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Post Post #145 (isolation #0) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:34 am

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In post 3, Vedith wrote:Okay, so many great looking ladies.
However, lucky for you lot I'm not a picky gentleman.

I will dance with anyone!

So the question is, who wants me?
What if we paired again lol
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Post Post #146 (isolation #1) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:35 am

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Post Post #148 (isolation #2) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:37 am

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In post 12, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3, Vedith wrote:Okay, so many great looking ladies.
However, lucky for you lot
I'm not a picky gentleman.

I will dance with anyone!


So the question is, who wants me?
In post 4, Pink Ball wrote:Ew
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Sorry, I’ll have to agree with Alisae here. You don’t want to dance with just “ANYONE”, since “anyone” might be scum.
Alisae? What? They hadn't posted yet.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #3) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:01 am

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In post 15, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 8, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 6, Vedith wrote:
In post 4, Pink Ball wrote:Ew
I promised myself I wouldn't cry...
Plus there's still 7 more to move onto!
Girls don't want a guy that doesn't compromise and go for whoever takes him, you don't make us feel special.


If you like it you then should put a ring on it
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I’m not sure he actually cares, which lady he puts a ring on. :lol:


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Post Post #183 (isolation #4) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:06 am

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In post 29, Vedith wrote:
In post 24, Pink Ball wrote:Shit you have a car?!?!!?? You should've started with that!
Maybe we can go to McDonalds after my
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dance with Nancy,
Mate.
Eugh this feels mildly squicky, why the mate at the end.
Could just be reacting like Donna does here though.
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Post Post #191 (isolation #5) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:10 am

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In post 51, Krazy wrote:
In post 0, FakeGod wrote:First dance will end if there are 12 players or fewer left alive or deadline is reached.
So I'm just rereading the ruleset

uh, do we just do nothing first dance?

Sorry I was about to vomit out some setup stuff that hinged around how much I hate the coins and then I realized simply not lynching anyone was an option.

Or alternatively,
@FakeGod, is No Lynch an option for first dance?
I don't know how to feel about this, weren't you in the last one Krazy?
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Post Post #195 (isolation #6) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:12 am

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In post 60, Dannflor wrote:To add to what Taly said, pairs should probably be decided near end of the pre-dance so we have the most info when making them. ...or we just pick a date we think is cute.
I like this realism about the chances of an effective pairing strategy
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Post Post #196 (isolation #7) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:14 am

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In post 62, Krazy wrote:So basically there are two ways to play this setup.

I think *both are viable*... and we maybe should think about it a little bit

Strategy 1: We commit to a tentative grouping of 6 locktown players to endgame

Problem with Strategy 1: Scum will, on average, I believe have 6-7 coins toward the end of dance one. But they can have more.

So the really annoying scenario that might have made me really angry in the past is {what if this game gets really stupid}

The game gets really stupid if we spend all of pre-dance hammering down our top 6 townreads, and then it's clear what the lynch order is

So we have at the end of dance 1 7 pairs:
Town pair 1
Town pair 2
Town pair 3
{knows they will get lynched pair A}
{knows they will get lynched pair B}
{knows they will get lynched pair C}
{knows they will get lynched pair D}

Which means that *if* (and again, this is actually a statistically uncommon scenario) there are two scum men in "ABCD" and their combined coin count is over 8 (which is barely a statistical blip -- if there are two scum men it is not at all unlikely their combined count is over 8) which would mean if they wanted to they could actually lynch Town Pair 1, kill Town pair 2 at night, and then throw the IC on one of the two scum men that scumclaimed, thus rendering the IC useless and creating massive wifom about the remaining pairings. That might even be game winning at that point if no scum had been lynched at that point.

I am NOT saying this is a likely scenario. But I did, at some point in the past, start getting *very focused* on this particular scenario and I think we might want to think very briefly about how we want to actually play out this game
Wait I need to read the rules again now
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Post Post #197 (isolation #8) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:15 am

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Oh boy so the IC is deferred to later. That's interesting and negates the chance of it getting killed. I like.
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Post Post #203 (isolation #9) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:18 am

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In post 74, Vedith wrote:
In post 72, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yes, Vedith seems too eager and isn’t trying to sort the ladies.
My main concern is making it to the dance.
I do recall Vedith being similar in the last one we were in together and he was town
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Post Post #205 (isolation #10) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:20 am

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In post 82, Vedith wrote:Trying to plan the dance setup in 2019 :giggle:
We did very well in Witches Ball imo
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Post Post #207 (isolation #11) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:22 am

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In post 87, Krazy wrote:
In post 70, Dannflor wrote:I mean ladies know how many coins they have yea? Can we just pair town read gents with high coin ladies, or am I missing something?
This is another strategy but it presents all the same risks of strategy 1, which is if we are wrong on some reads Dance 1 risks getting really, really stupid

I guess partly I just want to make it so there is less scum motivation in scum claiming and speed lynching town

But you may be partly right. I might need to think about this. But I think this is why we basically just have to no lynch. Otherwise if we mislynch once, and scum have 8+ combined coins, the game gets really stupid really fast.

I don't know if you noticed this yet but I really don't like the coins since they risk making pre-dance pointless and/or risks turning apparently optimal d1 play for town into a disaster.

But you maybe right--maybe we want the ladies with coins 5-8 to all hardclaim, and actually just pair in order of townreads there?

Otherwise if we have 2 scum gentlemen that, combined, have 8+ coins, dance 1 is just awful for town
Um voting is majority based on the sum total of coins right? Am I wrong?
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Post Post #214 (isolation #12) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:25 am

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In post 98, Krazy wrote:However, given that a mountainous in dance 2 can be really exhausting for town, I do think there is merit in going with at least some of the logic of scenario 2 -- have the top 4 coin ladies choose a man they townread that they can enjoy solving with or enjoy sorting rather than having it be over-determined by group consensus
Reminder that deadline doesn't reset off a lynch in Dance 2
So with that plan we'd have 8 days to sort 14 players
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Post Post #216 (isolation #13) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:27 am

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In post 101, Krazy wrote:So basically, top 4 coin ladies still get to pick their partners. *town does not pick for them*, but *town can by consensus reject a pairing*?

That is, top 4 ladies just have 1 extra step.

1. Dude offers
2. If Lady likes the dude, Lady asks, "who all scumreads this guy?"
3. If it's less than half the town, she accepts. She only rejects if more than half the town rejects the pairing

whereas the other 4 ladies are just like
1. Dude offers
2. Lady decides

something like that?
If we do this let the wealthy ones pick first for wider selection.
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Post Post #219 (isolation #14) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:28 am

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In post 106, Dannflor wrote:
In post 101, Krazy wrote:1. Dude offers
2. If Lady likes the dude, Lady asks, "who all scumreads this guy?"
3. If it's less than half the town, she accepts. She only rejects if more than half the town rejects the pairing
I like this quite a bit

No lynching after the first day also gets us down to an odd number of pairs after the NK, yea?
Why does odd number matter?
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In post 138, Ankamius wrote:How the fuck did you all make over 100 posts in the time it took me to write that
It's a long post.
Also are those just flavor text or informed by interactions with the players in the past?
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Post Post #239 (isolation #16) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:38 am

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In post 154, Vedith wrote:
In post 152, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Gamma no, you’re better than that. You’re going to allow this rogue to disrespect you like this?
Don't listen to her! You're not better than that!
waow
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Post Post #247 (isolation #17) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:41 am

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In post 181, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 172, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 15, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 8, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 6, Vedith wrote:
In post 4, Pink Ball wrote:Ew
I promised myself I wouldn't cry...
Plus there's still 7 more to move onto!
Girls don't want a guy that doesn't compromise and go for whoever takes him, you don't make us feel special.


If you like it you then should put a ring on it
+1

I’m not sure he actually cares, which lady he puts a ring on. :lol:


Spoiler:
He's like Sain from Fire Emblem
I have absolutely no idea who that is.
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In post 201, Allomancer wrote:also i just got a pagetop and i didnt realize it ^
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That was odd, site broke a little
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Post Post #262 (isolation #20) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:48 am

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In post 228, Dannflor wrote:
In post 219, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 106, Dannflor wrote:
In post 101, Krazy wrote:1. Dude offers
2. If Lady likes the dude, Lady asks, "who all scumreads this guy?"
3. If it's less than half the town, she accepts. She only rejects if more than half the town rejects the pairing
I like this quite a bit

No lynching after the first day also gets us down to an odd number of pairs after the NK, yea?
Why does odd number matter?
I was thinking of a normal day/night cycle in which an odd number is statistically better. I derped, that doesn’t apply here because the game is nightless
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In post 235, Firebringer wrote:I am not ur parent, I am your grandparent. show some respect.
Grandparents are just there to spoil their grandkids imo
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In post 242, Ankamius wrote:
In post 233, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 138, Ankamius wrote:How the fuck did you all make over 100 posts in the time it took me to write that
It's a long post.
Also are those just flavor text or informed by interactions with the players in the past?
A couple of them

Most of it is made up
Okay
How made up was mine?
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In post 268, Dannflor wrote:I’ll explain when I get home
Third time I've seen this, not a fan.
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Post Post #275 (isolation #24) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:54 am

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In post 270, Ankamius wrote:
In post 266, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 242, Ankamius wrote:
In post 233, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 138, Ankamius wrote:How the fuck did you all make over 100 posts in the time it took me to write that
It's a long post.
Also are those just flavor text or informed by interactions with the players in the past?
A couple of them

Most of it is made up
Okay
How made up was mine?
Yours was entirely made up

Any that aren't were from very recent stuff and we haven't interacted at all in a long while now
Don't think it has been that long?
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Post Post #724 (isolation #25) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:44 pm

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This game exploded.
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Post Post #732 (isolation #26) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:48 pm

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In post 313, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 303, Alisae wrote:
In post 301, Firebringer wrote:welp Nancy is scum no 2.


we almost have solved the game
so far I am liking your solve
Because I’m not automatically juming aboard an Allo scumwagon?

I’m not convinced of it, so sue me. :roll:
That your only defense?
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Post Post #766 (isolation #27) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:57 pm

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In post 324, Firebringer wrote:
In post 314, Taly wrote:The unexplained vote tier; with FakeGod as a read and Dann without really engaging with him at all
ohh I forgot this too.

allo I don't think would put fake god in a readset as town. That is like bizzaro world here if he is town and is doing that.
I get the feeling Allo is that type of guy.
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Post Post #771 (isolation #28) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:59 pm

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In post 340, Firebringer wrote:
In post 336, Ankamius wrote:I think Taly tries harder to obvtown as scum in this situation

I don't think it's likely he's scum here
I don't think that's really true but tbh I don't think I have played with scum taly. I have only played with Taly I think when I was scum and he was town, and he was one of those people I was like "how can I form a real scumread on this player when they are acting in this way"
Actually that seems like it could mean something from Taly?
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In post 348, Firebringer wrote:
In post 347, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 332, Firebringer wrote:I am in the 90% certainty on Nancy and Allo being scum here. Someone try to change my mind!
I’m not sure about Allo but but your reads are probably wrong like they were last game, when you scumread duck who seemed really townie to me, remember that?
guess what, you can't bring up last round since its not a completed and fakegod told us not to talk about it.
I recall FG gave the go ahead to speak about it?
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I feel like everyone is ignoring me rn which concerns me
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Post Post #790 (isolation #31) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:06 pm

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In post 367, Krazy wrote:Still eating lunch and finishing up some laundry. I have a few responses to Gamma and Ank's concerns which I can go into later, but one thought did strike me I thought I'd drop out--if we lynch scum in pre-dance (with the one gent forced out), then we can play out first dance regularly.
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Post Post #805 (isolation #32) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:12 pm

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In post 401, Allomancer wrote:caught up to 350.
firebringer is vi town
nancy is null
Why VI specifically
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Post Post #812 (isolation #33) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:15 pm

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In post 410, Dannflor wrote:Nancy, what are your reads right now? Sorry if it's annoying for me to ask but I can't find it in your ISO and seeing some concise direct thoughts from you would help
what are the chances of that happening though? scum can always pair with each other if it seems one of them will be forced out
this is exactly why Vedith is town lol
Agree with top part, confused by the bottom.
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Post Post #815 (isolation #34) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:17 pm

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In post 431, Firebringer wrote:
In post 429, Allomancer wrote:you literally made a case against me because my posts in this game aren't like last game.
nope I didn't, saying you don't play like yourself. I read multiple games of yours during last game man.
I had to like cut myself while doing it because the pain of the knife was more pleasant than that, but i did that.
wow very edgy imo
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In post 819, Firebringer wrote:The situation is fine now. Nancy is leaving. We get someone new in and we can both analyze them. How about that?
What.
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Post Post #1317 (isolation #36) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:20 pm

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Could you not spam the thread
FOR FIVE MINUTES?
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Post Post #1774 (isolation #37) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:42 am

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This has officially bypassed what I'm capable of catching up with, go guys
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Post Post #1775 (isolation #38) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:45 am

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That was supposed to say "gj guys" but tbh I'm kinda whatever on pairing rn. I've got 6 coins though so I'll be a little choosy.
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Post Post #1778 (isolation #39) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:52 am

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In post 1662, Moment wrote:Sigh.

I really don't want to have this Nancy Drew scumread that I have.
Decided to ISO Moment because I remember 0 of their posts and I'm interested in this one. Why?
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Post Post #1797 (isolation #40) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:49 am

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In post 1783, RadiantCowbells wrote:This version of the setup favors scum a lot more than the old one
you mean the version run in Witches Ball and before right?
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Post Post #1830 (isolation #41) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:09 am

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Honestly I like the later IC reveal as long as no one craps it up before intermission.
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Because scum can't kill IC, so it lives until the pair is lynched/leaves or the game ends
...I did think of a way for scum to still screw things up. Should I share or no? I rate it Medium on the "random possibilities scum may have already thought up" scale (ratings are Common, Medium, and Rare; btw this is me applying a funny system to something that happens often).
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Post Post #1837 (isolation #43) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:24 am

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In post 1835, Vedith wrote:What's you're reads Gamma! \o/
Not sure beyond some feelings from before the spamfest (recall feeling you were town and Nancy was scum), but I intend to fix that.
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Post Post #1840 (isolation #44) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:32 am

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In post 1838, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1837, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1835, Vedith wrote:What's you're reads Gamma! \o/
Not sure beyond some feelings from before the spamfest (recall feeling you were town and Nancy was scum), but I intend to fix that.
???
Didn't like your one-track defense.
In post 1839, Vedith wrote:
In post 1837, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1835, Vedith wrote:What's you're reads Gamma! \o/
Not sure beyond some feelings from before the spamfest (recall feeling you were town and Nancy was scum), but I intend to fix that.
Are you caught up int the game or just skimmed it?
I read as much as I could in full and then skipped to the present when I gave up.
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I feel like your only defense for a long time was "I'm being scumread for asking 'why Ank'"
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Post Post #1905 (isolation #46) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:10 pm

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In post 1845, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1843, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like your only defense for a long time was "I'm being scumread for asking 'why Ank'"
Why
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That's NOT what I meant. I meant you were asking why Fire and Co. were scumreading Ank, you got blowback for that, and you challenged that as insufficient reason to scumread you (not directly from what I saw but rather implicitly).
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Post Post #1906 (isolation #47) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:13 pm

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In post 1847, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1833, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because scum can't kill IC, so it lives until the pair is lynched/leaves or the game ends
...I did think of a way for scum to still screw things up. Should I share or no? I rate it Medium on the "random possibilities scum may have already thought up" scale (ratings are Common, Medium, and Rare; btw this is me applying a funny system to something that happens often).
In post 1836, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1833, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because scum can't kill IC, so it lives until the pair is lynched/leaves or the game ends
...I did think of a way for scum to still screw things up. Should I share or no? I rate it Medium on the "random possibilities scum may have already thought up" scale (ratings are Common, Medium, and Rare; btw this is me applying a funny system to something that happens often).
Yes, share. I don’t understand how this setup, is good for town at all.
Why haven’t you answered this yet?

I still don’t understand how this setup is beneficial to town.
I wouldn't say it's better, but at worst it's not as bad as you guys seem to be saying.
As for the thing I thought of, scum could IC the dance partner of their scummiest, leave, and then town would be fucked.
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Post Post #1912 (isolation #48) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:29 pm

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In post 1848, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1837, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1835, Vedith wrote:What's you're reads Gamma! \o/
Not sure beyond some feelings from before the spamfest (recall feeling you were town and Nancy was scum), but I intend to fix that.
In post 1843, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like your only defense for a long time was "I'm being scumread for asking 'why Ank'"
Any reads on anyone other than me?
Did you not see me commenting I felt Vedith was town earlier in that post?
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Post Post #1924 (isolation #49) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:00 pm

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In post 1907, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1905, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1845, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1843, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like your only defense for a long time was "I'm being scumread for asking 'why Ank'"
Why
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That's NOT what I meant. I meant you were asking why Fire and Co. were scumreading Ank, you got blowback for that, and you challenged that as insufficient reason to scumread you (not directly from what I saw but rather implicitly).
People scumread me, for asking why people were scumreading Ank? *confused*.
You seemed to be construing it that way.
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Post Post #1933 (isolation #50) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:17 pm

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In post 1927, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1924, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1907, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1905, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1845, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1843, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like your only defense for a long time was "I'm being scumread for asking 'why Ank'"
Why
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That's NOT what I meant. I meant you were asking why Fire and Co. were scumreading Ank, you got blowback for that, and you challenged that as insufficient reason to scumread you (not directly from what I saw but rather implicitly).
People scumread me, for asking why people were scumreading Ank? *confused*.
You seemed to be construing it that way.
Can you link or quote some of my posts then, because I don’t recall singling out Ank out that way?

Also, any other reads then me, Vedith?
You weren't singling out Ank??? At least not in the sense I'd call "singling out". I can find quotes of what I mean though.

I get that Town!you has a bit of an authority complex (sorry if this hurts but I gotta be honest here) but this is less "authority complex" and more "being obtuse".
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As for other reads I get a feeling Dr. Worm could be town just from cursory viewing of his (I want to write its here). I feel like I can read his posting given time anyway. One of my very few gambits came from having a solid townread on a slot that has someone kinda like Dr. Worm in it before.
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Authority complex = you seem to get it into your head that you are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong.

As for obtuseness that wouldn't be a problem if you didn't sidetrack the argument into things it isn't several times.
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Post Post #1945 (isolation #53) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:45 pm

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Like TheBrie as town. Sifted through several of her posts and they're consistently thoughtful and have towny consideration in them.
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Post Post #2063 (isolation #54) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:55 pm

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In post 1968, PvtUrist wrote:Here's my ISO from a skim;

-Fluff intro
-Redundent readlist
-More fluff
-Accusation vs Dann that's yet to be backed
-More fluff
-More fluff

so, I'll be needing to play better
Why did you post this?
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Post Post #2064 (isolation #55) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:55 pm

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Like the last line I get
The rest of it; why???
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Post Post #2066 (isolation #56) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:00 pm

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In post 1997, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1951, Allomancer wrote:well me, pvt, and dt are all town so there's that
yo maybe this is the scum team
That isn’t possible. They can’t all be all gents or all ladies. I’m assuming that since we have 9 gents to 8 ladies, probably 2 gents and 1 lady?
This isn't true??? I don't think it's too important rn anyways, whilst I'm still working on reads like I am
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Post Post #2136 (isolation #57) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:50 am

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In post 2052, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2048, Krazy wrote:
In post 2046, RadiantCowbells wrote:i'm taking the day off because of rough irl circumstances pls don't pair before I can play tomorrow!
stop standing in the way of our love :P
You can’t play for the same team. :lol:
My stupid ass thought this was calling them opposite alignments
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Post Post #2142 (isolation #58) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:32 am

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In post 2074, Moment wrote:Felt like catching up from where I posted last time in-between reading back.

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In post 1679, Ankamius wrote:Am I weird for still kinda not wanting to partner up at all still
Explain to me why, again? From my relatively non-caught-up uninformed perspective, it seems you'd just be doing what Karmeleon did in Witches' Halloween Ball, not pairing out of some kind of principle, losing town out on a pairing.

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In post 1662, Moment wrote:Sigh.

I really don't want to have this Nancy Drew scumread that I have.
I have not so fond memories of you hard tunneling me in Minuet.
I'm going to copy exactly what I wrote about this subject in Forgotten Hourglass here and kindly request that you never again imply that I tunneled you in that game.

Spoiler:
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In post 638, Moment wrote:
In post 633, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Well, you were beyond convinced I was scum in Minuet. I’m not comfortable lynching there yet. I liked her comments about the Mylo wagon because she’s right about that.
1) No, I wasn't.

2) Using that as a reason to not believe me here is a logical fallacy.

3) Scum can be right about something just as easily as town can.
I actually want to expand on this because - and I really mean you no offense - Nancy is so wrong that it deserves far more words devoted to the subject.

1) No, I wasn't "beyond convinced" that you were scum in Minuet's trio. In fact, multiple times I expressed the opinion that, although I was not yet convinced that you were as town as others seemed to believe, I was more than willing to look elsewhere because there were scumreads that I were more confident on. This isn't an argument. It's not something that you can
possibly
dispute. It's literally the words that I wrote.

Speaking of those scumreads that I was more confident on, one of them happened to be Ginngie; so
even if
the idea that my reads from Minuet's Trio were reason to disregard my logic in this game, you're ignoring my reads that were
correct.


2) Your response to my entire line of reasoning was "well, you were wrong here". This is a logical fallacy. That's not to say that I'm entirely disregarding the concept of looking at someone's long-run read accuracy; however, not only is that not what you're doing, but on a case-by-case basis that wouldn't even apply here, especially given your massive sample size of one game (one game that, I might add, you selectively choose a misrepresented incorrect read from while ignoring a correct one).

If you want to directly refute what I said regarding Maria's pocketing of you, I would love that. If you want to just say "eh, I'm not convinced", I wouldn't really enjoy that, but on some level I could still understand it. Please don't insult me by responding to me with something like this.

3) This part doesn't really need that many words; if you think that agreeing with someone on a comment like "policy lynches are bad", an obvious comment on a wagon that's destined to go nowhere, or something to the same effect is a reason to townread someone - well then, perhaps you aren't so difficult to pocket as you think.


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I am starting to think it's better to have 2 ladies sit out than to deal with risking vedith being scum or a yolobomber

It cuts the first dance still, but it is a lot less risk and it's easier to plan around than just no lynching and trying to solve the game with the 4 extra players since we can force a large group of scummy and useless players to leave
I'm not sure I agree with the principle of this. Does it make sense to completely avoid a mechanic simply because of the chance of the worst case scenario occurring?

In any case, I somewhat doubt that 2 ladies would even agree to sit out, apart from yourself obviously. If they did up until the end, it would almost certainly indicate that they were town in the first place, anyways. Is it worth it to kill two near-assuredly town ladies and three unknown gentlemen simply to avoid the worst case scenario?

Would it even make a difference between that number of people sitting out and scum quicklynching, in terms of the number of people dead?
I think you missed my question.
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Post Post #2143 (isolation #59) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:33 am

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In post 1778, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1662, Moment wrote:Sigh.

I really don't want to have this Nancy Drew scumread that I have.
Decided to ISO Moment because I remember 0 of their posts and I'm interested in this one. Why?
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Post Post #2145 (isolation #60) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:36 am

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In post 2132, PvtUrist wrote:
Spoiler: 2086
In post 2086, Something_Smart wrote:I am a beautiful lady :D

However, it is hard to follow Alisae... I definitely won't do eir slot justice. But I will try my best :]

Spoiler: 2089
In post 2089, Something_Smart wrote:However, what I won't do is read 83 pages. I'm usually fine going forward on replacing in, but my catchup reads are trash. I bet I'll do better keeping a clear head and an open mind.

Spoiler: 2091
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In post 2087, Krazy wrote:Hi Something_Smart!

your predecessor claimed miller before she replaced out, would you like to confirm that roleclaim?
Oh really, Alisae only claimed the miller part? I'm actually a deathproof miller survivor dayvig. :shifty:

(And more importantly, I read open setups before replacing into them :P)

Spoiler: 2103
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In post 2097, Krazy wrote:momentum
*rimshot*

Also, I've been thinking. Scum get to make someone an IC. It would help immensely if they couldn't pick someone everyone already knew was town. So it's probably not a good idea to be very vocal about your townreads. Hmm, if only there were some other thread you could post them in... :thonk:

So, yeah. Whoever dances with me, this is what we are going to be talking about. Ideally, I'd like it to be someone who also prefers townhunting to scumhunting.

FB, which one of these posts felt town to you?
this is very good questioning methods
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Post Post #2152 (isolation #61) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:43 am

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In post 2149, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2145, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2132, PvtUrist wrote:
Spoiler: 2086
In post 2086, Something_Smart wrote:I am a beautiful lady :D

However, it is hard to follow Alisae... I definitely won't do eir slot justice. But I will try my best :]

Spoiler: 2089
In post 2089, Something_Smart wrote:However, what I won't do is read 83 pages. I'm usually fine going forward on replacing in, but my catchup reads are trash. I bet I'll do better keeping a clear head and an open mind.

Spoiler: 2091
In post 2091, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2087, Krazy wrote:Hi Something_Smart!

your predecessor claimed miller before she replaced out, would you like to confirm that roleclaim?
Oh really, Alisae only claimed the miller part? I'm actually a deathproof miller survivor dayvig. :shifty:

(And more importantly, I read open setups before replacing into them :P)

Spoiler: 2103
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In post 2097, Krazy wrote:momentum
*rimshot*

Also, I've been thinking. Scum get to make someone an IC. It would help immensely if they couldn't pick someone everyone already knew was town. So it's probably not a good idea to be very vocal about your townreads. Hmm, if only there were some other thread you could post them in... :thonk:

So, yeah. Whoever dances with me, this is what we are going to be talking about. Ideally, I'd like it to be someone who also prefers townhunting to scumhunting.

FB, which one of these posts felt town to you?
this is very good questioning methods
It makes the bizarre assumption that Fire's read is based on my posts and not on Alisae's.
Hadn't cinsidered that but I think Urist's thinking makes sense. His post on the page after the one this was on is wtf though.
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Post Post #2158 (isolation #62) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:52 am

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In post 2154, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2066, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2020, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1997, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1951, Allomancer wrote:well me, pvt, and dt are all town so there's that
yo maybe this is the scum team
That isn’t possible. They can’t all be all gents or all ladies. I’m assuming that since we have 9 gents to 8 ladies, probably 2 gents and 1 lady?
This isn't true??? I don't think it's too important rn anyways, whilst I'm still working on reads like I am
What isn’t true? The scumteam can’t all be ladies or all gents and with a 9-8 ratio of gents-ladies, don’t you think 2 scum gents-1 scum lady, makes the most sense?
I mean the "all can't be one gender" thing. Pretty sure in past games FG has said it's possible.
I think Firebringer has the best track record of being in them so Fire can you back me up?
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Post Post #2210 (isolation #63) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:49 am

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Krazy what are your reads rn and why? I want all of them and substantial explanation.
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Post Post #2231 (isolation #64) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:01 am

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In post 2219, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2158, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2154, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2066, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2020, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1997, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1951, Allomancer wrote:well me, pvt, and dt are all town so there's that
yo maybe this is the scum team
That isn’t possible. They can’t all be all gents or all ladies. I’m assuming that since we have 9 gents to 8 ladies, probably 2 gents and 1 lady?
This isn't true??? I don't think it's too important rn anyways, whilst I'm still working on reads like I am
What isn’t true? The scumteam can’t all be ladies or all gents and with a 9-8 ratio of gents-ladies, don’t you think 2 scum gents-1 scum lady, makes the most sense?
I mean the "all can't be one gender" thing. Pretty sure in past games FG has said it's possible.
I think Firebringer has the best track record of being in them so Fire can you back me up?
I wasn’t talking about actual gender but are you saying that you really think the scumteam could be either all ladies or all gents?

Beacause I don’t think that’s ever happened before in this kind of setup.
Yeah I don't think it's happened but I don't think it's impossible.
@Krazy reads are coming along, could you repost your read list so I can digest it?
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Post Post #3197 (isolation #65) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:52 pm

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In post 2242, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2189, Firebringer wrote:has anyone read PinkBalls iso this game and just gone "wow this is a good read. 10/10 funniest best posts in this game".
I was in agreement until I got to the part where he said he didn't like U2. :shifty:
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Post Post #3198 (isolation #66) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:53 pm

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Who is U2?
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Post Post #3217 (isolation #67) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:13 pm

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In post 3199, DoubtingThomas wrote:Gamma

why are you scum
The fuck?
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Post Post #3223 (isolation #68) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:17 pm

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And you bring this up now why, DT?
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Post Post #3226 (isolation #69) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:18 pm

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Also despite you having over 100 posts until now I haven't interacted with you at all. So you coming out with this feels like a massive crock of shit.
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Post Post #3228 (isolation #70) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:19 pm

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Like, I actually am calling you a flat out liar about you claiming to come on at the same time as me.
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Post Post #3239 (isolation #71) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:24 pm

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In post 3232, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 3228, Gamma Emerald wrote:Like, I actually am calling you a flat out liar about you claiming to come on at the same time as me.
how the fuck am i a liar?

i never fucking lie as either alignment

like as scum i would definitely scum read you for things i would scum read as town to begin with so i dont understand what you mean by calling me a liar lol
I understand people can think the same thoughts as both alignments. But I cannot for a second believe you're being truthful about when you've been active.

On a side note, fuck I wanted to pair with Krazy. I was trying to figure out a read list so I could determine Krazy's alignment before forming the PT so I could shitpost there.
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Post Post #3242 (isolation #72) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:27 pm

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In post 3198, Gamma Emerald wrote:Who is U2?
I think it was an abbreviation btw
DON'T USE THAT SO CARELESSLY AGAIN. IT'S SHORTHAND FOR A SPECIFIC PLAYER AND I GOT CONFUSED.
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Post Post #3247 (isolation #73) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:32 pm

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In post 3220, DoubtingThomas wrote: by some miracle you post whenever i am in the thread which is a rare occasion
Here is the lie. You say I post when you're in the thread, which SHOULD make the inverse true (you post when I'm in the thread). Despite this I remember 0 of your posting. So that does not compute.
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Post Post #3253 (isolation #74) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:34 pm

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I was a little shy @Krazy :oops:
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Post Post #3254 (isolation #75) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:36 pm

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In post 3251, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 3247, Gamma Emerald wrote:Here is the lie. You say I post when you're in the thread, which SHOULD make the inverse true (you post when I'm in the thread). Despite this I remember 0 of your posting. So that does not compute.
Not necessarily. Some people are really forgettable.
I agree but claiming something like that makes sirens blare for me.
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Post Post #3259 (isolation #76) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:40 pm

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In post 1319, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 1317, Gamma Emerald wrote:Could you not spam the thread
FOR FIVE MINUTES?
scummy
In post 3156, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 3154, Krazy wrote:Your remaining options are TheBrie, Gamma Emerlad, and Something_Smart

Do you have strong reads are any of the three?
i dont even remember reading something_smart

i dont think i liked gamma's pop ins like 3 / 3 times ive read her posts but i only read 3 of her posts lol

TheBrie uhhhhh i read her posts but then i forgot what they were about

i think if i see her avatar i can remember the general vibe ive gotten from her previously
In post 3191, DoubtingThomas wrote:wheres gamma
All direct mentions before this interaction. Its consistent with the story, but I still fail to understand how one can claim to be in the thread so close to when I am and miss me entirely. Missed Him By That Much is beyond my Willing Suspension of Disbelief.
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Post Post #3260 (isolation #77) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:42 pm

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In post 3257, Krazy wrote:Gamma who should be your beau?
Well I'm not pairing with DT lol. Dr. Worm would have been a good second imo but that's also taken. Out of the rest I need to look over Moment, Allo maybe, and Urist I guess I'd be okay with.
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Post Post #3262 (isolation #78) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:59 pm

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In post 3261, Krazy wrote:Well some people were talking about leaving Allo out of the dance so if you have a strong tr there you should convince us

I believe in you Gamma! Find at least one town in those three! Is Moment Town? Is Urist? Let's find out in this week's episode of -- Who is Gamma going to the dance with?
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Post Post #3263 (isolation #79) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:01 pm

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Moment you still haven't answered the question I asked you a while back.
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Post Post #3416 (isolation #80) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:22 pm

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In post 3288, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 3279, PvtUrist wrote:Here's my point;

If I can't convince people of my allignment, then I'll let my flip do so.
Problem is, my dear, you flipping town won't convince people of Dann's alignment. So please, don't talk like you're going to get lynched. I won't let them.
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Post Post #3417 (isolation #81) » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:26 pm

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In post 3400, RadiantCowbells wrote:like im concerned about potentially having a townie pairing LYNCHED

no lynch? sure leggo
In post 3401, RadiantCowbells wrote:like if anything i still thin ka power play is for everyone to NL as soon as they get into the thread
Wtf this is still being considered a good idea?
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Post Post #3426 (isolation #82) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:27 am

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In post 3281, Moment wrote:Muffins was right.


Anyways, skimmed a bit. I'm open to pairing with either SS or TheBrie, but seems like Me+TheBrie is a popular pairing. I'm up for it.

I would, however, like to know in advance who SS is pairing with. I think he's town, but if people are going to lynch him anyways I would like him paired with a scummier Gent.
Muffins? Is Zmuffinman in this games?
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Post Post #3551 (isolation #83) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:40 pm

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In post 3466, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3346, Krazy wrote:I'll leave first dance if RC promises to never sign up for another game where I'm already in the player list.
Yeah, that was it.

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

No, you’re not suiciding with bleeding obvtown Taly!

Wtf are you thinking here?

Why don’t we just hand scum the win? :roll:
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Post Post #3552 (isolation #84) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:41 pm

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In post 3470, Firebringer wrote:ohh okay that makes sense
Do you object to the read tho
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Post Post #3553 (isolation #85) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:46 pm

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In post 3522, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3503, Pink Ball wrote:Should we start making ship names for the couples? Like Ankowbells for example
I dunno, Kamikaze seems more apt.
Huh? Why?
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Post Post #3556 (isolation #86) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:52 pm

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In post 416, Allomancer wrote:
In post 383, Alisae wrote:
In post 381, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 350, Alisae wrote:
In post 132, Alisae wrote:
@Fakegod probably a dumb question but can we talk about the first run of this game?
In post 134, FakeGod wrote:
In post 132, Alisae wrote:
@Fakegod probably a dumb question but can we talk about the first run of this game?
Sure.
Exactly, Fire isn’t reading the damn game.
I have airpods in I can't hear you atm sry
shut up about the airpods ali and actually help us here.
ISOing Allo I kinda like this post
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In post 468, Allomancer wrote:dannflor, about your signature: were you scum?
I like this, where does it go though?
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Post Post #3592 (isolation #88) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:40 am

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In post 3584, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3582, RadiantCowbells wrote:I keep forgetting gamma was in this game it's probably not a good sign
Gamma has done essentially nothing, I haven't really seen any attempts to get caught up either, it's mostly just fluff
:igmeou:
I cannot understand how you see my posting as "mostly fluff", what?
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that's understandable and I did not object to that, though I would like to ask what you want from me rn
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Post Post #3596 (isolation #90) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:09 am

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I am townreading Allo most I think, but here's the thing: I actually want to pair with Moment because I feel like they're deliberately ignoring me, and being in a PT with them puts them right where I can grill them.
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Post Post #3598 (isolation #91) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:11 am

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And if Moment does anything shady I'll immediately leave.
PEdit: why? Do you NOT want me to get to be able to get what I want out of Moment?
Because if Moment pairs with anyone else and keeps ignoring me I'm deathtunneling that pair.
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Post Post #3608 (isolation #92) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:43 am

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I ISOed Dr. Worm and I don't get the feeling he's town. His loudness isn't helping any town carefree-ness shine through like the last guy I saw who posted like him. It's just noise.
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Post Post #3629 (isolation #93) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:11 am

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Honestly what the fuck do you people want because I've provided reads and tried to read what I could. If it's an engagement thing you can piss off because I'm not to blame for this game exploding.
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Post Post #3631 (isolation #94) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:12 am

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In post 3624, Taly wrote:I have thoughts on pairings as I've done some ISO skimming and references to my readnotes.

The thing is, the past 4 people speaking in this thread - 5 would include me - has all different levels of the same reads on the same group of people.

So I don't know if I should throw my thoughts in before
Moment/Urist/S_S/TheBrie
get into the thread?
What am I, chopped liver?
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Post Post #3637 (isolation #95) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:15 am

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In post 3634, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3629, Gamma Emerald wrote:Honestly what the fuck do you people want because I've provided reads and tried to read what I could. If it's an engagement thing you can piss off because I'm not to blame for this game exploding.
No I'm scumreading your recent posting because it reads like you're trying to get the most mileage you can out of what little you can get so your team has less of a hill to climb later in the game
It's called I'm trying to form reads after having to skip a ton of the game because you guys couldn't stop bickering for five minutes like a bunch of children.
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Post Post #3647 (isolation #96) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:24 am

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In post 3641, Taly wrote:
In post 3631, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3624, Taly wrote:I have thoughts on pairings as I've done some ISO skimming and references to my readnotes.

The thing is, the past 4 people speaking in this thread - 5 would include me - has all different levels of the same reads on the same group of people.

So I don't know if I should throw my thoughts in before
Moment/Urist/S_S/TheBrie
get into the thread?
What am I, chopped liver?
I mean, since you're already here, to imply that I'm ignoring you is false.

There's 4 potential people able to pair with you, and you're focusing on my post which doesn't directly address you.

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I do have reads. I suspect DT and Dr. Worm. Krazy, you, Urist, and Vedith are about what my town pool is rn. Nancy I'm pretty much at "begrudgingly town". Moment I want to stop ignoring me. I have reads, but they're certainly incomplete and there's a lot of circlejerking around the same slots which doesn't help. Which is why I think my presence is MOST important here, because I'm the one least entrenched in the circlejerk and can help promote original discussion.
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Post Post #3651 (isolation #97) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:29 am

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In post 3642, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3637, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3634, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3629, Gamma Emerald wrote:Honestly what the fuck do you people want because I've provided reads and tried to read what I could. If it's an engagement thing you can piss off because I'm not to blame for this game exploding.
No I'm scumreading your recent posting because it reads like you're trying to get the most mileage you can out of what little you can get so your team has less of a hill to climb later in the game
It's called I'm trying to form reads after having to skip a ton of the game because you guys couldn't stop bickering for five minutes like a bunch of children.
You essentially called the slot most likely to be compromise lynched scum, and then took the last widely townread unpaired gent and said that you wanted to sort and potentially leave them.

You understand how that looks, right?
Not really and I don't care for what I just said. I'm the one who's probably going to be challenging the most pre-conceptions here, so suppressing me is essentially saying "I'm in favor of groupthink". Is that what you think?
In post 3643, Krazy wrote:Gamma, just remember no one gets to decide who to accepts your pairing except you, and everyone right now wants you to get a pairing one way or the other.

If you don't like what unpaired people are saying about your slot just ignore it.

bai now
I'm in control of who I pair with yes. But I also want to be happy with my pairing and I'd be most satisfied by having a channel to têt-a-têt with Moment.
In post 3644, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 3602, Krazy wrote:
In post 3599, DoubtingThomas wrote:Gamma, are you town?
I'm curious why, from a town POV, you haven't offered Brie yet.

Still indifferent to Brie accepting or not, but I don't get what you are doing at this point
Brie doesn't town read me and prefers moment

I don't like gamma

I didn't really like SS and she is not really engaging thread.

I just wanna talk to people but like none of them are in the thread or respond to me lol
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Post Post #3653 (isolation #98) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:30 am

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Meant to respond to the last thing
OK, if that's how you feel, but I'm here right now and you were complaining about no one to talk to so...
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Post Post #3654 (isolation #99) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:32 am

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In post 3648, RadiantCowbells wrote:I've been right several times recently when everyone disagreed with me, even in a particular game where you did as well
Is this to me
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Post Post #3657 (isolation #100) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:34 am

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In post 3655, Ankamius wrote:I wish I stole moment for myself now
lol why?
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Post Post #3680 (isolation #101) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:37 am

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In post 3672, Ankamius wrote:Plus it would fix the problem we have currently
...
Okay. What pairings do you want amongst the remaining gents and ladies given you're saying this?
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Post Post #3681 (isolation #102) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:38 am

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I'm willing to talk fyi, but I'm not going to be dictated to.
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Post Post #3751 (isolation #103) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:16 pm

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In post 3684, RadiantCowbells wrote:dr worm kinda reminds me of moth/brainbomb
I've always thought of bb as more of the rational type tbh
That's not Dr. Worm at all.
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Post Post #3752 (isolation #104) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:20 pm

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In post 3710, Taly wrote::igmeou: ... I've rewritten this post maybe 3 times today so it feels like I've made concerns clear to you guys that haven't been addressed yet I haven't said anything... lol

With the lack of initiative with unpaired people at the moment
(or it could just be their scheduling)
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S_S
is the towniest unpaired person to me at the moment. Not a lot of posts strike me as town, but the ones that do, are things that I can't foresee scum saying in this gamestate.

I still want someone to speak to me about their
Moment
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Moment+S_S
sound like a good idea because their read progression on each other is town and I believe it's natural.

Krazy's
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Gamma
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DT+Brie
townreads are a bit less confident now but they're the only other current pairing right now that I think works.
I don't know if I'll advocate for this pairing, though.

Which would still leave
Urist, Allo, and Gamma
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Urist
is still scum to me since I can see my earlier listed townpoints be applicable to scum. I dislike how the thread has virtually brushed
Allo's
entire existence off, but I don't feel strongly about him any other way, and I don't want to push
Gamma
because his response today was a reason why I didn't want to plan or talk about pairs much at all anymore.

So there's my low-weight pairing suggestions.
Moment+S_S
at top ONLY if they consent, maybe
TheBrie+DT
and
Gamma+Allo or Urist
You want to talk with me about my perception of the game? Could you elaborate?
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Post Post #3754 (isolation #105) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:26 pm

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In post 3732, Dannflor wrote:i was indeed

the game was also like 7 years ago and I was 12, so take that how you will
12 huh, lol
...That makes us like the same age holy carp 0.o
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Post Post #3755 (isolation #106) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:28 pm

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In post 3753, DoubtingThomas wrote:gamma, talk to me. who are your scum reads?
I just wrote out a list of my reads. Not gonna repeat myself. How did you miss it, even?
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Post Post #3757 (isolation #107) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:35 pm

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Really? Who the hell asked you?
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Post Post #3872 (isolation #108) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:51 am

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In post 3775, RadiantCowbells wrote:like

you're doing town a favor by pairing SS either way
Meh I think Moment is scum at this point full stop. Pair them with whatever but I don't want them getting near endgame.
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Post Post #3873 (isolation #109) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:53 am

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In post 3802, Moment wrote:And yes Gamma, I was ignoring your question.
Yeah, fuck off scum.
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Post Post #3874 (isolation #110) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:55 am

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In post 3834, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3747, RadiantCowbells wrote:i feel the opposite

tbh i wouldn't mind if either of those pairing sgot left out
In post 3751, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3684, RadiantCowbells wrote:dr worm kinda reminds me of moth/brainbomb
I've always thought of bb as more of the rational type tbh
That's not Dr. Worm at all.
Actually, I see bb as a lot more inconsistent than Worm has been. Bb changes his reads/entire view on the gamestate constantly.
Doesn't make bb irrational. Ranmaru is a rational thinker but changes thinking a lot as town.
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Post Post #3875 (isolation #111) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:57 am

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In post 3849, FakeGod wrote:
In post 3819, TheBrie wrote:Well if I can...

Moment, I would be honoured to dance with you.


@Mod, is a gentleman ask one lady, then a second lady, can the first lady still accept? The offer wasn't withdrawn in this situation.
Yes.
MMMMMMM That's sketchy by TB
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Post Post #4066 (isolation #112) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:29 pm

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In post 3899, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3894, Krazy wrote:
In post 3892, Ankamius wrote:stuff
well now you've piqued my curiosity :lol:
That's all I can say about it lol
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Post Post #4077 (isolation #113) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:33 pm

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In post 3931, Krazy wrote:
In post 3926, Dr Worm wrote:
In post 3908, Vedith wrote:I can't see all 5 going through without pairing.
I mean, Gamma might literally not check the thread again before deadline, and afaik no one has offered there anyway

So it's more a question of S_S I guess. are there standing offers for that slot? if not then we can just ask remaining gents to not offer

I don't know if they'll agree with that but that would be the method to avoid a juke
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Post Post #4090 (isolation #114) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:46 pm

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In post 4078, Krazy wrote:Given there's standing offers for S_S, you can basically pair whoever whenever you want Gamma

there's like suggestions and stuff but it's pretty much w/e this point given there's pretty wide support for a d1 no lynch (unless everyone reading now skipped that page and wants to disagree now)
Well I don't want DT and Allo seems to be MiA so Urist will probably be who I'm taking to the dance.
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Post Post #4093 (isolation #115) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:48 pm

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In post 4079, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4062, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 4038, DoubtingThomas wrote:i am not gonna wake up in the morning 9:45 am EST

Something, wanna talk and determine to get paired up or not rn?
Well

What is your read on me?
I skimmed your ISO really quickly cuz i am busy

i should either sub the fuck out or just like let myself die or something but i like mafia too much and i have too much pride in me to just lose and hurt my alignment

I do not think you are mafia with gamma. just because it's unlikely both mafias are left alive til th eend without partners? it hink thats unlikely scenario.

from your iso i also see that moment asked both you and brie out? and you were insisting that you wait for moment to choose between you two but brie hurriedly accepted?

i think your 'pissed off' emotion that was pretty pure. i think if you are scum you dont try to 'wait on moment to choose between you two'

or get mad at brie for accepting withotu asking

and then u shifted ur town read on gents a lot. from allo to pvt? and pvt asked u out an du still havent accepted?

not sure about gamma, but you hesitating on accepting gents' dance requests = >rand town

i think your tone when you are dealing with it is definitely more town being wary of who to choose rather than scum trying to wait out and see who to dance with when time is ticking

i called couple of ur posts to be 'scummy' if you recall. i think the way you handled it was some indifference.

i called gamma out for the same thing if you read my iso. i treated both of you pretty similarly, but gamma started raging and got mad at me over nothing. i think your treatment of me is a more townie one out of the two. i also further think gamma has more wolfy posts than you. i like your townie tone and attitude towards accepting partners and trying to handle pre-dance situation. i am confused at gamma constantly complaining bout how she wants to dance with krazy and then moment but they are taken or somehting.

i think only one of you is scum. i think you are far more townier than gamma. i think EVEN if gamma is town and you are wolf, gamma is just going to be annoying and worthless in the PT complaining about krazy. i might get more info out of PT'ing with you. i think you are independently more townie than gamma. i think you want to solve me. out of you and gamma, i prefer you 1000%
Why would I complain about failing to pair with Krazy? That was my lack of initiative, I have no room to complain. I'm sure I'd bitch about something but not that.
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Post Post #4100 (isolation #116) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:51 pm

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In post 4084, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4066, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3899, Ankamius wrote:
In post 3894, Krazy wrote:
In post 3892, Ankamius wrote:stuff
well now you've piqued my curiosity :lol:
That's all I can say about it lol
I probably know but I'll leave it.
hey do you want to be useful?

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Post Post #4102 (isolation #117) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:52 pm

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In post 4095, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4093, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4079, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4062, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 4038, DoubtingThomas wrote:i am not gonna wake up in the morning 9:45 am EST

Something, wanna talk and determine to get paired up or not rn?
Well

What is your read on me?
I skimmed your ISO really quickly cuz i am busy

i should either sub the fuck out or just like let myself die or something but i like mafia too much and i have too much pride in me to just lose and hurt my alignment

I do not think you are mafia with gamma. just because it's unlikely both mafias are left alive til th eend without partners? it hink thats unlikely scenario.

from your iso i also see that moment asked both you and brie out? and you were insisting that you wait for moment to choose between you two but brie hurriedly accepted?

i think your 'pissed off' emotion that was pretty pure. i think if you are scum you dont try to 'wait on moment to choose between you two'

or get mad at brie for accepting withotu asking

and then u shifted ur town read on gents a lot. from allo to pvt? and pvt asked u out an du still havent accepted?

not sure about gamma, but you hesitating on accepting gents' dance requests = >rand town

i think your tone when you are dealing with it is definitely more town being wary of who to choose rather than scum trying to wait out and see who to dance with when time is ticking

i called couple of ur posts to be 'scummy' if you recall. i think the way you handled it was some indifference.

i called gamma out for the same thing if you read my iso. i treated both of you pretty similarly, but gamma started raging and got mad at me over nothing. i think your treatment of me is a more townie one out of the two. i also further think gamma has more wolfy posts than you. i like your townie tone and attitude towards accepting partners and trying to handle pre-dance situation. i am confused at gamma constantly complaining bout how she wants to dance with krazy and then moment but they are taken or somehting.

i think only one of you is scum. i think you are far more townier than gamma. i think EVEN if gamma is town and you are wolf, gamma is just going to be annoying and worthless in the PT complaining about krazy. i might get more info out of PT'ing with you. i think you are independently more townie than gamma. i think you want to solve me. out of you and gamma, i prefer you 1000%
Why would I complain about failing to pair with Krazy? That was my lack of initiative, I have no room to complain. I'm sure I'd bitch about something but not that.
you complained about someone being taken

i thought it was taly's partner, krazy?
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In post 4104, Krazy wrote:Gamma I didn't want to dance with you for a similar reason to why I didn't want to dance with Nancy. We can talk about it dance 2 if you we're not dead, otherwise in post.
First I've heard of this I think?
Also DT can you explain why you'd rather pair with me over letting us both go? I'm in agreement with RC the game's about eliminating scum, not saving town. So talk about your read on me?
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Post Post #4111 (isolation #119) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:57 pm

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In post 4107, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4106, RadiantCowbells wrote:you could have efforted at any point this game but you chose not to
whats that even mean

i am a busy boi
I actually support this tbh because DT was out for the beginning I am certain, so he's not responsible for the spamfest. Don't blame others for not trying because you couldn't shut up.
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Post Post #4114 (isolation #120) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:58 pm

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In post 4110, RadiantCowbells wrote:go to mafsilver mafblack is awful
Or mafSepia though I like Silver over that (Black is my go to though as I'm a dark mode boi)
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Post Post #4115 (isolation #121) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:00 pm

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In post 4112, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4108, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4104, Krazy wrote:Gamma I didn't want to dance with you for a similar reason to why I didn't want to dance with Nancy. We can talk about it dance 2 if you we're not dead, otherwise in post.
First I've heard of this I think?
Also DT can you explain why you'd rather pair with me over letting us both go? I'm in agreement with RC the game's about eliminating scum, not saving town. So talk about your read on me?
i think you are scum but there's no harm in staying in the game longer for me because i am a +EV town.

i feel like even if you are scum, i can wreck you in lover PT and get some good spew and help solve the game. there is that lesser chance you are town, too, which may be nice for me than letting myself die

what kinda question is this?
This question is a values check. I'm seeing what your philosophy is here and whether your mindset is scummy or towny. I guess the PT spew thing is sensible but why do you consider yourself +EV town? I know why I do, but why do you?
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I'm not pairing with DT unless he explains what makes him consider himself strong as town.
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In post 4122, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4120, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm not pairing with DT unless he explains what makes him consider himself strong as town.
I am good at this game
It's not as important now as I'm not trying to pre-screen you, but examples?
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Post Post #4138 (isolation #124) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:28 pm

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In post 4125, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4124, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4122, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4120, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm not pairing with DT unless he explains what makes him consider himself strong as town.
I am good at this game
It's not as important now as I'm not trying to pre-screen you, but examples?
Ok so I need to prove why I think I am good at this game?

I mean my reads have steadily improved game after game. I am getting better at finding wolves

I have mislynch rate of about like 5% in all games in my entire career as either alignment

Idk what I can say
I guess I'll take your word for it at this point but that also puts a Burden of Proficiency on you and getting me wrong doesn't help that, though I guess I can laud your efforts to reach out to change things.
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Post Post #4140 (isolation #125) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:30 pm

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In post 4136, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4134, RadiantCowbells wrote:in both cases i ended up on villas because said villas made it impossible for me to do anything else when my primary scumreasd were wolves
i dont care who started it. the result was a thunderdome between you and another townie. that made it difficult for me to read and play "well" (opposite of "bad") because it had a similar effect as to when "villas made it impossible for you to do anything else"

the thread became a mess

i could have played better, sure, by voting correctly, but the shitfest didn't help
So what I'm seeing is: RC did the thing to you, that the initial TvT did to RC.
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Post Post #4163 (isolation #126) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:48 pm

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In post 4030, RadiantCowbells wrote:i kinda want gamma to just get left out cuz they're not playing anyway

of the remaining gents i don't really especially want any of them to live soo :shrug:
Yeah piss off you spam lord. You want me to play, don't make it a fucking challenge to do so. I'm working with what I've got and if you aren't happy with it change your actions so it doesn't happen again.
And I'm aware it's not all on RC but he's blaming me for it so I'm firing back in kind.
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Post Post #4168 (isolation #127) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:52 pm

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In post 4143, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4138, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4125, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4124, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4122, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4120, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm not pairing with DT unless he explains what makes him consider himself strong as town.
I am good at this game
It's not as important now as I'm not trying to pre-screen you, but examples?
Ok so I need to prove why I think I am good at this game?

I mean my reads have steadily improved game after game. I am getting better at finding wolves

I have mislynch rate of about like 5% in all games in my entire career as either alignment

Idk what I can say
I guess I'll take your word for it at this point but that also puts a Burden of Proficiency on you and getting me wrong doesn't help that, though I guess I can laud your efforts to reach out to change things.
i mean even if i suck ass i am not gonna say, "hey i suck at this game so when you get into a PT with me I am gonna suck so bad and bring our couple down :("

presenting confidence, even if it may be a little undeserved, is important in a game of mafia with online strangers, imo
Understandable. Though your response after my changing tune tells me you actually believe your hype at least a little.
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Post Post #4174 (isolation #128) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:55 pm

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In post 4166, RadiantCowbells wrote:i don't have the ability to just ignore it. i've tried.

and gamma, i'm not the one spamming lol, i'm fourth highest posts.
Well you're the one who wants me dead for not being active enough after all that happened. So pardon me for getting upset when you won't understand my position that I feel is completely reasonable.
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Post Post #4175 (isolation #129) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:57 pm

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In post 4172, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4168, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4143, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4138, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4125, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4124, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4122, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4120, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm not pairing with DT unless he explains what makes him consider himself strong as town.
I am good at this game
It's not as important now as I'm not trying to pre-screen you, but examples?
Ok so I need to prove why I think I am good at this game?

I mean my reads have steadily improved game after game. I am getting better at finding wolves

I have mislynch rate of about like 5% in all games in my entire career as either alignment

Idk what I can say
I guess I'll take your word for it at this point but that also puts a Burden of Proficiency on you and getting me wrong doesn't help that, though I guess I can laud your efforts to reach out to change things.
i mean even if i suck ass i am not gonna say, "hey i suck at this game so when you get into a PT with me I am gonna suck so bad and bring our couple down :("

presenting confidence, even if it may be a little undeserved, is important in a game of mafia with online strangers, imo
Understandable. Though your response after my changing tune tells me you actually believe your hype at least a little.
I absolutely do know I hype myself up. I do it on purpose. People who 'coached' me before pointed that out to me and told me countless times to be "less confident" with my reads

I kinda like this trait. I am actually pretty reserved in real life. I like the fact that I can be a different me in mafia, and I like to swing it around when I can.
Tbh Mafia is good practice for irl social skills in general.
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Post Post #4193 (isolation #130) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:05 pm

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In post 4188, DoubtingThomas wrote:so how does the voting work?

there's 1-8 coins so maj is just 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8 = 36, 19/36 votes? is that how it works

SS, did you out how many coins you had
No it's based on living numbers. So with 14 alive its 8 to lynch meaning Vedith!scum can just kill a pair.
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Post Post #4241 (isolation #131) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:30 pm

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In post 4225, PvtUrist wrote:
Formal dance invitation to teh Gamma
Acknowledging I have seen this. Want to talk a little first though. Pvt, I'm already town reading you (though the read was formed a while a go so it could go with review), so I want to hear some thoughts from you about reads and/or the gamestate.
Btw I did some background checking and Allo does post in the early morning (my time), which means he could respond in time. But I would rather stay up late than get up early so Urist is looking like my choice.
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Post Post #4247 (isolation #132) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:34 pm

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In post 4243, Ankamius wrote:just as an example, my last two times playing with RC before this game were

a. correctly locktowning him within 10-20 pages
b. not having really any read of him in the time he was in the game; his successor was a townread until the slot was confscummed though
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Post Post #4252 (isolation #133) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:36 pm

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I addressed it DT.
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Post Post #4260 (isolation #134) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:43 pm

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Yeah Urist is gone for now
I think I'll accept but my question still stands and I'm gonna have to inquire into the circumstances of that request as well.
I accept Urist's dance request
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Post Post #4267 (isolation #135) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:48 pm

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In post 4265, Pink Ball wrote:A poem* shitty phone
Ah. Maybe, I did manage to rhyme for most of when I was in Any Rapper UPick
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Post Post #4271 (isolation #136) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:50 pm

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In post 4270, DoubtingThomas wrote:how do i use mafia sepid? or mafia silver
Go into User Control Panel > User Preferences > there should be a thing that says theme and a selection menu
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Board preferences not user preferences
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Interesting given I was stated to be first lynch. Is there anything beyond WiFoM that would explain that selection?
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That does help me with not having to sort my partner, now I can just jam out reads
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Post Post #4312 (isolation #140) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:32 pm

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In post 4310, Dannflor wrote:
In post 4303, Gamma Emerald wrote:Interesting given I was stated to be first lynch. Is there anything beyond WiFoM that would explain that selection?
Were you stated to be the first lynch?

It throws suspicion on me first of all, especially as someone stated yesterday that they thought me vs. PvT was SvT.

Also, if you're scum, it makes you safer or at least forces town to get rid of their IC to get rid of you.

The NK makes sense. RC/Ank had become pretty much universally town read and Krazy and I both have a decent amount of paranoia directed towards us
Missed the bit about you vs. Pvt being SvT from whomever it was, then. And I think it was SS and a few others saying I was the first lynch unless something changed.
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In post 4307, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4305, Gamma Emerald wrote:That does help me with not having to sort my partner, now I can just jam out reads
bad post is bad
Also, how?
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Post Post #4319 (isolation #142) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:48 pm

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Vedith - Firebringer
RadiantCowbells - Ankamius

Dr Worm - Pink Ball
Krazy - Taly
Dannflor - Nancy Drew 39
Moment - TheBrie
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Post Post #4326 (isolation #143) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:11 pm

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Tfw you write a sonnet about a mafia game
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Post Post #4328 (isolation #144) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:28 pm

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Krazy is also a town powerhouse. Given that someone with experience in that department might be scum.
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Post Post #4329 (isolation #145) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:31 pm

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Krazy were you strong town before you left the site for a while? I want to know if that might be worth searching.
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Post Post #4333 (isolation #146) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:45 pm

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Thanks
Btw I wrote this out in my PT with Pvt expecting to have some work to do on it and not wanting to post too much in the main thread with my ramblings but I think this is a good base so my reads rn are

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Townreads
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Weaker townreads
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Suspicious person
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My top scumreads
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FYI each set IS ordered by towniest at the top except weaker townreads, which is ordered by recency because recency affects my confidence there.
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Fire is low because I had the thought that maybe he was careless with pairing because he's scum and doesn't need to worry as much. Vedith is high because I feel like this posting style trends more towards town for him. Krazy and Vedith also share a tier which I feel is a sign I might be onto something. As for Moment it's pretty much "where the fuck is town motivation in dodging my question?"
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Post Post #4392 (isolation #148) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:32 am

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In post 4343, Krazy wrote:You're saying Fire didn't use your PT for shitposting at all?
This is curious indeed, I'd expect a little from him at least. Dis he say why he wasn't shitposting, Vedith?
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Post Post #4394 (isolation #149) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:35 am

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In post 4347, Vedith wrote:
In post 4345, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 4340, Vedith wrote:Gamma doesn't say connected.
In post 4337, Gamma Emerald wrote:Krazy and Vedith also share a tier which I feel is a sign I might be onto something.
I guess I read that differently to you.
There COULD be a connection. At this point all I know is Vedith and Krazy, who both are generally suspected, share a tier as my townreads.
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Post Post #4397 (isolation #150) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:50 am

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In post 4351, Taly wrote:
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Why is
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Thoughts on
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Nancy is lower because I only really had her as weak town before and like I am gonna read that gargantuan ISO. Dann is lower because my townread on him is newer and hasn't been looked over for sanity yet.
SS-DT is my number 2 pair in my lynch order (TB-moment being number 1 and PB-Dr. Worm being number 3).
I recall being asked about my DT read so here goes. It's essentially just a collection of pings that form a read. I don't like how they interacted with me, I don't like their mindset for pairing, and I'm still on the fence about their "I am an asset to town" bluster.
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Post Post #4404 (isolation #151) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:06 am

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Btw I want everyone to throw out a vote in their next post, just so we have some momentum.
VOTE: TheBrie
I intended to do this as soon as I posted my reads fyi
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Post Post #4410 (isolation #152) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:21 am

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In post 4405, Something_Smart wrote:Why are you ignoring RC's reads?
Because mine have felt on point so far.
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Post Post #4417 (isolation #153) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:33 am

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In post 4412, Taly wrote:
In post 4404, Gamma Emerald wrote:Btw I want everyone to throw out a vote in their next post, just so we have some momentum.
VOTE: TheBrie
I intended to do this as soon as I posted my reads fyi
Walk me through your
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read. I'm not feeling much about them yet.
The way TB paired was immensely sketchy. Moment I don't like how they blatantly dodged my question.
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Post Post #4469 (isolation #154) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:59 am

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In post 4333, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thanks
Btw I wrote this out in my PT with Pvt expecting to have some work to do on it and not wanting to post too much in the main thread with my ramblings but I think this is a good base so my reads rn are

Locktown
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Taly

Townreads
Krazy
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Weaker townreads
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Shades of null
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Suspicious person
Moment

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Dr. Worm
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FYI each set IS ordered by towniest at the top except weaker townreads, which is ordered by recency because recency affects my confidence there.
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Post Post #4477 (isolation #155) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:40 pm

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In post 4471, Vedith wrote:
In post 4469, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Vedith
Overall I think we're onto some sort of same page. just I'm left handed and you're right handed.
Have no idea what this means but okay
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Post Post #4478 (isolation #156) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:41 pm

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In post 4472, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 4471, Vedith wrote:
In post 4469, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Vedith
Overall I think we're onto some sort of same page. just I'm left handed and you're right handed.
Okay, Vedith, Gamma, why is Worm scum?
Don't think his posting demonstrates significant sincere towniness, it's just rummage.
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Post Post #4479 (isolation #157) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:43 pm

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Like I agree with what Vedith is saying but I think that logic itself makes Dr. Worm scum.
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Post Post #4504 (isolation #158) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:24 pm

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Why now specifically?
Also VOTE: TheBrie, still want this.
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Post Post #4591 (isolation #159) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:11 pm

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In post 4506, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 4505, Krazy wrote:Read some games and feel better about this flipping scum. I will try to write something coherent tomorrow before I get too swept up in marathon

Brie maybe but less confident there, Moment sounds like he did toward end of Halloween so feeling a bit better town there.
Where is Taly voting?

@Gamma, sell me on Brie over DT.
This is still outstanding right?
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Post Post #4592 (isolation #160) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:12 pm

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In post 4507, TheBrie wrote:
In post 4363, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 4356, Taly wrote:what plan were you talking about with RC that showed he had a way to win this game and why did it revolve around him and Ank's death?
RC had near-lock townreads on Moment/Brie and Dann/Nancy, and the plan was simply to kill everyone except them. The problem was that RC's reads couldn't have been trusted to be 100% genuine while he was alive, so he needed to die for it to work.
Don't leave me amoment until the end. He's barely active, I'm swamped by real life, and my skills at reading are terrible.

I townread Moment early on, maily because I liked his clear post style, it dipped a little in the middle, especially as he never really was answering my questions (I asked him about Allomancer among over things), then in the end i decided to go for nice and uncomplicated, and town read, and accepted his offer. While interestingly my read on Allo was kinda opposite. Started out thinking he was scum, slowly grew to think maybe he was town, but when it really came down to choosing, I went and doubted again.

Current read on Moment: Basically I'm annoyed at him, because he's not said a thing. He said "Ego" in out PT, then disappeared, not giving me a chance to read him. I don't know what he really thinks about things, and he doesn't seem to care about the game enough. He might be busy, but since I had shred a few thoughts, he could have at least commented on them.

What I said then was that I townread SS, and also DT, but not as much.
From my limited experience with Nancy, I think she town here. And Taly's argument for why she wouldn't have ICed Pvt makes sense, and on top of other bits of towniness, iI want her to stick around.

I'll have to have a closer look at Gamma. I know she can be mislynched, sometimes with little scum involvement, but I've not actually put the work into looking at her meta. (Honestly, i can't remember when I looked at meta without someone linking a game first. I've gotten lazy.)
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Post Post #4593 (isolation #161) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:19 pm

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In post 4534, Krazy wrote:Taly asked in our PT for some more meta on DT but I figure I should just keep it here since that's where my push is.

Instead of risking turning myself into a caricature of myself (by doing a massive wallpost going over posts from other games etc. etc.) though I'd rather just ask you guys to take the "Krazy Iso Challenge"

Here's how it works -- I provide 5 links to games with the flip not being stated
You read the first 20 posts in the iso (assuming there are that many) and make a call about what you think the flip will be
And then you make a note and go on to the next one

The idea is that if you are consistently guessing wrong, you probably shouldn't try to use meta for the player
But if you're guessing right, you can maybe solidify what you think is a tell for the player

I will do the spoilers in a future post -- can you identify someone's alignment within 20 posts of their iso?

Here's the
DT Krazy Iso Challenge:

Reminder -- the rules are, don't try to go find the flip. Just read the first 20 posts and make a call, town or scum?

Game 1: viewtopic.php?t=77101&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Game 2 -- DT replacing Lady Angel: (LA included for ref) viewtopic.php?t=78089&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Game 3 -- viewtopic.php?t=76921&f=50&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Game 4 -- viewtopic.php?t=76697&f=50&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Game 5 -- viewtopic.php?t=77105&f=54&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

I could spoiler the answers, and obviously you can just look up the answers, but I think you will be more likely to take the challenge seriously if you can't find them with just one click.

I don't promise there is an even ratio here; the selections are based on available games. So they could be all town, if the player doesn't roll town that much.

And in terms of second guessing, I will say that in setting up this exercise, I am now back to watching to lynch DT

So there's that. This thing where I end up flipping between wanting to lynch him and second guessing myself 2-3 times a day is kinda why I want a flip here because it's making it really hard to focus on other iso dives/meta dives.
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Post Post #4594 (isolation #162) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:22 pm

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In post 4550, Dr Worm wrote:
In post 4534, Krazy wrote:DT Krazy Iso Challenge
TONE READS!!
1, 2, 5 = SAME ALIGNMENT!!
3, 4 = SAME ALIGNMENT!!
Oh look he returns
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Post Post #4600 (isolation #163) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:16 pm

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In post 4578, Dannflor wrote:This is difficult. Gut reads I'm just gonna go 2, 3, 5 as town and 1 and 4 as scum
In post 4579, Dannflor wrote:Welp I suck
Well that spoils a fair amount I think lol
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Post Post #4601 (isolation #164) » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:18 pm

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In post 4596, Krazy wrote:
In post 4593, Gamma Emerald wrote:Shall I try this?
dooo it
Nah people are a little too vocal about their accuracy for me to do it blind
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Post Post #4623 (isolation #165) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:28 am

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In post 4617, Dr Worm wrote:VOTE: THEBREAD
Talk about some of your reads?
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Post Post #4648 (isolation #166) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:40 am

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In post 4626, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 4625, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:@SS, has DT posted anything in your PT yet?
I should also Gamma, although only Urist needs to do any partner sorting in that case.

Have you and Urist been discussing reads or anything game related in your PT?
Not much tbh. Thing is he was pretty lost during intermission but now that we've had flips I'll ask him again. I did post my read list there first intending to do some reading through the game while spitting out thoughts there.
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Post Post #4650 (isolation #167) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:43 am

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In post 4631, Pink Ball wrote:@Taly, I haven't done what I listed because I'm still phoneposting and it would take an eternity to do it; it was a reminder for when I get a computer. I'm on my vacations, this is not what I'm planning to do during them. And yes, we have played together in my main.

@Nancy I told Mr. Worm that I will leave the dance if he doesn't start giving me some content 'cause he said there's no time to talk, that we have to vote TheBrie. I can't do more than that.

@Mr. Worm, it seems that we have a lot in common regarding our reads; I understand your gimmick and I really like it, but we have to be respectful with the rest of the playerlist and at least try to sort each other and play as a team. Could you continue with your gimmick but being helpful in our love nest, please?
tbh I think I'm feeling a little better about Dr. Worm.
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Post Post #4653 (isolation #168) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:44 am

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In post 4641, Krazy wrote:
In post 4623, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4617, Dr Worm wrote:VOTE: THEBREAD
Talk about some of your reads?
I mean that was a read gamma lol

He said brie is scum because she's skipping walls. Agree or not that is a read
I wanted more reads than his TheBrie read though.
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Post Post #4789 (isolation #169) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:53 am

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In post 4683, Krazy wrote:
In post 4678, Something_Smart wrote:I just realized it's hypocritical to suspect Nancy for not being able to read Gamma when she said she was obvtown in a previous game... because I too have read Gamma as obvtown before but cannot read her here.
My first ever meta case on Gamma was that she enjoys scum a bit more than town, so she has an inverted meta (the opposite of the Creature-style meta of 'lurk as scum, post a lot as town') and she tends to post heavier as scum. But I think that's because Gamma feeds back on feeling like she's part of a team. So it is plausible to me that she just really likes not having to sort her partner and that's why there's been a big upsurge in her confidence post-intermission.

Also possible that she just likes her scumteam a lot here though so... hard to say for sure. But that seems unlikely if DT flips scum, which is one of several reasons that I think we need some red flips so we can get a better feel for how the scum even feel about this game.
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Post Post #4798 (isolation #170) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:58 am

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In post 4697, Krazy wrote:
In post 4695, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Then you don’t really know my meta as well as you think I do. If you read my hydra PT with A50 in SC 1, he asked me why I was so “shy” about putting down a vote. I think I then voted Sadade, eventhough I wasn’t really feeling it. If I had been playing solo, I 100% wouldn’t have done that.

It’s your freaking game Krazy, how can you misrep me here, when you can verify what I’m saying is true?
To be fair I get a much weaker sense of a feel for how someone plays when I am modding the game rather than playing it. Also, that game was insane so there was a lot of things distracting me from a mod pov.

And I wouldn't say that's a misrep, it's just my recollection, and I still said you were town right there so... chill, gurl.
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Post Post #4804 (isolation #171) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:03 am

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In post 4713, Taly wrote:Rushing anything is bad but I think a lynch needs to be done by tomorrow. (Tuesday)

Otherwise the more discussion is made, the more muddled our reads and perception of the game become.
Sensible. We're on a strict timetable here.
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Post Post #4835 (isolation #172) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:27 am

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In post 4735, Krazy wrote:
In post 4733, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I am not following.
It had to do with something that happened in a game I was modding. This is what he meant when he said "we hadn't played together" (which he thought was true because he doesn't know about my alt) but that we'd interacted somehow anyway. I don't know how much more I can say without making it really easy to mainhunt him.
I could probably figure that out lol
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Post Post #4844 (isolation #173) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:55 am

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In post 4775, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4630, Taly wrote:
S_S
, can you explain your scumreads?

I glimpsed at
DT's
ISO as of the last several pages worth of his posts since my attention has been on other players.

But here's a few things I'm wondering about.
In post 4081, DoubtingThomas wrote:also i town read RC. I think RC's town ability is considerably good. i have no meta of you nor gamma. iirc, he hard town read you and said gamma was being worthless.

i am also ok sheeping that sentiment.

even if RC is wolf, i think he treats you and gamma like that if you are town. i really liked the way RC favored you over thebrie. tonally felt like a genuine town read, or something i dont know if wolves wanna do over their wolf packmate!gamma
In post 4253, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4245, Pink Ball wrote:Point is, RC is more valuable alive than dead
even when he's a wolf? :doge:
Why are you stating
RC
is a townread but several pages later you bring up the opportunity that he's a wolf?

I don't feel good that
S_S
is placing
RC's
reads higher than his own and you haven't pushed against that - all the while you're giving a mixed read on
RC
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In post 4307, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4305, Gamma Emerald wrote:That does help me with not having to sort my partner, now I can just jam out reads
bad post is bad
Urist
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Gamma
less towny or not approaching the game effectively? He's asserting his other reads as he should.

These inconsistencies don't feel genuine. I'm leaning to
DT+S_S
contain scum somewhere.

As for
PB+Dr. W
, their interaction doesn't really feel town/town to me much yet? Based on what I'm hearing from the PT. But I'm not sure if that's where I'm thinking the first lynched pair should be at the moment.
Uhm, Taly, this question is not real. I town read someone doesn't ensure that they are town. I am always wary that someone hard I townread can be a wolf at any point in the game.

Also, you are not reading my posts correctly. I didn't say Urist being an IC makes Gamma less townie. Never mentioned that anywhere and neither does that post by me imply that. I said that post is bad because Gamma is making a scummy commentary type of post. Everyone can see that Urist is an IC and that Gamma doesn't need to sort him. But Gamma went on to say that? It just looks awkward and pointless. Gamma doesn't seem like they really cared about Urist being town or not?

If I got an IC message saying S_S is town I would be like pretty fucking happy now that I can work with a confirmed town in PT?

At the same time, the post itself is just really subpar and pointless. I was pointing that out.
It was me sharing my thought process. The point was to let people know what I was thinking around that time.
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Post Post #4981 (isolation #174) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:16 pm

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In post 4669, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 4631, Pink Ball wrote:@Taly, I haven't done what I listed because I'm still phoneposting and it would take an eternity to do it; it was a reminder for when I get a computer. I'm on my vacations, this is not what I'm planning to do during them. And yes, we have played together in my main.

@Nancy I told Mr. Worm that I will leave the dance if he doesn't start giving me some content 'cause he said there's no time to talk, that we have to vote TheBrie. I can't do more than that.

@Mr. Worm, it seems that we have a lot in common regarding our reads; I understand your gimmick and I really like it, but we have to be respectful with the rest of the playerlist and at least try to sort each other and play as a team. Could you continue with your gimmick but being helpful in our love nest, please?
While I definitely have some paranoia about Brie, I don’t see why she is being viewed as the scummiest player by you guys and Gamma?

I differ from Dann in that although I agreed with a lot of RC’s reads, RC wasn’t psychic and couldn’t have forseen moment not posting for 3 days post intermission, 5 days total. I was hardtownreading him prior to that.
Here's the thing: votes are counted on the pairing. While I voted TB, it was a vote for her and Moment. Those two COMBINED are solidly where the most suspicion lies for me.
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Post Post #4982 (isolation #175) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:17 pm

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Also why was I singled out?
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Post Post #4983 (isolation #176) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:19 pm

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In post 4688, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 4654, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 4651, Krazy wrote:I mean I know your most recent experiences with nancy have been of high activity, but why do you feel like this is not the nancy of excalibur? You shouldn't assume the lack of her getting into a fight with some toxic player is a scumtell dude.
I don't think I paid attention to a single thing Nancy said in Excalibur while I was alive.

The only thing I remember her doing... was getting in a fight. (After I was dead.)
So let me get this straight. You didn’t read any of my posts and you call a brief minor heated exchange with Gamma, a “fight”? :shifty:
You voted me off that interaction...
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Post Post #4984 (isolation #177) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:22 pm

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In post 4714, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 4683, Krazy wrote:
In post 4678, Something_Smart wrote:I just realized it's hypocritical to suspect Nancy for not being able to read Gamma when she said she was obvtown in a previous game... because I too have read Gamma as obvtown before but cannot read her here.
My first ever meta case on Gamma was that she enjoys scum a bit more than town, so she has an inverted meta (the opposite of the Creature-style meta of 'lurk as scum, post a lot as town') and she tends to post heavier as scum. But I think that's because Gamma feeds back on feeling like she's part of a team. So it is plausible to me that she just really likes not having to sort her partner and that's why there's been a big upsurge in her confidence post-intermission.

Also possible that she just likes her scumteam a lot here though so... hard to say for sure. But that seems unlikely if DT flips scum, which is one of several reasons that I think we need some red flips so we can get a better feel for how the scum even feel about this game.
I don’t put a lot of stock into activity reads because I’ve seen that lead to a lot of mislynches and also have seen scum doing this. Scum!Thor actually tried to mislynch Gamma in YGM based on that.

But like SS has already said, she’s a huge question mark for me rn. I am neither seeing the obvious towntells that she exhibited in theRoomOdds and RC uPick nor the obvious scumtells I remember from OK 2. Unlike Creature, who I have extreme confidence in reading correctly, I can’t say that about Gamma.
Well Thor's was arguing a bad case with misanalyzed meta.
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Post Post #4986 (isolation #178) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:27 pm

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In post 4792, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4789, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4683, Krazy wrote:
In post 4678, Something_Smart wrote:I just realized it's hypocritical to suspect Nancy for not being able to read Gamma when she said she was obvtown in a previous game... because I too have read Gamma as obvtown before but cannot read her here.
My first ever meta case on Gamma was that she enjoys scum a bit more than town, so she has an inverted meta (the opposite of the Creature-style meta of 'lurk as scum, post a lot as town') and she tends to post heavier as scum. But I think that's because Gamma feeds back on feeling like she's part of a team. So it is plausible to me that she just really likes not having to sort her partner and that's why there's been a big upsurge in her confidence post-intermission.

Also possible that she just likes her scumteam a lot here though so... hard to say for sure. But that seems unlikely if DT flips scum, which is one of several reasons that I think we need some red flips so we can get a better feel for how the scum even feel about this game.
Your meta of me is very accurate, well done! I've actually noted myself I enjoy town more except in a good scumteam. And I think my confidence is in part because of my partner being IC'd because the cause is the flips are telling me I'm on track. So my townread on Pvt fed into that.
krazy having a wrong meta read is not the first time
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Post Post #4987 (isolation #179) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:28 pm

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In post 4985, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 4982, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also why was I singled out?
You, Worm and PB are all voting her.
But it was "you guys and Gamma", not PB Worm and Gamma".
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Post Post #4990 (isolation #180) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:34 pm

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In post 4801, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4674, Krazy wrote:
In post 4670, Something_Smart wrote:I mean, I've already said Thomas was nulltown. I'm trusting RC on Dann and Brie, so if I were to drop anyone it'd be Gamma... but any read on Gamma will get drowned out by IC WIFOM.
Not really... Gamma isn't getting lynched first for sure. That doesn't mean we don't need to make a choice about her literally in the next 5 days.
why not?
Hm. You scumread both TB and me but are definitely picking at me way more. What's the deal?
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Post Post #4991 (isolation #181) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:36 pm

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In post 4802, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4684, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 4645, Something_Smart wrote:Well if it's a mathematical certainty that scum is in there, it means that it didn't take any scumhunting skill to generate... I could put everyone in the scum tier and say "omg I scumread all the scum!" but it wouldn't mean anything.

Re: Thomas's wall, I don't know yet. I'm trying to get him to talk about that stuff a little more in the PT.
Having played with DT in a MU Lovers’ game, I can tell you that activity is NAI for him but town!him would express strong opinions in your PT. He did in ours - they were dead wrong but he definitely didn’t lack conviction.
did you want to be in my Lover PT that badly? why is this the only thing you talk about
Also for being so eager to call that reaction of Nancy's scummy this definitely feels like not just an overreaction. but a massive tangent that is useless to the discussion.
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Post Post #4993 (isolation #182) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:49 pm

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In post 4853, DoubtingThomas wrote:
In post 4850, Krazy wrote:My argument was that you should have had reads three days ago and that town is on the clock. I think I made exactly one post about it. Stop acting like I was talking up a storm about your post activity, that was simply me refuting the notion that there wasn't enough to work with irt your slot to get a read.
In post 4797, DoubtingThomas wrote:i town read SS and not scum read SS. that is not hard to understand. I think there are definite scum in Gamma or Brie. Maybe in PB, Nancy, etc if I look more into it.
As far as I know this is your reads right now. We have 5 days to solve the game. Who gets lynched today DT? Why are you continuing to bitch about me not spoonfeeding you interactions when you are presenting 0 indications of a solving mindset? Do you want Brie lynched today? Do you want Gamma to go first? Why in that order?

I have read your games and you are not this directionless as town. I feel like you just want to throw dirt at whoever is online and posting rather than working toward a gamesolve.
I thought I made my reads on other players to a certain degree so I am confused as to why you are trying to shade me this hard.

I think Gamma is obv scum but didn't realize she is partners with IC. Thinking maybe we can let them live technically just because we know for sure her partner is town and you made a fair point about gamma 'spewing'

I think Worm/PB are pretty null.

I think Brie's "reads" have been very subpar. I explained this before but you haven't read my posts properly so I will say it again

These are all of her "reads" that she made today:
Leaning towards scum on Moment, but he's not giving me anything to read. Conflicted on Pink Ball.

I went and did meta on Gamma. Her game is quite similar as town and scum, as town she's got more questions that force others to get involved and are really challenging, as a little less "Explain this" and sort of mechanical stuff, or comments on how people are playing. But it's close, and I can't tell which side this falls on. Maybe a tiny bit towards the scum side, but not enough to say anything solid. It's not outside her town range.

There's a few things that give me a scummy feel, but overall... I've not gotten her sorted out. i just know I'm not putting her solidly in as town.
In summary, she basically just says, "I lean scum. but he doesn't have any content to base my read on him. Idk Pink ball. I did meta on Gamma. I can't tell if she's town or scum. maybe a little scum. Don't have anything solid.

This is definition of hedging and she is refusing to take a stance. I think that is an overtly scum trait.

I also don't buy her explanation of insta accepting moment's invitation, as S_S pointed out
Mostly because I was afraid life would hardly let me on before the deadline. i had a couple days of full on work (waking up at three am), and I didn't know then how tired I would be the rest of the time. Bad reason.
Also, I wasn't really townreading SS then, and didn't really want her with Moment.

i don't really see scum!Moment asking scum!SS when he had a reasonable chance of town!me accepting. So currently townreading SS. Not townreading Moment, but I want to see him post again before making a final judgement.
I think this is >rand scum thing to do.

I also think Nancy constantly talking about my lover PT is >rand scum. I cannot understand why she thinks that would be NAI and scum read me for it. sounds scummy.

I think Worm's tone is townie, but I am confused as to why he completely ignored you and my interaction to talk about me at all in the last 10 pages that I read

I think Gamma has done very little solving and noone really town reads her. I think the way she got mad and attacked me out of nowehre is extremely scummy because she was blatantly lying about my progression on her. I think she can go, but I can accept why people wouldn't want to lynch her because she is lovers with an IC.

In that sense, I think Brie also has very high scum equity especially with her performance today. I haven't read Moment at all. hopefully he comes back soon. maybe ill iso him eventually.

I think nancy has good scum equity as well for oddly attacking me for not talking in lovers PT when i simply havent been on. I also think it was weird for her to give a reason for twon reading dann by using a post itt despite having lovers PT she so loves to talk about with him. i think dann is kinda townie for his posts tho and i initially town read nancy, so i personally prefer brie's lynch who i scum read harder and have no opinion on the lover for

i made all of this pretty clear in my recent posts so don't give me the "i dont see any reads from you" shit. read my shit.

i think you are just conf biasing and not reading my posts to tunnel me. i think you cussing me out is unnecessary and just provoking me really hard. believe me i can get real toxic real fast.

i don't want to go down that path so if you unnecessarily cuss me out again i will just ignore your presence and play the game around so i can at least leave a good legacy if you are just gonna deathtunnel me. i do think you are somewhat townie (despite S_S believing otherwise) and I think Taly is very townie so I don't want to get involved in a useless mess with you.

good luck with the rest of the game if you have anything intelligent to say that you want to approach me in a mature way to talk about, i'd be glad to talk. otherwise, i think you are just stuck in a tunnel and will play the game around you


More Krazy shading. Also I have two things to say about me "not being really townread by anyone". Firstly that's wrong, secondly what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
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Post Post #4995 (isolation #183) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:03 pm

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In post 4862, Dannflor wrote:
In post 4858, DoubtingThomas wrote:waiting to talk to S_S about stuff. he's been gone now.

I wasn't sure if we vote as a pair or not and wanted to hear S_S's opinion. Also think we have couple days left before voting?

why should i vote so early in the day phase?
We have 5 days left until the end of the game


The rest of the game must be played out within those five days. If we don't start getting flips soon, we're gonna have a lot less time to deal with potential lylo situations.

The fact that today has consisted mostly of you defending yourself and getting you to commit strongly to any one push is worrying.

Slowing down this day phase is strictly anti town.
You know what I'm gonna change course here. I've been thinking lynching the scummiest pair imo was the best move but here's the thing: DT has been playing like I'd expect a partner of one of those 2 to play. So instead I'll vote DT with the statement that upon a scumflip Public Enemies #1 & 2 imo will be TB and Moment.
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Post Post #4996 (isolation #184) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:11 pm

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In post 4917, Pink Ball wrote:VOTE: Moment

By the way if by any chance DT flips scum don't @ me with "you were derailing his wagon" 'cause you guys don't know Moment/TheBrie's alignment
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Post Post #4998 (isolation #185) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:12 pm

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In post 4924, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 4921, Dr Worm wrote:
In post 4915, Something_Smart wrote:RC does!
RADIANTCOWBALLS is not GOD!!
But he was NK'd...
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Post Post #4999 (isolation #186) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:13 pm

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In post 4930, Dr Worm wrote:
Something_Smart wrote:
In post 4921, Dr Worm wrote:
In post 4915, Something_Smart wrote:RC does!
RADIANTCOWBALLS is not GOD!!
But he was NK'd...
even DR WORM knows that MEANS ZILCH!!
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Post Post #5000 (isolation #187) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:19 pm

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In post 4978, TheBrie wrote:Reads, I meant reads.

Nancy/Dannflor - both town. I know them a little, they don't feel like scum here, and I trust them to read each other.

Taly/Krazy - Taly is my strongest townread. Krazy not quite as strong, mostly because of the doubt of others, but my gut says town.

Those are the pairs I'd like left. I feel much more confident in Krazy town, than Moment town.

I town read SS, I don't Thomas. He rubs me the wrong way (partly due to language which is entirely stupidly NAI), and he feels like he's pulling town apart in some way. Maybe RC is wrong with some of his reads, But DT seems to be against the idea of listening to him. And his aggressive response to some people just feels overdone. Add to that the argument that he had been intending to sit out if he couldn't pair with me, then changed to which ever remaining lady looked townier.
On the other hand, his arguments are logical when you get past his tone.

Pinkball/Dr. Worm Conflicted. The idea of Worm as town appeals to me, and I don't think they're both scum.

Gamma/Pvt - I'd lean more towards Gamma as town, but there's a voice in my head that says it's due to really liking the idea that scum were trying to get Gamma lynched by ICing PVt.

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Suppose I left. What's next if Moment and i are both town? How about if I'm town and Moment is scum? I'd like to know how useful the flip information would actually be.
Both town, PB is top suspect. Moment or you scum, DT is top suspect.
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Post Post #5036 (isolation #188) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:25 pm

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In post 5001, TheBrie wrote:Gamma, interesting. What connection do you see between Moment and I and DT then?

Also it's time to get this moving along.
VOTE: Doubting Thomas

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Post Post #5037 (isolation #189) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:26 pm

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In post 5021, Moment wrote:
In post 5006, FakeGod wrote:
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Hey, cool. Sad that SS had to go for it to happen, but even still.
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Post Post #5039 (isolation #190) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:35 pm

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That's my b but point still stands that he was up my ass there in a way that was not matched on TB.
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Post Post #5041 (isolation #191) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:03 pm

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I really don't think so but don't have the capacity to go deep into what I was seeing but I will when I do.
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Post Post #5092 (isolation #192) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:55 am

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In post 5051, Pink Ball wrote:So the only flaw you can see here is that, if both scum reach the endgame, town loses, but they have to place themselves in the endgame pair to do that. The only way this could happen if both scum members are deepwolves. If that's the case, I think the game's over either way, but I'm convinced that there will be at least one red flip in
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Post Post #5094 (isolation #193) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:01 am

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In post 5091, Taly wrote:
In post 5089, Dannflor wrote:Although, I don't like the way Gamma voted DT conditionally as a way to set up TheBrie/Moment as her next lynch if DT flipped red.
In post 4995, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know what I'm gonna change course here. I've been thinking lynching the scummiest pair imo was the best move but here's the thing: DT has been playing like I'd expect a partner of one of those 2 to play.
So instead I'll vote DT with the statement that upon a scumflip Public Enemies #1 & 2 imo will be TB and Moment.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas
Like, I don't know if it even makes sense to say this. If DT flipped town, would Gamma suddenly not be pushing this pair anymore?
This was also one of my biggest points I brought up about
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Gamma
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Gamma
voted
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DT
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Gamma
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DT
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It looked like a compromise-vote that validated her reads - since
DT
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TheBrie
as well - which,
"surprise, surprise"
- is very similar to the reasoning that
Gamma
gave about
TheBrie
being scum of which had been all of 2 lines.
Gamma's
post -
DT's
post.

Moment
has ignored people's questions and
TheBrie's
acceptance of his invitation being
"shady"
was never really touched up on.

It just feels like an excuse to eliminate an easily lynchbaity pair.

I'm not saying
TheBrie+Moment
are locktown or even town/town, but I see almost 0 town-motivation behind
Gamma's
posts upon a
DT
scumflip, and I can link multiple posts right now of
Gamma
noting
Pink Ball+DW
as making 'noteworthy' posts , but sticks to
TheBrie+Moment
regardless of the large amounts of suspicion casted on
Pink Ball+DW
since AT LEAST
DT's
flip.

It just reads as
Gamma
lining up lynches off 0 basis of reading into the game or having a deep intent to solve it, and
Urist
is an ideal player to IC because he hasn't contradicted the wishes of scum.
I guess this is generally understandable but there's some things to consider.
  1. Dann's post reminded me we were on a timetable and there was 0 traction for that pair
  2. I felt like the associative was pretty strong. I should be able to get into why now.
However this:
Gamma
scarcely voiced a read on
DT
before this point and her vote was right after mine, so it was a predictable time to buss.
is NOT true. I had been scumreading DT quite clearly before.
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Post Post #5095 (isolation #194) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:02 am

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Oh wow so I'm not allowed to correct you if you get something blatantly wrong?
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Post Post #5098 (isolation #195) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:10 am

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In post 5097, Taly wrote:
In post 5094, Gamma Emerald wrote:I guess this is generally understandable but there's some things to consider.
Dann's post reminded me we were on a timetable and there was 0 traction for that pair
I felt like the associative was pretty strong. I should be able to get into why now.
Also a bit confused here? Are you saying there's an associative with
Dann
and
DT
or am I completely misreading?

How am I wrong about my associative read on
You+DT
here?
Nothing between Dan and DT wtf, I was saying when I read Dann's post I thought "that's right we have a short deadline, and I should probably stop vanity voting because that's what I'm essentially doing"
And I think you're pretty wrong on it yeah. Next post should hopefully be my explanation.
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Post Post #5099 (isolation #196) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:11 am

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In post 5096, Taly wrote:
In post 5095, Gamma Emerald wrote:Oh wow so I'm not allowed to correct you if you get something blatantly wrong?
Where did this come from? I said you can disagree with me - but I don't want a 1v1 when I'm trying to gamesolve.

I want other people to point out grievances or agree with me as well.
Okay well it sounded like you were saying "gamma isn't allowed to counter my post"
Gamma Emerald wrote: However this:
Gamma
scarcely voiced a read on
DT
before this point and her vote was right after mine, so it was a predictable time to buss.
is NOT true. I had been scumreading DT quite clearly before.
Can you line the posts narrating your
DT
scumread? Because you've seemed to have focused only on 1 pair being a scumread for the past 3-4 days judging by the majority of your votes.
Yeah, I'll try to include that in my explanation of DT's associtives with the TB/moment pair too
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Post Post #5101 (isolation #197) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:19 am

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In post 4856, Dannflor wrote:
In post 4853, DoubtingThomas wrote:I think Gamma has done very little solving and noone really town reads her. I think the way she got mad and attacked me out of nowehre is extremely scummy because she was blatantly lying about my progression on her. I think she can go, but I can accept why people wouldn't want to lynch her because she is lovers with an IC.

In that sense, I think Brie also has very high scum equity especially with her performance today. I haven't read Moment at all. hopefully he comes back soon. maybe ill iso him eventually.

I think nancy has good scum equity as well for oddly attacking me for not talking in lovers PT when i simply havent been on. I also think it was weird for her to give a reason for twon reading dann by using a post itt despite having lovers PT she so loves to talk about with him. i think dann is kinda townie for his posts tho and i initially town read nancy, so i personally prefer brie's lynch who i scum read harder and have no opinion on the lover for
So, why aren't you voting Brie?
was multiquoting posts in DT's ISO and realized this was probably why I thought DT was voting me
@Taly well I thought that was what you meant, sorry.
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Post Post #5102 (isolation #198) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:30 am

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I have to get off literally right now but I'll be back soon with hopefully my explanation of DT's associatives
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Post Post #5128 (isolation #199) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:36 pm

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In post 5107, Krazy wrote:If Gamma is town here, it's because she has not used the phrase "mite of meta" once to present a nonsensical towncase/scumcase.

I don't know if that actually makes her town, but it is one of her tics as scum to almost always say some sort of nonsense about meta in lieu of a read based on the game itself.

Still thinking about that slot but still think I want PB more today.
I've never used that exact phrasing EVER so lol ok
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