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[Vedith]

Okay, I decided that I am going to play serious this game.

My RVS vote is on

VOTE: Lycan
I can't think of anything witty but that's my RVS done.

[Vedith]

Unvote, Vote Nero Cain

Whose side are you on?

Is this still RVS?

[Vedith]

Could you tell me what your reaction would be to either answer possibly given to this question?

That should be pretty obvious.
If it's RVS I want to know why they feel need the change from the original RVS and if it's serious I want to know why they feel Nero deserves the vote.

[Vedith]

I like jokes.

Me too.
What's the joke here?
All i see is potential distancing of voting a buddy without the actual vote.

VOTE: Amor

I don't know why I'm voting here, but I also don't think anyone can give me a reason why I shouldn't be voting here. So I like this as a place to start.

Do you yield, Amor?

This is terrible. Just an awkward vote.
I think Expecting more of a follow up, especially from me and just wanted to get on early.

VOTE: Joges

[Vedith]

The idea was that I was voting Nero because he said he didn't have Twitter. Maybe it was funnier in my head.

Probably.

[Vedith]

start yourself then.
Also Joges latest post is gut villa but im going to need a second opionon on that.

The past asking for more votes on someone he has no reason to Scum read?
Explain that one for me.

[Vedith]

noobtown/lynchbait. once he gets comfortable playing mafia im sure he will make an impact

I like you a lot too, Lycan.
However, worthless comment and no impact.
Why should I vote Armor with you?

[Vedith]

Vedith is more likely to make towny sounding posts as scum then as town.

I think you mean im more likely to be helpful as Scum rather than shot post.

[Vedith]

???
What are you on about

His last post was asking for more votes on Armor. 63
He doesn't know why he's voting Armor 50

Why does that post read as gut town?

[Vedith]

I quite like Eyes entrance

[Vedith]

Still pretty happy with my Sashaddin vote.

How much experience with them?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Sashaddin
Okay I'll sheep.

[Vedith]

Interesting.

[Vedith]

Should I claim?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Jibril

VOTE: Jibril

[Vedith]

Nero is actually right here I think.
I might sheep him instead if Creature.

[Vedith]

Is that order you will lynch?

[Vedith]

I think so, but it depends what order he wants to lynch his list.

[Vedith]

Okay. I am Scum.
Originally I doubted it but I like Neros reads.

[Vedith]

If you keep me alive I'll lynch my Scum buddies with you?

[Vedith]

That would be playing against your win con and is probably a ban-able offense if I understand the rules right.

Well just don't tell the admins and I won't get banned.
Do you want to know who to lynch first?
I'll give one Scum buddy a day.

[Vedith]

Lycanfire

[Vedith]

For what it's worth, I wouldn't lynch RCE today.

[Vedith]

@Vedith: SO it's been a while since you asked me to vote for Lycan, and I did. But I see you have not cared to join your own asvocated lynch, and I'm wondering why that is. Explain?

I just give the Scum name. If town don't lynch that's better for me!

[Vedith]

I'm flattered! And flattery gets you everywhere with me!
So I won't vote you today \o/

[Vedith]

I think I might kill Nero tonight.
Enigma the next night if you don't stop voting me.

[Vedith]

But you're going by the assumption that I'm lynchable. When in fact I'm not lynchable.

[Vedith]

I'm a VT. \o/

[Vedith]

And Vedith has just been trolling, but it's not in a way which actually gets reactions, which I think is what Vedith would be trying to do as town.

We have no games together that are completed at least. Why contour think I would do this as Scum rather town?
Since you're bringing meta into it.

[Vedith]

You mean this game where I'm told I'm just trolling and was town?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78471

Using meta as a reason without being able to back it up is scummy.
I might lynch you today.

[Vedith]

In the game that we do have (I understand that you replaced in so it was later), you were not being entirely serious, but looking back at it I think you were trying to get reactions (FWIW I wrongly scumread you there and caused your lynch, but here I feel I’m right), with that scumslip duff etc. Here you are not doing that.

When was I trying to get reactions? Even Dunn said I was trolling that game and has played a lot more games with me then majority of players.
The only time I was serious in that game other than the vote was after the hammer.
This is using meta as your reason to Scum hunt when it doesn't exist.
If you just said I was playing scummy in this game I might have accepted your vote.

[Vedith]

There’s trolling and there’s trolling. Your trolling there was actually productive (or trying to be anyway). Here there is no room for proper reactions other than people attacking you just for trolling.

So is my Scum game me trolling with no productivity?
What was productive in that game? Other than me saying I know Scum but I won't give reads?

[Vedith]

Trolling by itself is a scummy behaviour (post RVS). But you have a meta for it, so how you troll is important.

But you're argument is I'm scummy before of meta, not because I am trolling.
So if meta is my reason for being Scum, explain my Scum meta.

viewtopic.php?p=10703797#p10703797 and a couple other posts like it

So me saying the mod got Scum count wrong is a serious troll?

I'm on phone so I'm doing piece by piece and responding but let me hand you this here shiney shovel.

I felt under genuine pressure when you were posting this stuff (and it's not like I was scum). It was deliberately provocative, but it had something to do with the game. Here it doesn't.

It was never deliberately proactive.
But if you had pressure with this, just wait until I tunnel you this game until one of us are dead.

Btw, your interaction with eyes was also scummy, which you seem to have failed to mention.

Pedit: It wasn't productive because it didn't work (arguably that sequence of events put the game beyond reach). But as I saw it (after seeing your flip) you were trying to get real reactions that are relevant to the game. That has townie motivation, irrespective of whether it works for the game it is done in

In what way do I fail to mention about me and eyes? You are bringing the case that I'm Scum because I trolled in a game where I was town. Why would I randomly say "but my interaction with eyes"? I'm not sure what your point is with that?
And for it being scummy. I'm okay with that part.

I wasn't trying to get reacts I was trolling. You are comparing two same situations with different wordings and saying what my intentions were on both.
You're entire argument is you deciding what mind set I had when posting in that game to this game when it's not different at all.

VOTE: Rooster

Today is a lynch on me or you. If outside I'll make it unbearable to make sure it's one of us.

[Vedith]

More votes on Rooster we can lynch here today \o/

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

It's a reason, not the only reason. I have not looked at your scum games yet (shock horror!), but I am trying to understand the motivation for what you are saying. It is not the town motivation that I now see you had in our previous game (which btw I can make a much better judgement about than some random scum game of yours that I wasn't in).

Back peddling here, eh?
So I'm Scum because I am trolling here and because I troll with a reason in other games. This is correct?

What the fuck is with that oddly done quote?
So first of about the post you quoted. It was on the opening rules so why would i suspect people don't know it?
Again you are trying to tell me what my reasons were for posting it.

You will have a lot of pressure today don't worry.

How can you believe that I troll every game with 1 game played with me? Yes me trolling is what you are Scum reading me for. Surely by your argument it's NAI and the reasons for Scum reading me are this game alone.
And what is me not mentioning me and eyes posting which happened like 2 pages ago have to do with anything? There would be no reason for me to randomly mention it as either align.

No it's not deciding what mindset I had on a completed game where I am town. If I say what my intentions were there then that's what I am saying they are there.
You are here to decide my mind side and motivations for this game alone.

You'll still cook well! \o/

[Vedith]

Vote Chickenboy.
Let's make a better tomorrow, today! \o/

[Vedith]

Yes. Your trolling here was designed to slow the game down (and to some extend it worked. Obviously I didn't help by not being active until now but hard to decipher posts make it harder).

Is this what I was doing it for or is it a theory?

Does anyone actually read the rules and then remember that tiny bit of information?

Do town remember how many Scum there are when seeing it? Yes

But it helped you sort me, no? Whether you mean to or not (though I strongly suspect you mean to) how you troll will be different depending on if you are town or scum. You couldn't control that if you wanted to.

I'm pretty good I could have sorted you either way.
Just because I can a town Scum tell from my posts doesn't mean that I'm aiming for it.
Trolling in games will get you lynched a lot more than not so explain why trolling is scummy for a start and why it benefits Scum.

Nobody blinks an eye when you troll. You do, don't you? If that's not the case link me a recent game where you haven't.

By recent games I have 1 completed game in the last year or so.
I have plenty of games where I "troll" and plenty where I don't. That's as both alignments.
You're argument is my meta here so you are the one to present the proof of this.

-That, and the eyes interaction (as I said before). Also now your convenient arguments which try to paint what I said in a different light.
-It's not NAI, as I feel very sure that scum you and town you troll differently. We are not entirely in control of this, so regardless of whether you intend to just troll what actually happens in different. It's human nature. Perhaps I was wrong about you having a very clear goal with your trolling in that game, but there is still motivation, whether you are aware of it or not.
-Because it was the first thing I said I scumread you for in the post where I voted you?

So what is the difference of me trolling with eyes for reaction and trolling with saying there's 3 Scum for reactions?
What makes you sure that my Scum game is trolling if you have never seen it?
I have alt accounts that have 0 trolling in, so explain where it's human nature for me to troll?

But comparing you mindset and motivations to a previous game I was quite invested in is useful. I don't necessarily need another reference point (which seems to be your whole defense), because this game is not black and white. If you could link to a scum game of yours, however, I would appreciate it. Probably wont be able to look at it right now, but later.

Pedit: I know it's dense, but if you try to parse what I'm saying it might make a lot more sense.

It isn't useful at all if you're trying to decide what my motives were in different games when I argue it. You can say you think my motives this game are x and y but not in other games finished.
You are the one using meta on me. I have about 1/3 to 1/2 played games as Scum on here and you can go into my games list and decide which ones to use.

As town your argument makes no sense as it's based on false facts.
As Scum It makes sense as you don't expect me to respond that kind of comment given I ignored other Scum reads on me.

[Vedith]

Interesting.

[Vedith]

I see people reading but no follow up.
Vote Rooster or challenge me.

[Vedith]

Yeah I’m not really feeling this rooster wagon rn. Some one bust out a better one likkkkeeeee jibril or eyes

I'm jotting this down and sending a letter.
Vote Rooster or me or I get you tomorrow

[Vedith]

Jibril hasn’t done anything to help town whatsoever they’ve been lurking & OMGUS voted me after I said that she’s scum. I’m fine with her not being D1 Lynch tho

So you're voting someone who you don't mind not being lynched.
So your vote is currently sitting on someone giving 0 pressure.

Change you're vote now before I get really mad.

[Vedith]

This is why I don't tend to do wall posts. Maybe next time I don't post for a while I should make 10 posts saying exactly the same thing as I made in that one post.

Sash, what makes me look shifty to you?

Come on Rooster, don't quit the meta read on me now.
I'm not surprised you're trying to weasel out of it though now you're shown as Scum.

[Vedith]

We cooking rooster today. I can see that Scum somewhere want to try and change course so it's all noted.

[Vedith]

I find the best thing to do with Nero is pretend that he isn't in the game day1.

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How am I weasling out of it? I think we both said our piece, more wall posting about that would clog up the thread.

Apart from what you said was a load of bollocks which you couldn't back up.

[Vedith]

I'm down for eyes also.

VOTE: Eyes

So my meta says I'm Scum but you're happy to vote off me.

[Vedith]

I townread eyes based on this.

Based on his entire play he's town.
The only way that Eyes is ever Scum is only if I am. Otherwise Scum never respond how they did to me.

So the optimal play here is to either vote me (and therefore be voting Eyes in the long run) or vote Rooster which I am confirming as Scum.

[Vedith]

But if I flip town you could trust my town reads.
And I think you need to read my ISO I claimed Scum long ago.

[Vedith]

Its an easy play for scum to jump in on a town 1v1, why rule it out?

Because I'm right.

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Also not true, just because you're town doesn't mean youre right

Reason i said could rather than should.
But I am right.

I'm right about Rooster too

[Vedith]

Ew.

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Eyes has gone from 0 votes to 6 without a post in between any.
Wagon is tragic

[Vedith]

No it's just because there's both deluded town and Scum on the wagon.
It makes much more sense to even vote me over eyes from a town perspective.

I know I'm right and you know I'm right.

[Vedith]

At least we can agree with something \o/

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Ew.

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Like it makes sense for scum Eyes to sheep Vediths vote whatever his alignment so I don't see the logic here

So whatever he flips it doesn't change your view on me. While my flip changes the possible view on him.
Right?

[Vedith]

You're really milking this. Get serious please.

Pretty sure my vote on Rooster shows I'm serious.

[Vedith]

Ignore them Eyes.
I think there's 2 Scum on that wagon.

[Vedith]

Yes, I do.

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So you're saying that when I flip town you'll be town reading Vedith? I am ok getting lynched if that is your view.

That's a bad way to look at it.
Lynching someone obvious town is just bad.

It's a really lazy wagon on you and I bet as asked the people on you will just say some generic bullshit reason or not give one.
The conversation between me and you earlier is a tragic reason to vote you, even more so that the voting on you was extremely delayed.

[Vedith]

Ew

[Vedith]

Okay don't claim that should help keep you alive. Excellent choice

Why do you feel that a claim here is going to change anything?

[Vedith]

This is my first ever game here.

I see what you are saying and slightly agree it just felt like... doesn't matter I'll wait.

[Vedith]

Six days is a lot of time. Seems weird to be demanding a claim from a guy you think is town.

[Vedith]

Stanley, tell me a different read other than me and Eyes.
It doesn't have to be Scum.

[Vedith]

Bujaber is town, joges is town

I want to see somethi g about BuJaber before I decide. What makes them town?

[Vedith]

Also Jibril I don't dislike.

[Vedith]

This is not what i said. If you flip town the chance of Vedith flipping scum goes up because he told us to lynch you if he flipped mafia

This makes more sense.
I think you worded it badly originally.

I like this response.

[Vedith]

I normally wait until theres something I'm interest in as either alignment.

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Then you go and make a post like that.

[Vedith]

Vedith sees that I'm making a case on him.

The case on Vedith is reasonably strong

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

I'm trying to get caught up, but it's going to be a minute. Anyone want to fill me in on anything I should look at? I'm on page 10 now.

Rooster claimed scum.

[Vedith]

On mobile now, at first glance Vedith and Roster might be TvT but I havent read much into it tbh.

I don't think town believe that their meta argument is valid here.

[Vedith]

Can I answer?

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not until they have

Will it be scummy of me to do so?

[Vedith]

Well lucky for you I'm helpful \o/

[Vedith]

but 334 is just nasty.

Is this serious?

[Vedith]

I'm sure everyone's excited.

[Vedith]

Nero so cute!

[Vedith]

Interesting

[Vedith]

Hmmn

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
would you be willing to get of a roster lynch today

I really don't get how people can't see Rooster as Scum here.
And id lynch elsewhere to prevent a no lynch yes.

[Vedith]

I'm not town reading Vedith. WTF?!?

This is the dream

[Vedith]

Joges and sash is tvs

Possible.
But why else is Joges Scum here And sash town?

[Vedith]

Not a priority flip for me. Not nearly as much discussion regarding him as other slots like you, eyes, and Jibril.

Flipping Scum d1 is flipping Scum d1 in my eyes.
But sure.

[Vedith]

I wonder how many Scum are on my wagon.

[Vedith]

Well originally I thought that Profii had a good chance as Scum.
Now I think it's just lean.

Did I mention to you all that Rooster is Scum?

[Vedith]

I’ve been saying it’s jibril’s time
Since I got here

There's a reason you're ignored over it.

[Vedith]

It's a bad vote.

[Vedith]

Nero always so angry.

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Hey, I hear you. Who am I to judge?

[Vedith]

Something we can agree on.
People I won't vote.

Eyes, Jibril, Nero, Lycan.

I can compromise else where as no lynch is tragic.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Emperor flippyNips

[Vedith]

never said you won't vote yourself!

Oh you!
Personally I think I'm a terrible lynch. Even over a no lynch. Not worth explaining as it would be doubted.

[Vedith]

You are a claimed VT

You realise the post I responded to was you asking for a fake claim?

[Vedith]

Your singular scum"hunting" doesn't seem very protown to me.

You are trying to lynch me for poor reasons. Even if it was a real scum read you're singular scum"hunting".
At least my reason on Rooster is valid.

[Vedith]

I'm not sure what I was thinking with Vedith town exactly.

Because it looked like a nice opportunity. And you're scum.