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Hi hi! I'm town!
I'm at work right now. I will definitely read up on all this asap.- the worst
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In post 382, mith wrote:Vote Count:
2 - Alisae (TTTT, PenguinPower)
2 - PenguinPower (Alisae, Majiffy)
2 - TTTT (Chickadee, Aristophanes)
Left to vote:- CheekyTeeky
- CultofAthena
- xRECKONERx
I probably need to go and like. read this but I'm incredibly intrigued what the heck happened here.In post 386, mith wrote:Final Vote Count:
3 - Alisae(TTTT, PenguinPower, CultofAthena)
2 - PenguinPower (Alisae, Majiffy)
2 - TTTT (Chickadee, Aristophanes)
2 - Aristophanes (xRECKONERx, CheekyTeeky)
I thought Ari was a pretty easy read so the fact he was flashwagoned at EoD but not lynched is pretty indicative of shenaniganry imo
also incredibly curious what possessed Cheeky/Rek to go for a flashwagon rather than voting onto an established wagon
Given Alisae was already at 3 I don't like..... see a reason for this outside of vca manipulation
Again haven't read the thread yet so ┐(´д`)┌ but if anyone wants to ELI5 to me on this I'd be super grateful- the worst
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Just fully registered that CoA did have the final vote onto Alisae there.- the worst
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Townreading CoA for the hammer- the worst
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> offwagon kill
> post 397 happens
ok
I'll read the entire game later but look forward to Reck and CT weighing in. PP and CoA how does my rep make you feel?- the worst
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But I even said I'm town- the worst
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That's valid. I'll work on being extra radiantly towny.
Does a Majiffy/Reck solve make you happy? What makes you SR Majiffy more heavily than Reck at the moment? (if you've gone into this & I haven't read yet feel free to shut me down)
What's % of the time would you say Ari is town here? how do you feel about the CT/Reck Ariwagon at EoD?- the worst
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What was up w voting Ari at EoD? As much detail as possible would really help if that's ok. I don't really like how EoD went down from a sheer vca pov- the worst
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Popcorn voting phase
And no I literally just said I haven't read up yet
I iso'd the mod to say how the lynch went down and was alarmed at the sudden ariwagon so decided to try and parse that first so I can have a semblance of how I ~feel~ about slots before diving into the game linearly
do you feel defensive for yourself/Reck? not saying its wolfy. it might feel totally justified and that's ok. I just dont understand your reasoning yet and wanted to try and work backwards a little.- the worst
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Alright I'll go do my read-up and think oj all this a little more criticalfully
I kinda don't love any of the wagons yday at face value so I kinda feel like I'm gonna end up empathising w you more after I've caught up- the worst
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i'm really sorry for the epic wall of catchup logic but i soulread at least one other player in this list is gonna read every single word of this and correctly read me
literal tinfoil but worth a shot and i'm like, having the thoughts anyway so
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why so?In post 502, Aristophanes wrote:Lemme know when you do catch up and your thoughts on things because if you really are town this game just got a whole lot easier!, where ypu remain unless I see otherwiseI had ypur slot as my top scumspect- the worst
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i feel quite good about the fact we have two nullish/POE flips from this stage of the game lmaoIn post 136, PenguinPower wrote:I didn't see where you were TRing them both until after CoA's readslist. Reading back on you saying how you liked I read the game kinda makes sense with that statement though.
But, yeah. Ok.
{Majiffy, Chickadee, Maestro} with an outside chance of {Reck} and a spacelaunched chance of {Ari, TTTT}.
unfortunately i want flips in my actual scumreads because it's too soon to work out if i can smell a deepwolf- the worst
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Spoiler:
i'm gonna skim after this and just comment if anything aggressively changes my mind because i feel good and i'm becomming even more tunnelled- the worst
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{tw}
{CoA, CT}
{PP}
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{Ari, Reck}
{Majiffy}
bottom tier is losing weighting
if i'm being finessed i'm being finessed by mr. penguin
i don't think i'm being finessed- the worst
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actually agree
this is either town or a good nose for a mislynch
decidedly not townyIn post 283, Majiffy wrote:Ari is a dumb lynch
you called?In post 298, Aristophanes wrote:
<3In post 292, xRECKONERx wrote:
maestro has not proven to me he is capable of bamboozling a town after lurking out all gameIn post 285, PenguinPower wrote:
But you don't want to lynch Maestro...In post 282, xRECKONERx wrote:i have always been an advocate for lynching people that lurk and do nothing
ari has
This is actually really nice!
I thought I was simply the worst as scum but I guess I'm making progress!
also lol
you're doing the nancy drew 39 scumtell halp
i will consider it to avenge youIn post 299, Chickadee wrote:I think everyone should use the same snapchat filter that Reck and I have used.
In post 300, Aristophanes wrote:ridiculous@Ariyo level with me on this one?
what makes you think TTTT rolls wolf and...decides to approach the game this way?
it feels more like a list of grievances than a scumcase
yeah i just tried to do the filter and couldn't work it out someone pls be my snapchat piloting coachIn post 302, Aristophanes wrote:I don't jnow how to use filters on Snapchat tbh. Sorry!
like thisIn post 311, CheekyTeeky wrote:Maestro probs scum for reasons. Just saying.
more than this
uh oh i'm starting to like reck my badIn post 330, xRECKONERx wrote:huh allow me to introduce you to ari's iso
he has spent the entirety of the day making jokes, talking about off-topic shit, or just randomly questioning people while providing no reads of his own.
the only post that could qualify as content is 300 and even then he slips right back into contentless dreck
flashing back to my earlier comment about wondering how this slot survived d1
i feel it
...........alisae flipped green after this
whoo
maybe ISOs look exceptionally bad? i'm not really that kinda player and reading back thru ISOs now will just firm up my confbias
the issues e takes with CoA are basically the reasons i think she is the Hero We Need
> hates metaIn post 369, xRECKONERx wrote:
player with awful lurker meta gets pass on awful lurker meta despite winning games on terrible awful lurker meta as mafiaIn post 339, Alisae wrote:
Isn't that the town ari that always gets mislynched?In post 330, xRECKONERx wrote:huh allow me to introduce you to ari's iso
he has spent the entirety of the day making jokes, talking about off-topic shit, or just randomly questioning people while providing no reads of his own.
the only post that could qualify as content is 300 and even then he slips right back into contentless dreck
dunno, haven't played in awhile.
more at 11
> this
ok : ]
up to the voting phase i'm gonna try and tryhard this aggressively- the worst
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firstly chickadee/tttt/pp had the right idea forcing your scumreads to vote asap i just kinda wish i actually shared these scumreads because like
i'm super curious to see what would have happened if majiffy/ari were earlier in the order
ok i can't follow chickadee's vote on tttt all that well but given i'm fairly sure she was townreading scum and she's not here to ask i can't really dwell on that
tttt alisae vote is fine.
i'm not really sure there was an effort made to sort pp but uh
that's policy at this point so whatever
this is just something i want out there
definition of an ok vote
this is more or less fine
obviously not s/s with other person on the wagon given they've flipped..
still strongly dislike scumcase on tttt but my pred didn't really do anything to dispel it so i'm pretty neutral towards this vote
my anticipated empathy was right and i hate this a lot less than i originally thought i would
CT hard town, and actually leaning a tiny bit more towards town on reck for the desperate attempt at a last minute wagon when there were consensus options
this is fine
realtime interactions were pretty town indicative for CoA and pretty ??indicative for Ali
I don't think e was invested enough in the game to twist our reads on em around in a hurry
it's still poe
i can definitely sleep easy with the hammer- the worst
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In post 390, CheekyTeeky wrote:You're ok was hoping you'd choose Ari since noone voted manjiffy.In post 391, CheekyTeeky wrote:How does the Ali flip change your reads CoA?
i like this kinda recalibration moment for t/t but just a ping / supporting biasIn post 393, CultOfAthena wrote:
Not entirely sure yet. The default response is to say "I'll have to re-evaluate", but I'm fairly confident in my most confident townreads, so it may be a simple matter of moving down the list on my scumreads.In post 391, CheekyTeeky wrote:How does the Ali flip change your reads CoA?
this i hard disagree with and it's probably because you're doing as much as possible to make sure nobody believes any of your readsIn post 397, xRECKONERx wrote:
This entire wagon is lynchable rn tbhIn post 386, mith wrote:3 - Alisae (TTTT, PenguinPower, CultofAthena)
The Maestro wagon was always sketch and then the Alisae wagon before she could even catch up was doubleplusbad
There's scum here for sure for sure
talk to me about how you think this is wolf motivated (assuming you're calling 1/maybe 2 on-wagon?)
how so?In post 398, xRECKONERx wrote:I think PP is actually pinging my tinglies the most right now but CoA's hammer was uhhhhhh superbad- the worst
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i think that's pretty much all i'll read tonight and i feel ~ok
final reads are roughly
{tw}
{CT}
{CoA}
{PP}
{Reck}
{Ari}
{Majiffy}
all i really want to hear back on (other than if someone wants to teach me how to snapchat filter obv) is
In post 300, Aristophanes wrote:ridiculous@Ariyo level with me on this one?
what makes you think TTTT rolls wolf and...decides to approach the game this way?
it feels more like a list of grievances than a scumcase
+ how my repin made CoA feel
+ question just asked to Reck
i'll be around for realtime fun til deadline
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If my head is totally on backwards help me see where i've fucked up?In post 513, Majiffy wrote:Towns losing this game if you side with the scumbos TW
Snap filter is gone I looked for it back on D1
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@Reck I get it. from a cursory glance at the vca I was like "how the hell does this ever happen" but I straight up think this is within Ari's scum meta and regret kinda making the assumption he was town because he was posting right off the bat.
Wrt maestro I definitely agree it could have been a scum motivated wagon at a higher conceptual level but I'm not actually sure I see the hand of evil in the way the mislynch went down. CoA's vote totally checks out to me after their real time interactions (I'd say it's probably tied with your vote on Ari for the vote I liked most at eod1)
PP's vote on em also presented as like. pretty ok to me but I'd consider that as scum motivated before I'd consider CoA's
I might be a hard sell on this because TTTT's vote was by far the weakest on the Aliwagon and I have TMI on my own alignment and stuff
But at the higher conceptual level were kinda talking at I see that as just as easily the kind of wagon I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole as scum. Even when Maestro was in the slot he was indeed LHF and was going down flailing as hard as he could with his time - it wasn't really possible to guess how how pushes or vote's would land or whether he'd suddenly aggressively obvtown. idk we might scum super differently but I don't like trying to mislynch players who are completely unpredictable. Alisae is in the same boat categorically imo.
What's tipping you off that this is certainly scum motivated rather than possibly town motivated?- the worst
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I'm definitely reading them upside down then.
Any chance of pointing me in the right direction to seeing their scum motivation? (I'd ask how I can townread you but I think I ~know how you'd answer at this point)- the worst
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You don't think Ali had produced enough content on the back of eir pred that it was reasonable to have a pretty solid read on that slot?In post 519, xRECKONERx wrote:
I do not see town motivation in "oh this person just replaced in, let's kill them before they can contribute"In post 516, the worst wrote:What's tipping you off that this is certainly scum motivated rather than possibly town motivated?
none. i dont see it at all. obviously they can't all be scum, but i have to believe at least one of them is. i dont think anyone anticipated i would get as livid about the maestro wagon as i did, there weren't any warning signs, so i dont see why scum wouldve avoided it.
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I was just thinking that. Chickadee claimed the same ability and I don't think I'm convinced by either of them.In post 525, CultOfAthena wrote:
This should be "Majiffy", not Reck.In post 521, CultOfAthena wrote: Also interested to hear what you think of Alisae's claiming an ability to readreckand eir townread there. It certainly won't stop me if it comes down to it, but it does give me pause.
Majiffy has a reputation for being like... good at mafia as well so I'm not super inclined to believe it without checking credentials and I'm too lazy to check credentials
if you have a situation like e.g. mathdino and northsidegal who are very good at reading each other and despite being excellent would need a LOT of artillery to outplay each other then I'd categorically accept majiffy is town based on his minimalistic play but I don't feel like there's tonnes of validity in these claims- the worst
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@Reck how did that hammer surprise you in the slightest..? It was either town or a brilliant setup ngl- the worst
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I really think I want Majiffy today
pedit: that's a big read. I might need a bit to get to it.- the worst
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OK let's lynch Majiffy today.
I'm tunnelling harder than I did originally on Reck- the worst
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did you read my long catchup ramble? I'm thinking probably not because I shaded your TTTT read quite a bit and asked you to explain it and you haven't :< it's ok either way- the worst
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posting fluffylike can be town indicative sometimes too
this whole conversation feels kinda pointless I think- the worst
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Why do either of those make you think TTTT was aligned with the mafia tho
I might be missing a connect between "these are things that could potentially come from crafty scum" and "wow these things lead me to think TTTT is aligned with the mafia"
namely in a gamestate where there are slots who have made pretty blatantly driven plays whichever side of the fence you shit on
like Majiffy or Reck or CoA or PP could be scumspects, they're all playing hard in different ways. yet you landed on... the howling baby? It just has me like :// a little- the worst
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again might also be because I'm TMI'd on tttt's alignment tbh- the worst
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any chance you might be willing to tier/weight reads?- the worst
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You think the scumteam is Jiffy/CoA?- the worst
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basically exact moodIn post 562, PenguinPower wrote:Sorry...there's no way CoA is scum here...let alone with Jiffy. I don't get that read.- the worst
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based on the fact we're lynching jiffy todayIn post 561, Aristophanes wrote:Entirely possible, ya
if jiffy greens how will your reads change- the worst
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if Jiffy reds who is his buddy other than....CoA lolIn post 565, Aristophanes wrote:CoA is very possibly scum lol
If Jiffy flips town...fuck man. CoA should be scum and it leaves Cheeky or TW...bithbof which require a strong reread but probably Cheeky tbh. You've done well for your slot tbh- the worst
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your signature is psychically telling me to lynch PP then coa- the worst
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PP/Reck p17-18 doesn't feel as town/towny as I want this conversation to feel
also really doubt they're scumbuddies for what that's worth but also like PP is probably still town I'm just not sure why there's a lack of middle grounding happening there- the worst
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Are you still hard town on Reck? Whatre you seeing?- the worst
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Hope this gets the pagetop
@COA where has Ari townposted today?- the worst
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Nah I'm not sure I need a response to pg17/18 just need to keep playing. I still think this is winnable via PoE and so forth.
Also starting to wonder if I'm townreading you more than CoA but I think it's the repeated screams that she's scum finally getting to me.- the worst
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I still don't really get what you ever sawIn post 578, Majiffy wrote:
YesIn post 573, the worst wrote:Are you still hard town on Reck? Whatre you seeing?
I see no reason to downgrade him.
Am I bad?- the worst
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IDK CoA meta so if you're confident she's not a secret scumgod I'll take that at face value. I don't scumread her from a content pov- the worst
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I don't hate the opinion that meta is garbage too much, it is objectively wrong but super healthy for site culture etc. I just feel like CoA is obvtown and meta backing that up is but a warm fuzzy feeling. debunking her obvtownness then on the basis that meta is trash is what makes me say "here we go"- the worst
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also I am WAY too lazy to actually do meta stuff- the worst
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13 hours to go
it'll be uh 9.30am friday morning when deadline hits for me so i'll be around a little more but unless anyone has a reason not to just powerlynch majiffy i'd prolly suggest that- the worst
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CoA where has ari town posted today? You mentioned finding his posting a good deal townier.- the worst
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I'll meditate over it later (if I'm the nk I'll meditate over it asap and may vote Ari over Majiffy if I decidedly don't like it but idk)
I wondered if that's what you were signalling. Is there anything in there that made you think "they this comes from town" or just the like effort of it?- the worst
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OK I'll try and fancy this. Sorry I won't be able to do it properly before discussion deadline.- the worst
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VOTE: Majiffy
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Woah that's a great flavour twist. And also a great in-game twist. Well voted Reck, and sorry for the derptunnel.
@PP, that was CoA's theory as well!! it might've been to draw the kill I guess. - the worst
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