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Post Post #39 (isolation #0) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:30 am

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In post 9, BNL wrote:
I am a miller


VOTE: Dunnstral
In post 10, Clemency wrote:oh yeah same btw
In post 11, Clemency wrote:this is what happens when you pick antagonists
I dislike the interaction above, and think it reflects poorly on Clemency.
In post 26, Drixx wrote:VOTE: Clemecny

No Clemency!
99% this is a real vote from Drixx if he's town, for the same reason. Less likely to think he's town given that he's hiding a real vote(which has a typo, which may or may not have been intentional and thus may or may not actually show up given the automated systems being used for vote counting) under the guise of RVS+joke.
In post 31, Robert2424 wrote:
Vote Near x Mello


Still Policy voting here, new game same crap.
Please don't. Not D1. Leave your bullshit behind, deal with it on D2 maybe. Let D1 be the fruitful scumhunting day it can be, without burying it beneath past grudges.
In post 35, Asking for a friend wrote:I think hoods should be claimed early.
BnL should pick up a new role pm tonight.
Aside from that I am probably going to let the duck post on my behalf, atleast for D1. This is bound to be a clusterfuck and I want to just post funny memes until we get some flips going.
Agreed on millers picking up new role PM's as soon as possible, and believe they should making full claims immediately prior to changing their role; public claim preferred, hood claim MIGHT be okay IF hood contents are known.

However.

I'd like an elaboration upon the benefits you see coming from sharing hood membership early. Yes, this is a test.
In post 38, Torque wrote:
In post 35, Asking for a friend wrote:I think hoods should be claimed early.
BnL should pick up a new role pm tonight.
Aside from that I am probably going to let the duck post on my behalf, atleast for D1. This is bound to be a clusterfuck and I want to just post funny memes until we get some flips going.
I'm outing it the moment i sense a wolf in my chat. And I think its the same case for all the other chats too that its not mod announced who's in their respective channels, so it could be a good idea to pluck out wolves lurking in channels.

BnL can't swap until N3 or something
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VOTE: Reasonably Psychotic
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I'd also like you to elaborate, in detail, about your hood thoughts...but only after Asking responds.

This is me deliberately not signing because Amz and I have not decided how we'll be signing this account.
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Post Post #47 (isolation #1) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:19 am

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In post 45, mastina wrote:
In post 43, Clemency wrote:no you're not but nice try
True enough, but realclaim talk, I actually am one with the other miller claim.
Explicit mason claim with BulletNLynchproof? Literal mod confirmation of your alignments to one another, and not the SU1 BS you pulled with Drixx and I?

@miller claims: Elaborate on the details of how your miller modifier functions.

Again choosing not to sign deliberately.
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Post Post #69 (isolation #2) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:03 pm

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In post 62, Almost50 wrote:OK, so here's a declaration: I won't claim which channel(s) I'm in and won't be posting in them either for the time being. You should all be concerned I could read what you say in your channel(s) without you realizing I'm in it.

Spoiler:
Damn, I couldn't have come up with a scummier declaration. Couple that with my RVS vote on myself, and I should be considered the antichrist of the game by all other players already. :twisted:
A50 is town or he/his partners are much better than me.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #3) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:11 pm

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Nope! No signing until we decide how we're signing! <3

(Also it was cerb)
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Post Post #78 (isolation #4) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:03 pm

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In post 39, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 9, BNL wrote:
I am a miller


VOTE: Dunnstral
In post 10, Clemency wrote:oh yeah same btw
In post 11, Clemency wrote:this is what happens when you pick antagonists
I dislike the interaction above, and think it reflects poorly on Clemency.
In post 26, Drixx wrote:VOTE: Clemecny

No Clemency!
99% this is a real vote from Drixx if he's town, for the same reason. Less likely to think he's town given that he's hiding a real vote(which has a typo, which may or may not have been intentional and thus may or may not actually show up given the automated systems being used for vote counting) under the guise of RVS+joke.
In post 31, Robert2424 wrote:
Vote Near x Mello


Still Policy voting here, new game same crap.
Please don't. Not D1. Leave your bullshit behind, deal with it on D2 maybe. Let D1 be the fruitful scumhunting day it can be, without burying it beneath past grudges.
In post 35, Asking for a friend wrote:I think hoods should be claimed early.
BnL should pick up a new role pm tonight.
Aside from that I am probably going to let the duck post on my behalf, atleast for D1. This is bound to be a clusterfuck and I want to just post funny memes until we get some flips going.
Agreed on millers picking up new role PM's as soon as possible, and believe they should making full claims immediately prior to changing their role; public claim preferred, hood claim MIGHT be okay IF hood contents are known.

However.

I'd like an elaboration upon the benefits you see coming from sharing hood membership early. Yes, this is a test.
In post 38, Torque wrote:
In post 35, Asking for a friend wrote:I think hoods should be claimed early.
BnL should pick up a new role pm tonight.
Aside from that I am probably going to let the duck post on my behalf, atleast for D1. This is bound to be a clusterfuck and I want to just post funny memes until we get some flips going.
I'm outing it the moment i sense a wolf in my chat. And I think its the same case for all the other chats too that its not mod announced who's in their respective channels, so it could be a good idea to pluck out wolves lurking in channels.

BnL can't swap until N3 or something
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VOTE: Reasonably Psychotic
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I'd also like you to elaborate, in detail, about your hood thoughts...but only after Asking responds.

This is me deliberately not signing because Amz and I have not decided how we'll be signing this account.
In post 47, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 45, mastina wrote:
In post 43, Clemency wrote:no you're not but nice try
True enough, but realclaim talk, I actually am one with the other miller claim.
Explicit mason claim with BulletNLynchproof? Literal mod confirmation of your alignments to one another, and not the SU1 BS you pulled with Drixx and I?

@miller claims: Elaborate on the details of how your miller modifier functions.

Again choosing not to sign deliberately.
In post 69, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 62, Almost50 wrote:OK, so here's a declaration: I won't claim which channel(s) I'm in and won't be posting in them either for the time being. You should all be concerned I could read what you say in your channel(s) without you realizing I'm in it.

Spoiler:
Damn, I couldn't have come up with a scummier declaration. Couple that with my RVS vote on myself, and I should be considered the antichrist of the game by all other players already. :twisted:
A50 is town or he/his partners are much better than me.
In post 72, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Nope! No signing until we decide how we're signing! <3

(Also it was cerb)
Quoting now that we know how we're signing!

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Post Post #86 (isolation #5) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:39 pm

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In post 30, Robert2424 wrote:
Vote Near x Mello


Still Policy voting here, new game same crap.
Robert, why are you policy voting Near x Mello? Which of the hydra do you not like and for what reasons?

Also hello I have shown my face.

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Post Post #87 (isolation #6) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:42 pm

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In post 73, Almost50 wrote:Colour me both utterly glad and genuinely shocked then. "A50 is Town" I thought may or may not come from Cerb this early, but "better than me" totally threw me off. Cerb knows I don't see myself worthy of a comparison with him, let alone being called "better" than him.

OK, so first impression is your slot is Town (Cerb wouldn't be trying to "pocket" me, would he?). I also havge some Town vibes from Dunn, BNL, C&Y, FL (though I'll never trust my read in him this early, and off one post), Torque & AfaF (with the reservation that I don't like tw taking the backseat so early). I dunno what to do with Clem's Miller claim, but I'll give him a pass (he's -at least- honest about not having played the role before).

This leaves me with S&J, SSB, Gamma, Joan, Toog (I suspect he may have a 1-shot global protective ability?? :lol: ), Drixx, Maria (my nemesis), mastina, Robert & NxM to sort
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Little scum equity in blowing up the chance of all your scummates getting people to slip/say more than they should in PT's by increasing their paranoia. Yes, there is a bit of benefit in essentially making it far less likely that people will turn their PT's into functional masonries with strong town reads, but I think it's notably outweighed by making sure the knowledge imbalance between scum and town doesn't increase further.

Asking for a Friend and whoever the fuck it was who agreed with them about outing PT's(Torque, I believe): You should absolutely elaborate on why outing hood membership is a net positive to town in your opinion.

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Post Post #167 (isolation #7) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:29 am

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In post 141, BNL wrote:
In post 47, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 45, mastina wrote:
In post 43, Clemency wrote:no you're not but nice try
True enough, but realclaim talk, I actually am one with the other miller claim.
Explicit mason claim with BulletNLynchproof? Literal mod confirmation of your alignments to one another, and not the SU1 BS you pulled with Drixx and I?

@miller claims: Elaborate on the details of how your miller modifier functions.

Again choosing not to sign deliberately.
What details exactly do you want?
There are a lot of hypothetical ways that a miller can function. It could only show up as guilty to gunsmiths or cops. It could be a universal miller who always investigates as guilty, so trackers show you going to the kill. It could even be some weird miller thing where you count as scum for conditional effects like a desperado shot.

It's important, especially with multiple miller claims, to know exactly how each one interacts with all common investigatives/alignment based roles.

You should ask about this. So should Clemency.

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Post Post #179 (isolation #8) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:31 am

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In post 176, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 73, Almost50 wrote:Colour me both utterly glad and genuinely shocked then. "A50 is Town" I thought may or may not come from Cerb this early, but "better than me" totally threw me off. Cerb knows I don't see myself worthy of a comparison with him, let alone being called "better" than him.

OK, so first impression is your slot is Town (Cerb wouldn't be trying to "pocket" me, would he?). I also havge some Town vibes from Dunn, BNL, C&Y, FL (though I'll never trust my read in him this early, and off one post), Torque & AfaF (with the reservation that I don't like tw taking the backseat so early). I dunno what to do with Clem's Miller claim, but I'll give him a pass (he's -at least- honest about not having played the role before).

This leaves me with S&J, SSB, Gamma, Joan, Toog (I suspect he may have a 1-shot global protective ability?? :lol: ), Drixx, Maria (my nemesis), mastina, Robert & NxM to sort
preliminarily
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tbh the way it was written made more sense from Cerb
it had a fearing respect for you it seemed. Amz hadn't played with you yet so where would that come from?
Amz spoke with A50 a lot in the game she played in that he modded, and to be frank, there wasn't any fearing respect. I know A50 has (too) much respect for me, so it was intended to convey the strength of my read with regards to that behavior only coming from town!A50, unless his teammates include individuals who I personally know are capable of making that play.

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Post Post #193 (isolation #9) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:29 am

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In post 180, Gamma Emerald wrote:Which individuals in this game do you consider capable of that play? I'd also like reasons why.
A short list, that I won't be sharing here. <3

@Joan: Why are you bothering with bringing up your unlynchable status in this fashion? You're far from lynch, and you've now reduced the value of the wagon on you for later VCA.

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Post Post #195 (isolation #10) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:57 am

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Huh. Pretty sure I am now certain I know who you're an alt of. Got it. Hi! <3

Should still answer my question though like for reals yo.

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Post Post #220 (isolation #11) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:04 am

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In post 216, mastina wrote:
In post 215, Almost50 wrote:It's that ole devil called tunneling again.
It aint a tunnel if it's right. :P
mastina, you beautiful human being, it's only been right once, and you were at 50/50 making that call, and we both know it. :)

Anyways, I do see why you'd think that though, if for no other reason than professed suspicion of your strongest townread coming from someone who you likely expect better from/more mindmelding, as it were.

*shrug*

You are absolutely incorrect in that Drixx(if town) can be sure that scum have no idea about how membership was decided in PT's. I think it's unlikely, but not impossible.

@S&J: mod post says *everyone* is one one or more channels, so it's definitely not just paranoia.

JoA: You're good home slice. Reasoning for making that move checks out. Also, mastina=correct about your play.

Asking: You failed the test. Need to consider this, because I place a decently high BoP on you, but you're also just trolling.

Torque: You also failed, but I don't know anything about you so I don't know if I should have expected you to not fail. ^^

Drixx: You half passed, only person who actually mentioned the *only* possible mechanical reason we should be claiming channels in a game that does not give PT members knowledge of who is present in their PT's. There's technically a second, weak mechanical possibility(lie detector), but that's a lot weaker than a straight hood membership investigative of some sort.

@BNL: Confirmation or rejection of mastina's mason claim is pretty much mandatory at this point.

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Post Post #224 (isolation #12) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:37 am

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In post 221, mastina wrote:
In post 220, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Anyways, I do see why you'd think that though, if for no other reason than professed suspicion of your strongest townread coming from someone who you likely expect better from/more mindmelding, as it were.
Cute that you think that's why I'm scumreading you. :cool:
In post 220, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:You are absolutely incorrect in that Drixx(if town) can be sure that scum have no idea about how membership was decided in PT's. I think it's unlikely, but not impossible.
The only way scum would know is if they were informed via role.
Since I am Informed, I know that it's possible for scum to be informed, obv, but just as likely is for town to be informed, or for nobody to be informed.

It's pretty self-evident. Scum aren't going to have more knowledge unless it is part of their role--and if it is part of their role, then it is part of their fakeclaim. If it is part of their fakeclaim, then it is effectively identical to being part of a town role.
Note the "...if for no other reason than...". I"m sure you have more thoughts going on in your head than just that.

And yes, you are correct that it's possible for scum to be informed, as it's possible for town to be informed, but that's not what you said, is it? You were saying Drixx shouldn't pretend it was POSSIBLE for scum to know more than they should. Yes, NAI because said information could come from town and scum, but the fundamental premise of X is not possible was not an accurate statement.

Semantics, pedantry, yes yes, but I'm no less correct for the pettiness of my points.

Anyways, real talk and then we can put this to bed:

Is this going to be a thing we're going to have to waste time on this game mastina? At this stage, at least? Are you rallying your PT troops to pull off a lynch on me because it's a high priority/I'm a near certain scumread on your part(not near certain relative to your other reads, but near certain in absolute terms)? Just wondering so I can keep my RL schedule clear if so.

And just to confirm...you're not a mason, but you're claiming to be informed about BNL's alignment, and said information is that they are town, correct? So it IS the SU1 bullshit you pulled, correct?

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Pedit: Cool, got it.
peditx2: Scum factionals are a thing, btw mastina. Varsoon *was* involved in this game, and he likes those things. Just...something to keep in mind, of course. Information does not need to come from a role PM if it's an intrinsic part of being part of a faction.
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Post Post #226 (isolation #13) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:41 am

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In post 225, mastina wrote:
In post 220, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:@BNL: Confirmation or rejection of mastina's mason claim is pretty much mandatory at this point.
Also this is stupendously self-evidently a shitty idea and you know it.

If you have a different angle to approach BNL as scum from,
maybe
the idea of verifying a mason claim has merit.

By that I mean.
If BNL is under suspicion for a legitimate reason, then sure, yes, confirming mason status is an important thing.

But if BNL is under suspicion for shitty reasons that are self-evidently flawed and not the case, then confirming mason status is just stupid.
mastina, you're the reason why confirming or denying the claim is mandatory.

If someone who WASN'T you had made the claim, I wouldn't push them on it, but I know that you have a tendency to lie and exaggerate with regards to your own knowledge of the alignment of others and your own role.

You are not, even as town, a reliable source of information.

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Post Post #330 (isolation #14) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:00 am

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I was going to publicly argue with my head, address a bunch of people’s stuff, and make a statement but then it lost all my quotes and I’m on my phone and it’s cold.

Also @mastina we are a hydra. I exist and I’m a developed hooman and not the flat girlfriend character. Don’t forget this head or you’ll make me cry.

@whoever has asked us why we don’t vote, Cerb likes to take that precaution in general when he’s hydra-ing. I, on the other hand, just haven’t caught up yet.

Spike and Jet’s weird-ass defense of Robert might be related to their Ascetic claim? Anyone else?

Also. As much as I hate memes in Mafia because I get confused I want to share this with you.

Spoiler: goddammit
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Let’s see if it posts.
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Post Post #331 (isolation #15) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:01 am

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Shit. That was Yuno. Signing is hard.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #16) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:14 am

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In post 332, Near x Mello wrote:you lost me, yuno

what does his ascetic claim have to do with his townread on robert?

~Near
Was just thinking that if they were ascetic, they could just not give a shit about how they appear because they might not be investigate due to the claim and fear of wasting the night action.

I dunno. Might be grasping at straws but I’m trying to make heads or tails of why SnJ posted that. It stood out to sleepy me and it left a bad feeling. I wonder if Robert is town, are they trying to make him look bad? Then again maybe I am misunderstanding the ascetic role in the large meta of the game and how ascetics play generally? Haven’t ever played with one before. Tbh I was scrolling through the top pages, read that, and read the defense.

Does Yuno know what the fuck she’s doing? Nope.

I’m going back to bed.

Also just for the record, a half-naked Cerb has told me that he doesn’t give a shit about what happens just Drixx can’t trick him. He also says that he does actually give a shit but like perfect record to maintain.

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Post Post #334 (isolation #17) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:14 am

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Also done by Yuno again. God I’ve gotta get better at signing.
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Post Post #335 (isolation #18) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:28 am

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Also, on priniciple, this head feels weird for outing JoA’s alts because she specifically said that she wants to try and get better without people assuming how she plays.

I guess with other people realizing, the outing doesn’t really matter because the connection is already there. But yeah. Just a thought about respecting wishes.

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Post Post #574 (isolation #19) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:56 am

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Holy shit I go prodded. Sorry.

I...don't even know where to go from here. There hasn't been much of real substance posted so far. :/ Useless commentary, i know, but an accurate expression of my state of mind with regards to the game.

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Post Post #583 (isolation #20) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:23 am

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In post 582, Vedith wrote:
In post 581, Almost50 wrote:@Vedith: Why PB?
Because I'm top voted and I got worried and panicked.
You should vote with me.
4/9 votes makes you worried and panicked, when there's not really any concrete pressure on you, and we're not close enough to deadline to just default to you, and as a replacement people tend to give you room to breathe if a deadline isn't approaching?

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Post Post #585 (isolation #21) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:29 am

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In post 584, Vedith wrote:
In post 583, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:4/9 votes makes you worried and panicked, when there's not really any concrete pressure on you, and we're not close enough to deadline to just default to you, and as a replacement people tend to give you room to breathe if a deadline isn't approaching?

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Thank you for the encouragement!
Should I unvote?
Not really encouragement. I'm just trying to understand your perspective. How did you end up "worried and panicked"?

I'm pretty sure I've never seen you "worried and panicked", so yeah. An explanation is in order.

I don't have any thoughts on the Pink Ball slot, the previous individuals who occupied it made reasonable points about Creature, but that's about all I have to say with regards to them. So *shrug* do what you want.

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Post Post #596 (isolation #22) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:21 am

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In post 591, Spike and Jet wrote:VOTE: reasonably psychotic

yukiterus new posts are fluff
and no, good points were not made about spike
Agreed with the first point.

Did you not read my response to my prod?

Disagree with the second point, There is a demonstrable connection between your other heads activity and their alignment, going back quite some time. I am aware that he has been attempting ot change that, and had *some* degree of success at it, but it's still a strong indicator.

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Post Post #597 (isolation #23) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:25 am

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In post 586, Vedith wrote:
In post 585, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Not really encouragement. I'm just trying to understand your perspective. How did you end up "worried and panicked"?

I'm pretty sure I've never seen you "worried and panicked", so yeah. An explanation is in order.

I don't have any thoughts on the Pink Ball slot, the previous individuals who occupied it made reasonable points about Creature, but that's about all I have to say with regards to them. So *shrug* do what you want.

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Well, I'm almost half way to being lynched. That's a pretty big thing to put onto one guy.
Now, I could have made it equal and voted Gamma, but that would make me as bad as the people voting me!
One more vote on me might even make me reveal! So lets hope that doesn't happen.

Why are you not voting as of yet? And who's scum.

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So, are you stating a firm town readon Gamma? Given that in a universe where you're town, the only way you voting Gamma is as bad as being voted by others is if they're town? Also, the only way those others are bad is if they're town, so are you townreading all those voting for you?

I'm not voting because I don't? If I'm voting early in the game it's because I'm making a deliberate choice to go against my own meta for some reason, and no such reason exists as of yet. No particularly strong scum feelings anywhere. Creature points are valid, as stated, but nto good enough to conclude someone is scum. I have mastina thoughts that I don't feel like sharing with everyone. And clemency hasn't actually done anything to make me feel any better about them, but that's also super weak and not worth pursuing.

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Post Post #599 (isolation #24) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:36 am

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In post 598, Spike and Jet wrote:so to be clear
clemency and us are your top scumreads currently?
If, on a scale of 1 - 100, with 1 being an IC/my own slot, and 100 being flipped scum, 53 is is a scumread, then sure.

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Post Post #605 (isolation #25) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:54 am

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In post 574, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Holy shit I go prodded. Sorry.

I...don't even know where to go from here. There hasn't been much of real substance posted so far. :/ Useless commentary, i know, but an accurate expression of my state of mind with regards to the game.

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This is my opinion of the game.

People keep being dumb and asking for more details, when I've already stated where I'm at. *shrug*

My other head will get on whenever she wants to? Honestly, she hasn't been following the game much and is idk how far behind now, but I have been taking notes so hopefully she won't be too far behind.

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Post Post #608 (isolation #26) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:00 am

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In post 606, Spike and Jet wrote:claiming to have no reads at this stage is kinda lame. theres only a few slots left i dont have a read on, so im not sure i buy that.
and weighting spikes absence so highly while ignoring me is awkward. and spike has stopped lurking now anyway.
the posts he made picking on you looked like posting for the sake of it. i didnt feel like he actually had a point he wanted to make.
I didn't claim to hvae no reads. I claimed to have reads that aren't strong enough to do anything about.

Also Xtoxm, you should know better. We've played together before.

Actually.

What are your thoughts on the parallels between Mastina's play here with regards to her claimed informed role, and the way she played things in SU1?

Drixx, same question.

Anyone else who was in that game who I might not be remembering, same.

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Post Post #610 (isolation #27) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:11 am

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In post 609, Spike and Jet wrote:yeah well i feel like you should know better too, this is my town meta
in that game she was gambiting as town so i dont understand why youd be worried about that in particular?
she could well be scum i dont think ive seen much from the slot to make a decision
I actually don't recall playing with town you? Maybe it happened once in a game I wasn't very invested in though?

Creature, on the other hand, I've played with in like a dozen games, therefore how he plays is weighted FAR more heavily than how you're playing.

And noted. I'll share my thoughts later, once at least Drixx speaks up. ^^

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Post Post #697 (isolation #28) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:21 am

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In post 696, Drixx wrote:
In post 695, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 693, Vedith wrote:
In post 691, Pink Ball wrote:Page 14 now. Clem and Toog are town. mastina makes me paranoid but I think she's town. Joan of Arc at first I thought "man this is the easiest scum catch of them all" but now I think she's town. Spike and Jet probtown. No good reads on other players 'cause they're far better than me (Near x Mello, Dunn, Morality and A50; I have good vibes on all 4 of them, but I can't be trustful there yet). Gamma Emerald scum gutread. Didn't like SSBF's entrance but not one of my top scumreads. Torque and Elena Fisher both scummy.
Reasons will be a good shout. :up:
Of course, I will when I'm fully caught up since this are preliminary reads that could be outdated.
Seeing your progression on reads is useful.
Hey Drixx, let's play mafia.

Pretend we're masons/a hydra, and tell me the thoughts you'd be telling me now with regards to your reads, that you keep secret from everyone until fully developed. I want something with crunch to actually engage with, instead of the fluff that's pervaded the game so far.

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Post Post #712 (isolation #29) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:06 am

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In post 704, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 701, Near x Mello wrote:
In post 700, Elena Fisher wrote:Why do you townread Toogeloo? He's one of my big scumreads at the moment.
wanna talk about this? I think hes town.

~Near
Sure let's talk about it. I still need to go back and read about 5 pages between my catch up but I doubt that'd change my read on Toog. Why do you think he's town? I think I've given a pretty good outline on why I think he's scum.
In post 702, Vedith wrote:
In post 700, Elena Fisher wrote:Claims do not=alignment you shouldn't care what his claim is. Either you townread the slot or you don't.
Of course you should care.
The question would then be, do we lose out of the potential role more, or lose out on the lynch.
Any claim can be from town or scum. The only time you should let a claim go is if it's a self-resolving claim. That's how I play it although I know others disagree
No claim is actually self-resolving, save for a triggered IC claim which the claimant must use as soon as possible.

Agreed that a claim should not change whether you town or scumread someone, unless said claim explicitly explains the scummy behaviors you've seen.

Vedith, there's little reason to claim, and little reason to keep posturing around your claim. The entire approach you have looks as bad as Joan's pre-emptive "I'm unlynchable" claim does.

@Near: Do you think that Gamma is that lazy, or do you simply think that even if he's not that lazy, doing that is not scum-indicative? Also agreed on Elena's lack of clear reasoning given for their scumread.

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Post Post #809 (isolation #30) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:27 am

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In post 807, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 801, Vedith wrote:
In post 797, Pink Ball wrote:"He hasn't done anything that's outside of NAI and he's a lazy push"; first statement has nothing to do with my read on him. I've stated that I've read a lot of his games and I got a clean sheet reading him, so my gut read makes me comfortable. Saying it's a lazy push is your opinion, and I don't respect it 'cause I haven't seen much coming from you to value it.

About why Gamma and not mastina: I'm not getting a mastina lynch on D1. You don't lynch mastina on D1. Have you played with mastina before?
When people use gut and feel happy over it then that's lazy.
It shows you have no intention on sorting him to see if wrong or right.

I've played with Mastina yes. I've played with many people that don't tend to get lynched day 1. That would never stop me wanting to lynch them if their Scum to me.
Maybe I'm using "gut" wrong. It's more like a metaread that I can't explain too much, that has given me good results everytime. It's not the best of ways to read someone, but if it works, I can't help it and go for it.

Oh then we don't agree on how to play with mastina here. mastina has to be solved by PoE or by what is she trying to achieve, and you need some flips before having confidence in both of those two solutions.
"A metaread that you can't explain too much" is terrible and not the way to convince anyone to actually listen to you. I don't doubt that, if town, you wholly believe in this, I'm just letting you know that without anything to back up that conclusion, you're not doing yourself any favors leaving this metaread unexplained/unsubstantiated.

I do, however, think you're *probably* right about mastina.

@mastina: Please look at every single game I've played with Drixx where we are not sharing a slot.

At some point, I, to my recollection, always ask him to pretend that we're masons/hydra's and tell me all the shit he has in his head, because I know if he does that there's absolutely no way I won't be able to figure out his alignment.

You are correct, however, that in none of those cases have we both been scum together, so there is no evidence that I would do it with him as a partner, and until this post right here where I realized I always do this, I probably wouldn't have considered it, but I guess now I'll have to make sure I do it if we're ever scum together. <3

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Post Post #835 (isolation #31) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:33 am

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In post 834, Almost50 wrote:
In post 831, Torque wrote:@A50: If Vedith is a villager and is an easy push as you say, scum has all the incentive to hop on his wagon yet the wagon came to a halt

Either there is scum already voting there or Vedith is a wolf
No. If they thought town would do the job for them they would stay clear off the wagon and play for time. Maybe they thought it "could" go through without them and now are considering throwing their weight behind it towards the end of the day, but for now are hoping that the town still does the job for them.

Also let's not forget the other 2 wagons are on stronger TRs, and scum wouldn't e stupid enough to try and save one of them by pushing someone unlikely to get lynched on D1. The wagons are thus composed so that any townie looking to consolidate at crunch time would look at the 3 and think Vedith is the right way to go given there are no other options by then.
This guy mafias.

Though for reals vediths entire entry was pretty shit, and I don't really see what your'e seeing in his reactions that make him town.

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Post Post #837 (isolation #32) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:40 am

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In post 835, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 834, Almost50 wrote:
In post 831, Torque wrote:@A50: If Vedith is a villager and is an easy push as you say, scum has all the incentive to hop on his wagon yet the wagon came to a halt

Either there is scum already voting there or Vedith is a wolf
No. If they thought town would do the job for them they would stay clear off the wagon and play for time. Maybe they thought it "could" go through without them and now are considering throwing their weight behind it towards the end of the day, but for now are hoping that the town still does the job for them.

Also let's not forget the other 2 wagons are on stronger TRs, and scum wouldn't e stupid enough to try and save one of them by pushing someone unlikely to get lynched on D1. The wagons are thus composed so that any townie looking to consolidate at crunch time would look at the 3 and think Vedith is the right way to go given there are no other options by then.
This guy mafias.

Though for reals vediths entire entry was pretty shit,
and I don't really see what your'e seeing in his reactions that make him town.

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Let me add to this. It was shit with the whole "feeling pressure voting etc" thing, nad the whole thing being a lie, and as a whole it felt VERY uncharacteristic for Vedith, even in terms of speech patterns. With that said, all his posting after he admitted that he was lying nad it was shit...sounds like him again.

Can someone who isn't Vedith give me a reason that explains why he'd be deliberately posting in an obviously abnormal fashion as town? I can see some scum motivation for the attempt in the first place, just pure survivalistic desperation as it were, abandoned when it was clear it wasn't getting anywhere....but why does town do this?

If nobody is able to come up with an actual reason, then Vedith can go ahead and explain what his aim was with the line he took.

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Post Post #839 (isolation #33) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:45 am

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In post 838, Torque wrote:
In post 825, Almost50 wrote:OK.. let me try to get myself NK'd here:

Vedith(5) ~ Near x Mello, Chito and Yuuri, Torque, Clemency, Spike and Jet, <<< all town wagon.. on a townie
Pink Ball(3) ~ Gamma Emerald, Joan of Arc, Robert2424, <<< 2v1 in town
Gamma Emerald(3) ~ Elena Fisher, Pink Ball, Dunnstral, <<< 2v1 in town
Spike and Jet(1) ~ Toogeloo, <<< town on town
singletonking(1) ~ Morality, <<< town on town
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina, <<< scum on town
Clemency(1) ~ Drixx, <<< town on town
Almost50(1) ~ Vedith, <<< town on town

Not Voting (3): Reasonably Psychotic, Almost50, singletonking, <<< 3 lazy townies (yes, I know I'm one of the 3)
uh we cant only have 3 wolves in this game, right
Uh the OP literally says there are at least 3 groupscum in this game, so yes, we can.

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Post Post #865 (isolation #34) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:20 pm

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@Mastina: 1) Not especially scumreading vedith, though as I thought about their entry I did realize that it was disconcerting, 2) Can't use the argument that I'm scumreading someone as the reason why i don't see something when you believe I'm scum(unless you think I or they are explicitly anti-town, or that they're my partner I'm working on bussing/distancing from), 3) I would(and have) always argue(d) to keep you alive until later in the game, with my multiple experiences with both town and scum you, under multiple alts(of yours).

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Post Post #871 (isolation #35) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:49 pm

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In post 870, Drixx wrote:I'm almost 200 posts behind (that's more like it!) and catching up as I can.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE MY DRIXX!

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Post Post #940 (isolation #36) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:13 pm

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Mastina, one thing immediately jumped out at me in your post, and though I do not want you to confirm or deny this, unless part of what you're informed of is the membership of the hood you're in, information you've shared there can easily end up elsewhere. I know you're not an idiot, but I am a bit concerned.

Also I'm sad you came back because I was considering a lol vote to see what pressure on you in your absence resulted in.*shrug* For the record, Mastina being town is pretty probable here. Scum!mastina is aware of the parallels between her play in SU1 and here, and is doing so to sub/consciously get those of us who saw her there and are intimately familiar with those events(Drixx,Xtoxm, and myself) to see those parallels and view her favorably. I find it unlikely that she couples that particular line, the subtle manipulation of our opinions of her, with a blatant push on any of the three of us.

The fact that she knows a lynch on a slot I'm occupying on D1 is unlikely is the *only* reason why I have any doubt about my town read on her.

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Post Post #1002 (isolation #37) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:02 pm

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@mastina: Just to clarify, are you assuming that everyone who can VEIW your hoods is speaking in them?

Also, in SU2 you really did express a lot of complete bewilderment about what the right choice was.

Also also...can you please tell me what game you were referring to where you had to check if I had killed you on whatever night it was, where TWIE was an SK?

Also also also: Drixx and I, as our hydra, are used to you always scumreading us. ^^ There's certainly some bias in our recollection, but out of the many games we've played together, you've certainly scumread us the vast majority of the time, when we've only been scum once out of all those games. So, vast majority of scumreads, usually wrong, thus the expectation that you'll scumread us/me by default.

@Drixx: I think this is in line with her town play, as I stated previously. The degree of certainty *is* in line with her normal "informed" play; can you elaborate more about the differences you're seeing between SU1 and her play here?
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Post Post #1016 (isolation #38) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:25 am

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In post 1015, singletonking wrote:Sorry, prodge
I'm still 20 pages behind but my attention is currently somewhere else.

I heard people are townreading S&J for Creature meta and I know nothing about Creature meta so I'll sheep that.
...

That's the *opposite* of what people were doing.

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Post Post #1018 (isolation #39) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:26 am

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In post 1017, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 1013, Vedith wrote:Getting mixed up on setup or roles etc when in multiple games is not strange.
This is why I can't answer your question, Gamma. Thought you would understand
Is that really that "normal"? I've seen it mentioned *twice* in this game, but have NEVER before seen this phenomenon.

Someone? Anyone? Is this as weak as it feels to me, or have I just been lucky in all my previous games?

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Post Post #1026 (isolation #40) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:09 am

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In post 1024, mastina wrote:
In post 1001, Toogeloo wrote:I also get the distinct feeling that Night 2 is a big night for a lot of people's roles.
Actually, that'd be N3.
In post 1002, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Also, in SU2 you really did express a lot of complete bewilderment about what the right choice was.
Yep, sure did!
As mad as you and Drixx are that I spent that much time on it only to ultimately vote you when that was my first instinct, tho. Can you say that my current policy of pretty much instavoting is better? :P
In post 1002, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Also also...can you please tell me what game you were referring to where you had to check if I had killed you on whatever night it was, where TWIE was an SK?
That'd be this game. I called you scum, correctly, for most of the game, and died asking for your slot to be investigated. Surprised you don't remember it, since that game was one of the main games I used in my meta for pushing you as scum in SU2; my later uncertainty in SC's game gave me some of the confidence I was right in SU2.
In post 1013, Vedith wrote:Getting mixed up on setup or roles etc when in multiple games is not strange.
It is when one of them is a UPick which by its very nature is VTless.
Dude I completely forgot about SC's game! Alright, assuming you recall the game properly(which I'll assume you do because I'm way too lazy to actually read the game and check) you've been right *twice* out of....a dozen+ games? How many games have we had with me/us where you called me/us town WITHOUT having an informed role telling you that?

I can't remember any, which is why Drixx and I sorta assume your'e just going to scumread us. And yes:P

Also yes, that too. Role confusion just doesn't make much sense to me.

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Post Post #1073 (isolation #41) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:37 am

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In post 1070, Morality wrote:
In post 1066, Spike and Jet wrote:beetlejuice is when you accuse someone of being scum for appearing when you say their name
i have literally never seen it be applied to someone that turned out to be scum
but maybe this is finally the time
I never knew it was the scum thing specifically. Just being brought up then appearing.
I mean, it's a behavioral trait people exhibit, and it's usually assumed to be scummy the same way active lurking is considered scummy.

We do need some major consolidation though. I'll attempt to get my other head to tell me her thoughts on teh top wagons at least so we can decide if we're okay with either of them being lynched.

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Post Post #1082 (isolation #42) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:40 am

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In post 1081, Gamma Emerald wrote:half of those "reads" aren't conclusive. Clarify.
Strange, it's almost like you haven't played with Drixx before.

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Post Post #1084 (isolation #43) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:31 am

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In post 1083, Gamma Emerald wrote:I have. No excuse for him to give wishy-washy looking garbage.
Again.

It's like you haven't played with Drixx before.

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Post Post #1091 (isolation #44) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:59 am

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In post 1090, Vedith wrote:The whole Mastina and Pink Ball shit is never flipping any thing other than TvT.
So basically the choices for me to vote without having a wasteful vote on a 1 man train is on myself, Mastina, Pink or Gamma.
I don't think Gamma is Scum.

Spike and Jet, why are you only trying to get Drixx to do stuff when half the players aren't?
Why are you only asking Spike and Jet when multiple people have attempted to push him to do stuff?

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Post Post #1095 (isolation #45) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:29 pm

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I've already shared my mastina and A50 reads. Mastina probtown, only doubt comes from her knowledge of the difficulty in getting me lynched; A50 almost certain town, unless scum with at least one of a small list of people I can imagine suggesting the line he took with regards to hoods.

Torque requires reading, they've been...vocal but sorta forgettable.

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Post Post #1116 (isolation #46) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:04 pm

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In post 1115, Morality wrote:
In post 1095, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I've already shared my mastina and A50 reads. Mastina probtown, only doubt comes from her knowledge of the difficulty in getting me lynched; A50 almost certain town, unless scum with at least one of a small list of people I can imagine suggesting the line he took with regards to hoods.

Torque requires reading, they've been...vocal but sorta forgettable.

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Why do you think A50 is almost certainly town? I almost voted him instead of Pink Ball, but I figured I’d be able to read him later when there’s more to go off than I could Pink Ball. I think A50’s got a decent chance at being scum here.
In post 87, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 73, Almost50 wrote:Colour me both utterly glad and genuinely shocked then. "A50 is Town" I thought may or may not come from Cerb this early, but "better than me" totally threw me off. Cerb knows I don't see myself worthy of a comparison with him, let alone being called "better" than him.

OK, so first impression is your slot is Town (Cerb wouldn't be trying to "pocket" me, would he?). I also havge some Town vibes from Dunn, BNL, C&Y, FL (though I'll never trust my read in him this early, and off one post), Torque & AfaF (with the reservation that I don't like tw taking the backseat so early). I dunno what to do with Clem's Miller claim, but I'll give him a pass (he's -at least- honest about not having played the role before).

This leaves me with S&J, SSB, Gamma, Joan, Toog (I suspect he may have a 1-shot global protective ability?? :lol: ), Drixx, Maria (my nemesis), mastina, Robert & NxM to sort
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Little scum equity in blowing up the chance of all your scummates getting people to slip/say more than they should in PT's by increasing their paranoia. Yes, there is a bit of benefit in essentially making it far less likely that people will turn their PT's into functional masonries with strong town reads, but I think it's notably outweighed by making sure the knowledge imbalance between scum and town doesn't increase further.

Asking for a Friend and whoever the fuck it was who agreed with them about outing PT's(Torque, I believe): You should absolutely elaborate on why outing hood membership is a net positive to town in your opinion.

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Post Post #1138 (isolation #47) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:03 am

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In post 1125, Vedith wrote:Okay I'm going to reveal and we can just get my lynch over with.

Personally I feel at a loss as all the wagons feel town and are just bad.

I am Fuko Ibuki

Unlocked from night 1 - each day
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night I can target someone to give a wooden starfish to.
Unlocked from night 2 - if someone has 3 or more wooden starfish on them i can protect them but they will forget and lose all wooden starfish (message says about 'forgetting something important' to the player).
Unlocked from night 3 - when targeting a player to give a wooden starfish to, I can also target a second target that has no wooden starfish to also receive one.

So i confirmed the following.
My protect works for the day phase or the night phase and I can use this action instead of giving out starfish. The protection does not prevent a lynch.
Nothing happens if a player receives 4 or more starfish, all are still lost when protected.
If my second target has a starfish only the original player will receive a starfish.
There is no message for receiving a starfish to the player, only when protected.

I'm helping \o/
Are people aware of having received starfish, and their current starfish count?
Does the protection prevent 1 kill, all kills, or something in between?
If targets are aware of being sent starfish, are they aware of the loss of said starfish?
Can you send a starfish to someone the same phase that you protect someone?
Can you protect multiple slots who have sufficient starfish in the same phase? How about in a day/night cycle, one for each?

Let me think about this balance wise.

D1/N1: A 1 starfish/A 2 starfish
D2/N2: A 3 starfish/protection option OR B 1 starfish(1x doc)
D3/N3: A 3 starfish, B 2 starfish/ A 3 starfish, B 3 starfish, C 1 starfish(2x doc)
D4/N4: A 3 starfish, B 3 starfish, C 2 starfish, D 1 starfish/ A 3 B 3 C 3 D 1 E 1(3x Doc)
D5/N5: A 3 B3 C 3 D 2 E 1 F 1 / A 3 B3 C3 D 3 E 1 F 1 G 1

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Post Post #1139 (isolation #48) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:04 am

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In post 1136, singletonking wrote:
In post 1130, singletonking wrote:Vedith role seems town
Sorry
Fuko Ibuki from Clannad is 2007
In post 1137, singletonking wrote:
@MOD: Will you accept Fuuko Ibuki as a pick, since she featured in Clannad, an anime whose first season aired in 2007?
This is a valid question but a dumb concern.

If scum, fake claims should be assumed to exist; a fake claim failing to follow the rules of the game is just as likely as the moderator failing to properly curate pick submissions, and therefore NAI.

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Post Post #1142 (isolation #49) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:07 am

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In post 1140, singletonking wrote:^Possibly scum regardless of Vedith's alignment ()
Oh? Because I know how to force answers about role claims that can give individuals with potentially similar roles reasons to either believe or disbelieve claims?

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Post Post #1143 (isolation #50) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:08 am

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In post 1142, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 1140, singletonking wrote:^Possibly scum regardless of Vedith's alignment ()
Oh? Because I know how to force answers about role claims that can give individuals with potentially similar roles reasons to either believe or disbelieve claims?

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Well, not force answers...but at least ask the *right* questions.

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Post Post #1147 (isolation #51) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:34 am

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In post 1144, Vedith wrote:
In post 1138, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Are people aware of having received starfish, and their current starfish count?
Does the protection prevent 1 kill, all kills, or something in between?
If targets are aware of being sent starfish, are they aware of the l.oss of said starfish?
Can you send a starfish to someone the same phase that you protect someone?
Can you protect multiple slots who have sufficient starfish in the same phase? How about in a day/night cycle, one for each?
I'll confirm.
To my knowledge they only know when they lose the starfish.
I cannot send a starfish and protect, but I can protect day and night in a row if there are enough players with 3+ starfish
Please ask the moderator whether or not those you send a starfish to are aware of having received said starfish, and/or how many starfish they have remaining.

So, this is *partially* self-resolving, but not well enough I think. We can establish that people lose starfish, but not what effect that has. It's strictly a weaker doctor variant, which..I don't know how I feel about? The likelihood of the claim being real is dependent on the number of *other* protective roles in the game, which is something that we don't know. This claim sounds like a plausible cover for an SK Arsonist type variant, or any number of other potential anti-town roles that involve "marking" someone; without any way to prove what happens, not really any way to figure out the alignment behind the claim based on the claim alone...

Which, ya know, is generally how it goes.

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Post Post #1157 (isolation #52) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:56 am

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In post 1156, Drixx wrote:
In post 1152, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1130, singletonking wrote:Vedith role seems town
Agreed.
I have reason to doubt Vedith’s claim. It’s possible, but if he’s being honest, be scared of what kind of setup needs my role /and/ that role.

As for Cerb’s questions... that’s NAI. There’s no world where Cerb doesn’t ask those questions, regardless of alignment.


Given that I’m counterclaiming a ramping doctor role, you all should definitely look at the shit wagon that tried to go on me 24 hours ago after I’m dead.

I would prefer Martina but that’s not gonna till I don’t think so...

VOTE: Vedith
Prefer Mastina over someone making a claim of dubious legitimacy based on the existence of your role? Care to elaborate on how *that* makes sense?

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Post Post #1161 (isolation #53) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:07 am

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Speaking of my questions:

I'd like both millers to let me know how their miller functions. Only one answered(BNL/singletonking, iirc?), and they told me that they return a guilty on investigations, which does not tell me if they only return a guilty on alignment checks, or all types of checks.

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Post Post #1208 (isolation #54) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:36 am

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In post 1206, mastina wrote:
In post 1205, Vedith wrote:Drixx is never scum here.
No fucking shit.
In post 1199, Drixx wrote:I would prefer what I view as the more difficult and dangerous slot.
And Cerb wonders why I was voting him.
In post 1201, Spike and Jet wrote:if vedith fluffed up this bad as town and let scum get away then sucks for us
Oh scum were getting away no matter what considering none of our wagons today have been on scum.
???

I don't wonder why you're voting me. If you're town, as I feel you likely are, then it makes sense to keep constant pressure on me over nearly anyone else in this game. I don't shit up the thread when people scumread me, and I'm slippery, so there's no downside to not constantly coming after me if you scumread me. I get it. ^^ If you're scum, since I won't be flipping anytime soon unless you shoot me, you don't need to worry about any loss of credibility when I flip town. *shrug*

@Drixx: Fair, btw. I probably won't go after mastina anytime soon, though it is weird that you didn't push her more yourself given that she was one of the possible wagons for today. :-/

@Vedit: Seriously? If you flip town, I'm going to use this as one of my numerous examples of why town always sucks, and never deserves to win. (I have similar examples for scum as well.)
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Post Post #1250 (isolation #55) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:37 pm

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Operation be so useless and garner just enough suspicious to never be shot at successful.

Drixx:
In post 1057, singletonking wrote:Ok now only 10 pages behind

This game needs some direction so
VOTE: Drixx


I don't think Gamma is scum here; what are the cases on him so far?
In post 1072, Torque wrote:
VOTE: Drixx

In post 1076, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Drixx
post reads or die, that's where I'm at with you rn
In post 1078, Spike and Jet wrote:VOTE: drixx
you have the lowest post count in the game you dont get to call others inactive
Fulfilling your last willand testament now.

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Post Post #1253 (isolation #56) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:58 pm

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In post 1251, Almost50 wrote:3 of those 4 were ended up on Vedith. Only singleton stayed on Drixx. I can vote the "claimed" Miller (as it obviously could be a scum faking to nullify the Cop on them)

Q: What channel(s) was Drixx in and what did he say in them? I prefer the answer to come from someone who had already declared being a member to certain channels so you don't need to out the whole list of channel members.
Remember how I said A50 was town? More evidence.

Something I should have said yesterday before end of day but was too dumb to remember: Every night, right before the day start, everyone should be sharing all the information they want publicly available/all the conclusions & thoughts they've had, to maximize the contribution you can make. Discussion before the end of the night is find, but given the understandable fear that scum are lurking in channels, information shared should be restricted to things you're okay with scum knowing.

On a (sorta) related note, everyone should note that scum *do not* have day talk, unless they have an encrypter. Keep both the possibility of coordinated scum action and specifically uncoordinated action in mind until an encrypter flips; that is, do not assume scum are coordinating during the day.

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Post Post #1256 (isolation #57) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:09 pm

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In post 1254, Almost50 wrote:@Yukiteru: I have no idea why the bolded makes me town, but I'll take it all the same. :lol:
Just a pretty clear town sentiment, and something I should have asked given my knowledge of Drixx's tendency to use hoods as safe repositories of information in the event of his death.

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Post Post #1257 (isolation #58) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:52 pm

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Let's do some freeform stream of consciousness type review of BNL's play, instead of that post by post bullshit I tend to do, way too much work and tags and

Significant facts known about BNL/BNL's role: Mastina has claimed to be "informed" about BNL's alignment, BNL has claimed miller, and specifically stated that he "investigates unfavorably" to alignment checks, which should mean that trackers and such will return true results on his slot.

Enters thread with the miller claim and votes dunnstral, questions mello the townread they consider giving dunnstral(valid question), townreads clemency based on the way he claimed, didn't dodge my question about his miller but asked for elaboration, scumreads Morality based on entrance, then questions morality questioning his miller claim, notes difference between NxM's posting and expected posting, doesn't find them verbose enough/as willing to explain their reads as town!them, but admits no knowledge of scum!nxm, declares strict townreads on clemency, dunnstral, torque, C&Y, and gamma, questions vedith wagon(which is 3/5 comprised of his town reads, questioning is just asking for information so probably nai?),walks back scumread of morality, explains belief that an entrance based off what someone else has said is scummy(need to check all other players entrances to see if he should have also suspected others for the same reason), also suspected him because the timing of his miller commentary felt like "overjustification"
(ask more?)
, and starts to fear it's a TvT
(why? no reason given for the fear, just an expression of uncertainty that they are scum(which is pretty shitty given that they were willing to vote them off basically nothing, and morality wasn't at risk of being lynched....)
so unvotes, questions mastina on claimed scumread of vedith and pink ball without willingness to vote them, then doubts that voting mastina is a good idea(after people start voting her), explains dunnstral townread goes back to (a suggestion that A50 could just as easily be scum explaining lurking in channels as town trying to prevent town from being stupid as they are inclined to do),notes a decision to ignore my request to confirm or deny mastina's(at this point abandoned) mason claim with him because of a concern that it unnecessarily gives scum information,moves morality to townlead from null(I guess?) based on , agrees with mastina with regards to wisdoms posting being lackluster, disagrees about kokichi head, declares a sheep of townreads on S&J for creatures meta(when in fact people were SCUMREADING S&J for creatures meta),
is a strict "not scum" sort of reads list, elaboration would be nice,
dislikes Drixx, finds Pink Ball more likely town than scum, but doesn't have much an opinion of Vedith or PB, but warns people of voting Vedith because he's always weird, agrees with S&J about fluffiness of my posts, expresses extra dislike of Drixx for disappearing after responding to his post, votes Drixx(starts the push that leads to 4 quick votes), and thinks gamma is unlikely to be scum, asks for cases, indicating a weakness in terms of certainty in his previous list(which showed gamma as not a possible lynch), finds NxM scummy for saying it's fine to lynch Vedith even if he's town(fair, but he WAS defending scum), says Toog's claimed role of dying to any targeting effect N2 seems town(I mean, it's definitely not a scum role, but I don't see it as being outside the realm of possibility for a scum fake claim), finds Drixx not staying and engaging even though he claimed to be "lost" to be scummy, refuses to vote Gamma or Mastina, floats voting NxM, admits to not knowing why they're townreading mastina besides thinking posts were fairly towny
(elaborate?> what makes the posts town?)
, questioned NxM about their assumption that Mastina was lying about NxM's scum meta, rather than just being wrong, questions PB calling gamma's vote a scumclaim and calls vedith's role town, asks for case on mastina, calls out a clear problem with scum!Vedith's claim(if no day talk, almost certainly town indicative...if day talk, NAI), thinks I am possible scum for asking Vedith details about how their role functions(One of which, had they answered, would have given the flipped town doctor STRONG evidence that they needed to counterclaim(which you totally did preemptively but we were short on time so I forgive you Drixx), expresses a SUPER strong townread of gamma, and that mastina is less of a townread than gamma at this point
(why?)


@BNL: Please respond to the concerns that are bolded/in a larger font. Most notably, please elaborate on how your reads list thingie was constructed, and how people so easily moved onto/off it, so I can know whether or not your reads actually mean anything, as well as your gamma read and where the strength in it comes from.

Overall reads like town I would say. No internal inconsistencies, except for the weird decision to unvote morality with no intentions of voting elsewhere/they were not under pressure/with no reason why they had suddenly stopped being a suspect.

Mastina+BnL are extremely unlikely to be scum together.

(I apologize for the disgusting mess of a post I don't think I'll ever do this again it's basically unreadable).

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Post Post #1260 (isolation #59) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:17 pm

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In post 1258, Toogeloo wrote:This is the current list of known users in Channel 5. Vedith/SSBF scumflip caused some users in the channel to claim it to be compromised, but very little has been disclosed in the channel as is.

Chito and Yurri
Near x Mello
Robert2424
Toogeloo
Vedith / SSBF


If RP is correct that Scum don't have day chat, assuming there are no other scum in Channel 5, then it's likely that anything said in that channel never made it to the remaining scum.
I mean, Vediths role includes this line: "- You have [REDACTED] as your fellow Copystrikers. You all share a Factional PT where you can talk with your teammates during nights and pregame.
Your Factional PT is locked during day phases.
"

So, it is explicitly known that scum can not use their factional PT to communicate barring another role that allows it.
In post 1259, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1156, Drixx wrote:
In post 1152, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1130, singletonking wrote:Vedith role seems town
Agreed.
I have reason to doubt Vedith’s claim. It’s possible, but if he’s being honest, be scared of what kind of setup needs my role /and/ that role.

As for Cerb’s questions... that’s NAI. There’s no world where Cerb doesn’t ask those questions, regardless of alignment.


Given that I’m counterclaiming a ramping doctor role, you all should definitely look at the shit wagon that tried to go on me 24 hours ago after I’m dead.

I would prefer Martina but that’s not gonna till I don’t think so...

VOTE: Vedith
Probably the reason Drixx died
Yeah. :(I don't think it was necessary, but I do understand why he did it.

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Post Post #1336 (isolation #60) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:19 am

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In post 1312, singletonking wrote:
Spoiler: Singletonkings 1312, spoilered to avoid walling
In post 1257, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Let's do some freeform stream of consciousness type review of BNL's play, instead of that post by post bullshit I tend to do, way too much work and tags and

Significant facts known about BNL/BNL's role: Mastina has claimed to be "informed" about BNL's alignment, BNL has claimed miller, and specifically stated that he "investigates unfavorably" to alignment checks, which should mean that trackers and such will return true results on his slot.

Enters thread with the miller claim and votes dunnstral, questions mello the townread they consider giving dunnstral(valid question), townreads clemency based on the way he claimed, didn't dodge my question about his miller but asked for elaboration, scumreads Morality based on entrance, then questions morality questioning his miller claim, notes difference between NxM's posting and expected posting, doesn't find them verbose enough/as willing to explain their reads as town!them, but admits no knowledge of scum!nxm, declares strict townreads on clemency, dunnstral, torque, C&Y, and gamma, questions vedith wagon(which is 3/5 comprised of his town reads, questioning is just asking for information so probably nai?),walks back scumread of morality, explains belief that an entrance based off what someone else has said is scummy(need to check all other players entrances to see if he should have also suspected others for the same reason), also suspected him because the timing of his miller commentary felt like "overjustification"
(ask more?)
,
I felt like it was overjustification because it was when Morality turned on me, people stopped discussing the miller, and it felt like "People may townread BNL for this, let's shut down this reasoning" to accompany the scumread
and starts to fear it's a TvT
(why? no reason given for the fear, just an expression of uncertainty that they are scum(which is pretty shitty given that they were willing to vote them off basically nothing, and morality wasn't at risk of being lynched....)
Didn't I explain I thought some of later Morality's posts felt like town, particularly how he got back into the thread?
so unvotes, questions mastina on claimed scumread of vedith and pink ball without willingness to vote them, then doubts that voting mastina is a good idea(after people start voting her), explains dunnstral townread goes back to (a suggestion that A50 could just as easily be scum explaining lurking in channels as town trying to prevent town from being stupid as they are inclined to do),notes a decision to ignore my request to confirm or deny mastina's(at this point abandoned) mason claim with him because of a concern that it unnecessarily gives scum information,moves morality to townlead from null(I guess?) based on , agrees with mastina with regards to wisdoms posting being lackluster, disagrees about kokichi head, declares a sheep of townreads on S&J for creatures meta(when in fact people were SCUMREADING S&J for creatures meta),
is a strict "not scum" sort of reads list, elaboration would be nice,
Toog was because of his later claim. Clemency was because the way he approaced his miller claim.
The rest were gut. Everyone I crossed off was a townread of confortable strength
dislikes Drixx, finds Pink Ball more likely town than scum, but doesn't have much an opinion of Vedith or PB, but warns people of voting Vedith because he's always weird, agrees with S&J about fluffiness of my posts, expresses extra dislike of Drixx for disappearing after responding to his post, votes Drixx(starts the push that leads to 4 quick votes), and thinks gamma is unlikely to be scum, asks for cases, indicating a weakness in terms of certainty in his previous list(which showed gamma as not a possible lynch), finds NxM scummy for saying it's fine to lynch Vedith even if he's town(fair, but he WAS defending scum), says Toog's claimed role of dying to any targeting effect N2 seems town(I mean, it's definitely not a scum role, but I don't see it as being outside the realm of possibility for a scum fake claim), finds Drixx not staying and engaging even though he claimed to be "lost" to be scummy, refuses to vote Gamma or Mastina, floats voting NxM, admits to not knowing why they're townreading mastina besides thinking posts were fairly towny
(elaborate?> what makes the posts town?)
, questioned NxM about their assumption that Mastina was lying about NxM's scum meta, rather than just being wrong, questions PB calling gamma's vote a scumclaim and calls vedith's role town, asks for case on mastina, calls out a clear problem with scum!Vedith's claim(if no day talk, almost certainly town indicative...if day talk, NAI), thinks I am possible scum for asking Vedith details about how their role functions(One of which, had they answered, would have given the flipped town doctor STRONG evidence that they needed to counterclaim(which you totally did preemptively but we were short on time so I forgive you Drixx), expresses a SUPER strong townread of gamma, and that mastina is less of a townread than gamma at this point
(why?)
Mastina is a read I really have trouble explaining. I just had a gut feeling about mastina feeling town. I can't really justify it further.
Gamma was because he made a string of posts that seems mildly town motivated which NxM proceeded to call town and I sheeoed that read.

@BNL: Please respond to the concerns that are bolded/in a larger font. Most notably, please elaborate on how your reads list thingie was constructed, and how people so easily moved onto/off it, so I can know whether or not your reads actually mean anything, as well as your gamma read and where the strength in it comes from.

Overall reads like town I would say. No internal inconsistencies, except for the weird decision to unvote morality with no intentions of voting elsewhere/they were not under pressure/with no reason why they had suddenly stopped being a suspect.

Mastina+BnL are extremely unlikely to be scum together.

(I apologize for the disgusting mess of a post I don't think I'll ever do this again it's basically unreadable).

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Also this entire post feels like a grab for towncred rather than actual sorting
So Morality's post questioning your miller claim felt like overjustification for the scumread he had expressed on you a couple of posts prior? Even though he is explicitly stating there that he's not actually scumreading you for that particular aspect of your play? I guess I can sort of see how, due to temporal proximity, those things felt contingent upon one another. Did you have any thoughts/responses with regards to Morality's expectation of expertise on your part with regards to his scum play?

Next point: Fair point; to be more precise you stated you had never before seen him act the way he did when defending his suspicion of you, and that pushed him more to a townlean. Please refer to my previous question re: your expertise on Morality's scum play.

Next point: Understood. Gut townreads of comfortable strength on the people crossed off in 1047, save for Toog and Clemency, which were purely role claim/method of role claim reads.

Next: Mastina is gut, okay. Which Gamma posts were the string that seemed mldly town motivated to you? How strong is your NxM read, and what is the basis of that read?

Finally: Fair. *shrug* I can see why you'd feel that way given that I didn't bother actually playing/following up on things D1, so you expect this to just be dropped like shit was yesterday.

Don't worry though, the plan is to make myself a threat today so scum have to decide whether they trust mastina to be good enough at getting people lynched to leave me alone. :P (Not sure that'll actually happen because I do kind of want to enjoy my weekend, but we'll see!)

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Post Post #1338 (isolation #61) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:21 am

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@Joan: At what point in the game are we basing placing this addendum in our signatures on? Is it her reads RIGHT THIS MOMENT, or her reads throughout the game, or her reads of previously flipped individuals? IF the 2nd, is it just "if she's more right than wrong" or "she has to be 95% right"?

Because I would argue that she was 1) wrong on vedith(not enough strength in her suspicion of the slot to give her any credit), 2) and is wrong on my slot, so.......

I'd be totally willing to take this bet, knowing that I will win. :P

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Post Post #1341 (isolation #62) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:27 am

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Oh, I'd also like to establish that I'm pretty content sheeping mastina's scumreads overall, mainly because I don't really ever see people actually do that, and where I might be inclined to disregard someone's reads because they're so off about me...this is mastina, and I knew signing up(I even told my other head this!) that she would automatically be scumreading my slot; therefore, I'm comfortable just ignoring that and what I would normally think it says about her accuracy.

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Post Post #1343 (isolation #63) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:31 am

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In post 1340, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 1338, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:and is wrong on my slot
Those were the exact words you said in SU2, so.....
Joan, you know that's what literally anyone says in that situation, and moreover you know that *I*, of all people, am not caught by saying things that are especially different from what I would say as town...so such a simple comparison doesn't exactly mean anything.

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Post Post #1344 (isolation #64) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:31 am

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In post 1250, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Operation be so useless and garner just enough suspicious to never be shot at successful.

Drixx:
In post 1057, singletonking wrote:Ok now only 10 pages behind

This game needs some direction so
VOTE: Drixx


I don't think Gamma is scum here; what are the cases on him so far?
In post 1072, Torque wrote:
VOTE: Drixx

In post 1076, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Drixx
post reads or die, that's where I'm at with you rn
In post 1078, Spike and Jet wrote:VOTE: drixx
you have the lowest post count in the game you dont get to call others inactive
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Post Post #1346 (isolation #65) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:38 am

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In post 1345, Near x Mello wrote:
In post 1156, Drixx wrote:Given that I’m counterclaiming a ramping doctor role, you all should definitely look at the shit wagon that tried to go on me 24 hours ago after I’m dead.
you mean this?

you're taking this quite literally

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No one here knows Drixx even a fraction as well as I do.

He meant this literally.

He meant that he suspects there was scum impetus behind the push, but he did not have the time to look for it himself before end of day.

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Post Post #1350 (isolation #66) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:45 am

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In post 1347, Near x Mello wrote:im pretty sure it was just an ego omgus moment

and even if he seriously meant it he definitely didnt mean "iso each one of them and question all their posts" but more "consider these people are possible scum"

so what you're doing feels silly at best and an excuse to look busy at worst

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Perfectly aware that others can/will think that doing so is an excuse to look busy, but also aware that anyone capable of constructing a case against me worth responding to will also be aware that I don't need an excuse to "look busy" as scum.

@Joan: Yep, absolutely. You should never think someone is an alignment merely because they say they are.

As a general note, that's why when *you* do that, people don't believe you. They shouldn't believe anyone. ^^

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Post Post #1351 (isolation #67) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:47 am

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Also, @Joan: I'd just like to remind you, while you're talking about people thinking their ego's are more important than winning the game: in SU2, which you keep referencing, mastina LITERALLY stated she would rather lose with Drixx and I than lose TO us, which is essentially the purest expression of ego over victory I've ever seen.

Just...something to keep in mind. I don't disagree with sheeping mastina's reads as a whole until it fails to work at least, but she is *guiltier* of that particular sin than everyone you're attacking for it.

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Post Post #1354 (isolation #68) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:53 am

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In post 1352, Joan of Arc wrote:Like, prove to me that it isn't true. Put your egos at risk by shaming yourselves in public should you be proven to be wrong by the time the game ends. I'll agree to do the same, but only if you swear not to make a single excuse as to why you can't/won't follow up. Here, I'll do it myself, so you don't think I am not holding myself to the same standards.

[I swear I will not make any excuses to justify myself or to serve as the reason why I can't do the above]

p-edit: Then you haven't played with Wisdom, have you? He literally shot me as town vig just so he wouldn't have to admit to his mistake in public in that one game.
I've played with wisdom two times prior to this.

Both games he was scum.

His play in the two games differed greatly from each other.

His play in this game is in line with his play in the last game I had with him, which I have to view as NAI since his scum play was so different in my two experiences with him.

I can't speak to your experiences with Wisdom.

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Post Post #1356 (isolation #69) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:00 am

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In post 1355, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 1351, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Also, @Joan: I'd just like to remind you, while you're talking about people thinking their ego's are more important than winning the game: in SU2, which you keep referencing, mastina LITERALLY stated she would rather lose with Drixx and I than lose TO us, which is essentially the purest expression of ego over victory I've ever seen.

Just...something to keep in mind. I don't disagree with sheeping mastina's reads as a whole until it fails to work at least, but she is *guiltier* of that particular sin than everyone you're attacking for it.

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And considering you were scum in that game, something she repeatedly stated over and over, and even begged people to listen to her, which they didn't do simply because they preferred to do their own thing, even if it resulted in a loss, no she is not.

Having to watch them lose that particular game because of their stupid pride has made me promise to myself it would never happen again. I don't care if I have to alienate the whole playerbase to do it. As long as I could prevent another loss like the one which happened in that game, I am okay with that.
I mean.

They didn't lose that game? Your faction did, but the town won. :P
My alignment is also irrelevant to the sentiment expressed.

I suggest we move onto other topics Joan. What thoughts do YOU have about people in this game that are not based on mastina's posts?

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Post Post #1362 (isolation #70) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:15 am

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Joanne, scum shot you because you claimed Vig in that game, and there were no other town killing abilities other than Wisdom's ability. search for "vig" in the mafia PT.

So yeah...that didn't happen the way you believed it did.

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Post Post #1364 (isolation #71) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:19 am

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Already responded to it? And imo both wisdom and mastina have absurdly large ego's, but only one of them has, in my experience, said they'd rather lose with someone than to them. :P
In post 1356, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 1355, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 1351, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Also, @Joan: I'd just like to remind you, while you're talking about people thinking their ego's are more important than winning the game: in SU2, which you keep referencing, mastina LITERALLY stated she would rather lose with Drixx and I than lose TO us, which is essentially the purest expression of ego over victory I've ever seen.

Just...something to keep in mind. I don't disagree with sheeping mastina's reads as a whole until it fails to work at least, but she is *guiltier* of that particular sin than everyone you're attacking for it.

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And considering you were scum in that game, something she repeatedly stated over and over, and even begged people to listen to her, which they didn't do simply because they preferred to do their own thing, even if it resulted in a loss, no she is not.

Having to watch them lose that particular game because of their stupid pride has made me promise to myself it would never happen again. I don't care if I have to alienate the whole playerbase to do it. As long as I could prevent another loss like the one which happened in that game, I am okay with that.
I mean.

They didn't lose that game? Your faction did, but the town won. :P
My alignment is also irrelevant to the sentiment expressed.

I suggest we move onto other topics Joan. What thoughts do YOU have about people in this game that are not based on mastina's posts?

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Post Post #1373 (isolation #72) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:40 am

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In post 1367, Joan of Arc wrote:You want to know my thoughts?

1. You're scum.
2. I refuse to lose the game just so a bunch of stubborn players would rather lose than listen to someone else.
Will you play the game if we lynch Wisdom and myself? I seriously want to play with YOU/give you the space to work to solve the game, not just run into the wall I know you can put up.

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Post Post #1378 (isolation #73) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:46 am

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Joan.

Is that really the impression you're getting from *my* play here, and my play with you in the past? Seriously?

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Post Post #1381 (isolation #74) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:57 am

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In post 1380, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Joan, seriously, what have either us (Chito and Yuuri) said to give you the impression we hate you?

Like your reply is actually pretty disrespectful and mean to me, I've never done anything to you, I'm trying to ask your opinion on something because I want to know what it is (the usual reason for asking things) and because I want to get you actually engaged. If you don't want anyone to ask you anything ever again, are you sure you're up to playing a social-deduction game, emotionally? Because right now you're just being mean to people trying to engage with you, and it's not helping the game state or anyone's emotional state or making anyone more likely to sheep Mastina even (look at Gamma's reaction.)

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Seconded, but whatever.

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Post Post #1409 (isolation #75) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:36 am

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@Torque: Hey look you're correct and that's something that I specifically called out myself in that *giant post*, but since I was reading his iso from beginning to end....such a realization only came about at the end of the post.

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Post Post #1411 (isolation #76) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:40 am

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Also, for those of you who are just sheeping mastina without having independent thoughts of your own: Consider where you're going to go after a lynch occurs on this slot(which is decently probable at this point, I think? I'm too busy doing things I care about more to bother with mastina's nonsense, and my partner is like 30+ pages behind, and I have a low enough opinion of the patience of people to trust that the standard ebb and flow of a day, where the first wagon basically never actually ends up lynched, will hold true right now).

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Post Post #1412 (isolation #77) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:41 am

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@morality: Please respond to the last paragraph of my

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Post Post #1422 (isolation #78) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:23 pm

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In post 1419, Morality wrote:Let me add a bit more to that. I pushed that note, and while it is NAI right now, I feel like later in the game it might not be. I’m of the philosophy that one action doesn’t make the alignment, but the chain of actions do.

Mastina’s chain, for instance, has a lot of “doing the most” if she were scum, if that makes sense. I feel as if Mastina is the type of player who would do the most as scum, but not unnecessarily. There are much better ways for her to do the most rather than these tunnels and overly analysis, which are fluffy, but they’re Mastina fluff, so it’s kind of hyper analyzing, and I don’t think it comes from scum. I’ve been looking into Mastina games lately so I could read her better, and for the life of me, I just have to take her game by game from now on.

I don’t know Mastina on a personal level, though, we don’t really interact.
Agreed on the point that mastina *does* generally tend to be the slot doing the most, but she is capable of doing the most both behind the scenes, and publicly. If she has teammates she believes can carry the game, she's perfectly willing to be low key while strategizing. If her objective/team composition is such that she has to maximize her contribution, tunneling my slot and approaching the game the way she currently is is not the optimal path for scum!mastina to take.

With regards to singleton: I don't think you actually told me what posts made the BoP reasoning come into play for you originally, but I'm not sure it's essential now since you're no longer holding that stance on teh slot. If you can, I'd appreciate knowing what he said exactly that drew so much suspicion from you, but Im honestly not sure that information will help me with sorting you at all. :-/

Semi-related: I'm quite confident in mastina town here, which does remind me.

@Mastina: Your point that my primary reason for not locking you as town(that your own knowledge that a push on my slot would be unlikely to go somewhere meant I should give you less credit for pairing a push on my slot with what would, from scum you, be a deliberate choice to draw parallels between your SU1 play and your play here for xtoxm/drixx/myself) contradicted the fact that I *understand* why town!you would push me regardless...sort of missed the point?

You are probtown because I don't see scum you taking these actions in tandem. The doubt comes from the fact that scum!you would NOT be taking these actions in tandem, because the push would not be expected to go anywhere. The fact that town!you could reasonably take the action DOES NOT negate that particular concern, it just makes it a line that scum!you could easily defend.

Regardless, the weight of things is currently in favor of town!mastina by a significant margin overall.

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Post Post #1484 (isolation #79) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:15 pm

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Lazy ISO reading summary primarily because survivalism dictates that I support the Elena wagon if it turns out there is actually good reason to think they're scum, so I need to get through my other plans to take a look at them.

First though: After reading both Torque and singletonking, they both seemed to have reached the conclusion that S&J were widely townread, when if anything the thread consensus was more that there was cause to think they were scum, but people were saying that the reasons to think they were scum were actually NAI, meaning that yesterday they were, at best, null, and probably closer to null-scum, in terms of general thread consensus.

Did I somehow miss something that happened and made people think they were probtown, at least enough so that Torque and singletonking came to that same conclusion? If not, can Torque nad singletonking explain what you read in the game that made you think they were generally townread?

Torque: Pretty consistently anti-vedith, from early in the day(4th on the wagon). Given the extremely malleable and manipulable game state throughout D1, I'm far more inclined to think Torque is town rather than bussing scum. Torque also analyzed the situation with Vedith and Gamma in a similar fashion to myself, decent chance that they're scum together based on the interactions and gamma's opportunism elsewhere. Later expresses some doubt about Vedith, which weakens this position a bit...and obviously makes me consider whether or not his position on Gamma is purely designed to lead us down the path to a mislynch on Gamma ; still inclined to vote Gamma, wiith an eye on Torque if that ends up as a town flip.

Conclusion: likely town based on interactions with scum slot and general play.

Time to go do something more fun than ISO'ing. Will continue isoing over the night.

In the meantime.
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Post Post #1485 (isolation #80) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:17 pm

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In post 1483, Almost50 wrote:@Toog: Since you're here... I'm going to poke you with a couple of questions. First, true or false: you are in only ONE channel (CH 5, as per your 2nd post of the game). Is this correct?
A50, what shifts occurred in your reads as a result of Vedith flipping scum?

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Post Post #1511 (isolation #81) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:07 pm

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Mastina: assume we both flip town.

Toog dies N2.

Analyze with those assumptions.

Also...you do realize I was speaking to the people sheepong you(Torque, Gamma, Joan), not to you.

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Post Post #1675 (isolation #82) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:01 pm

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You know the best part of mastinas posting right now? She's making the same point re: possible scumteams based on her expressed PoV as I was waiting to see if anyone noticed when she responded to my question about what happens if toog and I both flip town.

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Post Post #1763 (isolation #83) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:22 am

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In post 1753, singletonking wrote:
In post 1734, Elena Fisher wrote:Ok my brain is going into a bit of a shutdown and I'm skimming the last 4 pages wanting to be over. That's a sign that I should stop. I will however vote here.
VOTE: Clem
Now some people might be. 'But Elena you never talked about Clem in like any of your iso!' You'd be correct in that.
He was a hard null read that made me want to comment on almost none of his posts besides the recent ones on 66/55 all the sideline posting seems to be scum trying to fuel the flames. I dislike it
While I dislike the Clemency vote I townread the bolded
Elaborate.

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Post Post #1819 (isolation #84) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:28 am

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In post 1784, mastina wrote:
In post 1780, Morality wrote:Good thing just being loud was never the part that could confirm. I just also happen to be loud.
Doesn't matter.

Confirmed role != confirmed alignment.

With the exception of ACTUAL masons, innocent childs, and friendly neighbors.
It is rather clearly self-evident you are none of those.

There isn't a role in the game you could have aside from one of those that could ever make me think you are town. Mass-doc? Sane cop? Super-inventor? Role enabler? Role disabler? Nope, not a one. Nothing in any of those roles inherently implies town.

Knowing about the existence of those roles and letting them live a single night?

Nope, still doesn't make you town.
Knowing about the existence of a role allows you to neutralize or otherwise contain the role to be utilized in the most pro-scum way possible while still masked as a pro-town agenda.

I've used this tactic before (deliberately letting a strong town role live in spite of knowing about it),
Cerb's used this tactic before,
and if you claim you haven't, you're a dirty rotten liar because you know damn good and well you've done so too.
I almost always use it, because the strong town role generally makes itself useless to town by virtue of trusting a scum team member enough to share their role with them. You end up with perfect knowledge of their actions and can play around them perfectly, and even(as I and Drixx did in SU2) play INTO those abilities deliberately because "of course you'd never deliberately trigger this thing."

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Post Post #1821 (isolation #85) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:31 am

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In post 1808, Torque wrote:Mastina has a post in the hood that no scum will take the effort to fake. I don't think I need to say this but still
Mastina is town, but whatever that post is *is not* evidence of that.

I don't know your experience with Mastina, but she WILL put in whatever effort is required to accomplish her goals. Literally the only restriction on the effort she's willing to expend is the TIME her RL allows her to spend.

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Post Post #1825 (isolation #86) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:37 am

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Also, just for the record:

Are the members of this hood that have claimed to one another 100% certain that there are no scum watching their PT?

I mean, mechanically. Not 100% certain that the people who are speaking in the PT are all town, but 100% certain that no scum have access and are choosing not to speak?(obviously even that's not really 100%, given that a scum role could exist that could spy on a PT, but it's as close to 100% as you can reasonably get)

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Post Post #1829 (isolation #87) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:54 am

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You've all made a mistake then, and should probably just claim to the entire game at this point, since scum *probably* know your roles now(probability dependent upon the size of your hood), particularly since this game allows you to change your role after D3, but I don't expect any of you to actually be okay with doing that.

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Post Post #1834 (isolation #88) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:00 pm

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In post 1832, Dunnstral wrote:I'm not really interested in voting any of Mastina/Near x Mello/Reasonably Psychotic/Elena

I think Robert is the lynch
And yet you're not commenting on Morality?

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Post Post #1838 (isolation #89) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:05 pm

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In post 1837, Joan of Arc wrote:If I die, I become a treestump instead.
MY FAVORITE TYPE OF ROLE WHY CAN'T I HAVE YOUR ROLE?

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Post Post #1845 (isolation #90) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:48 pm

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In post 1841, Joan of Arc wrote:But I want yours in exchange.
DEAL!

@MOD! MAKE US EACH OTHER!

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Post Post #1986 (isolation #91) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:18 am

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I'm pretty sure the only person giving actual reasons to scumread Robert has been Dunnstral.

So...if they're not scum, and Robert flips scum...who else is scum among those pushing Robert?

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Post Post #1987 (isolation #92) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:18 am

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In post 1985, Near x Mello wrote:
In post 1983, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1975, Clemency wrote:fucks sake
where do i begin
anyone trying to lynch robert gets +2 scum points
Honestly, I’d say let it go through, he flips scum, people who were making actual reasons probably have scum in them too.
meaning im bussing?

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Post Post #1990 (isolation #93) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:25 am

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In post 1919, Near x Mello wrote:
singletonking wrote:I feel Robert is too easy a mislynch if he's town

Is he scum for something other than lurking?
personally i didnt like how he went from a policy rvs to acting like he had a legit scumread on us

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In post 1979, Near x Mello wrote:lurkers can be scum too, clem

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In post 1981, Near x Mello wrote:ok
i made a non lurking point against Robert i dont see you mentioning

how does he go from a policy rvs to statements like "i still suspect near" and "i havent seen much of a change with near"; statements that imply an evolving scumread

i see that as scum finding a bs excuse to vote somewhere and then pretend that actually counts as a scumread they can keep mentioning

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I see it!

So what you mean is you've made the same point, three times?

Do you have other objections to the slot? (note, I have basically no opinion on them because reading lurkers is something that I only do when I run out of other shit to do, and I'm like super far behind on the shit I *do* need to do already)

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Post Post #1994 (isolation #94) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:52 am

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In post 1991, Near x Mello wrote:other than that? i have at least one reason to townread everyone else

none for robert

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Post Post #2064 (isolation #95) » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:58 am

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In post 2061, Almost50 wrote:I need advise and I don't even know whom to trust. :lol:

OK.. here's the think... my N1/N2 "grey text" are both useless garbage. As I said I won't be able to post in the main thread tomorrow (D3) for the opening 7 days (and if there's a guilty I think the day ends before I am allowed to vote, but will check with the mod is voting counts as "posting" if I'm still alive tomorrow)

Now the 3rd grey text area is mysterious and the mod won't give me more info. Suffice it to say I may or may not gain a new ability, and if I do I don't know what it is (thus can't evaluate if it's "as good" as my other two.) :lol:

I believe you all have the option to request a new role PM
before the end of D3
as I do. However, most of you probably KNOW what your abilities are and what they're for, so should be relatively easy for you to decide. I DON'T!!

Now how am I supposed to decide whether I want a new role when I don't even know what my CURRENT role does or will have? So this is where I need your advice. It's a gamble either way, and a blind one.. (feels like betting red or black in roulette. with 0/00 being BOTH are useless) :lol:

So, red or black??
The drop happens between the end of D3, and the start of N3, not before the end of D3. With that said, why are you even wasting our time with this question right now? There are actual significant, alignment relevant conversations going on, and you're asking advice about your role which we know even less about than you do.

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Post Post #2234 (isolation #96) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:13 am

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So eh.

FL is literally making the exact same arguments against being lynched that I make...but I do it as both alignments.

I don't think I've ever seen him under pressure versus people who are capable of getting him lynched(mastina/wisdom), so I don't actually know if his mechanical appeal of "JUST WAIT GUYS I'LL CONFIRM JUST WAIT" is legit or just him trying to move the conversation to literally anywhere but himself.

FL: 100% read list if you would? I don't really need reasons for the purposes of me asking this question right this moment(though reasons are always welcome), but like, "never gonna lynch town", "null", and "100% scum team" are reasonable tiers.

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Post Post #2235 (isolation #97) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:16 am

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In post 2232, mastina wrote:
In post 2069, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 2056, Flavor Leaf wrote:Fair warning, I won’t be able to be investigated after tonight, so anyone thinking about potentially doing that towards me should do it tonight. My Night 3 will make me essentially Ascetic.
Uh... Same here.

I mean, people's deadline to target me with anything was night 1 without repercussions. Bad things happen tonight and then Night 3 on I am Ascetic.

I thought it was kind of weird to be ascetic with passive abilities.
Right so we have three ascetic claims.

Now, who wants to be bold enough to call them all town?
Would love to hear someone say that with an absolutely straight face, dead serious.
Toog/FL=limited ascetic
S&J=full ascetic
Clemency=miller
singleton=miller, but with an informed town who claims to know their alignment.

Lots of investigative results fuckery going on regardless.

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Post Post #2240 (isolation #98) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:18 am

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In post 2237, Torque wrote:@FL Sigh whatever. I won't touch you or Clem today. My patience hasn't been high because I'm in every position to just sheep Mastina and take the easy way to play and even told her I'd do it but I'm never really all that convinced.

Telling you how I'm playing totally defeats the purpose. Sorry. But I have plans with you if Near and Mello flip scum today. Which... I don't actually hate going in that direction.
Although you don't think Gamma sheeping your case on Near but recently sheeped Near's case on Robert is awfully scummy?
Like, what does that make Robert in her pov? Does she talk about that?
QFT.

Note where my vote(WHICH I NEVER FUCKING USE PEOPLE, SO YOU SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO IT WHEN I ACTUALLY DO IT) is.

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Post Post #2474 (isolation #99) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:05 pm

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/me waves at Ank.

If you could, at what point(in the thread out here) did fl slot start making serious moves to control their pt, and did they ever expess any doubt that it was safe to share role info in there?as a matter of fact, among those who we know were members(Drixx,your slot,fl slot,and joan are all I remember)...who claimed first?

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Post Post #2533 (isolation #100) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:15 am

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@ankamius: Could you please answer my question about when FL slot started jockeying to control your hood, and who started the claimfest in there?

@mastina: Yeah...I'm mainly only partially here because I wanted to be able to talk through the game with Yuno and help her get a better handle on larger games, but since she's been unable to catch up...I've been basically playing solo and I'm not especially driven to be a good example as I planned to be.

There was something else I read from you mastina, that I wanted to reply to, but I don't recall what it was.

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pedit: with regards to the idea that A50 has access to all PT's: I'll share what I shared in my PT, because I'm dumb and didn't think about the fact that I was removing a way to potentially catch a scum slot. I feel fairly confident that a scum role or factional ability exists that allows scum to at least view all PT's, perhaps in a limited way(gain access to one for a single night, or check membership, or some shit), simply because thematically it makes too much fucking sense that the youtube copystrikers, who are watching everyone's shit and scouring it for possibly copyright violations, WOULDN'T be able to see EVERYTHING.

That particular speculation is why I was so confident in A50 as town. Stating the warning he did early in the game would be working to fundamentally negate what I saw as a probable scum ability; however, I didn't carry the line of reasoning far enough. If such an ability IS part of the suite of scum powers, then my thought that A50 wouldn't think to warn all the PT's is definitely incorrect. Subversion of the expectation of what makes sense for scum to do makes sense coming from him.

In short, I'm no longer ABSOLUTELY 100% POSITIVE A50 IS ALWAYS TOWN, but allow for a universe where he is scum.

So, A50: Please elaborate on your reasoning for the statements you made about the hoods at the start of the game, and also elaborate on why you've suddenly chosen to start speaking.
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Post Post #2560 (isolation #101) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:54 am

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In post 2538, Near x Mello wrote:
In post 415, Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:We have no idea if all the hoods in the game has a scum or not. Some of us are in one hood, some are in multiples like Morality (who elected to post in one channel and not in the other)
This is interesting
Did Morality end up posting in any other channel?

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To explain the slip, PB and S&J:

SSBF stated that Morality elected to post in one channel and not in the other.

There is no way for SSBF to know what choice morality made unless 1) they were scum together, or 2) Morality claimed(in that one PT where they posted) that they were choosing to not post in another PT they had access to.

We need confirmation from the members of the PT we know he was posting in that he *did not* state that he was choosing to not post in another PT.

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Post Post #2561 (isolation #102) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:56 am

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In post 2560, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 2538, Near x Mello wrote:
In post 415, Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:We have no idea if all the hoods in the game has a scum or not. Some of us are in one hood, some are in multiples like Morality (who elected to post in one channel and not in the other)
This is interesting
Did Morality end up posting in any other channel?

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To explain the slip, PB and S&J:

SSBF stated that Morality elected to post in one channel and not in the other.

There is no way for SSBF to know what choice morality made unless 1) they were scum together, or 2) Morality claimed(in that one PT where they posted) that they were choosing to not post in another PT they had access to.

We need confirmation from the members of the PT we know he was posting in that he *did not* state that he was choosing to not post in another PT.

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Also, it could be read that the "us" in SSBF's post was "the scum team", but that's a much weaker argument.

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Post Post #2575 (isolation #103) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:22 am

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Mmm. 64 makes it 90% not a slip.

@NxM: The exact wording used by Morality/FL was that he decided to speak in "one of them".

I think you can make a weak argument that saying "and not the other" rather than "not the others" means they knew FL was in more than *two*, but it's really super weak.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on what it means that when a replacement took over Clemency, the slot that was like...super vouching for FL, apparently largely because of stuff said in their PT, they came to the conclusion that FL was at least some degree scummy for their behavior in the PT?

Confirmation of hard pocket of clemency/joan? Other thoughts?

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Post Post #2577 (isolation #104) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:24 am

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In post 2574, Spike and Jet wrote:but he was clearly not joking
i agree its not 100% could be a wrong assumption on his part
but i like it enough to vote there
we also no evidence he is was in more than one channel
The implication of the phrase "one of them" is that there were others he had the option to speak in. The question is whether SSBF KNEW he had exactly two options, or if SSBF was assuming he had two, or SSBF forgot to make "other" plural, and is thus implying knowledge they didn't have.

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Post Post #2588 (isolation #105) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:20 am

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In post 2585, Ankamius wrote:Tbh I'm not liking Cerb this game in general

I feel like he's better than this push and I didn't like how he worded the PT point for FL-scum.
The fuck?

I'm legitimately not pushing FL for this?

I was pointing out what people were considering a slip/how it could be considered a slip, and upon having #64 pointed out to me I made sure everyone realized it was 90% that it WASN'T a slip.

Did you just misread that?

Also, yes, I am better than I've been playing in general, but not for *this* interaction, which you seem to be completely misunderstanding.

You also seem to like...be ignoring my fucking questions. :-/

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Post Post #2598 (isolation #106) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:11 am

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In post 2590, Ankamius wrote:and I'm iffy about your push because I kinda feel like you would've checked the context before pushing it, you're the kind of player that I've seen pick up on subtleties like this, so I'm confused as to how you would've missed that progression since I was able to pick up on it pretty quickly just from reading the two posts and then checking SSBF's ISO.
Fair BOP point. I haven't read the Vedith/SSBF ISO, and also did not bother reading the conversation around the quote NxM took from their ISO; see my previous posts bit directed at mastina for my explanation, which will probably be read by you as an excuse rather than an explanation, but it is what it is. *shrug*

I was disappointed in myself for not having read the SSBF/Vedith iso and thus not catching what Wisdom did when theu posted it, for what that's worth!

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Post Post #2653 (isolation #107) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:55 pm

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In post 2621, mastina wrote:
In post 2533, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:There was something else I read from you mastina, that I wanted to reply to, but I don't recall what it was.
Probably me commenting on Drixx's read of me, where I said that while my word couldn't be trusted on the subject, your would and you'd vouch for what I said RE: him.
YEP!

Yeah, if Drixx were SOLIDLY scumreading mastina he would have absolutely pushed the fuck out of here on D1, particularly given the presence of a wagon on here and the distinct possibility that if he pushes her with a compelling case, I jump on that wagon, and she becomes the consensus.

He was CERTAINLY suspicious of you, because 1) he always is, and 2) you DID do some things that would have definitely pinged him...but yeah, it definitely wasn't a strong enough scum read for him to prioritize your slot in any way.

It *is* possible that in PT's he said something about certain things bothering him, and people could have interpreted that as him outright scumreading you, but he clearly wasn't scumreading you enough to attempt to get rid of someone who he views as a valuable asset if town.

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Post Post #2660 (isolation #108) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:00 pm

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Here Ank.
In post 1125, Vedith wrote:Okay I'm going to reveal and we can just get my lynch over with.

Personally I feel at a loss as all the wagons feel town and are just bad.

I am Fuko Ibuki

Unlocked from night 1 - each day
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night I can target someone to give a wooden starfish to.
Unlocked from night 2 - if someone has 3 or more wooden starfish on them i can protect them but they will forget and lose all wooden starfish (message says about 'forgetting something important' to the player).
Unlocked from night 3 - when targeting a player to give a wooden starfish to, I can also target a second target that has no wooden starfish to also receive one.

So i confirmed the following.
My protect works for the day phase or the night phase and I can use this action instead of giving out starfish. The protection does not prevent a lynch.
Nothing happens if a player receives 4 or more starfish, all are still lost when protected.
If my second target has a starfish only the original player will receive a starfish.
There is no message for receiving a starfish to the player, only when protected.

I'm helping \o/
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Post Post #2884 (isolation #109) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:50 am

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In post 2882, singletonking wrote:Still willing to lynch RP, if we want to push this game in a non-toxic direction
I don't think you realize my history with RC/severa. Wouldn't be toxic, but would certainly be verbose.

Speaking if which, how the fuck did we manage to go from fl to one of the like...2 players remaining on site who are not already in the game and are even spammier than him???

Anyways.

Anks info about the pt is...not super damning with regards to fl/severa. From what you described, I don't necessarily see how you originally arrived at a scum!flpocketing the channel conclusion; I'm obviously missing context, but your answers didn't really hit what I was expecting to see from a concerted effort on their part to control that pt.

With that said...onestly no clue about Severas alignment based on their posts alone, but fairly confident I can resolve it with them rather than fl in the slot if I manage to wade through the spam.

Severa: quick note, I never shoot Drixx N1, short of an IC claim(and even then its doubtful). Too much fun to beat my homie, and too confident in my ability to anticipate what he's likely to do to be threatened by him as a protective in this case. *shrug*

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Post Post #2893 (isolation #110) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:07 am

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In post 2892, Ankamius wrote:I'm so glad that half of the debate is so much more common than I had expected it to
I think only mastina really thought the game was solved with Vediths lynch.

She's just vocal.

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Post Post #3078 (isolation #111) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:42 pm

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FTR, also concerned that this particular line is 100% within Severa's range as scum, and is also a line that FL(iirc) wouldn't have been able to take due to previously stated positions on the S&J slot. *shrug*

I don't object to the S&J lynch, given that creatures actually hasn't produced *any* content/done *any* gamesolving, but Severa should be lynched soon regardless, long before endgame, and long before the paranoia of it being Severa leads to an easy lylo loss.

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Post Post #3080 (isolation #112) » Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:45 pm

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In post 3079, Severa wrote:if thats the angle the game is taking i'm just going to check out now that i've done my job glgl
We all know you are physically incapable of actually doing that. :P

I have the same problem. If people keep saying shit that is wrong, I have a compulsion to keep chiming in long after I should have stepped away.

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Post Post #3153 (isolation #113) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:46 am

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I was targeted by something last night. Also, I targeted Gamma Emerald with an ability with an unknown, but likely negative, effect; the effect hinted at being worse if Gamma fit certain characteristics, which I'm not going to share, but I believed it could be fatal if they fit those characteristica.

With regards to the kills, I don't actually have any idea which one(s) would have been scum. Severa was likely getting lynched today, and there are two miller claims, and toog let everyone know they died if breathed upon...so yeah. I guess ank was largely townread and active, so most likely scum kill? Thoughts?

@mastina: reevaluate?

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Post Post #3170 (isolation #114) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:44 am

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In post 3169, SuperfluousNinja wrote:Also

VOTE: Reasonably Psychotic

Mostly because my gut reaction to everything he has said has been that he’s making an effort to take control of the conversation and dictate what ought to be discussed. His approach doesn’t feel as inquisitive and open-minded as I’d expect a town to have.
O.o

Maybe you should go read the rest of the game to figure out how much work I'm doing to "take control" of the conversation. :P (Hint: This is my laziest game in quite some time)

Interesting that the first vote placed by someone who claims to have no idea about the game state is on a slot that has a decent chance of being the alternative to their own wagon.

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Post Post #3172 (isolation #115) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:48 am

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In post 3168, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
In post 3153, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I was targeted by something last night. Also, I targeted Gamma Emerald with an ability with an unknown, but likely negative, effect; the effect hinted at being worse if Gamma fit certain characteristics, which I'm not going to share, but I believed it could be fatal if they fit those characteristica.

With regards to the kills, I don't actually have any idea which one(s) would have been scum. Severa was likely getting lynched today, and there are two miller claims, and toog let everyone know they died if breathed upon...so yeah. I guess ank was largely townread and active, so most likely scum kill? Thoughts?

@mastina: reevaluate?

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I don’t know the context of Toog telling everyone this, but if it’s true then it must stand to reason that scum targeted him N2 to get an easy kill. It’s odd because this feels so obvious that I would have heavily suspected him to be scum for trying to say “if you target me, you’ll die!” If anything, my conclusion here would be that any actions happening to townies are more likely to be from town than from scum since a non-killing scum action was likely consumed in an effort to kill Toog.
There were NUMEROUS people who said they would be targeting toogeloo to ensure they died. It's a fair assumption that scum, if they had a targeting ability, would have targeted Toog; it's also a fair assumption that town also targeted Toog; it's ALSO possible that scum just didn't bother because they knew Mastina/others who said they'd target Toog were town and they could trust them to do it for them.

If someone has a watcher result on Toog last night, it's likely worth sharing to give us another pool to look at, but I wouldn't view it as particularly conclusive.

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Post Post #3174 (isolation #116) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:56 am

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Actually, I think I'm currently problynched today, if Mastina hasn't raised me out of her PoE by this time.

NxM
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+any scum that might be outside of this pool of people

+almost nobody who I can think of who actually has been stating much of a townread on me.


FYI, don't be expecting anything resembling defense or tryhard scumhunting for the next...36 hours? Tomorrow night after work I'll be able to actually focus on this game.
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pedit: Unless someone claimed something to Toog in a PT(people who were in a PT with them, anything?), my only thought is they were hoping to be watched and generate a PoE pool for us to work off us. I see literally no other possible town benefit to their play.
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Post Post #3178 (isolation #117) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:16 am

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In post 3177, SuperfluousNinja wrote:Also, can someone please make the case against my slot? Do you have anything other than activity level which is IMO a very poor metric of scumminess? I tend to think that scum is always very eager to jump on the low activity slots as easy pickings. I don’t at all underestimate anyone’s ability to play a strong scum game and fool everyone, enough so that it’s too obvious to simply pick on slots like mine.
I don't think there really is one(likely the only reason why S&J was lynched over you, once people started moving away from Severa/the FL slot(other than Severa's own push, of course)); I believe there was some concern about your predecessors entrance(the person you immediately replaced, not the person they replaced), but beyond that...nope.


At least, not anything compelling enough that I bothered keeping it in mind.

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Post Post #3182 (isolation #118) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:36 am

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I'm pretty sure you've given less reason for why I'm scum than anyone else has given for why I'm town.

JS.

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Post Post #3184 (isolation #119) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:42 am

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In post 3183, Near x Mello wrote:i dont give reasons and you know it

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I do.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of requiring reasons from others for their positions, while giving none for your own.

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Post Post #3186 (isolation #120) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:48 am

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In post 3185, Near x Mello wrote:your just trying to discredit me, thats what youre doing

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I don't need to discredit you, you are perfectly capable of doing that yourself.

Also...historically, I don't discredit people in thread as scum.

I discredit them by letting them mislynch people.

Self-meta is meaningless, but yeah.

Anyways.

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Post Post #3190 (isolation #121) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:22 am

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In post 3187, Near x Mello wrote:^subtly saying "this guy was wrong on severa, you shouldn't listen"

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Naw. If it seemed likely that Severa was a scum kill, then that's a really good point, but otherwise...not so much. Of course, in that scenario you'd have to ignore the fact that scum!me is actually way better at this game than town me, and everything that implies.
In post 3188, SuperfluousNinja wrote:I want to go back to this whole Toog thing. I need to read up on how this went down, but if I understand this correctly, at some point he freely told everyone that his role is such that if he gets targeted N2, he will die.

I legitimately do not understand why any townie would use a night action on him to kill him. Consider the two scenarios:

If a town player thinks he really is town, then why would this player want to kill town? Furthermore, why would this player want to waste his ability which is almost certainly much more than “Target a player so you can trigger some effect he may have”?

If a town player had any suspicions at all and thought he might NOT be town, then you would have to believe that a scum player, whose primary goal in this game is to stay alive, openly told everyone exactly how to kill him without even needing to lynch him. Furthermore, you would have to trust that there was no twist in killing him by targeting him to kill him, and it ought to be obvious that the only reason a scum would want to be targeted by a night action would be if he had an ability that allowed him to mess up whoever targeted him. In short, if he’s scum, logic would dictate that it’s a trap.

So I am highly suspicious of anyone who claims to be town and targeted him last night, as well as highly suspicious of anyone who thought what happened here was NBD and not worth discussing. I.E. the guy I’m currently voting for.
Check Mastina's ISO on the reasoning for targeting Toog; essentially in her PoE(and others) they had a decent chance of being scum, and were likely to be lynched, so more efficient to target them and remove them at night if they were a mislynch just waiting ot happen; if they were scum and lying, then caught scum. It was basically viewed as any action on them was a shot that would confirm them as scum or kill them, with killing them being something that would happen via lynch at some point.

It is, however, a bit weird that nobody(including myself, but I give myself a pass for not really paying attention) actually questioned why scum would make a statement that guaranteed their lynch on D3 if still alive. Nobody even really mentioned that it could be a wifom thing...so yeah.

You are welcome to, in the course of reading the game, find the people who were planning on targeting Toog.

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Post Post #3191 (isolation #122) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:31 am

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In post 3180, Near x Mello wrote:Toog claimed n2 pgo in ch5 so he was probably going for wifoming the scum or something

its not really important. Its better that he died as many people scumread him.

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Also..

The guy who thought it was 'NBD' is the one I just quoted, not me? I laid out the background for the situation, and took no position on other than not viewing a watcher pool as conclusive given the many people who had said they were suspicious of toog and would be targeting him.

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Post Post #3196 (isolation #123) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:42 am

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In post 3193, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
In post 3191, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 3180, Near x Mello wrote:Toog claimed n2 pgo in ch5 so he was probably going for wifoming the scum or something

its not really important. Its better that he died as many people scumread him.

~Near
Also..

The guy who thought it was 'NBD' is the one I just quoted, not me? I laid out the background for the situation, and took no position on other than not viewing a watcher pool as conclusive given the many people who had said they were suspicious of toog and would be targeting him.

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If Mastina is the one that promoted this idea, then yes, that makes me very suspicious of Mastina.

I just think the logic clearly demonstrates that anyone who targeted him would have to be scum and that there is clearly quite a bit to learn here. I didn’t get the impression that you wanted this closer look.
SN, you don't know me.

I want a closer look at everything, all the time, regardless of alignment.

At some point, when points have been discussed forever, I might tell people that they should move their focus to another thing, but that's like...after days and hundreds of posts. The entire way I play and scumhunt is based on taking closer looks at things and finding tiny details that don't fit in with the narratives people are weaving, and pushing those things.

It *IS* a pretty grievous failing on the part of everyone, including myself, to not conclude that Toog made more sense as town than scum because their action guaranteed their lynch on D3 if scum. However, you don't like meta; that makes me unsure how you're going to use this information to scumhunt. Without essential BoP arguments against people, what are you looking for, and how are you determining what's scum motivated play versus dumb town...given that almost nobody actually concluded that Toog was probtown due to their claim/pressured people who disagreed with that conclusion.

Most of those people who didn't act are town, by definition. What differentiates the scum from the town?

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Post Post #3197 (isolation #124) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:42 am

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In post 3195, Near x Mello wrote:also spike & jet are also flipped and town

so far youve been 0/3

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AND YET YOU'RE VOTING THE SAME PERSON AS THEM.

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Post Post #3200 (isolation #125) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:47 am

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In post 3198, Near x Mello wrote:
In post 3196, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:almost nobody actually concluded that Toog was probtown
speak for yourself

how many times did i say toog is town?

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Wisdom, you should know by now that I ignore the conclusions arrived at by people who don't give reasons for those conclusions, OTHER than to push them to give me the reason for their conclusion.

Regardless. Small % of total game was like "OH YEAH THEY MUST BE TOWN BECAUSE OF THAT!"; large % of the total game is town; therefore, town DEFINITELY did not all arrive at that conclusion; so, how does SN plan to differentiate?

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Post Post #3202 (isolation #126) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:51 am

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In post 3201, Near x Mello wrote:sn focusing on Toog is moot, i agree

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I actually think it might be town indicative.

Their drive has just enough of an "eager townie chasing his own tail" vibe to it.

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Post Post #3208 (isolation #127) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:59 am

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In post 3206, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
In post 3203, Near x Mello wrote:more than anything else sn; youre arguing town wouldn't target toog because that looks stupid to do.

Given that town do stupid things all the time, its silly to make that assumption and use it as basis for anything

Town won't play like youd want them to.

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Oof. Your counter-argument is that town is stupid? I just perused through Mastina’s ISO who was apparently a leading proponent of targeting him at night. Mastina is clearly not at all stupid...Mastina has been one of the biggest and most detailed contributors to this game. It cannot both be true that Mastina is stupid and that your angle here is legitimate.
Town is stupid. Period.

I don't think anyone would argue that town, as a whole, is not stupid.

Individuals can be intelligent, and they can also be wrong.

Mastina is, yes, an individual who I would question in this regard because I expect better from her, but I do also have reasons(expressed in this thread for you to read whenever you get to that part of the game) to believe she's town.

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Post Post #3209 (isolation #128) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:59 am

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In post 3202, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 3201, Near x Mello wrote:sn focusing on Toog is moot, i agree

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I actually think it might be town indicative.

Their drive has just enough of an "eager townie chasing his own tail" vibe to it.

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NxM: Thoughts?

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Post Post #3211 (isolation #129) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:03 am

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In post 3210, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 3207, Near x Mello wrote:you misunderstand. People arent stupid, they just do stupid stuff because they think they're smart and theyve solved everything

Their actions are stupid, not themselves

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But isn't that what you're doing, mostly?

And then when the people you're tunneling flip town, you don't say 'Oh, I was wrong, I am re-evaluating'. Instead, you cling to your beliefs no matter what, and when you lose because of it, you handwave it away, saying something like 'I don't mind losing as long as Player X was lynched'
Joan, did you expect to have no vote today? Is this a result of your role, or someone else's actions?

Mastina: Same question, but about your loved modifier.

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Post Post #3222 (isolation #130) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:23 am

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Mastina, I think you misunderstood my reevaluate comment.

I was noting what NxM is, that part of your PoE pool has been established as town, and asking if you were going to reevaluate said pool/what changes you were making.

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Post Post #3226 (isolation #131) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:30 am

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In post 3221, Near x Mello wrote:that statement by rp was awful. SN has barely been here to know which wagon is likely to go through

Seeing you agree is more awful

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You're missing the point. The fact that they haven't been here long enough to be aware of the game state yet unerringly zeroed in on the most viable counterwagon to their own lynch is weak evidence of coaching/input from their teammates on how to save that slot for whoever the replacement was.

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Post Post #3230 (isolation #132) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:36 am

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In post 3227, Near x Mello wrote:i dont agree youre "the most viable counterwagon", thats your own manipulative words to make your point

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Oh?

Who is more viable?

Do you know *how* I avoid getting lynched, Wisdom? It's because even when I'm not tryharding, I'm VERY aware of the thread sentiment and likelihood to get a lynch on, well, just about anyone, but ESPECIALLY myself.

Without Torque and Mastina pushing, we're super unlikely to lynch me today, but with them(and with that being the game state known at EoD, particularly given that members of Mastina's PoE flipped town, therefore making it likely that she'd work up the list towards my slot), a lynch on me looked pretty easy.

I don't think this is at all relevant though. You're welcome to keep attempting to spin my words as scummy with your pithy one liners, that's your MO, but there are better ways for us to all spend our time.

Elena requires a read, which I planned on doing yesterday and never ended up doing, so I can't speak on her likelihood of being scum, but I can say she's definitely not scum with myself. *shrug*

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Post Post #3231 (isolation #133) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:40 am

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In post 3228, mastina wrote:
In post 3196, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:It *IS* a pretty grievous failing on the part of everyone, including myself, to not conclude that Toog made more sense as town than scum because their action guaranteed their lynch on D3 if scum.
Yeah no.
Toogeloo regardless of alignment was going to claim he was going to die N2 if targeted.

With him having a role that died N2 if targeted.
As scum.
He would need to tell people this fact.

He would need to tell people this fact, because if he didn't want to die, he needed this information to be public. Because the chances he'd be targeted N2 were quite high.

Toogeloo fakeclaimed as town, possible but punishable by lynch.
Toogeloo fakeclaimed as scum, possible but punishable by lynch.
Toogeloo realclaimed as town, what happened, and deserving of being tested.
Toogeloo realclaimed as scum, possible, and deserving of being tested.

Those were the only four options.
Option #2 was less likely, sure.
But option #4 wasn't. Don't pretend it was just because Toogeloo did in fact flip town.
There's no universe where a scum Toogeloo WOULDN'T claim that role when possessing it.
So don't pretend there was.
I think the problem with your reasoning is that for scum!toogeloo with this role, the chances of being targeted N2 are much higher if everyone knows about it, and they gain suspicion if they live through the night and always die D3. Your 4 possibilities are correct, but you're not properly weighting the pro's and cons of those choices from a scum!toogeloo perspective; that is, WE, AS A WHOLE, did not properly weigh those things.

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Post Post #3236 (isolation #134) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:50 am

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In post 3233, Torque wrote:
In post 3181, Near x Mello wrote:
In post 3176, Torque wrote:@RP

mastina and myself aren't touching you, I think
Why is RP town?

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Because RP doesn't sound like they're playing with manipulation or an agenda. They feel like they are more interested in figuring out players rather than controlling them.
And I've been informed Cerb is compulsively scheming bastard when he players scum.
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Post Post #3247 (isolation #135) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:16 am

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In post 3238, Torque wrote:
In post 3190, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 3187, Near x Mello wrote:^subtly saying "this guy was wrong on severa, you shouldn't listen"

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Naw. If it seemed likely that Severa was a scum kill, then that's a really good point, but otherwise...not so much. Of course, in that scenario you'd have to ignore the fact that scum!me is actually way better at this game than town me, and everything that implies.
In post 3188, SuperfluousNinja wrote:I want to go back to this whole Toog thing. I need to read up on how this went down, but if I understand this correctly, at some point he freely told everyone that his role is such that if he gets targeted N2, he will die.

I legitimately do not understand why any townie would use a night action on him to kill him. Consider the two scenarios:

If a town player thinks he really is town, then why would this player want to kill town? Furthermore, why would this player want to waste his ability which is almost certainly much more than “Target a player so you can trigger some effect he may have”?

If a town player had any suspicions at all and thought he might NOT be town, then you would have to believe that a scum player, whose primary goal in this game is to stay alive, openly told everyone exactly how to kill him without even needing to lynch him. Furthermore, you would have to trust that there was no twist in killing him by targeting him to kill him, and it ought to be obvious that the only reason a scum would want to be targeted by a night action would be if he had an ability that allowed him to mess up whoever targeted him. In short, if he’s scum, logic would dictate that it’s a trap.

So I am highly suspicious of anyone who claims to be town and targeted him last night, as well as highly suspicious of anyone who thought what happened here was NBD and not worth discussing. I.E. the guy I’m currently voting for.
Check Mastina's ISO on the reasoning for targeting Toog; essentially in her PoE(and others) they had a decent chance of being scum, and were likely to be lynched, so more efficient to target them and remove them at night if they were a mislynch just waiting ot happen; if they were scum and lying, then caught scum. It was basically viewed as any action on them was a shot that would confirm them as scum or kill them, with killing them being something that would happen via lynch at some point.

It is, however, a bit weird that nobody(including myself, but I give myself a pass for not really paying attention) actually questioned why scum would make a statement that guaranteed their lynch on D3 if still alive. Nobody even really mentioned that it could be a wifom thing...so yeah.

You are welcome to, in the course of reading the game, find the people who were planning on targeting Toog.

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I did not. I considered it, but given that my action last night had an unknown but likely negative effect, with the possibility of being fatal, I did not want to mess with the process of determining if their death came about because of my ability or their own role, as well as still finding it reasonably likely that Gamma was scum. I also considered targeting the Robert slot, but given the mod's search for a replacement, if my role were to say block them instead of killing them, I wanted that effect to not be wasted on someone who may not have actually acted simply by virtue of not being a filled slot.

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Post Post #3254 (isolation #136) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:27 am

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In post 3246, mastina wrote:
In post 3231, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I think the problem with your reasoning is that for scum!toogeloo with this role, the chances of being targeted N2 are much higher if everyone knows about it
Why?

Why, in of itself, would claiming that role.
Divorced from all other factors.
Make people want to target Toogeloo?

When in tandem with Toogeloo's play, yes, it would.
Because people were scumreading Toogeloo.
But remove the scumread from the equation, because Toogeloo gained suspicion as time passed. (He was virtually inconspicuous on D1; nobody was paying attention to him until after his claim, pretty much.)
Why would the claim, in of itself, cause people to target him?
What if, instead of him being scumread, he ended up being townread?

Would the town then be targeting him after that claim?

No, they would avoid targeting him, knowing it'd be killing 'town'.

Toogeloo's claim made perfect sense coming from scum actually having that role, because as scum with that role, he would need to claim it. And if he successfully garnered townreads, then he wouldn't be targeted.

That's not a stretch. That's perfectly logical, viable scumplay. His claim of his role came prior to the attention on his slot by and large. He had no way of anticipating people would want him dead that badly because of his play.

It was, ultimately, not the case; Toogeloo was in fact town.
It did not mean the logic was weak/suspect.

It's another case, in fact, of the points being objectively fine/good, but also not being right. (Same metric which I gauged Pink Ball by, mind you.)
Simply because people want to be effective. People want to do things. If Toogeloo's role represented an opportunity for even a single person who scumread them(note, not widespread scumreading, but a single one) to convert a useless power into a vig, they'd be more likely to use that ability on them, than doing whatever their role allowed them to do.

I don't actually see why scum!toog needs to claim that, because town!toog could get away with not claiming it, which is sorta the crux of your entire argument... but honestly, I think this is a conversation we should have after the game, I don't think it helps us find scum right now, unless that scum is you, which I still don't think is the case.

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Post Post #3262 (isolation #137) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:45 am

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Oh, it was definitely a stupid thing to do.

Mastina I love you but you did a stupid thing targeting Toog, and not presenting to the entire game the four possibilities, so people could evaluate it properly and not just blindly shoot them.

I understand you did that thing because you thought sorting that slot would be best done via removing them, but it was still a stupid thing to do.

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Post Post #3267 (isolation #138) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:57 am

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In post 3266, Joan of Arc wrote:And why isn't RP questioning me further, as I'd expect him to do?
Because you answered my question? You have an ability which requires that you lose your vote for today, got it.

Without asking you what that ability is, I don't see anything else I should ask you about?

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Post Post #3270 (isolation #139) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:12 am

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In post 3269, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 3267, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 3266, Joan of Arc wrote:And why isn't RP questioning me further, as I'd expect him to do?
Because you answered my question? You have an ability which requires that you lose your vote for today, got it.

Without asking you what that ability is, I don't see anything else I should ask you about?

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I guess I am just used to you info-prodding till kingdom come. :P
:P Fair. I think the stuff the mod announced told me everything I needed to know. Only real questions I could ask are whether it was something you triggered last night, or if it's something that was occurring automatically, and if something you triggered, if you could trigger it some other time, etc...but really, I don't think I need to know these things?

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Post Post #3333 (isolation #140) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:38 pm

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In post 1484, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Lazy ISO reading summary primarily because survivalism dictates that I support the Elena wagon if it turns out there is actually good reason to think they're scum, so I need to get through my other plans to take a look at them.

First though: After reading both Torque and singletonking, they both seemed to have reached the conclusion that S&J were widely townread, when if anything the thread consensus was more that there was cause to think they were scum, but people were saying that the reasons to think they were scum were actually NAI, meaning that yesterday they were, at best, null, and probably closer to null-scum, in terms of general thread consensus.

Did I somehow miss something that happened and made people think they were probtown, at least enough so that Torque and singletonking came to that same conclusion? If not, can Torque nad singletonking explain what you read in the game that made you think they were generally townread?

Torque: Pretty consistently anti-vedith, from early in the day(4th on the wagon). Given the extremely malleable and manipulable game state throughout D1, I'm far more inclined to think Torque is town rather than bussing scum.
Torque also analyzed the situation with Vedith and Gamma in a similar fashion to myself, decent chance that they're scum together based on the interactions and gamma's opportunism elsewhere.
Later expresses some doubt about Vedith, which weakens this position a bit...and obviously makes me consider whether or not his position on Gamma is purely designed to lead us down the path to a mislynch on Gamma ; still inclined to vote Gamma, wiith an eye on Torque if that ends up as a town flip.

Conclusion: likely town based on interactions with scum slot and general play.

Time to go do something more fun than ISO'ing. Will continue isoing over the night.

In the meantime.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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Post Post #3334 (isolation #141) » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:18 pm

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Hey, people who were in a pt with singleton: Did they claim their targeting last night? And/or make anyone aware of the suicide aspect of their role?

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Post Post #3342 (isolation #142) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:02 am

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In post 825, Almost50 wrote:OK.. let me try to get myself NK'd here:

Vedith(5) ~ Near x Mello, Chito and Yuuri, Torque, Clemency, Spike and Jet, <<< all town wagon.. on a townie
Pink Ball(3) ~ Gamma Emerald, Joan of Arc, Robert2424, <<< 2v1 in town
Gamma Emerald(3) ~ Elena Fisher, Pink Ball, Dunnstral, <<< 2v1 in town
Spike and Jet(1) ~ Toogeloo, <<< town on town
singletonking(1) ~ Morality, <<< town on town
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina, <<< scum on town
Clemency(1) ~ Drixx, <<< town on town
Almost50(1) ~ Vedith, <<< town on town

Not Voting (3): Reasonably Psychotic, Almost50, singletonking, <<< 3 lazy townies (yes, I know I'm one of the 3)
A50 wants this post to be drawn to people's attention(or at least he used it for his color coding)

He believes that the remaining scum team is Mastina+Elena.

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Post Post #3348 (isolation #143) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:27 am

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Something to note(and possibly a note for the mod on why giving reasons for mod kills if the action occurred outside of the game thread): We can fairly confidently conclude that the scum team does not have an encryptor/day talk in any way, unless we assume that SN was trying to talk to someone who is NOT a member of the scum team OR they were trying to talk to a previous holder of their slot.

@Dunnstral: I disagree. I've made absolutely no bad posts; my conclusions have, as always, been accurate. The DATA I bothered to gather to support those conclusions, however, has been wrong, because I haven't been paying attention to the game as well as I usually do.

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Post Post #3351 (isolation #144) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:31 am

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In post 3344, Near x Mello wrote:almost is town

I insist mastina/Elena/rp should contain the two remaining

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So if there are two scum left(which seems reasonable for the top end?), and no town performs any actions that kill people, I'm okay with a suicide pact between yourself and everyone you listed, as long as you go first.

2/9 3 on list
2/8
2/7 2 on list
2/6
1/5 1 on list, one scum lynched
1/4
1/3 town win

Are you confident enough in that PoE to agree to that?

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Post Post #3353 (isolation #145) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:31 am

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Dunnstral, nothing you quoted disagrees with the ENTIRETY of my post. Don't do the bullshit thing of posting only a part of my sentences. There's a reason I phrase things the way I do.

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Post Post #3357 (isolation #146) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:36 am

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In post 3354, Torque wrote:Oi we assumed 15v4 this entire game now

isn't that too few wolves
21%. It's on the low side, yes, but 5 is on the high side.

I would actually think 4:1-2:13-14, with the 1-2 being 3p that are not explicitly anti-town.

Honestly, all we KNOW is that there is at least one more groupscum out there. I'm just running with NxM's own assumptions about remaining scum to ask him to put his money where his mouth is.

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Post Post #3359 (isolation #147) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:37 am

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In post 3356, Near x Mello wrote:no im not confident at all given how wrong ive been up to now

but i wouldn't allow you to lynch me regardless

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Why are *you* not working to reevaluate then?

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Post Post #3364 (isolation #148) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:44 am

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In post 3358, Dunnstral wrote:Not sure what you guys are talking about in regards to rp

They said they've been right but the data was wrong - no, they've j ust been incorrect

I'm not confident in a50 being town and would look to lynch there in the near near future

a 19 player game is in between 4 and 5 scum
Dunnstral, I was saying my conclusions were correct. :P The data I was drawing from(my memory/what I paid attention to) was incorrect, namely about the people who said anything about the toog slot. The fundamental conclusions though, that the bulk of the game DID NOT say anything about them, AND that Severa was very likely to be lynched today, and that I was certainly the best counterwagon option for scum!SN...those things were all correct.

This is...not valuable conversation Dunn. I'm a cocky bastard, and I say the things I say the way I say them specifically so I am TECHNICALLY correct. It's a waste of your time, and mine, to go over this.

With that established.

None of those posts are bad, in the way you intended them to be. None of them were scum-indicative in any way, unless you believe imprecision and inattention to detail is a hallmark of my scum play. Given that imprecision and inattention to detail is almost certainly contraindicative of scum!me, I fail to see how anything you quoted is in any way significant of my alignment in the way you are implying it is.
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Post Post #3371 (isolation #149) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:03 pm

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In post 3362, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3348, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Something to note(and possibly a note for the mod on why giving reasons for mod kills if the action occurred outside of the game thread): We can fairly confidently conclude that the scum team does not have an encryptor/day talk in any way, unless we assume that SN was trying to talk to someone who is NOT a member of the scum team OR they were trying to talk to a previous holder of their slot.
Don't agree with this method (as in I don't think it's reliably true)

I do think scum does not have day talk in this game though, but I'd point to mod meta for this mod and how a previous game of this type didn't have day talk
Agreed that it's not reliable, thus the addendum of the adverb "fairly" to describe how "confidently" we could arrive at that conclusion.
In post 3366, Dunnstral wrote:Severa was going to be lynched by who?
Feel free to look up the wagons on the Morality/FL slot which Severa was in, and note the general lack of strong townreads on the slot expressed except from Joan and Clemency, who was replaced by someone who was NOT expressing the same strong town read on the slot.
In post 3367, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3364, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:and that I was certainly the best counterwagon option for scum!SN...

I know

That doesn't mean you can't still be scum

It's not even a stretch, because the same theory that SN came into the thread with information and a plan on what to do applies either way, what you do have going for you is that he mentioned replacing out (he didn't bold it though, so who knows if that was real) which indicates he wasn't getting his way
Oh, sure. I literally never said that being the best counterwagon option for scum!SN meant I couldn't be scum with them.

I would never play this poorly as scum, or sacrifice myself for a compromised slot, but yes, being a strong counterwagon option for scum!SN to go after does not mean I could not be scum with them.

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Post Post #3376 (isolation #150) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:25 pm

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In post 3374, Pink Ball wrote:And as for how the gamestate is right now, I would describe it as "town egomaniac scumreads other town egomaniac in the biggest battle of egos of the century". It doesn't matter when you read this, it fits at any point of this game.
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Post Post #3385 (isolation #151) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:06 pm

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In post 3376, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 3374, Pink Ball wrote:And as for how the gamestate is right now, I would describe it as "town egomaniac scumreads other town egomaniac in the biggest battle of egos of the century". It doesn't matter when you read this, it fits at any point of this game.
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Post Post #3421 (isolation #152) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:17 pm

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In post 3412, Elena Fisher wrote:
In post 3408, mastina wrote:
In post 3405, Elena Fisher wrote:Reasonably Psychotic: I think this slot has a lot of hot air posts. They say a lot but in the end, the post ends up saying very little. Mech talk over explanation etc etc. If someone wants to explain why this slot is town to me I am all ears.
How about this:
What you describe is exactly Cerb's town meta, not his scum meta.
Tell me what his scum meta is like, please.
In post 3410, Near x Mello wrote:VOTE: elena
You will be lynched before me every single time. You just placing a naked vote on me will not magically get people to scumread me. If I am scum I'm surviving today because people tr me. You know I'm a great scum player so you should tell people why I'm scum if you really think my playstyle is !scumelena right now.
Mastina, you heard the woman! Tell her about my scum meta!

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Pedit: I mean. I guess that works. Feels a little simplistic, but sure! <3
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Post Post #3423 (isolation #153) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:20 pm

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In post 3409, mastina wrote:
In post 586, Vedith wrote:Well, I'm almost half way to being lynched. That's a pretty big thing to put onto one guy.
Now, I could have made it equal and voted Gamma, but that would make me as bad as the people voting me!
RED FLAGS RED FLAGS

Vedith entered the game as the largest wagon--he voted Pink Ball, the largest counterwagon, and avoided voting Gamma...with this bullshit excuse.

Try telling me with a straight face that his reason for not voting Gamma Emerald isn't absolute bullshit.
Mastina, please elaborate on your trajectory with regards to gamme.

Because I'm pretty sure you had them as town earlier, when you had the same informarion you do now with regards to the post you're currently calling out as scum spew.

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Post Post #3430 (isolation #154) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:30 pm

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In post 3424, mastina wrote:
In post 3421, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I mean. I guess that works. Feels a little simplistic, but sure! <3
Didn't feel like wasting the time writing a novel on the subject when it's ultimately not that important. :P Short version sufficed.

I could use your help/backing RE: Almost50, here.

Take a look at him.
Take a damn good look at him.
Read my points on him.
Realize he ABSOLUTELY kills Drixx here N1; he ABSOLUTELY kills Ankamius (one of the best players in the game at reading him) N2; realize Drixx held suspicions MIRRORING YOUR OWN that Almost50's role was a scum role; realize Ankamius (again, one of the best players in the game at reading him) scumread him; realize that Severa (who, while an imperfect scumhunter, is still a
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And tell me what you think.
Naw, it makes sense. Note this is WITHOUT me bothering to reread anything, or ISO A50.

The strongest argument in favor of him being town was the warning he gave everyone(to share what I was thinking there, he only does that as scum in two situations: If his teammates include Drixx, myself, Wisdom, Alisae, or mastina(just don't see that coming from anyone else in this game who's scum game I'm familiar with), or if a/his scum role includes an ability to spy on/be part of all the PT's). I found it unlikely that his team included the people I thought capable of guiding him towards taking that line, but as the game has gone on I've grown more certain that the scum team has that ability to spy on pt's, so he's really left with nothing in terms of reasons to townread him.

Honestly, pure speculation of course, but I think it's super likely that his absence from the thread right now is part of an ability that let's him look at all the other PT's during this time when he's gone from the main thread.

So yeah, no objections to his lynch. Unwilling to vote there prior to his return to the thread at the least, and also will likely require that I ISO him.

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Post Post #3600 (isolation #155) » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:11 pm

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Elena: I'm pretty sure either Mastina or yourself *could*be lynched today.

Mastina:you drastically overstating the influence you had on the scum wagons, and understating your efforts to stall those wagons. Unfortunately,this is something I always see you do regardless of alig ment.

NxM: You do realize that a mislynch on mastina gets you lynched tomorrow 100% of the time, right? ;p

With regards to mastina: I don't believe she deserves *any* credit for any of the scum flips/pressure so far; in addition, I can certainly see the kills performed this game, and the sacrifice of two dead weight slots as within her range(your anti-bussing tendencies are irrelevant here, mastina, for reasons you outlined yourself: attempts were made to save Vedith,but it simply wasn't possible, and the robert/ooba/sn slot was essentially DoA(a willingness to sacrifice that slot, the strongman, explains the kill on Drixx as well, since having a 1x/night untargetable strongman makes every protective useless for town, so the mechanical reasons for killing Drixx did not exist). With all that said, I'm not suspicious enough of you to such a degree that I want you lynched, but I do regret not trying to kill you last night. That is, this js a kill to anybody with shots to simplify this game and kill mastina before we're forced to lynch her out of paranoia if nothing else.

PB: mastinas team?
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Post Post #3609 (isolation #156) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:04 am

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So gamma is the consensus lynch for today, yes?

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Post Post #3610 (isolation #157) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:06 am

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Also, I'd sort of like a mass flavor claim today. People can change their rolea tonight, so minimal scum knowledge gained, and having these claims on the record will be useful in determining the likely truth behind action claims for the last two nights.

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Post Post #3634 (isolation #158) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:16 pm

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@Mastina: go reread SNs flip, please and thank you.

I'd like to be rated in all metrics as town! Please put that as a priority on par with explaining why you wouldnt nk drixx.

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Post Post #3637 (isolation #159) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:22 pm

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Not a slip. Multiple scum strongmen are extremely improbable, so it's just her screwing up the role.

Question is legit town misread, deliberate scum "misread"(given that a lot of this is directed at defusing ME as a lynch threat to her, it's something I catch), or a legit scum brain fart.

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Post Post #3638 (isolation #160) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:24 pm

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Also torque, nxm, pink ball: thoughts on my flavor claim idea?
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Post Post #3640 (isolation #161) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:30 pm

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Fair. In the future just tell me to stfu, don't give me anything to respond to that I might view as wrong/needing clarification :(

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Post Post #3705 (isolation #162) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:29 pm

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Hey everyone.

It's Yuno/Amz. i apologize for ghosting everyone. Life is still kind of hectic. Still working 10+ hour days and in the process of getting ready to move.
I still want to play but given that I'm over 120 pages behind, I will probably just be starting from here.

Cerb has kind of kept me in the loop. Not really. I know Mastina's made massive wall posts and that there was a Town slaughterhouse night. I'm going to be mostly focusing on figuring out the deaths and hopefully isoing. Haven't caught up on who's replaced out yet.

It's just been super busy and I apologize. But I'm back hopefully.

I know that Cerb has told me that other people were asking for this head to make judgments but I've also been told we're pretty much being town read so there's that. If people want to ask questions for this head, please do. Yup.

Yup.

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Post Post #3719 (isolation #163) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:38 pm

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Alright.

I think you're done now, yes Mastina?

First off, Vedith.

Agreed that your vedith vote/the entire situation does indeed match up as a compromise lynch on the slot. I can't say with certainty that your points re:not voting PB at all are indicative of you as town, but I will concede that your vedith vote is less buslike than I originally viewed it.

The SN situation...you're still wrong about. Yes, you mentioned them as a possible lynch all the time, but you did not PUSH them. Same with vedith really. Neither of those slots were actively PUSHED by you for the vast majority of the time they were alive. Mentions of suspicion, expressions of willingness to vote them, but your lynch attempts have been on myself and FL, and now A50.

So, still. Giving yourself more credit than you deserve, but still NAI.

Now, the drixx kill. I find your arguments against why you'd kill Drixx to be incomplete. Historically, when Drixx and I are not hydraing, we've been able to identify one another as town fairly quickly(though our natural paranoia does keep us from utilizing that as effectively as we could). A kill on Drixx is not, for scum!mastina, a kill on Drixx - it's the removal of the potential for Drixx and I to work together(in a game with hoods, where we could theoretically ALREADY be working together unbeknownst to scum!mastina). As you had chosen to go after me early on, obviously a kill on me was out of the question, so Drixx it was. This, of course, is assuming that the threat of us working together is notably greater than the threat we represent individually, but I'd like to think that's the case.

With that said: that same logic applies to A50.

I see the A50 situation, I really do. If I'm wrong about the mechanical likelihood of all knowing scum, then we're *still* looking for a schemer in this game, as I still don't see A50's early play as coming FROM THEM. Am I just completely off base in that regard in your opinion?

Mass flavor claim: I agree with whoever said it would be a distracting from active scumhunting happening today. I disagree that there's any benefit to doing it tomorrow over doing it today, and renewing it tomorrow, with it being a full claim.

Essentially, there's certain characteristics AT LEAST ONE scum slot has, or else some of my abilities are just troll powers that can only hurt town.

Learning who has those characteristics will help me put together a pool of individuals who are suspects BY VIRTUE OF THAT ALONE, and see how that matches up with other PoE.

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Post Post #3724 (isolation #164) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:59 pm

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@Chito: Valid point that the game doesn't require someone planning behind the scenes; nothing has occurred that's especially impressive from the scum team.

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Post Post #3726 (isolation #165) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:05 pm

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In post 3725, mastina wrote:
In post 3719, Reasonably Psychotic wrote: A kill on Drixx is not, for scum!mastina, a kill on Drixx - it's the removal of the potential for Drixx and I to work together(in a game with hoods, where we could theoretically ALREADY be working together unbeknownst to scum!mastina).
I think the very fact that I didn't so much as bring this possibility up is sufficient proof that the thought never crossed my mind.

So regardless of whether I am town or scum.

I can tell you Drixx wasn't killed because
I
thought to remove the you-Drixx synergy.

Again shown because if I had so much as thought of this at all I'd have brought it up; I didn't because I legit never thought of that.
In post 3719, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I see the A50 situation, I really do. If I'm wrong about the mechanical likelihood of all knowing scum, then we're *still* looking for a schemer in this game, as I still don't see A50's early play as coming FROM THEM. Am I just completely off base in that regard in your opinion?
Maybe I was wrong about my reactive self being able to work at 100% when this tired because I can't parse this in a coherent fashion; I don't understand what you're saying here.
Naw, I'm just being lazy and using imprecise language.

I still maintain that in a universe where A50 is scum and the scum team DOES NOT have any explicit channel spying powers, A50 does not warn the entire game to watch what they say in the channels because he or anyone else could be in there without them knowing. If we're in that universe, there (imo) must be someone else on his team who was the source of that particular line of play. Am I completely off base in thinking that scum!A50, in that universe, does not do what he did?


With regards to Drixx/me: Eh. Fair, I guess?

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Post Post #3744 (isolation #166) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:11 am

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For the record, I *did not* state there was any mechanical reason to suspect A50. I have no mod provided information that leads me to believe that a scum eavesdropping type role exists, that is pure speculation; however, if such a role exists, it reflects poorly upon A50.

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Post Post #3745 (isolation #167) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:12 am

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In post 3744, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:For the record, I *did not* state there was any mechanical reason to suspect A50. I have no mod provided information that leads me to believe that a scum eavesdropping type role exists, that is pure speculation; however, if such a role exists, it reflects poorly upon A50.

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Oh, but I DO have mod provided information that leads me to believe knowledge of everyone's flavor will allow me to construct a scumpool which may act as an additional STRONG reason to suspect some individuals over others.

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Post Post #3750 (isolation #168) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:08 am

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In post 3748, Pink Ball wrote:scum!gamma doesn't make mastina town. Gamma is scum for sure
Why are you voting mastina then?

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Post Post #3772 (isolation #169) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:02 pm

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So, after looking absolutely diligently at the recent posts.

VOTE: Mastina because fuck meta.

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Post Post #3776 (isolation #170) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:09 pm

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In post 3775, Amzela wrote:@Torque, by the way, thank you for the pets. They were very nice.

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Post Post #3778 (isolation #171) » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:11 pm

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In post 3777, Torque wrote:
In post 3775, Amzela wrote:@Torque, by the way, thank you for the pets. They were very nice.

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Post Post #3866 (isolation #172) » Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:09 am

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In post 3863, Almost50 wrote:First, I won't go through how many lies/misreps mastina's case on me contained. It was torturous enough going through it in the first time, and I don't want to go through the agony of having to reread and respond to it again.

Instead, I will ISO myself and comment on my own posts/stances to show all where I've been comig from.

But first, let me claim (something mastina is opposed to). My flavor is known to at least 2 slots already, so I will withhold that bit for now.
Yeah no.

I don't care about your mechanics, I cared about your flavor. That's the one thing you're not sharing, so no, that's not okay.

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Post Post #3942 (isolation #173) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:51 am

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Alrighty so.

Chito/Yuuri: The stuff you were pointing out about the similarities between this game and Story Revisited are quite literally Joan's *expected* play. Mastina was(from waht I've heard about that game in here) coaching her to play in a manner that matched her town meta, and so I wouldn't view similarities between this game and that one as scum indicative.

RE:A50 : Is Gamma/A50 a possibility? Because if not, I'm not seeing why A50 shows up trying to push the Elena/Mastina situation. He did make the move of stating his stance on those slots via PT's early in the day, so had to follow up, but he *didn't* need to maintain the same position. He could have had conversations in the PT's while the Gamma talk was going on and been "swayed" to see him as a lynch, without it reflecting too poorly on him. I only see this line coming from scum!him if he's bussing one of mastina/elena, and wants to, if his lynch doesn't go through, be able to point at the gamma lynch as one he was vocally opposed to.

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Post Post #3944 (isolation #174) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:14 am

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In post 3943, Almost50 wrote:How come nobody commented on my remark regarding the 2 Millers? How do we have 2 Millers and no Cop/Investigative? It literally mentions an Investigative in their role pms, yet no one is coming forward (or even hinting) having any results on anyone. Unless the investigative was stupid enough to target Toog on N2, and had targeted someone else who died on N1.

Aside from that, I think I've made my case and have been clear about it.

@cerb: Explain why scum!Elena as
my partner
makes mastina Loved when my main lynch target was mastina!
Explain why Town!Elena makes mastina Loved at all, and why I would start the day still pushing mastina.

But
most importantly
where the fuck were you going with the flavor claim BS, and why did you stop pushing it? I'm starting to find your stances and activity a bit suspicious too. You're not doing the work I would expect you to at this stage of the game, and you're not making much sense. Have I been fooled for the 4th time into trusting you when you're scum?? If so, congrats. I concede.
1) I got your claim from people in my hood, so I had no reason to push you for it.
2) As far as pushing it from everyone, nobody who I actually want to hear from is engaging with me on the subject.

And the reason why scum!elena as your partner makes mastina loved is specifically so you can keep pushing her, and to create distance between your slot and hers. Town!Elena makes mastina loved because people have been wanting to lynch her throughout the game, and she townreads her?

These are not very complicated actions, A50.

As for why we have two millers and no investigative claims/results: the obvious assumption/answer is because those abilities are time-gated ones, not starting abilities?

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Post Post #3945 (isolation #175) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:16 am

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Also, for the record, shit like THIS:
In post 3938, Torque wrote:Pink Ball, mafia chat
In post 3939, Pink Ball wrote:I'll check
IS HUGELY ANTI-TOWN.

DO NOT EVER FUCKING DO THIS.

Because here's the thing. No matter how STRONGLY I may townread the two of you(which, for the record, is a meh thing, but it's more like I don't have a reason to scumread you), I'm now okay with lynching either of you at any point because I'll be damned if someone who is scum is going to get away with blatantly claiming scum in thread.

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Post Post #3946 (isolation #176) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:43 am

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In post 3943, Almost50 wrote:How come nobody commented on my remark regarding the 2 Millers? How do we have 2 Millers and no Cop/Investigative? It literally mentions an Investigative in their role pms, yet no one is coming forward (or even hinting) having any results on anyone. Unless the investigative was stupid enough to target Toog on N2, and had targeted someone else who died on N1.

Aside from that, I think I've made my case and have been clear about it.

@cerb: Explain why scum!Elena as
my partner
makes mastina Loved when my main lynch target was mastina!
Explain why Town!Elena makes mastina Loved at all, and why I would start the day still pushing mastina.

But
most importantly
where the fuck were you going with the flavor claim BS, and why did you stop pushing it? I'm starting to find your stances and activity a bit suspicious too. You're not doing the work I would expect you to at this stage of the game, and you're not making much sense. Have I been fooled for the 4th time into trusting you when you're scum?? If so, congrats. I concede.
ALSO
Why are you asking me about Elena as your partner? Like holy shit, did you not read my previous post(which was so off the cuff that I actually didn't remember what I had said at the time I wrote my response to you, so if you didn't read it I get it)? In that post, I pretty clearly say that only if A50/Gamma is a thing do I really see your line making a lot of sense. Like, we were basically saying the same *sort* of thing, but then you come back responding to me as though I *wasn't* agreeing with the comments you were making? I see the universe can exist where those things happen and you're partnered with Elena, but I don't view them as very likely.

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Post Post #3950 (isolation #177) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:02 am

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In post 3949, Almost50 wrote:OK, the post I missed was the one directed at PB/Torque. The one you are referring to I did read and you said:
In post 3942, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I only see this line coming from scum!him if he's bussing one of mastina/elena
And that's exactly what I was responding to.
Fair. I suppose it's not clear there, but when I phrase things that way the exception is included for the sake of completeness, not because I find it probable.

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Post Post #3952 (isolation #178) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:25 am

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In post 3951, Almost50 wrote:@cerb: Let me try again. You said:
In post 3745, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I DO have mod provided information that leads me to believe knowledge of everyone's flavor will allow me to construct a scumpool which may act as an additional STRONG reason to suspect some individuals over others.
In post 3866, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I don't care about your mechanics, I cared about your flavor.
And now you do gave my flavor claim.
What did it tell you
? Am I more likely or less likely scum? Am I clear? Am I doomed? Did it not matter?? WHAT?
Honestly, telling you this, when you've claimed your flavor in multiple channels and the scum team knows that of the scum flips, something leads me to think that I have a potential flavor reason to suspect other people, would essentially tell them *what* I'm looking for, so until I have *all* the claims I can't actually give you a response.

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Post Post #3963 (isolation #179) » Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:40 pm

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In post 3960, Dunnstral wrote:-Yukiteru
You're not wrong, but if one knows of a town ability that has limited targeting/effects, you can assume that the scum team contains AT LEAST one member who the ability would be effective against.

That's essentially what I'm looking for, people who have flavor that would make them vulnerable to an ability(which I've already used and can't use again, but ya know, you don't have to believe me about that), on the assumption that my role is not purely negative utility.

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Post Post #3966 (isolation #180) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:09 am

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In post 3965, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3963, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 3960, Dunnstral wrote:-Yukiteru
You're not wrong, but if one knows of a town ability that has limited targeting/effects, you can assume that the scum team contains AT LEAST one member who the ability would be effective against.

That's essentially what I'm looking for, people who have flavor that would make them vulnerable to an ability(which I've already used and can't use again, but ya know, you don't have to believe me about that), on the assumption that my role is not purely negative utility.

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This kind of makes sense but if flavor was truly randomized then idk what could happen

I also have an ability that depends on flavor
I mean, I am assuming competence on the part of the mod and those who reviewed the game, but the design phase almost certainly went: assign flavor, assign alignments, create roles based on flavor, balance....in which case flavor being randomized/non-mod selected isn't relevant to any discussion of whether flavor should be viewed as an alignment indicator by virtue of what limitations have been placed upon town abilities.

What is relevant is whether or not the mod would give town something NU and act as though it has a chance at hitting town.

I know at least one of the comods, Varsoon, HAS given a town role an ability that was not capable of hitting scum, due to the targeting restrictions of the ability and the passive protections of scum( Bloodborne, of course, because why wouldn't that be the game with a town vig that would only ever work on town), but I think that's been the exception rather than the rule.

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Post Post #3991 (isolation #181) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:40 am

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A50, why would you assume I would hammer you?

I'm like...person least likely to hammer a wagon I'm not spending all my time talking about.

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Post Post #4036 (isolation #182) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:44 pm

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In post 4031, mastina wrote:
In post 4002, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4000, mastina wrote:Pretty sure this isn't the hammer, so:
VOTE: Gamma Emerald.
When was the last time mastina miscounted votes and "accidentally" hammered?? :P
That would be Steven Universe: Prequel. (Well, sort-of. I thought I was casting a double-vote which would place RR at L-1; it was a triple-vote.)
My other accidental hammers were hammers because I didn't even know the slots were being voted, which this game is decidedly not because I switched my vote to Gamma specifically
because
I knew she was being voted.

But I'm not seeing the hammer?

I'm pretty sure it's like, four, five votes including my own.
Hey I was there for that.

It was bad.

But she was also town there, just bad town being bad.

@A50: Why are you so upset? This rancor towards mastina/people voting you...this...isn't normal.

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Post Post #4038 (isolation #183) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:46 pm

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Anyways, so I guess people aren't going to be doing the thing I want them to.

And now we dont have time for it anymore.

You all kind of suck.

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Post Post #4040 (isolation #184) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:51 pm

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In post 4039, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 4038, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Anyways, so I guess people aren't going to be doing the thing I want them to.

And now we dont have time for it anymore.

You all kind of suck.

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Either you were lying earlier or you're Phosphophyllite.

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Post Post #4043 (isolation #185) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:59 pm

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In post 4042, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 4040, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
In post 4039, Joan of Arc wrote:
In post 4038, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Anyways, so I guess people aren't going to be doing the thing I want them to.

And now we dont have time for it anymore.

You all kind of suck.

-Yukiteru
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<3

Either you were lying earlier or you're Phosphophyllite.

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Does my activated ability look like I was lyin'?
1) I should have said RPing, not lying, because that would be accurate when describing your connection with these characters.
2) I haven't actually seen this show!! So I have no idea. Sorry.

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Post Post #4047 (isolation #186) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:03 pm

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In post 4044, Almost50 wrote:As for why I'm upset, it's because this garbage had gone on for too long, and I explained it in other games 9that have ended now). I have lost 5 pf my last 6 games, and I was only scum in one of them. Why? because people are too lazy to think for themselves, so they either sheep scum or paranoid town who just think it safer to get rid of me lest I rolled scum. Even those who TR me insist on asking for details of my "gambit plans" beforehand, which renders my whole play useless. I either get lynched or fold my hand preemptively all the time. The only solution now is to turn to my troll account and stop efforting. I don't care whether I get lynched, vigged by town or make bad calls resulting in losing the game when I'm playing with AP, so that's what I intend to do.
I'll admit to being too lazy lately. I'm sorry that things have gone so poorly for you. If this is just AtE, boo, but if legit emotions are being expressed, take a step back man. Have fun again. I remember when I first ran into you, so passionate but also able to be silly and roll with the punches; try not to lose that.

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Post Post #4050 (isolation #187) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:06 pm

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For the record I really hope gamma flips scum, because then I won't feel as bad for using my ability last night on them.

And also since my ability last night doesn't seem to have worked on them, it also means that it's even more likely that whoever is left on the scum team will match up!

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Post Post #4063 (isolation #188) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:19 pm

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In post 4055, mastina wrote:
In post 4046, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: Mastina you wanna claim flavor for RP?
Hmm...
Image
+

=
Me.

I'll claim the flavor outright tomorrow, but this'll allow anyone who's seen the show to know who I am by the description of "very gay, gropes her targets", knowing the show's classified as slice-of-life.
(Also, VA for character does performances where she sings--and is not the only one from the show to do so.)
You realize this is the exact sort of thing that gives the scum team more info than town, because scum is composed of multiple people, any one of whom could have seen the show/have the time to research, while each town is alone?

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Post Post #4077 (isolation #189) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:40 pm

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Why...why would you claim your role Chito?

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Post Post #4080 (isolation #190) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:50 pm

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In post 4079, mastina wrote:
In post 4064, Chito and Yuuri wrote:I'm about 3000% more concerned about the fact that you claimed you didn't think it was a hammer than that you actually hammered.
Doesn't matter.
It's the truth.
I didn't think I hammered.

I don't lie as scum, so that is a statement which is true regardless of my alignment.

I didn't know it was, period. End of discussion.

Talk to Cerb, talk to Joan, talk to anyone who has played with me on whether I lie as scum; they'll tell you the same thing I will.
I firmly believe the truth is the best weapon of scum. Lies stand out, and can be picked up by the town. But if you're telling the truth, your sincerity and genuineness shines through--weapons you can turn into townreads on your slot.

I didn't know it was a hammer, but I don't really care that it was.
Eh, I wouldn't say you never lie as scum.

But...you don't lie about things like that, in that way, no.

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Post Post #4082 (isolation #191) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:31 pm

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:/

Alright.

So mechanically, you automatically shoot anyone who visits you who isn't town? Is that basically how it works? Any limit on how many people could theoretically trigger this.

Because if we're talking optimal mechanical play, everyone targeting chito+someone watching them+a lynch on them tomorrow conftowns everyone who visits them. Maybe. Sorta. BP is a thing. :/

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Post Post #4083 (isolation #192) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:33 pm

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Or they could just become effectively BP because scum would never risk shooting them once that sequence of events occurred.
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Post Post #4085 (isolation #193) » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:35 pm

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In post 4084, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: Without going into more detail that plan wouldn't work. If we have a gate I'd rather not say its limit.
Boo.

:/

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