeko I get weird vibes from them but as of rn it’s a null/townlean for them.
Lovebird is a null read something about her makes me want to lean scum maybe I just want my RVS to be right idk.
People that look like the best D1 hammer to me would be drdolittle or maybe temporallich
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Yuck. I really do want to see some thought process behind all the jumps. it could be a playstyle thing but its antagonizing.In post 167, TemporalLich wrote:I looked at his ISO and his reason for his scumread doesn't hold up anymore.
Lovebird is still "potentially town" though.
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Eh that relies on a lot of assumptions. and really depends on playstyle. I would give TL a little more leeway to go through thoughts.In post 175, Dannflor wrote: I'd expect less confidence and "willingness to be under pressure" as you put it and more waffleing. As both alignments. I don't think the fact that he's a new player really impacts my read in this case.
??? Aren't these opposites???In post 194, Gamma Emerald wrote: Her posts look like they are really in the moment, and are more thought up.
It's way too much of a surface level read here to make me feel comfortable. Eyes on Dannflor. Feeling definitely a bit uneasy here.In post 216, Dannflor wrote:TBH, I initially interpreted your post as you "don't like Lich as the lynch," because your post makes 0 sense otherwise.
What do you think about the fact that TL hopped equal strength wagons in #76 when he could have just stayed on DDL easily?
If you think TL is still the lynch, why don't you vote it? If you're still trying to get a read on Gamma, she's been around, interact with her.
I'm lean-town on kyouko for this post.In post 220, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Size isn't all that matters with those wagons. If my reads are correct, emperor's wagon was 2 town pushing hard on another town, and scum!TL could see that as an oportunity to get onto a wagon with traction for free, whereas the DDL wagon was comprised of RVS/insubstantive votes. Do your Hopkirk thing, but that's the scum motivation I can see.
so scum right? Or omgus scum?In post 246, TemporalLich wrote:Mary is strictly NAI with a side of fries.
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Cause in the game Dann and I played I literally expressed exasperation over "get scum read for not doing much early game regardless of alignment". Dann are we friends? I would say so.In post 247, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
DoDonothing, you say in post 48 that this is the first time you don't place a vote in the early game. Setting aside the why for now, what do you think of Dannflor saying you get scum read for not doing much early game regardless of alignment? The statements aren't quite contradictions to each other, but I thought it was close enough to one that it was curious. What kind of experience do the two of you share, anyway? It seems you've played together, would you guys say you're friends? Friendly acquaintances? Or are you just nobodies to each other? DrDonothing in particular seemed to indicate familiarity in post 48, while Dannflor seemed more distant when talking about DDN in post 159. Ah, so cold Dannflor! It's not nice to treat your friends that way you know?
This is pretty scummy. Not sure if its coaching or advice giving, but it's a big long winded paragraph with much ado about nothing. looks like content, and is really not.
Don't you think it's a bit early to be calling people town? Or does ssbm just wear their heart on their sleave?
I'm working on the presumption that you didn't dig into my post too deeply, but instead scanned it. Which is ok - well not really, I work hard on those - it doesn't really say much about your alignment. The point I'm trying to make is that putting in effort doesn't make somebody town - you seem like a fish out of water, latching onto other people's scumread. This is one of your first times playing mafia, right? I get the feeling you're nervous, not because you're mafia, but because you're a new player trying to fit. That's not to say that youcan'tbe mafia - I'm trying to figure out your flighty attitude. Full disclosure, I read a bit ahead in the thread before posting this stuff, so I'm partially judging you based on stuff past this post as well.
Your post surprised me, because it seemed like you somehow missed the first post and only saw the second. That or you're just a little too naive.
Jabroni are you for real? You rewrite Goethe's Faust in this post, and then essentially put a naked vote on RC? VOTE: YumekoDann certainly is interesting, I'm all fired up over here. Can you tell? In any case, there's this one other player, they're just so very boring. Honestly, it's a drag. Good chance they're scum too. Hey, we should team up, let's get all the boring out of here. What do you say?
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I cede to your experience in playing with you players but how is 1 and 2 not contradictory. You are saying he's adding too much *fluff* and not explaining anything at the same time?In post 258, RadiantCowbells wrote: I'm going to define a new term here because I don't think it's something that's in the popular lexicon and I think it's really important to reading newbies in particular.
There's a lie detecting tell with people in real life where when they're lying they give extraneous details, overexplain things, etc.
The mafia equivalent which we see in these posts is all this excessive fluff added on to these votes.
I'm gonna call it "scum overwording" and it's one of the most tried and true scumtells when it comes to reading newbies.
Notably I have played with more newbies than anyone else in this game and probably in site history, so that should come up with a lot of force behind it.
Another major thing is the lack of newbie unconfidence with the reads. There's no explanations behind things. He just kinda comes up with reads. SSBM town, no explanation. Lovebird town was complete what the fuck and though that kind of overreading into associatives is reasonably common from newbies the original read that lovebird came from was totally out of nowhere.
seems like a pretty reasonable entrance to me. Thoughts on gamma + dann aligns with me. At least doesn't seem to have any agenda moving forward and telling it as it is.In post 267, xwing wrote: dann is obvtown for me..hopping all around and trying to engage everyone..same vibes as our last game..
gamma is certainly exerting effort compared to last game, but i dunno if it's AI..like her initial suspicion on emperor i found to be townie (where she called out emp's seemingly random vote as scummy, i saw her point because what she's saying is emp said he wanted to do a "random" vote but voted on someone with 0 votes in them and she found it scummy)..at best i can say she's trying to scumhunt compared to our last game..
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hey rc^In post 280, DrDolittle wrote:
I cede to your experience in playing with you players but how is 1 and 2 not contradictory. You are saying he's adding too much *fluff* and not explaining anything at the same time?In post 258, RadiantCowbells wrote: I'm going to define a new term here because I don't think it's something that's in the popular lexicon and I think it's really important to reading newbies in particular.
There's a lie detecting tell with people in real life where when they're lying they give extraneous details, overexplain things, etc.
The mafia equivalent which we see in these posts is all this excessive fluff added on to these votes.
I'm gonna call it "scum overwording" and it's one of the most tried and true scumtells when it comes to reading newbies.
Notably I have played with more newbies than anyone else in this game and probably in site history, so that should come up with a lot of force behind it.
Another major thing is the lack of newbie unconfidence with the reads. There's no explanations behind things. He just kinda comes up with reads. SSBM town, no explanation. Lovebird town was complete what the fuck and though that kind of overreading into associatives is reasonably common from newbies the original read that lovebird came from was totally out of nowhere.
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I don't see much to comment on. I'd first like to understand the rc's line of reasoning + I don't think the wagon is that justified since it could be a playstyle thing, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if the wagon went through.In post 316, Dannflor wrote:My only worries right now are Gamma and DDL skating by/not really commenting on the TL wagon in their cases,- DrDolittle
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Yeah I guesss coaching wasn't the explicit term I'm looking for. But rather, you're soft defending him in a way. Like the stuff that you said, is not going to fly if TL said it himself, but it a third purported neutral party said something ate likeIn post 320, Yumeko Jabami wrote: Why the implication that I'd be scum coaching my partner in the main thread rather than behind closed doors? Can you help me understand your thought process here?"This is one of your first times playing mafia, right? I get the feeling you're nervous, not because you're mafia, but because you're a new player trying to fit.", maybe people would be convinced otherwise.
That's fine. But you added the wishy washy"That's not to say that you can't be mafia - I'm trying to figure out your flighty attitude. "which sounds like you're setting up a read flip, despite, if I'm reading correctly you having a town read on him.
Either youre trying to pocket weak-town, or trying to help scum-partner, I think that post seems heavily scum motivated.- DrDolittle
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hey xwing why is ssbm your strongest town read?In post 391, xwing wrote:strongest town for me is kyouko though..- DrDolittle
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I must have missed it. What's the qIn post 416, xwing wrote:my question directly at you when that question was in a post by its own..- DrDolittle
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didn't think about it much at all.In post 373, xwing wrote:DDL, what do you think of hop voting gamma while wanting a TL lynch?- DrDolittle
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I think Hop is scum number 2. We need to pressure him for his Gamma read today because he claims consistently throughout D1 that Lich should be lynched and instead votes Gamma, saying it's to gather a read. He says the process is ongoing but that he's still working on it, then all of a sudden he comes in and votes TL when he hits L-2, which looks like scum that wasn't yet committed to the bus finally going for it. He offers towncred to anyone who hammers and I think it's scummy to publicly offer towncred ever- DrDolittle
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For reference here's the only mention of TL near 225 by HopIn post 215, Hopkirk wrote: TL is still the lynch.- DrDolittle
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dw its still there.
then i thouhgt about it since night was pretty longi thought you didnt think much of it at all?- DrDolittle
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Can you clarify this? To me this seems more aligned with Yumeko being town since that scum fabricating miller claim requires knowledge of there being a cop role but in normals cops are not typically seen.In post 536, Vedith wrote:In post 504, Slaxx wrote:Temporal Lich, Mafia Goon, was lynched Day 1.In post 507, Slaxx wrote:Dannflor died during the night. He was a Town JOAT (1-PT Cop, 1-Doctor, 1-Commuter)
Doesn't match up so far.In post 36, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I'm a miller!- DrDolittle
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wonder whether i should sit pretty and just wait for this. worked last timeIn post 526, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'll hold off until I'm ready to big post- DrDolittle
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Or you know, a 1-shot cop could be thrown into a game to make it balanced when a normal cop is too op.In post 573, Yumeko Jabami wrote:PT Cop and Miller has a special interaction, he is a type of cop that can investigate me after I've claimed miller and get an innocent result on me.
When I see PT Cop, the first thing I think of is that one of a neighborhood, neighborizor, or masons exists in the game to mess with the results. And so I think that that is likely in this game, and that that is another part of the reason a 1-shot pt cop is in the game. In case none of these roles exist, I posit that from a setup speculation/mechanical viewpoint, it actually means my claim of miller is a town claim. If I have the only role in the game that interacts with a PT cop in a way separate from a normal cop, that indicates that my role is the reason for his role, and therefore that I'm being truthful about my role.
To put it a simpler way, I argue that a 1-shot PT cop isn't something that gets thrown into a game to confuse people with it's confusion, it's not used as a red herring - it must have some form of special interaction with another role that warrants its inclusion over a regular cop.
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this hypothesis presumes what other people who are dead are doing.In post 648, Mary Saotome wrote:Your crumbs calling me and Yumeko are invalid because me and Yumeko know each other losers. Of course, she's gonna address me. Our accounts are even from the same show.
If I was really her partner she wouldn't crumb to me like that over and over. If anything she'd probably crumb to me about something from our show that you losers would never get.
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Pretty down to follow thisIn post 649, Mary Saotome wrote:Emperor Flippynips, xwing, Vedith, DrDolittle < Don't touch
Hopkirk,>Chennisden>Gamma Emerald> RadiantCowbells,
Not that you people will listen to me anyway~- DrDolittle
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