it's not enough to lock you town or anything, but it's enough for me to start trusting that my read was the wrong one over everyone else'sIn post 3333, RadiantCowbells wrote:it really, really, really shouldn'tIn post 3331, Ankamius wrote:honestly RC, the fact that our reads are aligning like this is making me a lot less paranoid of you
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because I think both of us being there would be a lot better for town morale if we push to intermission at least, even at the worst case I think we'd have a good shot at weeding out a deepwolf later if neededIn post 3342, RadiantCowbells wrote:same reason last game i powerlynched to townreads because sakura hana wanted it. and iddn't really push firebringers lynch even though i knew he was scum. it just doesn't matter in the end.
why does it matter if we're dead at 3 pairs lefthonestly RC
we're both widely townread enough that worst case, we would be either intermission killed or dead at 3 pairs left
there's more than enough leeway to push all the much more scummy pairs out first
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RC I'm not actually as bad at the game as you usually see meIn post 3344, RadiantCowbells wrote:if we're not then you'll paranoia kill me at final 6 100% of the time
you stated that I shouldn't be less paranoid of you because we're melding, and yeah that's right in a vacuum
but in a situation where you're almost universally townread and Iindependentlyam reaching a lot of the same conclusions you are (and there's no evidence that you're specifically pushing them to match mine), that is a lot more telling. This isalmost exactlyhow I townread you so easily in FO4 and specifically held on to it despite punreader trying to push me away from that read. Yeah you're a capable scum, but I don't think your specific scum style creates this kind of situation when you're planning on leaving immediately anyways-
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it depends a lot more on the situation and who the flipped scum are, actuallyIn post 3347, RadiantCowbells wrote:there is no world
where you consider lynching a dann/nd or brie/moment pair in 4 way with me
you speed leave the game
that win equity is imaginary
and i don't need the heartbreak of trying to convince you that i'm town when it's never going to do anything
like I suspect that there's scum in the pool that is shading brie; if that's proven false, then I won't townread her for that anymore, etc.etc.-
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I think I'd only paranoiakill you if you specifically refused to work with anybody for the whole gameIn post 3356, RadiantCowbells wrote:like this isn't a read disagreement
this is a mechanically I think that our time of dying is inconsequential unless there's a world in which we don't die at all
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what do I have to do to convince you I'm not going to leave without very good reason to?In post 3376, RadiantCowbells wrote:i think that trying to bring myself to endgame is tempting fate and i think that whether i go at start of dance 1 or some other point is irrelevant. i think my entire game makes complete sense in that approach.-
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RC is making an attempt to help push the gamestate forwardIn post 3384, Krazy wrote:
I chose not to leave the queue despite RC pairing because I thought I could make a good faith effort to maybe play with himIn post 3378, Ankamius wrote:Krazy I really think you aren't helping here
and I chose not to replace out of the game because I yolo replaced out last time
But I do not know at this point why I would continue playing with RC with the way he plays
Maybe it's fine and I'm just pissed off over a disagreement in strategy
But I feel like he came in, bitched about pairings, yolo-paired to suicide, and is making it really fucking complicated for people who want to scumhunt to even do that when we don't even know how many lynches we get in first dance. I guess 1?
It's just really tilting
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In post 3391, RadiantCowbells wrote:i would consider it phenomenally unsafe to have me as an endgame pairing in a game where ankamius was gonna tunnel me and ankamius was the optimal pair option in that position fmpovIn post 3363, Ankamius wrote:
I think I'd only paranoiakill you if you specifically refused to work with anybody for the whole gameIn post 3356, RadiantCowbells wrote:like this isn't a read disagreement
this is a mechanically I think that our time of dying is inconsequential unless there's a world in which we don't die at all
otherwise I'd have to get a strong scumread to leaveIn post 3374, Ankamius wrote:RC I'm not going to leave unless the rest of the town specifically wants it :SIn post 3380, Ankamius wrote:
what do I have to do to convince you I'm not going to leave without very good reason to?In post 3376, RadiantCowbells wrote:i think that trying to bring myself to endgame is tempting fate and i think that whether i go at start of dance 1 or some other point is irrelevant. i think my entire game makes complete sense in that approach.-
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he didn'tIn post 3394, PvtUrist wrote:
Again, don't think Krazy ever implied this.In post 3390, Ankamius wrote:and RC isn't being aggressive at you at all
but krazy being aggressive with him is unnecessary with that in mind-
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Let's just take things one step at a time for now and the OoG stuff can come in after the game is over
It's not impossible that we are in a situation where all this is completely unnecessary and it turns out we kill all 3 scum by the end of first dance or something
Just focus and let the two of us work through what we need to; RC is at least willing to talk to me in a private PT and that's hopefully a good sign that we will be able to get through the rest of the game without imploding-
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Tbf the situation changed pretty drastically in the last 12 or so hoursIn post 3420, Taly wrote:
If you thinkIn post 3281, Moment wrote:I would, however, like to know in advance who SS is pairing with. I think he's town, but if people are going to lynch him anyways I would like him paired with a scummier Gent.S_Sis town, then why are you OK with a lynch there?
also I'm skimming right now, but I'm a bit sad that people are continuing to sayMe+Krazyis a bad pairing when I gave multiple opportunities for several people to case a reason, AND an alternative. I also outlined my reasoning for the pairing, and I don't think people have really engaged with that as much as they should, if they feel this doubtful.
I don't think people are being fair here. :(-
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I believe his reads are coming from a good place, is really it. I don't get the sense that there's an agenda behind what he's been doing since it would be easier to force bad reads than it looks like he is doing hereIn post 3430, Taly wrote:Explain the Moment townread?
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Did you go into your SS townread at all? I don't remember seeing it and that's the main read we disagree on I thinkIn post 3506, RadiantCowbells wrote:
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I think we had a miscommunication here somewhereIn post 3514, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't actually wanna compromise on my moment townread
SS is not a townread but Moment is my townread I'd be most willing to pair with someone that's not one of my townreads-
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I'm shelving it until second dance at leastIn post 3515, Taly wrote:I can't focus on gamesolving at the moment. I keep being told that I've been pocketed when I've both defended against that notion and wanted people to expand on an alternative.
I've even made it abundantly clear that pocketing was what I was trying to avoid. I don't feel like people have empathized with me on a cool-headed level, and I still feel thatKrazyis genuine.
I'm getting angry and sad and it's clouding my judgment and I feel alone right now. :/
I need a breath and help.-
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I'll reread SS when I get a chance and get back to youIn post 3518, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm not in some immediate rush to kill your pairing-
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Tbh once you made it clear you weren't locking Krazy town and were going to keep an eye on him, I haven't had much of any issue with it.In post 3524, Taly wrote:In post 3517, Ankamius wrote: I'm shelving it until second dance at least
+1 to both of you. There are advantages to a townread+suspected pair (it's a reason why I claimed my coin count).In post 3518, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm not in some immediate rush to kill your pairing
But they disintegrate if doubt is placed around the pairing early on.
I'm listening to you guys and that I'm not locktowningKrazy, but I feel I currently have a well-reasoned townread there, and so my acceptance to him is valid.
So :) I hope you guys see my POV more here.<3I incorporate gamestate, reads, and playstyle into my decision here.
I don't want to speak anymore about this at this stage of the game.
It's worth revisiting at some point but there's no real point to right now since I think it'll be easier to tell with him after some flips.-
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Gamma has done essentially nothing, I haven't really seen any attempts to get caught up either, it's mostly just fluffIn post 3582, RadiantCowbells wrote:I keep forgetting gamma was in this game it's probably not a good sign-
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I don't have much of an opinion, which means somewhere around averageIn post 3585, DoubtingThomas wrote:is gamma a strong player?
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Other than moment pairing, I'm not seeing the rest of the unpaired lasting very long tbhIn post 3586, DoubtingThomas wrote:
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Do you miss when I had the 8 coinsIn post 3622, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:It really sucks that you and me, don’t have more coins. That’s the frustrating thing with this mechanic. So, we have strike to basically strike a balance btween getting the towniest pairings and also make sure no high coin getting gent, doesn’t yolofuck us basically. So Taly is 100% right about all 8 ladies making it to 1st dance, to prevent this from costing us the game.-
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No I'm scumreading your recent posting because it reads like you're trying to get the most mileage you can out of what little you can get so your team has less of a hill to climb later in the gameIn post 3629, Gamma Emerald wrote:Honestly what the fuck do you people want because I've provided reads and tried to read what I could. If it's an engagement thing you can piss off because I'm not to blame for this game exploding.-
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You essentially called the slot most likely to be compromise lynched scum, and then took the last widely townread unpaired gent and said that you wanted to sort and potentially leave them.In post 3637, Gamma Emerald wrote:
It's called I'm trying to form reads after having to skip a ton of the game because you guys couldn't stop bickering for five minutes like a bunch of children.In post 3634, Ankamius wrote:
No I'm scumreading your recent posting because it reads like you're trying to get the most mileage you can out of what little you can get so your team has less of a hill to climb later in the gameIn post 3629, Gamma Emerald wrote:Honestly what the fuck do you people want because I've provided reads and tried to read what I could. If it's an engagement thing you can piss off because I'm not to blame for this game exploding.
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Because I townread him when everyone else hadn't yet and it was a near guarantee we would work well togetherIn post 3657, Gamma Emerald wrote:
lol why?In post 3655, Ankamius wrote:I wish I stole moment for myself now-
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I care who moment is paired with, but I don't have a strong enough townread on any of the remaining ladies to be comfortable with any of them pairing with him.In post 3680, Gamma Emerald wrote:
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Okay. What pairings do you want amongst the remaining gents and ladies given you're saying this?
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Am I naive for townreading this postIn post 3693, Something_Smart wrote:Fun fact, Pink Ball said something earlier that made me think he might have been Alchemist :lol:
I'll be here later tonight if anyone wants to talk to me. I would like Krazy to take a moment and reflect on the possible reasons I might be playing differently from Excalibur, other than my alignment being different.
Interesting note: It seemed to me that in the past few days the public opinion on me has shifted significantly. Whether or not that's actually the case, the thread created that impression with multiple influential people pretty much simultaneously saying either they townread me or they were reevaluating their scumread on me. It's almost a foregone conclusion that scum would have expected me to be mislynched at some point in time, so I expected that scum might push back against me being townread.
The two people who have done this are Gamma and Krazy.
I kinda feel like this is the type of post I townread regardless of what alignment it comes from-
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In post 3743, Ankamius wrote:I will read through SS' ISO momentarily
Moment what do you think of this?In post 3744, Ankamius wrote:Yup I agree with RC, this is town.
I don't see anyone playing the way he's approached this entire game from without having a plan to draw from, and the actual words he's putting out doesn't indicate that he is specifically pushing for any one outcome.
It makes a lot more sense as town than scum.