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Post Post #5  (isolation #0)  » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:10 pm

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Wagonomics, why?
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Post Post #28  (isolation #1)  » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:28 am

You know that hing where you look away before you see that someone has ninjaed you, and you need to click again to post, and you don't realize it happened until hours afterward? That happened. I was going to say this:

"I would think this is exactly the type of game a death miller might show up in. Which means it's also the perfect game to fake-claim death-miller. But why would anyone fakeclaim that?

"Does donut invest lineup with flavour though?"


And now I'll read everything else since.
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Post Post #29  (isolation #2)  » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:35 am

hing = thing

Nothing else to say, except I agree about the likelihood of the thread becoming long.

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Post Post #85  (isolation #3)  » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:18 pm

In post 75, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 74, Party Boat wrote:
In post 72, CheekyTeeky wrote:Porkens can be town too.

no

why would you think this


Our wavelengths are on point.

That could just mean you have similar personalities. Or maybe you're both scum but on different teams. Or on the same team, and trying to mislead us.

In post 31, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 5, TheBrie wrote:VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Wagonomics, why?

Long time no see, dear warrior! I look forward to fighting alongside all my allies and exterminating our enemies. To battle!
VOTE: wagonomics
No room for logic on the battlefield!

Okay, we can be allies then. I might even unvote you at some point. It's nice to be back for one game.

In post 82, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 42, profii wrote:I am

Ausuka, koki, Vonflare are also here.

Idk, I think we have a lot of players to get through in a month. Maybe multiball will knock the numbers down to balance things out


What makes you think this is multiball?


Past experience with other games Xyzzy has run with this flavour indicates Multiball is likely. I don't expect this to be particularly similar as it is just flavour, but we've got 24 players, so I highly doubt it isn't multiball. Also, the sample PM says factions plural.

(I'm not sure we had plain townies in the other Echo Bay game. More evidence this game is nothing like it.)
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Post Post #97  (isolation #4)  » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:30 pm

In post 96, CheekyTeeky wrote:Ok let me put it this way.

I was pinged by Brie's entrance. I continued to observe people to see if anyone else felt the same and it looks like Porkens did.

What makes it towny coming from porkens is the simple naked vote - getting straight down to business and not trying to look overly towny.

Brie's reaction escalated quickly from "it could be a personality thing" to "maybe they're both scum." Under little pressure and with missing logic.


'Maybe you're both scum' was a joke. Basically I meant that there was all manner of silly reasons you could be on the same wavelength without even trying to figure out what that wavelength was.

I assumed the vote on me begin earlier and unexplained was just RVS, and didn't even take notice of who it was from.

Note to self: Don't make jokes, because they're never understood.
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Post Post #98  (isolation #5)  » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:34 pm

In other words, I don't consider a naked vote on page three of a game this size, to have anything serious to do with my single tiny post on page one. I'm surprised you did. That just seems to clutching at threads.
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Post Post #119  (isolation #6)  » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:18 am

In post 100, CheekyTeeky wrote:Why wouldn't it seem like clutching at threads? I literally am as there's nothing else to go off.


Eh, true. At least you were doing something. I was stringing random stuff together without even a thread, and looking like I had conclusions.

Starting a spreadsheet now to keep track of read. Cheeky is Town. What his name who voted me hasn't done enough to be read, and I'll sort everyone else as i feel like it, and whe

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Post Post #218  (isolation #7)  » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:00 pm

Two pages ago I was rather liking Varsoon, but now, not so much. His reasoning for not especially hunting in the hood seemed sounds, to me, the stuff about multiball throwing everything offf... Sure he's allowed to dislike multiball, but I'd think he should know how to scum hunt in multiball by now, so it seems rather stupid what he's saying.

In post 192, Varsoon wrote:Furthermore, it's PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to balance against the swing inherit in a multiball setup.
I have NEVER seen it done.

You expected the game to be balanced?


I'm liking sheepsaysmeep.

Oh, and does anyone know what Wagonomics is about? His whole wagon value thing just seems weird. Like he's busy playing his own game of randomness on top of the main game. It doesn't give a read either way, but still weird.

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Post Post #220  (isolation #8)  » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:15 pm

In post 179, Party Boat wrote:
In post 177, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 46, Leodanny wrote:Hi I’m here not lurking just V/LA

this self consciousness that it might be interpreted as lurking sort of bothers me

and i v read varsoon outing the neighborhood on the belief that at least one of the people in it is a wolf

i understood it to be less that varsoon thinks at least one person in there is scum and more that if there is, it'd be bad if people interpreted him not outing it as 'varsoon thinks his neighborhood was town/mostly town' or that the theoretical scum member might try to use his silence to their advantage later if he didn't out it

if leo had proceeded to make like just 1-2 posts after saying it would maybe bother me too but him actively participating while V/LA is pretty decent, even if they're not particularly useful content atm

@xyzzy- i'm voting Wisdom



Agree that's it's not very useful content. It's mostly vague questions. Anyone here played with leo before?



In post 8, vonflare wrote:I'm a miller donut invest ty


@Vonfalre I understand miller. I understand death miller. But I really don't know what donut invest means? Could you explain?

I'm trying to decide whether it's too weird to be real, or too weird to be made up.
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Post Post #224  (isolation #9)  » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:44 pm

What does do not invest mean then? Makes a little more sense flavour wise, but mechanically?
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Post Post #250  (isolation #10)  » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:02 am

In post 225, CheekyTeeky wrote:It means "don't investigate me."

Invest = investigate. I shouls have realized that, but instead my mind went to banking. Thanks.

In post 241, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 221, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: Kokichi

In post 222, CheekyTeeky wrote:Varsoon feels like noncaring town. Bad wagon.

Awful posts. Didnt explain the vote on me or why varsoon felt like uncaring town. This could be scum trying to WK varsoon. Hmm

What's WK mean? I've still not got a handle on all the terms people use.

In post 245, Wisdom wrote:definitely some scum on this wagon

Are you say that because you don't think the wagon would get this far with only town, or because you suspect anyone in particular? (oh, cheeky asked while I was writing the post. Well he's a list of who is on the wagon. You're welcome.)
If I counted right, there's four votes on Varsoon.
Profii didn't have the best reasoning, Sheep is town in my mind, Kokichi I have trouble reading partly because I don't like his name or avatar, or something, I really don't understand it. And Jaylow's vote seemed opportunistic, and it's lacking in reasons. Basically he said Varsoon is responsible for the two things we've talked about.


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Post Post #251  (isolation #11)  » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:04 am

In post 200, Varsoon wrote:
In post 197, Kokichi Oma wrote:Yes varsoon. What will you do? Do you know why I voted you?


'cus I'm awesome and you're mean
I dunno man.
It's a 24p game and my role is "You can talk to people privately about smash bros"
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Is that really your role? On top of the neighbour thing? I am skeptical.
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Post Post #255  (isolation #12)  » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:09 am

Re-reading Profii's argument it sounds better than it had before I think I must have only skimmed it before. I'm not say he's right, but he sounds sort of convincing.

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Post Post #284  (isolation #13)  » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:50 am

In post 257, CheekyTeeky wrote:I don't know why but Kokichi's "I forgot to vote him" is pinging me as uncharacteristic. Not sure I like his reaction - accusing me of WK'ing is pretty funny. Even if it were logical to WK (White Knight @Brie) in multiball I don't see how that benefits my position as scum sticking my neck out that early.


Now white knighting is when as scum you defend a town person, correct? In which case he's sort of claiming Varsoon isn't scum. Not the most coherent argument. And as scum together, I wouldn't see you defending him at this point, not that I can see you as scum right now.

In post 282, Wisdom wrote:id prolly easily fool sheep as scum

Oh, probably. So you're telling us that sheep's read on you is useless to us then?
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Post Post #339  (isolation #14)  » Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:55 pm

In post 336, Varsoon wrote:Can I get someone to be my vote/wagon broker?
I am not good at playing the markets.


Me neither. Wagonomics is just weird. I should probably do meta on him.

In post 308, Nancy Drew 39 wrote: Collapsed to shorten the post.
Spoiler:
In post 305, Nancy Drew 39 wrote::eek:
In post 287, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 232, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 180, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 169, xyzzy wrote:sheepsaysmeep replaces Porkens.

YEEET


Oh good, it looks like Cheeky may have been right on Porkens.

Liking Cheeky, sheep and Brie so far I think.

wat


Which part?


Cheeky townread Porkens, who was sheep’s predessor and I think sheep is town here.


Though I also think sheep is town (Not great town though), Cheeky's townread on porkens was based on one post which only contained a single vote, that lined up with what Cheeky was thinking at time. That's a NAI post, possibly leaning slightly to town, as Porkens did add any kind of excuse and scum tend to that sometimes. Cheeky being right on Porkens seems like dumb luck.

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Post Post #341  (isolation #15)  » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:04 pm

In post 337, hebichan wrote:Honestly, I think we should be voting on the 100s.


Is that because the people you think are scummy are in the 100s, or because it's better to go for less obvious scum earlier in the game, or some such mechanical thing?

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Post Post #342  (isolation #16)  » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:08 pm

And there I go forgetting that wagonomics is a new alt and has no meta.

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Post Post #347  (isolation #17)  » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:35 pm

In post 345, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 325, Wagonomics wrote:KokichiCoin has further depreciated in VALUE


wth i haven't even done anything so far this game. have i?

So that was all nothing? You can't deny that you've been talking about Varsoon and all that. (And if I'm understanding wagon properly, he thinks you're less scummy now.)


In post 346, Theta Alpine wrote:wow

that actually caused a lot more discussion then i thought it would
not yet sure about my reads after that though
a little bit tired at the moment so it is a bit hard to put two and two together

however i will say i am slightly town-reading emerald now [i was about to say gamma but there are two of them in the game]
emerald appears to be doing some amount of player sorting which at this stage of the game is important

i would also state that party boat is probably town
i believe they are fishing for reactions with those votes


What caused more discussion than you thought? I hadn't thought this had spring boarded from anything you said.


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Post Post #361  (isolation #18)  » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:49 am

In post 359, CheekyTeeky wrote:Ausuka
Gamma
Hebi
Kokichi
Nancy
Sheep
TheBrie
Varsoon
Vonflare
---------
Overkill
Edosurist
Jaylow7
Leodanny
Party Boat
Profii
Purrcocet
Singletonking
Theta Alpine (probably SK)
Vaxkiller
Wagonomics
Wisdom
Xtoxm


Is that town above line, and null to scum below the line? I see you've got each section in alphabet order. Theta SK, because she mentioned they might exist? Flavour-wise it does kinda fit, but I hadn't noticed, until I looked with that in mind. I did see someone else mention SKs as a faction. Let me see who...

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In post 320, 0verki11 wrote:
In post 265, sheepsaysmeep wrote:that doesnt actually confirm multiball in any way?

it's very technical but that could be translated as "members of any potentially existing opposing factions"

You do realise that things like Serial killer are 1 man factions right?

Meant to comment on it at the time, but got distracted by something else. It's significantly after Theta, but doesn't feel like he picked it up from there. it sounds very matter of fact, but still, he was thinking of them, and doesn't arise completely naturally from what sheep said.

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Post Post #511  (isolation #19)  » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:57 pm

First half of catchup, second coming after lunch.

In post 362, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 361, TheBrie wrote:Is that town above line, and null to scum below the line? I see you've got each section in alphabet order. Theta SK, because she mentioned they might exist?


Kind of? Like people I wouldn't lynch today and null/can die.

Yeah the mention and I find some posts awkward so not town. It's still early game though so it's more a note for later. My main concern is not allowing scum above the line - Sheep is probably my biggest concern but I'm going to sheep Nancy's read until I see reason to believe otherwise.


What concerns you about sheep? I've not looked at his meta, but the one thing I noticed is his reads don't seem the best. Not terrible, but not great. Shorter posts, tending towards short observations, and subtly attempting to stop wagons.

In post 374, Gamma Emerald wrote:my problem with waiting for others to contribute is then the more active people clog up the game thread
that's why I advocate for faster early days


I don't want to drag it out too long, but being quicker isn't likely to push those people to contribute more.

In post 414, Ausuka wrote:is it just me or does leo wagon feel too easy? it's like everyone in the thread rn agrees on it and he feels like newbie lynchbait. also sounds kinda genuine recently past his obvious tonal wakwardness.

VOTE: gemerald is where i lean so far, i feel like his iso is like trying to produce content to the point where it's not immediately obvious that he isn't, and he definitely has a lot of posts, but most of them feel more like posts for the sake of posting than anything else, like the exchange about cheeky being right about porkens; don't get what that was meant to accomplish and honestly most of his posts don't feel like scumhunting at all, the exception being his recent push on Leo where he first opposes it but then switches and sticks to the anti-leo position hard?

wagonomics account is great honestly and has me pocketed


Hmm, Emerald is doing lots of taking, but not pushing anything. Thanks for pointing this out. I'll be watching.




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Post Post #512  (isolation #20)  » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:27 pm

In post 433, Vaxkiller wrote:I'm caught up. Only thing I didn't really like was Varsoon seemingly wanting to lynch within his neighborhood to find scum... seems like something the scum in the neighborhood would want to do.

Wagonomics can meme thier way to the end of the game for all I care


But Varsoon was arguing against lynching specifically in the neighbourhood. Huh?

In post 467, Wagonomics wrote:
In post 445, Gamma Emerald wrote:LeoCoin gathering several investors you are predicting it will depreciate. Do you believe it is a bubble wagon? Do you think investing in a bubble wagon is a bad idea? I personally feel diversifying through the day could be good, in which case investing early into a bubble wagon doesn’t seem like a bother to me.


That is the question of the market right now. I believe LeoCoin very well could be a bubble wagon. In general, I do think investing in a bubble wagon is a bad idea, unless you buy early and then sell before the crash. But that sort of behavior also risks a SEC investigation.

The depreciation of LeoCoin is not purely a result of his current investors but more his response to my observations about his IPO.

His recent V/LA post also seemed like it might not end up a scum flip or a green flip, but perhaps one of those wild card flips whose value is hard to evaluate.

In post 462, Vaxkiller wrote:Also, scum have insider trading, this is bad.


In the event of a scumflip with some real winners, there is always the chance of an SEC investigation.

And that's it for now folks, the Conference Call is coming to an end for today. Thank you for your time and questions :)


I think I understood Wagonomics for once. He think the Leo wagon is likely to collapse. And he thinks the V/LA post indicates he might be a 3p. Where did he get that from? All I get is that Leo doesn't seem to care that he's got a whole lot of votes on him. He's got a couple of posts where he actually tries to look useful, but even they fail.

For example, this post:
In post 439, Leodanny wrote:Hey Vax, what do you have to say about your wagon actually being a higher value than mine(according to wagonomics)?
P-edit:
1: Hebichan; in the span of two or three posts, goes from suspecting a one poster to sheeping the person that said they would sheep her, nice one.
2. Varsoon what are you even doing? I can’t understand why your role would just be the ability to speak about Mario without the entire mafiascum community knowing.

Ok thanks stop ninjaing me now
P-edit: why are there more ninjas?!?


Point 1 about Hebichan was not original, and point 2 is similar to a question I asked. It's all derivative.

Then you've got the voting Kokichi. I can sort of understand why he's voting kokichi over wagonomics, in that he think he was aiming for someone with a similar activity level to his who also hasn't done much. Wagon has significantly less posts. But once again, I think it's an attempt to look like he's doing something, and he failed. Though Kokichi weirdly said he'd not done anything, he's contributed more than Leo.

We can't do much with Leo while he's V/LA though, so I'm going to go look at some other people for a day or two. Though I'll be on less myself due to the weekend. And then we can come back to Leo. We mustn't let him off our radar just because he disappears for a couple days.


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Post Post #515  (isolation #21)  » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:48 pm

In post 492, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 440, CheekyTeeky wrote:I expect PB to obvtown at some point.


I feel good about him being town. He’s been pretty solvey so far, don’t you think?


He one of those players who looks like he's messing around, but actually gets stuff done, right? Because he'd not really struck me as towny, but the solvey stuff is there if I squint. And I'm sure you're not all three scum, so I'm going to borrow the read. Theta read him as town too, according to my notes.


In post 510, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Vax and Ausuka are also pinging me. I don’t like her Wagonomics’s honesty comment, it didn’t really make too much sense to me, and Vax, keeps shading Varsoon, yet voteparked on sheep - and has yet to give even a single reason for voting him.


Pretty sure the vote on sheep was RVS, and he's been to lazy to move it. He said there was no reason in his third post. Agree on the shading Varsoon though. Completely inaccurate.

Ausuka's Wagonomics comment read like she just meant she loves him, and is aware that she's unlikely to lynch him whatever. And the comments about Emerald are kind of convincing to me. I keep trying to find a flaw in them, say they're overstating it, but then I ISO Emerald and little things ping me, and I find myself not wanting to unvote.
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Post Post #516  (isolation #22)  » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:00 pm

In post 514, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 511, TheBrie wrote:What concerns you about sheep? I've not looked at his meta, but the one thing I noticed is his reads don't seem the best. Not terrible, but not great. Shorter posts, tending towards short observations, and subtly attempting to stop wagons.

@thebrie have you made a conclusion based off of these observations you have? i cant actually tell what read you have here

also can you talk about which reads in particular


I still have a definite town lean. As for which reads, I was mostly going off a an earlier impression, but I think I've found it again.

You vote on Varsoon felt a bit weak here. You didn't say why you were uncomfortable.
In post 217, sheepsaysmeep wrote:so im basically caught up

it was a quick skim with breaks in between so i prolly missed things but theres a depressingly low amount of exciting things actually happening and all of my thoughts on players are weaker than i'd like

stronger reads that i feel ok with rn are vonflare, cheeky as villagers and pretty uncomfortable with varsoon

VOTE: varsoon

have some iso's that i want to look at later once school is out


And it's a little odd in light of this earlier post. You seemed to be agreeing with Varsoon stance then. Granted this is ISO, and I'm not lookinjg at what Varsoon might have done in between.

In post 209, sheepsaysmeep wrote:fwiw i usually just find hoods nai outside of the rare case of clearing someone in a confirmed hood where everyone else has already flipped scum

lynching inside of that hood is likely a bad idea or just not worth the risk



While here's something I noticed, because I'm thinking along those lines myself now. You picked up on Gamma Emerald (At least I think that's who you mean by Gamma), not actually being very solvey. What's your opinion on him now?

In post 243, sheepsaysmeep wrote:looking at postcounts this game, gamma and varsson lead substantially yet (acknowledging that i rushed my read and prolly glossed over quite a bit) i remember no real solving content from either of them which is a pretty good simplification of my varsoon w read

(Oh, and you do explain Varsoon here, to so i kind of get it. Most of what I said was becasue I was trying to figure out why Cheeky would be less confident about you.)

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Post Post #560  (isolation #23)  » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:45 am

In post 530, hebichan wrote:
In post 523, Wisdom wrote:potato = newbscum


So no reason not to kill it then?

I can very well see sheep being scum too. His latest posts seem really panicky when brought up against Varoon there, and that large post of his basically made no sense to me, dunno if it did for anyone else.

How did Varsoon react poorly to pressure, sheep?

VOTE: Sheep

The post was a little confusing, but more in a 'sheep just isn't very coherant' manner than a scummy manner. I don't think Varsoon is as bad as I think sheep is trying to make out, but the point that we shouldn't just forget about him when he went quiet under pressure is good. Varsoon honestly hasn't really scum hunted. And now he says he's not going to be very active.

I don't think people were jumping wagons to shift attention off Varsoon though. Leodanny made his wagon appear by being terribly without any external interference.
Yes, sheep is confusing. Trying to analyze his post makes me sound confusing too.


Is there really anything Leodanny could do or say at this point that would make people not want to vote him? And if not, is that entirely a good thing? I'm pretty ready to lynch him, but there's a part of me that hates the idea of anyone being doomed even in mafia. Unless they've done something interesting to doom themselves. Whatever. I'll do it.
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Post Post #681  (isolation #24)  » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:13 pm

Leo, just try to tell us what you think about someone. I actually like your Emerald vote, but you must have thoughts on other players, and just because you're voting someone I have a small scum lean on doesn't mean you're not scum. That's exactly what I would do as scum in your position.


As for Varsoon, right now I'm just getting bored, and really not trying. Especially if it's true that he's usually more aggressive as scum. I can't scum read him just for not doing much that's really useful if that's not his general scum play.



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Post Post #711  (isolation #25)  » Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:03 am

About Gamma Emerald, I've said he's not really scum hunting or pushing anything despite all his posts, and he could do more as town. But he could also do more as scum. It's been too long since i've played with him, or really anyone here, for me to have a good handle on his play style.
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Post Post #738  (isolation #26)  » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:36 pm

In post 718, Leodanny wrote:
In post 701, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 680, Leodanny wrote:Isn’t town implied?

Why do you see one “hell no” as overreacting?

Why can’t it be both a sheep and OMGUS?


Because he asked you for reads. Why would you react so strongly to that?

It could be but you still haven’t given a reason for it but it’s your refusal to give reads, is the more concerning part of it. Why would you be opposed to that?

My word choice really needs to be better.
Anyway, what I meant was I didn’t have three reads, I have too many townreads. Not that I wouldn’t give him my reads.


Well why weren't you giving us your townreads? Why weren't you saying that before we pushed you about it?

In post 737, Party Boat wrote:mmk

why do you trust Ausuka and TheBrie? Do you think they've done things that looked particularly town or do you have previous experience playing with them?


I've never seen Leo before this game. So that ain't why he trusts me.


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That's how I was reading Wagonomics too. Though there's no coin to get.

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Post Post #764  (isolation #27)  » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:16 am

In post 757, Wagonomics wrote:So far the representative for VaxCoin has invested in SheepCoin and VarsoonCoin, neither of which are properties I see as particularly promising. His joke posts about post numbers did make me somewhat wonder, since I have seen Low-Value VaxCoin make similar jokes in the past, but overall I would say VaxCoin still has significant investment potential.

That actually makes sense. Wow. Much claps.

And Vax is definitely someone to watch. Not really scum yet, but not getting strong town feels.

As for Jaylow, that post was terrible, but I'm not lynching anyone for a single post. I'll give him a second chance to hang himself, or not. Of course if he doesn't take it, and turns into a permanent lurker... Well, we'll see what happens.

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Post Post #891  (isolation #28)  » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:04 pm

I also don't see Theta counterclaiming as scum. Unless Theta felt certain that Leo was giving a fake claim, which scum wouldn't.

I don't trust the neighbourhood.


In post 566, Xtoxm wrote:L-2 already? That's not what this game is about guys!

If I die n1 look into Varsoon I'm not explicitly townreading him here

That does not sound like something one says about a fellow mason. I suppose it's not 100% confirmed that all masons are town, but I don't think this game is that screwy.
I still am inclined to trust Nancy though. Nancy, is the neighbourhood a masonry?
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Post Post #892  (isolation #29)  » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:05 pm

In post 887, Purrcocet wrote:VOTE: sheep


Sheep
Vars
Wisdom
Kokichi
vonflare


Is that supposed to be a list of scum?
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Post Post #901  (isolation #30)  » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:44 pm

So you want Wagon to be able to vig someone?
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Post Post #928  (isolation #31)  » Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:04 pm

In post 905, Edosurist wrote:Meh, let's lynch Gamma.

Other possible scum include Vax and Kokichi.
Town include Nancy Drew, Hebi and Ausuka.
I'm slightly lean-town on Wisdom and Varsoon now.

I don't think the profii kill was from town, but the Cheeky one potentially was. I still doubt it cuz my bet's on multi-ball.


Lynching Gamma doesn't sound like the worst idea ever. Rest of those reads: similarish to mine. Leaning less scum on Kokichi yet because I really don't know how to read him yet. And a less town on Heib, and even Ausuka. And regarding Nancy, I still need to figure out what's going on with the neighbourhood. Xtoms (I know that's not spelled right) posts are not all consistent with it being a masonry as he and Varsoon claim.

Profii kill was odd because he'd not done much besides vote Varsoon early on. No one really had reason to be afraid of him. And Cheeky? You think town killed Cheeky? Scum killing Cheeky makes sense.

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Post Post #1109  (isolation #32)  » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:17 pm

In post 1028, Trekkie99 wrote:
In post 894, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Theta
While his CC was odd I really feel like we need to follow this other wise we set a bad precendent, plus if we’re wrong it says a lot about the setup

This lynch is unnecessary. If theta is town she will be killed soon enough by scum because of her claim, and if she's scum then we'll have a more concrete read on her if she's still alive in the next day or two because obviously scum can't kill their teammates (of course that is unless this is indeed multiball).


I think that makes sense. I think we''l have to kill Theta sometime, but not today. However, if she is town, scum would certainly rather let us lynch her, than have to kill her themselves. And I don't know how that might influence their play. So I really don't know.

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Post Post #1111  (isolation #33)  » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:44 pm

My comment of when to lynch Theta was strangely relevant considering I hadn't read recently. As a btw, my general feeling on Theta was town, but continuing to assume town as the game goes on, is too high a risk. The reason I think it was a genuine CC, is because Leo probably would have been lynched without it, so scum wouldn't be stupid enough to CC. Unless it's some weird town-cred gambit, that i really don't see coming from Theta.

I like trekkie's entrance and analysis, though he does seem to have been a bit stuck on getting that answer from Emerald. Agree about Vonfalre's claim seeming genuine.

I'm was liking Kokichi better than I did before, as he's at least doing a good job of explaining some of his actions. But reading the older posts makes me doubt again. It's interesting to note that Sheep is defending him now, and they were town reading each other on the previous day. They were both talking about Leo a lot, but didn't really interact with each other much.
Xtoxm hasn't really explained why he thinks Kokichi is scum, or why anyone is on his purge list. His play style annoys me. And Varsoon is just sheeping xtoxm.
I still am confused by both of them claiming the neighbourhood is a masonry, and Nancy saying that it's not.


Ganski seems good.
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Post Post #1112  (isolation #34)  » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:45 pm

Oh, and Jaylow is certainly not improving. Where is that catchup?
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Post Post #1150  (isolation #35)  » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:09 pm

In post 1131, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
The neighbourhood is 100% NOT a masonry.

And still tr you.


I 100% believe you. But what do you think about of Varsoon and xtoxm claiming it is? Everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that this disagreement is here, and I don't know why.

In post 1148, Purrcocet wrote:VOTE: Kokichi

In post 1126, Party Boat wrote:uuugh it feels like there's six-seven people trying to play a 20 player game

friends please come in and do things

I'm frankly pretty fine not lynching either of Gemerald or Kokichi over a lurker atm, esp. Jaylow (and I feel that wagonomics is pretty town and from his lurkercoin list Edo also feels like a fine choice)


If I understand you correctly, you'd rather lynch a lurker than a scummy (or not so scummy) player? The wording was just slightly unclear.

In post 1118, light_ganski wrote:
In post 1115, sheepsaysmeep wrote:at least what gammas doing wrt theta

rarely every vote there while varsoon is literally just skating by doing nothing


This pretty much wrt varsoon lynch > gamma lynch


Agree, though what Gamma is doing amounts to little more than nothing.

In post 1123, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 1119, light_ganski wrote:
In post 1057, Xtoxm wrote:my neighbors can be spared the purging as i would like to play my role, but yes i am aware scum exists in there


this gives me super bad vibes

im just gonna put you in the scum pool this game because i feel like trying to work with you will not be worth the headache


You're reading people as scum, just because they get a bad feeling about you, and it's too hard to work with them? Seriously? That's not a real read. Are you every trying to convince anyone?

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Post Post #1208  (isolation #36)  » Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:56 am

In post 1197, sheepsaysmeep wrote:is a varsoon/xtoxm team too easy

because it feels too obvious but not relaly too obvious to be true idk


True. But I find Xtomx extremely annoying. I've go the impression (From his sig, and other peoples relations, too lazy to do meta), that this isn't out of character for him as town. I don't like him, I don't like how he sheeps Varsoonj, i cannot get into his head. But Varsoon is scummier. And Jay is scummier. A replacement there would probably just cause insurnaces. But as someone said, active is better. Or worse.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Varsoon

Explain yourself Varsoon. Explain why you claim the neighbourhood is a masonry.
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Post Post #1356  (isolation #37)  » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:18 pm

This whole thing makes Vax look bad because he came out of basically lurking to follow this claimed result very eagerly. I don't blame him for following it, as I was half convinced by Varsoon as I read it. It was well done, the fact that he has lying low could explain any prior inconsistencies, and the explanation that he was sheeping xtomx just o see what his reaction was. That's still the most reasonable explanation for that sheeping. But actually claiming his role didn't sound so convincing. Which is why he pulls back and calls it a gambit. If he'd not pulled back, I might have ended up voting sheep, because though I've generally been TRing there, Sheep does have problems, and there's truth to those arguments. (Someone will ask me what that truth is, I'll post it later sometimes.)
Anyway back to Vax, I thinks it's more that he became active here that what he actually said. Timing, not tone. He came and jumped on a potentially easy wagon. Tone doesn't seem scummy. Not that I'd call myself a great reader of Vax machines.

Now with Varsoon replacing out, and why, it gives a tonier feel to him. Not sure that to do with that.
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Post Post #1397  (isolation #38)  » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:42 am

In post 1387, sheepsaysmeep wrote:gamma wagon is a big nah but would lynch with 4 people disliking that slot rather than a 2 poster


You saying you don't think Gamma is a good wagon, but you'd still lynch there because other's don't like him?
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Post Post #1420  (isolation #39)  » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:15 pm

In post 1398, Vaxkiller wrote:Considering they referred to the slot rather than the person, I would think disliking meant scum reading.


Oh, I did mean scum reading. sheep is prepared to vote a wagon they don't think is good, just because of the scum reads of others. That's what I thought they were saying.
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Post Post #1621  (isolation #40)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:12 am

Been busy. Work, life, I'm tired. Read to the bottom of page 58. Will finish catch, up but probably not all today, as I've still got things that ought to be done. Gut likeing Flavour feaf for now. Should do meta on Trekkie. I alread ythough town there, and this confirmation seems good, whatever Flavours alignement.


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Post Post #1622  (isolation #41)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:18 am

End of 59. I see good points here. And if I hadn't mentioned, I'm reading PB as town.
In post 1468, Party Boat wrote:
In post 1466, Party Boat wrote:Flavors posting has been fine so far but I don't see anything that couldn't come from scum just genuinely looking for another scumteam

I can elaborate on this later if anyone wants but I really really dislike varsoon trying to excuse his earlier lurking/bad play with the cop claim when he was claiming it, and considering how adamant he seemed about sheep being scum and that his reason for claiming it was 'proving me wrong' about people being willing to vote sheep I really don't see why sheep claiming vanilla would give varsoon a town read on him - I think it's more likely that varsoon originally thought sheep was probable other scumteam and the unvote after the unclaim was just to try to stay alive when his claim started to fall apart.

actually i have one more thing I want to add to this

Most of the Varsoon/Gemerald conversation right as varsoon replaced out I think WAS genuine on varsoon's part but was also based on shit that is not relevant to varsoon's alignment (varsoon being genuinely upset about gemerald's 'as a person you're worse than me' comment)

Like the only reason I think could be legit to read varsoon as town for replacing out there is just: it would be shitty of varsoon to botch a fakeclaim as scum and then dump it on a replacement.
But I also think regardless of his alignment that varsoon has both not really been into this game and didn't want to deal with Gemerald negatively, and I kind of doubt he'd take this into serious consideration compared to those first two things but he also could have thought as scum that he was almost certainly going to get lynched for fakeclaiming and botching it if he stayed in the game but there'd be a reasonable chance of a replacement turning things around for his playerslot/team.


Or, and relating to something Flavour said mentioning Wisdom, what do people think of Wisdom? He's been less noticeable in this game, than I'm accustommed to. I'm not used to forgettign he's there. And when I remeber that worries me. While usually he just worries me in general.
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Post Post #1623  (isolation #42)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:29 am

End of 61. The more Flavour insists he's obv town, the more suspicuoius I feel. On the other hand, He's got good points here, and my town read on Ganski is crumbling to pieces.
In post 1514, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 967, light_ganski wrote:
Spoiler:
Town
ganski
theta alpine
hebichan
wagonomics after the claim
Weak town
the brie
sheep
nancy drew
singletonking (I guess? this is barely more than null)
ausuka (my gut was scum but I don't trust my gut)
Eh
vaxkiller
wisdom
kokichi
Weak scum
purrcocet (again... barely more than null)
party boat
gamma emerald
0verkill
xtoxm
Scum
jaylow (his one post was godawful)
vonflare (this one is for the death miller claim then disappearing, should policy lynch if we don't decide on anyone else)
varsoon



Puts Varsoon, Vonflare, and a lurker as the scum, and then has xtoxm, Gamma, and party in lean scum.

Vonflare is lynchbait, party vs Varsoon are going at each other while in same neighborhood, xtoxm doesn’t make sense as scum with varsoon, that’s way too buddy buddy, and Gamma is the counter wagon.

VOTE: Light

I’m going to here. I await your response.


He's right, these reads, especially now, which is some hundreds of posts later, don't hold together. Ganksi's been quiet lately.

In post 1515, Flavor Leaf wrote:Although, I feel Sheep has scum claimed this game by staying on me, but yeah.

Sheep knows more than anyone in this game how controlling I can get as scum.

This wagon would not still be on me, or there would already be a counterwagon by now if I was scum.

When Sheep and I were scum together, I stated every little thing to him to help and try and benefit us all, including putting together a fake claim with wording, so he knows how controlling I can get as scum when in less than desirable positions.

On top of this, I know the majority of the players in this game and a scum hasn’t flipped yet. This implies I don’t have scum partners helping me out. You wanna know who doesn’t have scum partners? Town!


This game moves slow, so off wagonning, and conterwagonning, wouldn't happen at the usual rate.
And I don't understand the last paragraph at all. Why does no scum having flipped yet, mean Scum!flavour couldn't have scum partners helping him out? I don't get it.
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Post Post #1626  (isolation #43)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:55 am

Well, I did get through it all. Actually an example of poor life choices, as my blog post is a month overdue, but whatev. This is tired Brie posting. Like nealry falling slepp. And I've heard my person type act sort of druck when tired. Not that I can compare.
In post 1580, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 1573, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1571, sheepsaysmeep wrote:im like 95% sure that xtoxm/leaf are wolves rn though


individually both scummy but associations look terribly w/w esp with varsoon

honestly it feels correct for the lynch today to be inside us 3



In what world do Varsoon/Xtoxm act the way they do together as W/W.

That’s scum you trying to connect multiple of us together to set up a multiple mislynch path.

You are bringing up Xtoxm now as a scape goat to get the Sheep vs Flavor relief.

ive been pushing xtoxm/varsoon for a while

the cohesion between the two was out of nowhere but super apparent and it felt like they were two different slots but acting like a hydra and very unnatural

The Cohesion and sheeping was weird, but too weird for a scum team. Scum mates don't act like that. I think.

In post 1583, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 1580, sheepsaysmeep wrote:the cohesion between the two was out of nowhere but super apparent and it felt like they were two different slots but acting like a hydra and very unnatural

varsoon outed the hood at the start specifically so people could account for unnatural cohesion between hood members
but you failed to take it into account in your read
because your read on our slots is fake
also failed to take into account our game history + friendship

Good point. But I'll grant that though I was stuck on the neighbourhood/masonry claim thing, I really wasn't thinking about how that meant you could talk where we couldn't see.

In post 1596, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1173, Party Boat wrote:tbh I feel Xtomx just coming in and saying something most people disagree with and then leaving again is townier than what varsoon's doing atm

a lot of it is b/c I have way higher expectations for varsoon than the borderline nothing he's done this game since early d1 but like I very much expected varsoon to actually have shit to say about the game by this point


Sheep is clearly obtvtown here. I’m not liking the pushes on him.


Why so obv? Or are you say back then he was obv, so now he... what are words again?

In post 1624, Wisdom wrote:not ai for me to be forgettable
just means im not interested


Mmm hmm. As I said, if you were active, I'd be worrying for reason. Cause you Wisdom.


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Post Post #1804  (isolation #44)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:02 am

Why's everyone have to get mad at everyone? 'm really not liking people replacing out. The more the Flavour Nancy altercation heated up, the less I knew what to do with either of them. Cannot read anymore.

I like Jingle and Saudade's entrances. I think I'll just forget about Jaylow for a bit, and read them each as new player. Possibly better for my sanity. Have a better feeling about Jingle, though that might be an avatar thing. (It's a nice Avi. The old one always made me stupidly dislike him.)


I'm having trouble following Flavour when it comes to Gamma Emerald. Her was solidly town reading him, then just switched to scum reading him, and I can't see why. (Unless sometimes he meant PB when he said Gamma, and I don't think that's what's going on.)
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Post Post #1898  (isolation #45)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:56 pm

And now I'm letting Nancy and Flavour persuade me that they're both town here. Gamma town, Jingle town, liking Saudade less, but I can't even make an argument that convinces me there. Except for the Jaylow thing which was a scummy entrance.
Sheep, Sheep is too much to think about. Purrocet has always rubbed me the wrong way, but I'm 90% certain it's due to post style. Kokichi and Theta are to be left until tomorrow. Xtomx, sort of wish he was still replacing out because I can't read him. (hmm, strategically not replacing out. Mostly kidding.)
I''m just tired and don't feel like killing people right now. And I can't remember the other players. There's Wisdom, and is there anyone else? Oh, Ausuka I think. Dunno about Ausuka. So basically anyone who's struck me as scummy I can't trust my reads on.
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Post Post #1900  (isolation #46)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:24 pm

In post 1899, Trekkie99 wrote:Thank God for deadlines in normal games...

At this point I'm in for lynching gamma or sheep but not flavor. I like having him around


What's your arguments for Gamma and Sheep? You might be able to convince me since I'm not voting anywhere else.


Also, there's too many people in this game. I've got a town read on Trekkie, but I kinda forgot his existence...
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Post Post #2001  (isolation #47)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:43 am

In post 1978, Vaxkiller wrote:Conspiracy theory:
Xtom rescinded their replacement request because the entire scum team replaced out, but he likes the new scum team replacements.


Naaah.

Prodge post here. Busy weekend, life, stupid stuff.

I don't think I mentioned Vax in my lasts reads (or lack of them) post. I'd been uncomfortable with him earlier, but I liked his tone when he was interecting with Varsoon. (Though the timing was bad. Lately, not so great.

Also, what happened to Theta? We said Theta would be self resolving, but with so much else going on... I don't know what scum will do if Theta is town, and I'm worried about why Theta has been inactive. Probably lack of interest, but Theta, if you're town, do come be helpful.
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Post Post #2002  (isolation #48)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:58 am

Actually on Vax, he seems kinda careless and guileless, but his votes are all of the place, and he's not hanging onto consistent thoughts. Which still doesn't mean scum. Bother. i was oping I'd find a better reason to vote him. Better than Nancy, Ausuka and oh, someone else, also voting him.
And looking deeper his hard TRing Flavour, then changing to voting him does make sense, but Flavour wagon wasn't going anywhere, so he's gone somewhere more useful.

Nancy, you quoted two posts from Vax, when you voted him, but you didn't give an explanation. Why do you think he's scum? It's not because he's voting your precious sheep?
(Granted, the post hwere he vote's sheep is one of his worst.)

Vax, why are you voting sheep? And why do you think Gamma's vote on you was bad? (Other than it being on you, and you being firmly convinced of your own innocence. (Or faking it. Take your pick.))

Gamma is actually doing stuff to push the game forward. Trying to get people to vote (Which I'm still not) and I think he's town.
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Post Post #2026  (isolation #49)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:38 am

Also, why do people think Xtomx said this?
In post 1576, Xtoxm wrote:when are getting a new wagon value chart btw
i feel like the value of vaxcoin crashed a few pages back


Xtomx, what do you think of vaxcoin now, and why did you think it crashed? (Higher values equal scummier right?)

(Came back to find I'd not posted this last night. I've not read anything since my last post.)
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Post Post #2027  (isolation #50)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:41 am

In post 2005, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:P.edit. Just reread your post, it seems that your main reasons for scumreading me, Ausuka and ___ are our votes on Vax? How is that ever a good reason to scumread anyone?

I may be hard townreading sheep but unlike you, I’m not making the bizarre illogical leap, that all votes on him, are necessarily scummy.

I could also vote Gamma or put my vote back on Saudade or maybe even you because I find your Vaxwagon=scum, very concerning.


I did not say I was scum reading you for voting Vax. I'm not even hard towning Vax. I was just saying that I needed to find myself a stronger reason to vote Vax, than sheeping people I think a kind of townie.

(Still haven't read the rest of the game. Long day of work tomorrow, but I'll try to get it all read in the next 24h.
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Post Post #2028  (isolation #51)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:46 am

In post 2004, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2002, TheBrie wrote:Actually on Vax, he seems kinda careless and guileless, but his votes are all of the place, and he's not hanging onto consistent thoughts. Which still doesn't mean scum. Bother. i was oping I'd find a better reason to vote him. Better than Nancy, Ausuka and oh, someone else, also voting him.
And looking deeper his hard TRing Flavour, then changing to voting him does make sense, but Flavour wagon wasn't going anywhere, so he's gone somewhere more useful.

Nancy, you quoted two posts from Vax, when you voted him, but you didn't give an explanation. Why do you think he's scum? It's not because he's voting your precious sheep?
(Granted, the post hwere he vote's sheep is one of his worst.)

Vax, why are you voting sheep? And why do you think Gamma's vote on you was bad? (Other than it being on you, and you being firmly convinced of your own innocence. (Or faking it. Take your pick.))

Gamma is actually doing stuff to push the game forward. Trying to get people to vote (Which I'm still not) and I think he's town.


He makes a post that tin foiling about the entire scumteam being replaced and then he votes sheep. How does this make any sense to you at all?

And why are Ausuka and me in particular, good votes?

Because I’m good at reading sheep off of meta and therefore don’t want to lynch one of my strongest townreads? Yeah, I can see why you’d find that suspicious. :lol:


I said the sheep vote was bad. I didn't say that made sense. His interaction with Flavour, makes sense looking from a certain angle. And i do tend to play Mafia by making a hypothesis about someone's actions, then seeing which one fits what i actually see best. 'cept sometimes I really can't tell which story in more reasonable.
(I really better read everything before I make more posts, but I probably will find something else to respond to.)
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Post Post #2029  (isolation #52)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:48 am

In post 2009, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Actually, did I misconstrue your post? You meant better reasons to vote Vax, not that his voters were scum? If so, sorry about that and scumread on you retracted. :oops:


Knew I should have read more before responding. Exactly what I meant. Apology accepted. I was starting to feeling like you were misrepping me.
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Post Post #2030  (isolation #53)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:50 am

Oh, wait there wasn't that many posts to read. Sorry for the block of posts. Gammas' claim is interesting. I'm inclined to believe him. But i need sleep. (nearly 11pm)
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Post Post #2096  (isolation #54)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:02 am

In post 2069, Flavor Leaf wrote:Does anyone else have any mad paranoia with Nancy slot?

Sort of. But then she reassures me. Currently I feel good on Nancy.
In post 2044, Kokichi Oma wrote:My ic activates at night and reveals day 3. Dont block me n2 just in case


That's a really stupid post to make. Are you trying to get blocked? If I was a role blocker, I'd be tempted to do it. Probably wouldn't in the end, but I can't know. And activating night 2 doesn't make sense. Sounds like the weirdest IC ever. I'm suspicious. (But there's the fact that fake claiming IC is a strange and deadly gambit balancing out my skepicism.)

In post 2050, Party Boat wrote:aight nancy next

so if you made me guess now I'd say I think Nancy's town but I think that her playstyle (overly emotional, tons and tons of kind of Frozen-angel esque posts) is really hard for me to read, especially early game.

Like her posts are a little light on content/depth but are generally fine-good imo, it just feels like she's playing in a very different way than I do in that it feels like she's kind of making in-game friends/enemies and then sticking to them for a bit rather than separating out people's content/appeals to her from whether or not she thinks they're likely scum and though I think the tone and general reactions to things feel more town than not, I'm not going to be confident in her being town until there are a few more flips and I can separate out some of her interactions into *her talking to town* and *her talking to scum* and see if they look different.

TheBrie:
I don't really like her #560 post about not wanting to vote a 'doomed' player even though she thinks leo is scum. I feel like her push on varsoon feels like scum pushing someone they know is scum for towncred? Like most of my read on her is just that a lot of her posts feel posturey and it's really hard to tell if she believes in anything she's saying given that she hasn't voted anyone in like a week. She def. took her time in Echo Bay Grits to shoot if I'm remembering that correctly so it's not really out of character for her to waffle about stuff like this I think. I do think her reads are alright from what I remember? But she also was very willing to shrug off previous scumreads (varsoon and jaylow/saul in particular, of which maybe I'm wrong on one but I REALLY think at least one of those two is scum) basically just for them replacing out (viewtopic.php?p=10642554#p10642554 for varsoon, also said she'd just give saul a pass and forget that jaylow was in slot later on).
She just has tons of things that feel more like commenting on the game rather than trying to solve it and I think that's a little more likely to come from scum. I WOULD really like to see her boldly put out a lengthy readslist with reasons considering that it feels like she's waffling on everyone in the game right now though.

light_ganski:
is a SNEAKY MOFO as I know from echo bay grits but her scumreads are good and her towniest reads are good and her reactions to in-game things are good
she just needs to post like literally twice as much for me to be comfortable calling her town or she's maybe just scum posting legit thoughts but lurking most of the time because it's the best scum strat in the game
I'd say more likely town than not but POST plz my friend I beg of u


I like you're analysis of Nancy.

I said Id' temporarily ignore the fact that Saudade was Jaylow, but in practice, I've not forgotten, and Saudade is making me a little uncomfortable, and I probably should vote there. Waffling is something i pretty much always do. Pick any game, town or scum.

Waffling comes from a mix of hard to read players, my town reads not agreeing, and not playing a proper game since May. Most recent games are this one as a VT: viewtopic.php?t=76400&f=54&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=29095&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go
And this one as scum: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=76380
And Red Flag as scum lynched D1. viewtopic.php?f=52&t=75952
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Post Post #2099  (isolation #55)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:27 am

In post 2093, Xtoxm wrote:what you have to remember, jingle, is that party boat is scum, and everything he says is bullshit.
i had a bromance with varsoon in the hood.
who btw was townreading me and hes a better authority on my alignment than anyone in this game, and probably anyone on site that hasnt quit.
everything else is pretty much in both places i think.


Why is Party Boat scum?

I don't trust you or Varsoon, so that's not going to convince me you're not scum. Maybe he can read you, but though Flavour is working into my confidence currently, I'm doing nothing with that read, except to possibly draw connections between you two. What Flavour is saying about you defending him not making sense from scum does make sense. You two don't look like scum together, so i suppose I'll have to call you town.


Why do I keep attempting to trust people i like? As i said before, Vax looks kinda guileless. But that's because he doesn't seem to know whats going on, and claims he would be paying more attention as scum. Why do i trust him there?

This is currently Gamma Vs. Vax. Both of which I've had uneasy thoughts on. I'd still like to believe Theta's claim, and trust those who say Theta wouldn't fake CC (on that matter, not saying I trust them period). Yet, I don't really see Gamma fake claiming either. If felt townie. Interestingly my early doubt about Gamma, thoughts about how he was only looking like he was doing something were started my Theta. Theta couldn't have known that Gamma would be sort of CC the CC she'd not yet given, so that gives me nothing. Probably just coincidence. Gamma doesn't feel like scum paranoid of being lynched though, nor like he's actually trying to push a wagon on Theta. Though possible because it wouldn't move. Still why fake CC Theta if it's not likely to go anywhere?

VOTE: Vax
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Post Post #2184  (isolation #56)  » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:18 am

In post 2100, Flavor Leaf wrote:Vax is locktown. ScumVax wouldn’t be getting rung up here.


Is Vax town just because a wagon wouldn't be forming on ScumVax, or is there some other reason for your read that I missed.

In post 2133, Party Boat wrote:also jingle if you wanted me dead before wait til you read this

now that we have what seems to be just about an ACTUAL FUNCTIONING GAME I'm gonna start jumping between wagons on my scumreads for a bit in the hopes of making an actual wagon happen that can in turn make things happen in the game

So everyone plz pretend that my vote is on all of Flavor/Saud/Ausuka for right now because it might as well be
VOTE: Saudade


Where's your Ausuka read come from?

In post 2134, xyzzy wrote:mastina replaces Theta Alpine! wow no more replacements ever*

*I can dream


Yay, Mastina. (Do I know how to read Mastina from experience? Nope. Do I feel confident that Mastina couldn't trick me? Nope) But I like Mastina, liked the entrance, and I already had Theta as a town read. (Do I feel confindent that no one could trick me? No, that would be stupid.)

In post 2158, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2109, Wisdom wrote:ill lynch gamma, ausuka or singleton

leave vax alone


Why is single scum? Don’t understand Ausuka either but I really don’t get the single sr?


Single hasn't really done much at all. Actually one of the players I've kind of forgotten about. I suppose scum could be hiding there.


We're going to miss you Nancy. Also are you now implying that you do think Flavour is scum? Because it sounded kinda like that, and it would be nice to know what you're thinking.
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Post Post #2188  (isolation #57)  » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:27 am

In post 2126, Enter wrote: makes profii look bad...

profii is dead... that makes varsoon look bad


Good point. Also for what it's worth, Profii had Nancy, sheep and Gamma as TRs here:[url]=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10605343#p10605343 #365[/url]


Just did ISO on Hebichan. Leaning town, but hard to read. His jumping back on the Leo wagon wasn't the best (Like what he said about it before he did it), but a lot of us made mistakes on Leo. What hebi was was kinda lazy. Which i get the feeling in Hebi style. It's take someone who knows him to read him.
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Post Post #2190  (isolation #58)  » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:30 am

In post 2185, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: ausuka


Do you have an argument, or are you just being silent Wisdom and expecting us to figure it out, or not. Cause if we can't see why Ausuka is scummy, it's not your fault.

Stupid broken link in my last post.
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Post Post #2214  (isolation #59)  » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:40 am

In post 2206, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2204, Wagonomics wrote:Saudade is a more promising investment than Light, I think.


Probably, but like I said, he's my Ryan.


What actually does that mean? You get along?

(I really don't get references. You wouldn't get mine if I made them.)


And I agree with Wagonomics here. Saudade has the Jaylow, scummy posts, and his own haven't made me think better of him. While Ganski's posts... There's certainly something in what you said, but not quite to the same degree. Actually to be honest, i kinda just like Light as a player, for reasons outside of this game. Probably the other Echo Bay game in which i can't remember her alignment. So objectively, there's not much difference. I still have my scummy feelings about Vax, but your and Wisdom's insistence that he's town is wearing me down there. He's not going today. But it's better to vote after sleep when I'm less tired. So in the meantime, uou didn't really answer my question about why you say Vax is town. Ts it just that scum Vax wouldn't be getting wagoned?
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Post Post #2215  (isolation #60)  » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:49 am

In post 2211, singletonking wrote:
In post 2044, Kokichi Oma wrote:My ic activates at night and reveals day 3. Dont block me n2 just in case

I forgot something
I really disliked this post suddenly mentioned by Kokichi, it feels like a setup for WIFOM

I still continue to dislike Kokichi's posting, and while I get that Kokichi will be self resolving come D3, this is really something too scummy to ignore


Single is provisionally town for this. Not the first one to mention this, but this post feels genuine, rather than picking up on what Nancy (I think?) and I said, and actually makes me feel stronger about Kokichi. He had better really be a proper IC, because if he's got some other weird way of proving his role, I'm not believing him anymore.

(all my reads are slightly provisional, because I can't help but consider other possibilities, but this one is not strong enough to stand long term without further support.))

In post 2210, singletonking wrote:Day really needs to end ASAP.
NGL when I first joined the game I thought it'll be a low commitment game b/c no deadlines
But I realise I still have to read every post of the game
And this game is going to be longer than most other games

VOTE: sheepsaysmeep


Every single post. And then I have to find space in my head to keep it organized. I feel you. But I don't feel like rushing to end anything, though I probably should.
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Post Post #2255  (isolation #61)  » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:15 pm

In post 2235, Jingle wrote:I mean... Kokichi's request to not be blocked is NAI. If town, he either does or does not have an active night role. If he does, he wants to stop town from antisynergy. If he doesn't he wants to goad a scum rb into wasting a shot on him. If he's scum, he wants to have an out when he doesn't show as conftown tomorrow.

Discussing that atm is a waste of time.

Also, feel free to roleblock me, I don't have any super secret additional powers that activate at night. ;)

Point.

In post 2240, mastina wrote:
In post 2184, TheBrie wrote:Yay, Mastina. (Do I know how to read Mastina from experience? Nope. Do I feel confident that Mastina couldn't trick me? Nope) But I like Mastina, liked the entrance, and I already had Theta as a town read. [size=75](Do I feel confindent that no one could trick me? No, that would be stupid.)
:neutral: What'd you like about the fluffiest of fluffy entrances? My entrance was so full of fluff that it'd trigger animal allergies from all the excess mixing with air particles.

In post 2226, Xtoxm wrote:like i told you the ic is bullshit
hes done the exact same thing before, right down to claiming it can be roleblocked
could be a scum fakeclaim or a town fakeclaim
either way he'll need to be lynched
Which worked out so well the last time he was lynched. :roll:
My stance is actually the opposite--it is indeed most likely a fakeclaim, regardless of town or scum. But either way, he shouldn't be lynched.


I'm very fond of fluff as long as something good comes along with it. Honestly I was just glad to see you, and not be annoyed. I don't know any other the other replacements, and half of them annoyed me just by their post style.

Why don't we lynch fakeclaiming!Kokichi?


In post 2253, Kokichi Oma wrote:Has mastina always been in this game lol


She does seem very caught up. That VCA and summary is useful, though I less than half understand it.


From Vax's recent posts, I don't want to lynch him.
UNVOTE:

Comprehensive muddled reads post and a vote coming after lunch.
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Post Post #2259  (isolation #62)  » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:13 pm

Town in rough order of strength. I'm sure there's at least one scum hiding in here, but haven't figured out who.
Party Boat
Mastina
Nancy (Kinda paranoid here though.
Wisdom (No more paranoid than I usually am regarding Wisdom)
Trekkie (Not posted for too long)
Jingle
Enter
Flavour (this low, because I'm completely paranoid)
Sheep (I'm torn with who to sheep on this, cause I can't read him well myself, but get more of a gut town feeling.)


Nullish to kinda scummy.
Kokichi (Just don't get him)
Ausuka (What have they actually done this game? i can't remember)
Vonflare (Leaning town, but there's just not enough for me to have confidence.)
Purrocet (playstyle annoys we so i want them as scum)
Vax (pulled up from scum.)
Single
Xtomx (Still flip flopping on him.


Strongest scum.
Light Ganski
Saudade


VOTE: Saudade


Oh, there's Vonflare. Where'd he come from?
Vax's posts about wanting to get his feelings on Kokichi out.
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Post Post #2344  (isolation #63)  » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:04 am

In post 2343, mastina wrote:Sure.
VOTE: Saudade.
Lil' skeeved out that it has TheBrie and Trekkie making sketchy votes joining it, but it's a wagon I can support overall.


Were is your scum read on Trekkie coming from? POE with you vote analysis. or somethign in their posts, that everyone else has missed. Cause no one has said a lot about Trekkie. I think the genrally lean was town, but I am by no means keeping track of everyone's reads. Then Trekkie has kinda disappeared and stopped being that helpful townish player, and everyone has been to caught up with everything else (or behind with everythign else), and e've not really noticed.

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Post Post #2349  (isolation #64)  » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:33 am

Resistance to voting them, or if they flip town? Pretty sure you mean the first, but I'm tired.
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Post Post #2403  (isolation #65)  » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:49 am

Two options:
1. Mastina is scum here trying to stop us lynching scum, by saying she think's they're both town.

2. Mastina is town who now thinks they're both town, but not hopeful that we'll lynch anyone else.

Actually three options:

3. Mastina is scum trying to get towncred for objecting to a lynch she knows is town, but thinks will go through anyway.

I don't really know Mastina's play, but wouldn't it make more sense to bus for towncred here? I don't think she's scum protecting scum. That doesn't feel right. I highly doubt Mastina is of the same alignment as the two wagons. Maybe one, but not both. AndI still townread Mastina.



In post 2402, Purrcocet wrote:Vaxkiller is also a good lynch

That push on Ausuka is really flimsy and 2316 doesn't make sense


Spoiler: post 2316
In post 2316, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2287, Ausuka wrote:
In post 2222, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2044, Kokichi Oma wrote:My ic activates at night and reveals day 3. Dont block me n2 just in case


I don't like this at all. Why would scum (or anyone for that matter) block a claimed IC? You SAYING this, ESPECIALLY after gamma just claiming roleblocker is friggin HIGHLY suspect. Why would town you do this? The answer: they wouldn't.

if you don't think anyone would block kokichi, what's scum!kokichi's motivation for saying this at all?

Wisdom is scum too btw.


I think you might be scum ausuka. Your thinking here seems to show you KNOW kochiki is town and cant see him as scum. scum!kochiki knows hes not an IC, so he has to make up something, and saying stuff like , "lol i hope i don;t get blocked cause it activates at night lol" is an explanation for why he WOULDN'T be an IC tomorrow.


Agree, the post don't make much sense. I thinik Ausuka's point is that it there's no reason for town!kokichi to say this, and Vax seems to be sayign that it only doesn't make sense if you think kokichi is town. But when someone makes a post that only makes sense as scum, Ausuka's reaction (or why would you say that if you were town) is perfectly normal.
(For the record, there are some potential reasons for Kokichi to do it as town, so it's nearly NAI, but that's besides the point of Vax and Ausuka)


In post 2400, Trekkie99 wrote:Anyone who is not desperate for a lynch makes me suspicious, and feel that we might be close to lynching a scum.


Note this for when flip happens. Something strikes me wrong about it, though I can't tell what. Objectively, I see nothing, but something about the pressure it it... I really have no idea. But something.

In post 2395, Purrcocet wrote:Hey hey hey no one said anything about a vig shot :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


If Purrocet does have a vigshot, how are they going to use it? Just on their own discretion, or get input? (If input, make sure it doesn't take too long. We could have forever, but we odn't want it.)
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Post Post #2426  (isolation #66)  » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:22 pm

In post 2404, Party Boat wrote:
In post 2403, TheBrie wrote:
In post 2395, Purrcocet wrote:Hey hey hey no one said anything about a vig shot :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


If Purrocet does have a vigshot, how are they going to use it? Just on their own discretion, or get input? (If input, make sure it doesn't take too long. We could have forever, but we odn't want it.)

why type this out honestly

purc basically just said 'hey my ability isn't a vigshot'


Purr sort of implied that. Didn't explicitly say. So, if anyone has a vig shot at some point...
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Post Post #2427  (isolation #67)  » Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:02 pm

In post 2424, mastina wrote:
In post 2403, TheBrie wrote:I don't really know Mastina's play
You and me both. :P
But I suppose I can clarify.
I am townreading Saudade not off of the slot's content--but general thread feelings about the slot compared to Ausuka. There's a term for that, but I can't quite remember it. Essentially, my sense of situational awareness screamed at me, "THE SCUM ARE DIVIDING THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE". And they wouldn't care only if both wagons were a mislynch.

This is why I haven't unvoted. I don't vote townreads that I am townreading off of play, but I'm not townreading Saudade on play. I could always be wrong. My analysis had Saudade as a decent candidate for being scum by play, and that's why I'm staying for now. I am hoping I am wrong. I am hoping that Saudade's slot is scum.

It's just that the circumstances surrounding Saudade vs. Ausuka scream, "the scum don't really care which of these two gets lynched".

In post 2401, Purrcocet wrote:That's a.. interesting post mastina but i guess it works for my purposes
Now help me bus sheep
You apparently misread.
sheep's town.
If as I suspect Saudade is town, you're scum.


Yeah, the apathy around the lynch is rather a lot. And if Saudade does turn out to be town, we don't even get useful information from him being town, cause he's not said much. With Ausuka, we'd be able to look back at interaction and reads and see what's going on. But I'm not voting there, because I'd rather town!Ausuka be alive. Maybe Saudade is 3P. The apathy could make sense with that.

Has anyone here played with Saudade?

Why's Purr scum if Saudade is town? Do you think Purr is trying to line up a mislynch on sheep after this? I suppose that could be read out of what they said. But Purrocet at least is one of the people who is actually attempting to run wagons counter to Saudade and Ausuka.
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Post Post #2430  (isolation #68)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:24 am

BTW, I'm not saying I really think Saudade is 3P. I'm just tossing every idea I have onto the page, as i do sometimes.

Kokichi, someone wants to wait for Purr's 30 day ability to activate. Just a little longer. It's probably worth it.
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Post Post #2601  (isolation #69)  » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:19 pm

UNVOTE:
Redoing my reads list. Drawing from the other one.
Town:

Party Boat
Nancy
Flavour (Growing less paranoid about this one. He's certainly not trying to pocket me.)
Wisdom (No more paranoid than I usually am regarding Wisdom)
Purrocet (Congratulations! I've decided you can be town. And I think it's visible in my posts, that I've slowly been drifting that way. I promise (as if people believe promises) I didn't jump here just because Purr says I'm town. There wwas the fruit thing which feels town to me, and a bunch of other stuff. And I think one of the main things about Purr that annoyed me was constant jumping on Sheep which I now don't think is a problem, whichever Sheep's alignment.)
Jingle
Enter (Barely in town not null. Most of what he's done could pretty easily come from a scum player. But I like him, and what reads he's given fit with mine okayish. If Mastina is scum, Enter is town.)



Torn in two (Those I either wish were town, but am afraid aren't, or have been creeping up, bu I'm not ready to put in town yet.


Sheep (I'm torn with who to sheep on this, cause I can't read him well myself, but get more of a gut town feeling.)'
Xtomx (I've been starting to think he is town.)
Dannflor (I like him. I kinda want to sheep his reads. But then, he was Saudade and Jaylow, and all this could still be coming from good scum. i want him as town, I feel it would be stupid to immediately stick him there. As it's been said, his handle on the game seems almost too good to be true.)
Mastina (Kinda feel like i was getting pocketed here, even though Mastina had me on her scum list. She's not been pushing her scum reads much really,
and the scum read on me was something I expected to get from some players.Anyway, Mastina had her potential scum team list, but the only one she's pushing much she admits might be town. And Xtomx. Though that's more arguing that actually pushing. The reads just seem to be their to have a scum list that because she actually thinks they're scum. Which she admits somewhat given that they're POE from her VCA of rubbish.


Nullish to scummy.
Kokichi (Leave him til tomorrow)
Trekkie (Still not done much content recently.)
Ausuka (Sort of liking Ausuka's minimal stuff lately, but still not got a handle on this one.)
Vonflare (I was leaning town from really earlier stuff, but since then he's done nothing. I'm not saying he's scum, but he's useless. And he still seems to think we're in Day 1.)

Vax (Kinda scummy in my mind again,)
Single (not particularly scummy to me, but not done anything I've noticed as towny.
Light Ganski (Scummy, but i can't remember a particular reason?)


And I'm not having full scum category because it's all gotten a bit blurred.

So do I vote Vax, or find someone else? I half want to vote Mastina.
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Post Post #2624  (isolation #70)  » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:41 pm

In post 2621, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2434, singletonking wrote:Honestly though Xtoxm is triggering me a lot as well so idk


And Jingle. Wisdom is probably just bad town here but eh.


Jingle's triggering you? Why?
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Post Post #2640  (isolation #71)  » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:10 am

In post 2636, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2624, TheBrie wrote:
In post 2621, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2434, singletonking wrote:Honestly though Xtoxm is triggering me a lot as well so idk


And Jingle. Wisdom is probably just bad town here but eh.


Jingle's triggering you? Why?


He seemed very upset about the Dann wagon collasping and I still think he seems different here than in OK 1.

People unvoted Dann for good reason, so why is Jingle so bummed about that?


Point. I think it was just being fed up with the day going so long. Sounded kind of joking to me. Like he id want a lynch, and that was a lynch that we was happy with, and if we're not going to do that one, we better get another quickly. Kinda blatantly lynch happy in a way that i don't think scum would do. Apart from that I've been getting a town feel from his recently posts. But I'm drawing from no meta. I've played with him, but I think it was all mishmash, and don't remember it that well.


(Wrote this before/during Mastina's last two posts, and got tripped up on the post review. Again. But here it is now.)
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Post Post #2643  (isolation #72)  » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:32 am

In post 2638, mastina wrote:
In post 2574, Flavor Leaf wrote:Like having stances on things just for the sake of having stances
No fucking shit?
I'm a replacement who has read the first five pages, the mod's iso, and the content since I replaced in--with most of the immediate content since I replaced in not having been useful to me as it made use of content prior to my replace-in that I have no context for.

When have I implied my stances are anything other than having stances for the sake of stances?
Because that's precisely what they are, and you shouldn't expect anything else.


That does explain some things. Didn't realize how little you had read.
In post 2562, Dannflor wrote:Isn't it kinda suboptimal to lynch a claimed PR when players like Sheep and Vax exist?
Since it's publicly known I'm a jailkeeper, can I just chime in with my expectation that almost every player in the game is going to be a PR?

Like, we're not talking by-the-book, literal, role madness where there is no VT--but where the VTs in the game are token additions, paltry padding in an otherwise PR-centric game?

As in.

This game had 24 players; I'd expect about 4 total VTs, PR heavy?

I think this is quite likely, and also a completely NAI thing to say.


mastina wrote:
In post 2581, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I could argue that really smart scum only sr the more mislynchable players and pocket obvtown.
What do you suppose Purrcocet's locktownread of you would be then?

In post 2581, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:She obviously does or else she wouldn’t have given me fruit N1.
The problem with Purrcocet is the following.
Follow along with this.
Okay.
So do you agree:
A town player with a fruit vendor role wants to not fruit vend to the nightkill.
You agree with that, right?

Okay, so a town player wants to not fruit vend to the nightkill.

Purrcocet sent fruit to you.
You obviously know that, right?

Okay, so Purrcocet sent fruit to you.

Purrcocet was townreading you as obvtown, right?
Okay, so Purrcocet sent fruit to you, when you were obvtown.

...Why weren't you a nightkill possibility to Purrcocet?

That is the point I am raising. If Purrcocet thought you were obvtown, then Purrcocet as town would want to avoid fruit vending to you for fear of you eating the nightkill.

In contrast, if Purrcocet is scum who sent fruit to you, knowing who the scum are nightkilling, Purrcocet would know you weren't the one who would die, thus, Purrcocet would know you'd be alive to receive the fruit.

That makes a lot of sense. There was risk there. I think Cheeky was more Obv town, and i don't think it was publically said Nancy was Obv town, but certainly a risk. You're assuming though that Purr would have thought it through to the same conclusion.
And did Nancy say Purr was reading her as obv town to everyone? Just that Purr was TRing from the start.

[quote=Mastina]

In post 2588, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I don’t understand. How are Purr and Dann remotely linked?
I have strong reasons to scumread Purrcocet; I have strong reasons to scumread Dann. However, the scumreads are mutually exclusive, because they simply don't work as scumbuddies given the myriad of interactions I've picked up across the game.

Obviously they could both be town, but that'd mean my scumread on both is wrong and I don't think it is. Well, I think one scumread is and the other isn't. The reasons they don't work as scumbuddies is basically all the stuff I've been talking about. The way votes have unfolded, the general aura of the game, they just don't work as partners but they both, separately, individually, work as scum in spite of me knowing only one of them can be.


What are you reason for SRing Dan now? I understand before the replacement, but now?

If i was trying to pocket you Mastina, it failed immediately.

Where's you Vonflare Town read come from?
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Post Post #2760  (isolation #73)  » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:22 pm

In post 2752, Wisdom wrote:too bad
we dont want to lynch trolls, we want to lynch scum
leave the jk alone and vote ausuka


I'll vote Ausuka if I see an Ausuka case. No, I'm not asking you for one.

In post 2757, Dannflor wrote:Ausuka is just looking to push anyone that won't get herself killed regardless of who it is and isn't hiding it

like I said, town survival instinct, I think scum plays smarter than that most of the time


I sort of think Ausuka is one who would be smarter, but not all scum are. I know I've done of of the stupidest things do avoiding dying as scum. And avoiding getting killed by jumping on the counter wagon isn't even stupid.

In post 2758, Jingle wrote:
In post 2757, Dannflor wrote:regardless of who it is


Narp.

Vax was an easy target and Wis is unengaged and tunneled on her. I on the other hand was doing the exact same thing as Wis at the time and she was ignoring my push on her to focus on Wis's. She's specifically not pushing anyone.


As town, shouldn't she be pushing something? I'm puzzled as to what point you're trying to make here.


Also, we need a vote count. I don't know what Mastina is at, and i don't want to accidentally lynch her. I don't think we're there, but... Also the whole Theta/Jk thing is making me slightly hesitant. Cause I was leaning town strongly with Theta, and Those thoughts haven't changed. On one hand, I'm not sure things would resolve the same way as they would with Theta, on the other hand, if Mastina is a Town JK, scum won't want to keep her alive. So logically we should leave Mastina until tomorrow.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

He's really not improved.
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Post Post #3026  (isolation #74)  » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:50 am

I leave the game alone for an afternoon, and come back to find 10 pages....

Town reads on Flavour and Jingle have become stronger. Their whole debate, just sounds really like town with differing opinions. And I think Gamma is town. Early on he might not have had a lot really in his content, but now I feel he's engaging well now, and trying to help everyone get stuff done.

In post 2765, Jingle wrote:
In post 2760, TheBrie wrote:As town, shouldn't she be pushing something? I'm puzzled as to what point you're trying to make here.


Dannflor is saying she's town because she's thrashing for any raft in the ocean while sinking (which is NAI not town) but she's not thrashing for any raft. She's swimming towards specific rafts while ignoring others that are just as close.

I'd think that's still NAI. Maybe even townie. Because the only ones scum are against lynching in that sort of a situation are partners. She still has clear lynch preference. Conversely, it could be said that you can't really go on all wagons, so she had to pick one over another, and thus it means nothing. (There I just argued myself around to no conclusion.)

In post 2800, Gamma Emerald wrote:Everyone’s being such a fucking stick in the mud whenever someone pushes a lynch they dislike In breaking this out:
@Everyone: what are your top 4 preferred lynches? In order please.
@Wagonimics I want to lynch xtoxm, Vax, Mastina, and Wisdom. I’m aware xtoxm and mastina aren’t scum together ever but there’s plenty of support for multiball both with what has been seen setup/event wise and with how the game is developing. Wisdom I don’t see happening but is one I feel rather confident in.
This also serves as an answer to my own question so thanks for keeping me on top of things.


I want Mastina flipped. I think Vax is scummy, and wouldn't be a bad lynch. But I think there's too much opposition there. And though I'm not seeing a strong case for Ausuka, I'd probably vote there if things went that way, just to get the day over. But I don't think things are going there.

I tend to notice the big posters, the movers of the game for than the quiet ones. Singletonking for example, is a little scummy, but just doesn't rank high enough on my radar for me to really care when there's no deadline forcing me to. So I end up with The Towny, the Meh, and the 'I Kinda thinks they're scum, really want to know their alignment, but I'm slightly paranoid of lynching a great town asset'.


In post 2989, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2974, Jingle wrote:So... Just gonna put this out there. Nanc might not be town. If she's still alive come day 6 or so, look hard at that slot.


Why? I’m not a PR, that’s why Cheeky was killed over me. This theory is ludicrous. Why would scum care about NKing a town neighbour? Have you thought about that?

That’s how I’m so confident on Purr being town. Unlike Jingle, she can actually read me correctly. Which is why she gave me the fruit,

Varsoon claimed to be a PR, and though that was day 2, I think he said something on Day 1. Which on looking for it, actually confirms the neighbours aren't PRs thing. post 200 Basically said he could only talk privately. Which makes me surprised about how many of us believed his cop-gambit. But that's not relevant now. Point is, Mastina's argument there is rubbish, and a lot of her stuff is less solid that it looks at first glance.

So let's let Jingle do his hammer thing tomorrow if he really wants to hammer what he thinks is a bad lynch for today.
VOTE: Mastina



I've never mislynched which kinda surprises me.
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Post Post #3180  (isolation #75)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:37 am

I can see that Dannflor Ausuka connection. It didn't stand out too much at the time since Dannflor was far from being the only one who didn't understand the scum read on Ausuka. Even now I can see enough stuff I could pull together to make some kind of case on Ausuka, but it wouldn't be a solid one.

What I see basically is that Ausuka isn't really pushing anything, and is putting out content just because of being wagoned. She voted for Saudade, but bussing a scummate who's scumread by at least a third (I didn't count) of the players, is up for replacement, and is the only other major wagon is quite possible. She wasn't pushing it, she moved away to Vax quite happily when a wagon begun to build there, still without strong reasons, then moved over to Mastina.
But let's look at a few posts.
In post 2358, Ausuka wrote:
In post 2346, singletonking wrote:I don't prefer lynching Saudade right now, actually. While that slot has done some scummy stuff like Jaylow's Varsoon vote and Saudade acting weird in general, I feel that the slot has a high chance of being lynchbait right now due to the general absence, plus there's a lack of resistance to the wagon. Plus he's getting replaced soon so I see no reason to lynch him for now.

I'd rather lynch Ausuka. Her recent posts and slight uptick in activity seems like scum trying but struggling to produce content in reaction to pressure, given how most of it is talking about scumreading Vax and Wisdom.

VOTE: Ausuka

i have better reads now though? and since i'm a wagon i have to at least try and produce content to make people tr me, that goes for either alignment. And like am I not supposed to talk about my scumreads because that's news to me?


From this one, I don't think Singleton, and Ausuka are both scum. ISOing Single, I lean town there. Town with a low effort style, but town.

VOTE: Ausuka
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Post Post #3182  (isolation #76)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:48 am

Also, on Ausuka I meant to mention that there's a few other scum reads she had early on, but didn't really do anything about. Gamma for one. She started the Gamma scum read, but didn't come back to it day 2.

Also meant to ask Xtomx where his Party Boat scum read is coming from. PB has been around a bit less lately, and thus less towny (less useful to town), but I still want to know why. Meanwhile I'll ISO him and look for his reads.

And on Singleton, I don't remember ever seeing a case made. he's just ended up on people's scum lists.
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Post Post #3188  (isolation #77)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:14 am

So, Party Boat.
In post 2041, Party Boat wrote:let's start with this

BOAT READS (not in order inside their categories)

town
trekkie
Purrcocet
singletonking
Xtomx
Wagonomics (post more tho plz)
Theta

I literally refuse to care until tomorrow for obvious reasons stop voting them for ONE day FUCK
kokichi

I have wanted to lynch these two for this entire like month and a half long day yes I still think they're scum
Saudade
Flavor Leaf

ALL of these people get words about them shortly and are at various points of the town-scum scale. actually let's just do my impressions for now I guess
leaning town
sheep
Nancy?
light_ganski kind of maybe I'm rereading her today so I'll figure out if she stays here or not I guess

leaning scum
TheBrie
Ausuka

I can't remember if you've made a post that leans moderately town or scum in the past month
wisdom
vonflare

we've needed a replacement for like 2-4 weeks now and it makes me sad
hebichan
theta even though he's on the townlist too

Fairly comprehensive history of his reads (At least a quarter of his posts):

Spoiler:
In post 543, Party Boat wrote:my sensors have finished calibrating and determined that the game is going too slow to not vote someone who i think is likely either jester or scum

[v
leodanny[/v]

for the record xtomx leo and Jay are all pretty fantastic votes at the moment imo

if i had an order preference it'd prob be like jay->leo->xtomx but tbf to him xtomx is being non-existent in the neighborhood too which is v. disappointing but prob doesn't make him much more likely scum than his thread posts on their own

In post 709, Party Boat wrote:Leo's still a fine vote, I wouldn't mind hearing reads from Jaylow and Theta and some others too though.

singleton I think is town after rereading a bit

In post 914, Party Boat wrote:i'd be pretty fine with a kokichi or gemerald wagon at the moment

theta's pretty likely to be town

singleton is still town

vonflare and especially jaylow need to do some posts after christmas

that's it for me for a while, prob cya after tomorrow

In post 964, Party Boat wrote:meh

VOTE: Jaylow

it's kind of a lazy vote but i can be less lazy when jaylow and kokichi and gemerald have real reads for me to look at

most of the people actively posting look at least a little town to me excepting the people I've already mentioned and TheBrie. light's megapost isn't tears-of-joy good but like it's good enough to probably leave her alone for a while at least

In post 1053, Party Boat wrote:damn that wagonomics post sure feels town

actually just have a list of people who are town as of recently:
trekkie (tho overkill was secretly still likely town earlier), wagonomics, purrcocet

Gemerald's recent posts feel okay to me. I still would love a couple more reads from him though

vonflare also feels slightly town with his recent posts

dats it

In post 1126, Party Boat wrote:uuugh it feels like there's six-seven people trying to play a 20 player game

friends please come in and do things

I'm frankly pretty fine not lynching either of Gemerald or Kokichi over a lurker atm, esp. Jaylow (and I feel that wagonomics is pretty town and from his lurkercoin list Edo also feels like a fine choice)

In post 1173, Party Boat wrote:tbh I feel Xtomx just coming in and saying something most people disagree with and then leaving again is townier than what varsoon's doing atm

a lot of it is b/c I have way higher expectations for varsoon than the borderline nothing he's done this game since early d1 but like I very much expected varsoon to actually have shit to say about the game by this point

In post 1203, Party Boat wrote:people i'd be very happy to lynch: varsoon, jaylow

people I will not lynch today: kokichi, theta, singleton, trekkie, wagonomics, purrcocet

give me a reason to care about wagoning them or I'll continue ignoring votes on them for the next 2 weeks: everyone else

In post 1204, Party Boat wrote:the fact that profili's scumlist was
--------------
theta
varsoon
Jaylow
leodanny
---------------
makes me even more content with lynching one of varsoon/jaylow

In post 1235, Party Boat wrote:
In post 1233, Varsoon wrote:@Party Boat: Wow, that's really mean
What did I do that struck such a nerve?
Are you guys buddies?

answer the question or do something that actually requires you to put effort into the game

who do you think would vote sheep that isn't already

because I frankly don't think it's going to happen, I'm not interested in it myself, and you doing literally nothing but tunneling on sheep a)makes the game worse b)gives sheep a stronger case against you and c)if you are scum let's you get away with giving absolutely no reads on anyone else in the game

it seems PRETTY BAD to me varsoon

@xtomx- I literally can't remember a single scumread varsoon has had the entire game that isn't sheep. he was the hammer vote on leo. if you can remember any other scumreads he has had feel free to point them out

In post 1273, Party Boat wrote:i still think that xtomx is just...bad. i wouldn't bet the farm on it but eh.

and for trekkie I still think singleton is town too

Varsoon wrote:Was trying to play without claiming to see how people'd respond and interact naturally
Needless to say, your play aaaaint great here, PartyB.

I've given enough reads that I strongly feel that the people actually trying to play the game will be able to read me

If wanted to see how people reacted to it then what else did you get from it aside from me?

B/c if this is how today is going down I can maybe be convinced that you're a cop with a guilty on sheep or at least that it's the right play to lynch him even if I don't believe you since it's a 1v1 but it's not happening without an actual readslist from you first

In post 1301, Party Boat wrote:
In post 1292, Party Boat wrote:
In post 1290, Varsoon wrote:Wanted interactions with Kokichi, wanted to see how Xtox would respond to me blatantly sheeping him.
Town Cop. Result is 'Not Town'.

are you 100% sure about this

In post 1294, Varsoon wrote:@Party: Short of directly quoting my role PM and result, yeah.

@Gamma: You're particularly awful, y'know?

In post 1295, Varsoon wrote:Oh, yeah, I'm also a Town Neighbor, too.

um yeah

why does your rolename not town neighbor cop or town cop & neighbor or something like that

In post 1325, Party Boat wrote:
In post 1313, Varsoon wrote:Instead, look at how people responded and come to some fruitful conclusions.

xtomx looks much worse if you're actually town

vax looks slightly worse regardless of your alignment

I still would like to lynch one of you and jaylow today and you fakeclaiming a cop guilty sure pushes the scale pretty hard in your direction

like lulzy mason claims when we're neighbors I was legit fine with but fakeclaiming cop guilties when you're under pressure is a whole different ballgame of needing death

In post 1793, Party Boat wrote:I do think Xtomx looks moderately better from my point of view than the rest of the game's

Like the complete lockstep with varsoon (and a little w/ flavor before xtomx asked for replacement) is feels a little unwarranted but he does have a few more reads & comments in the neighborhood that make me think he's more likely town than not

plus i think I think part of the reason why he latched onto varsoon is just because xtomx likes varsoon as a player so i could def. see that coming from town

In post 2041, Party Boat wrote:let's start with this

BOAT READS (not in order inside their categories)

town
trekkie
Purrcocet
singletonking
Xtomx
Wagonomics (post more tho plz)
Theta

I literally refuse to care until tomorrow for obvious reasons stop voting them for ONE day FUCK
kokichi

I have wanted to lynch these two for this entire like month and a half long day yes I still think they're scum
Saudade
Flavor Leaf

ALL of these people get words about them shortly and are at various points of the town-scum scale. actually let's just do my impressions for now I guess
leaning town
sheep
Nancy?
light_ganski kind of maybe I'm rereading her today so I'll figure out if she stays here or not I guess

leaning scum
TheBrie
Ausuka

I can't remember if you've made a post that leans moderately town or scum in the past month
wisdom
vonflare

we've needed a replacement for like 2-4 weeks now and it makes me sad
hebichan
theta even though he's on the townlist too

In post 2052, Party Boat wrote:I'll do one bonus one b/c jingle mentioned not liking me for it earlier actually and I lean town on him atm

Theta: is very likely town
first of all, FACTS: theta immediately suspected leo when leo claimed jailkeeper with no mention of it before that, waited until the wagon was dying down to claim jailkeeper himself, and then replaced out shortly into day 2

the argument for town theta: literally everything he did makes perfect sense for town to do in that situation when they think they'll get a scum lynch out of claiming, but want to wait to see if they can get scum lynched without needing to first. replacing out after fucking up and being upset about it I also think makes more sense for town to do than scum, but tbf he also had another reason for replacing out so feel free to ignore this point if you feel like it.

argument 1 for scum theta: he is scum jailkeeper who thought he could get away with counterclaiming a town one for a free mislynch. a) It doesn't really seem worth it for a day 1 lynch, especially when the highest other wagon was at 3 votes at the time so another town player was more likely than not going to be the lynch anyway and they can probably just kill leo either that night or later given the suspicion on him b)it means he's outed as a jailkeeper and is pretty much forced into sub-optimal targets for the rest of the game if he's scum to avoid just being outed as scum, when blocking things like tracker/watcher/vigs/etc seem like much much better ideas

argument 2 for scum theta: he is scum not-jailkeeper who just wanted a dead town jailkeeper. Either he's a roleblocker, in which everything above applies, or just like a goon and would be outed as scum as soon as someone he claimed to roleblock was not roleblocked. SEEMS DUMB.

argument 3: he is a scum jailkeeper, who thinks the game is mirrored multiball, and wants to kill the other scum's jailkeeper. problem: this basically outs him to the other scumteam as also a scum jailkeeper, and he is immediately shot in the face at worst, and at best is still basically outed to the other scumteam. seeeeeeeems dumb.

so like
when the best argument for someone being scum is "he thought it would be a good idea to handicap his scumteam against other PRs to lynch a jailkeeper day 1"
I don't think it's correct. and the way theta claimed comes from town like 96 times out of 100.

In post 2111, Party Boat wrote:I'd lynch Ausuka

can we make Saud do like two things first though

[quote=]"In post 3096, Party Boat"]I'd still be pretty shocked by a mastina scumflip given Theta's play

I still haven't read the past uh 20 or so pages since sunday so I guess I'll do that during night phase

Dann seemed alright in his first read post, I think that was the last bit I read up to - I'm still pretty worried about a potential Flavor/Dann scumteam given how little effort Flavor put into giving Saud a townread (or at least a complete pass for all of today) but if I die for some reason make your own read on Dann since I'm assuming he's posted more in the past 20 pages

I still think that varsoon literally lying to my face while I was calling him out on his fakeclaim is way, way more scum-motivated than town-motivated and that Flavor has been very, very actively trying to cosy up to a lot of people and I don't reeeally think that's only something he'd do as scum but I do think that you should be aware of that when trying to read him

i dunno I feel like most of the shit I want to say I already said weeks ago so maybe I'll talk to ya'll later after some flips I guess[/quote]



Summary of what I took away from reading it:
Pb was adamantly in favour in lynching Jaylow/Saudade and it didn't look like bussing to me. I don't see him being on the same team. He did unvote when Dannflor replaced into the slot, but it feels like giving him a chance to actually be readable, and PB has hardly been seen since then.
Back in day 1, he was scum reading Leo even through the claim, but also trying to get him to engage and give reads.

He also doesn't look like scum with Ausuka.
Was town reading Theta/Mastina, but still felt like he wasn't certain.
Was scum reading Varsoon/Flavour in a way that seems completely reasonable. Even makes me worry about Flavour slightly again.
Has Singleton and Trekkie as town.

Unrelated note: I wonder when Kokichi is going to show up.
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Post Post #3189  (isolation #78)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:17 am

And my formatting is completely broken. Oops. All but the first quote should be in a spoiler, and I have no idea why the bottom text is small.
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Post Post #3203  (isolation #79)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:46 am

In post 3191, Wisdom wrote:dont spoiler quotes that contain spoilers @brie


I probably should have realized that myself.

So you all think Party Boat unvoting the moment Dannflor showed up is an association, and I just gave a case for him being scum. Not the reaction I was expecting. I was trying to make a town case since I had been gut reading him as town, but I suppose it's broken.

Wisdom, can you confirm that you're not dropping your Ausuka scum read?
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Post Post #3205  (isolation #80)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:47 am

In post 3202, Flavor Leaf wrote:There’s also likely scum on the Mastina wagon, and now they’re caught on that wagon like a fly on that fly tape.

@Mastina - yeah, I tunneled. That one’s on me. My bad. I should have pivot’d at the end when I started getting cold feet.


And I had cold feet for a moment, but sheeped your tunnel.
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Post Post #3208  (isolation #81)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:50 am

What's the chances that PB has flaked? What do we do if he has?

Has he posted in the neighbourhood since he last posted in thread, or is that classified?
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Post Post #3212  (isolation #82)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:57 am

I actually missed that Ausuka claimed a guilty. I believe it.
UNVOTE:

Do we want him dead now?
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Post Post #3213  (isolation #83)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:58 am

By now I mean flash wagon quick? And there is a reason I'm not voting.
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Post Post #3216  (isolation #84)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:19 am

Everyone who is around should give try to give more reads before we lynch PB. Just off the cuff. I've not really thought through the associations for mine, and it's not sorted for strength in any section.

Town:
Flavour (PB as scum makes me confident)
Wagon
Ausuka
Nancy (Just cause I ain't trying to resort her now)
Purrcocet (Confidence in Mastina flipping red doesn't sound fake)

Too hard basket
Wisdom (I want him as town, but I can't read him, and he'd bus as scum here)
sheepsaysmeep (No one agrees)

Null to townish:
xtoxm (I just can't, not yet.)
Gamma Emerald
vonflare (dead null)
Kokichi Oma (If we lynch quickly does his IC not get confirmed?)
singletonking (Ausuka being town and PB being damaged my town read a bit. Not destroyed at this point, cause I'm not really looking at it right now.)

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Trekkie99 (Just sheeping Mastina)
Vaxkiller
Enter (Really just sheeping)
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Post Post #3363  (isolation #85)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:20 pm

In post 3351, Wagonomics wrote:@TheBrie, for your reads list in , did you start with your reads list in ?

Sorry if that's an odd question just something I noticed


Not this time. I was mostly going off what I had in my head, so it's kinda similar, but I didn't actually refer back to it. I'd seen in recently though, as it came up when I was looking at everything people said about Single.

Ausuka faking this claim isn't impossible, especially since she was likely going to die otherwise, but I think it unlikely. PB looks like a good invest. And N2 Cop is believable with all these Day 3 Vigs. Also, we're not lynching another claimed PR. PB must die, but I'd rather lynch someone else.

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Post Post #3365  (isolation #86)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:25 pm

In post 3362, Trekkie99 wrote:
In post 3352, xyzzy wrote:Vaxkiller has died, and was a town fruit vendor.

"Who threw that?!"


That was Kokichi. That's how he proves his role Day 3. i don't beleive the D4 IC rubbish either, but I'm not gonna vote him.

Oh, surprise! I'm also a day 3 vig. So I kinda thought Kokichi might have been. But just how many duplicate roles are there? We've got Gamma Emerald with his Roleblocker claim that's similar to JK, two fruit vendors, four day 3 vigs... This si a Xyzzy game.
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Post Post #3369  (isolation #87)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:29 pm

In post 3364, Party Boat wrote:
TheBrie wrote:
In post 3351, Wagonomics wrote:@TheBrie, for your reads list in , did you start with your reads list in ?

Sorry if that's an odd question just something I noticed


Not this time. I was mostly going off what I had in my head, so it's kinda similar, but I didn't actually refer back to it. I'd seen in recently though, as it came up when I was looking at everything people said about Single.

Ausuka faking this claim isn't impossible, especially since she was likely going to die otherwise, but I think it unlikely. PB looks like a good invest. And N2 Cop is believable with all these Day 3 Vigs. Also, we're not lynching another claimed PR. PB must die, but I'd rather lynch someone else.

Kill: Party Boat

I'm flipping town but congrats on at least being more competent than fucking kokichi and shooting one of me/ausuka/flavor

lynch them both, figure out the last after, my guess is light just b/c I think flavor would be bussing someone here to set them up for lategame and light has been really underwhelming, but I also have basically no read on Enter/hebichan either. other chances for last scum are like Nancy and mayyybe Gamma Emerald.


Bother. I believe you here. Thanks for the reads. Yes, Flavour is very sus if you're town.

And Wisdom is definitely going solidly to my town reads.
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Post Post #3370  (isolation #88)  » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:30 pm

I'm disappearing now for 6+ hours.
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Post Post #3440  (isolation #89)  » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:09 am

In post 3371, Wagonomics wrote:
In post 3370, TheBrie wrote:I'm disappearing now for 6+ hours.


That was having guests over for lunch and not expecting to be back before dinner, and wanting to say bye.
lol what

In post 3373, light_ganski wrote:Good shot in the situation

If it flips t we lynch ausuka

If it flips s we lynch xtoxm or flavour


Why'd you say Flavour if PB was scum? Did you think it could be scum!PB distancing team mates? (Yes, I know he flipped, I'm just trying to get a handle on your thinking.
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Post Post #3442  (isolation #90)  » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:21 am

In post 3409, Ausuka wrote:THANK GOD i didn't think i was going to get through that. I'm glad I went for the safe route of trying to get PB lynched first because if I didn't I had no chance at all.

I was day 3+ jester. i'm not that big a fan of my role design tbh; I had no wincon for two days and my wincon today actively misled me by incentivising me towards acting as scummy as possible, when that would make me lose the game with all the dayvigs around. It wasn't really any fun to play fmpov and as people noticed I had a hard time caring when I couldn't really do anything to advance my wincon for over two months.

You can believe me or not but you'll see when I flip so...

Not fun. Good job though. Am I correct in thinking you are not a game ending jester who makes everyone else lose?

In post 3429, Ausuka wrote:He said he thought wisdom was 3p because of meta but he didn't try to lynch Wisdom at any point, I wouldn't really classify that as 3p hunting.

Vonflare vote does make sense imo; it's kinda lame if lurkers survive to endgame because people think it's suspicious to vote them, I think that if you're not posting content to the degree vonflare is it's perfectly acceptable to vote him for that, especially with his claim that may or may not be fake.

I need to go look at the mastina lynch because I just wanted to get a wincon and didn't really care who we lynched so I wasn't really paying attention.


Who are you referring to first here, Ausuka? I'm not following. And what's your thoughts on Wisdom?

Good point on not letting Vonflare slide through as a lurker. Not a high priority lynch, especially after all the town deaths, as we should lynch active scum.

I'm leaning towards sheeping Party Boats reads, and voting Flavour Leaf, but I really don't know what is going on here? Is the game still going? Are we getting a second lynch?
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Post Post #3468  (isolation #91)  » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:24 pm

Hmm. I was half ready to jump on the Flavour Wagon, but by the time I'd read it all, I've got my town feeling back. Just because Party boat was utterly convinced Flavour is scum (1,000 legit reasons), doesn't mean he is. But then PB was so certain, and kinda worried that if he'd said nothing, Flavour wouldn't get a second thought, and he sort of has charmed most of us into liking him. So I don't trust him. But I'm not calling him scum.

I could vote Gamma. I don't have strong feelings either way myself right now, but both Ausuka and PB thought he was possible scum. Not definite, but possible. Or, ans so did Mastina, though she also had trekkie as scum, and her reads are kinda garbage. her VCA could be useful, if someone wanted to put the work in.

Mastina's Xtomx read came from his play. Still don't know it's accurate, and I don't want to lynch Xtomx right now, but he's far from lock town in my mind.
Vax has left us pretty much nothing in terms of useful reads, and no one defended or attacked him hard enough to get anything from that.
Trekkie has nothing of use but to remind me Gamma claimed. Roleblocker. Trying to counter claim, Theta's counter claim. Could be a scum role.

From these combined dead town reads, I'm thinking possibly a team of Light, Xtomx, and Gamma. I could see that working. But I'd rater vote Light.

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Post Post #3474  (isolation #92)  » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:22 am

In post 3469, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t think I’m charming when I play mafia. I’ve heard this get thrown around the past few months.

Real life, sure, but mafia I’m obnoxious as hell. :lol:

How did I charm you into liking me?

I could go Light, but I kind of want to give Wisdom the day to be honest. I thought his deflecting of Mastina was scummy, but he knew something with Ausuka was off.


It's a sort of confidence or something. You started obnoxious, and then, I dunno really. But there's something that makes me want you to be town.

On Wisdom, can you point out what you mean about him and Ausuka? Looking at his ISO, I've not caught it.

In post 3472, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 3471, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i think gamma has been somewhat wolfy as well but idt he's ever w/w with flavor


Yeah, Gamma and I have no reason to ever bus each other as W/W. Even for the potential town free, we’d always be much better off staying together.


I believe that.

In post 3443, Ausuka wrote:I don't exactly know if it ends the game but I really doubt it. I don't see why that would make sense at all. What do you mean by "not fun" - is there a problem with how I won? I thought it was the most foolproof and efficient way to win and didn't really see anything wrong with it.

I'm referring to the part where Wagon said Wisdom might be 3p a few times, which is assumedly what Enter was commenting on when he talked about wagon third-party hunting. I think wisdom is town.


"Not fun" was an expression of sympathy. 3rd party can suck. And While I'm answering mostly irrelevant posts. Nancy asked me ages back how I've not been mislynched yet. Not sure. Only playing small number of games, and a bit of luck. Possibly because scum decided to keep me around and pocket me. While as scum I'm lynched day 1 half the time.
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Post Post #3523  (isolation #93)  » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:09 pm

Five minutes here before work.

In post 3507, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3497, light_ganski wrote:Gamma isn't scum, xtoxm def is and flavour prob is


I really don’t think they’re linked. I’ve only played with SK!FL but I seriously doubt scum!him would ever be this careless with associatives.

I want to know what Xtoxm is basing that guilty on and who he investigated N1 and 2. I’m assuming if he’s on the level, he should have 2 innos.

Half the associative were back in Varsoon's time, but still a good point.

In post 3508, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3498, light_ganski wrote:
In post 3482, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Wisdom and FL are never w/w since scum!Wisdom would probably bus. So, I’m kind of thinking FL may be spewed green by this. :thinking:


I want to think this but lets face it scum can town read each other as much as they bus each other


How do you think the hood was chosen then? At random? Because that’s a lot of scum in the hood if FL and Xtoxm are both scum. And then there’s the nearly successful wagon that Brie stopped and prevented FL lynch. How do you account for the almost no resistance to it?

Wisdom might be. His play here, reminds me of DnD mafia.


Wait, what wagon did I stop? I don't remember stopping a wagon.


In post 3516, Xtoxm wrote:i think she kinda does, shes posting like she KNOWS im town
obviously the guilty isnt real
dont mind going gamma today
VOTE: gamma


Why do you have to fake things? It's annoying as town, it's probably stupid as scum, and it didn't even clear things up.

Calling that NAI.
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Post Post #3529  (isolation #94)  » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:50 pm

In post 3516, Xtoxm wrote:i think she kinda does, shes posting like she KNOWS im town
obviously the guilty isnt real
dont mind going gamma today
VOTE: gamma


I know why i was voting Gamma back in day one, but since when have you thought he was scum? You've only mentioned him twice before now,
In post 1885, Xtoxm wrote:you are a terrible person, gamma
i have never and never will replace strategically
VOTE: gamma
vote is unrelated to my reads

In post 1225, Xtoxm wrote:ive seen gamma a few times now and this is the only game he's look even somewhat in a town direction to me
are people scumreading him taking meta into account? i dont think ive seen anyone give an actual reason for voting him
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Post Post #3534  (isolation #95)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:49 am

In post 3531, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’ve literally been seeing Light as scum since I replaced in. It’s been my most consistent read, and I think my reads have been solid this game, besides Mastina.

But you could even argue that that was a solid read, because I was very strongly town reading Theta, but Mastina changed that up for me.

How about Dannflor? I seem to remember you insisting he was town. And he's the only scum flip we've had? Being right about everyone who flips town (Except Mastina), does not mean we should listen to you now.

In post 3532, Kokichi Oma wrote:That jester really screwed us


I briefly wished she could have been nice and fakeclaimed a guilty on scum. But then we wouldn't have lynched her. She had to go after town. She was lucky too. I'd been planning to shoot her. Almost did anyway.


In post 3533, Purrcocet wrote:please dont murder gamma
its like u guys want me to meow in a sad tone


You don't want them to kill gamma, you say why.
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Post Post #3535  (isolation #96)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:51 am

Is anyone actually resisting the light wagon? Pretty much the only thing I've seen is attempts to have a Gamma wagon, and they're mostly coming from the same place as the light wagon. It worries me slightly.
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Post Post #3545  (isolation #97)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:27 am

In post 3544, Enter wrote:I'll case gamma either tonight or tomorrow if someone hasn't done so already by then, but she looks p town to me.

I'd appreciate it. Cause my reads is a mixture of day 1 stuff (Sparked by Ausuka), and PB and Ausuka's reads. And Ausuka's not the best, though I think she was trying to be as helpful as possible in the twilight.

In post 3539, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3528, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because it was easier to just ride out a lynch on me
Tbh at this point I don’t mind to much if I get lynched IF you lynch through Flavor/Xtoxm/Wisdom after. Problem is, don’t see it happening.


I don’t want to lynch Gamma, FL or Light.


So who? And why?

11:30 pm. Back tomorrow, sometime.
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Post Post #3579  (isolation #98)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:57 pm

In post 3563, Wisdom wrote:singleton is also scum

but nobody listens


I tried town casing Single yesterday, but it was half depending on Ausuka being scum. They clearly weren't w/w. But Ausuka wasn't scum, and single's recent posts feel off.

In post 3565, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3563, Wisdom wrote:singleton is also scum

but nobody listens

In post 1218, singletonking wrote:VOTE: Gamma Emerald
I think I'd lynch this over Varsoon. His posts today have been terrible: Most of them are about Theta, and even those that aren't are reactive.
Meanwhile Varsoon's play here is easy in the sense that it was easy to make.

So both Gamma and Varsoon are being terrible here and while I see both as scummy, I see Gamma as slightly more scummy. I also slightly townread Varsoon's entrance on reread.


Single and Gamma are never w/w here, so you’re wrong about at least one of them.


Agree. And it's the posts like that that made me think Single is town. They're hesitant, but feel genuine.


So, what am I saying? Is Single scum? I really don't know. And with lack of deadlines, I can't be bothered to push this day to go anywhere in a hurry.
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Post Post #3580  (isolation #99)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:57 pm

Yesterday, as in Day 3. Not as in the 30/31st of January.
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Post Post #3728  (isolation #100)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:21 am

After all that, I think Nancy's town, and I don't know what the what Wisdom is. Annoying anyway.
Dannflor's scum read of Sheep does seem to make Sheep town.

Xtomx is creeping up into the town zone again, and Enter is there.

I'm enough fed up with the game that I don't want to stretch it out. I'll probably be on to hammer in four or so hours. If not, probably not until the same time tomorrow night. Cause weekends.
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Post Post #3744  (isolation #101)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:24 am

In post 3743, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3741, Enter wrote:I'm gonna be honest w/ you gamma, I'm not really interested in this day taking forever again. After the jester my enthusiasm kinda dropped and while your posts don't seem particularly scummy to me, I don't know you and you haven't done anything I've seen that's particularly town, either. So if you can give me really good reason to put my vote elsewhere, sure.

Practically everyone who's been defending me is giving up. Do you think that happens if I'm scum or town?


Your scum partners could be mainly inactive players. But you might have just talked me out of hammering. But I need time to think it over, and only have a minute now.
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Post Post #3746  (isolation #102)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:00 am

Why?

Because I'm posting without putting much effort in, or because I've not figured out a reason for why no one is obviously defending, and are mention how he could be scum, while also admitting he might have a point and possibly town?

Third possibility is that some of the soft defense is coming from scum mates who can't risk hard defending him.
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Post Post #3750  (isolation #103)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:21 am

Actually took time to ISO Gamma again, and don't see town there. Wish I'd had time to do it earlier. Looking at it, Light is not scum with Gamma. No way.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald


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Post Post #3751  (isolation #104)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:25 am

In post 3749, Wisdom wrote:like how nancy awkwardly labeled her vote "i am sheeping purrcocet" instead of talking about gamma at all


Does that mean you still think Nancy is scum? I've been a little confused over that.

Also as a random fact, I noticed Gamma defending Varsoon on Day 2. Not sure yet if that means anything.
In post 2220, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 998, light_ganski wrote:vonflare is scum with varsoon you heard it here first

okay with my vote parked on varsoon for it

I am NOT a fan of this Varsoon push.

In post 2219, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah Varsoon never claimed death Miller, so what the fuck was that?
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Post Post #3790  (isolation #105)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:23 pm

In post 3789, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3787, Wisdom wrote:how are you more important than a dayvig


If you have a scum dayvig, the correct kill would be to target someone extremely unlikely to be one. Both of us were equally obvtown on D1, so I was the safer target.


Why wouldn't scum want to target a town dayvig? I don't see why. Also it occurred to me that it's not impossible that Jaylow never mentioned to the rest of the scum that he was a dayvig.
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Post Post #3846  (isolation #106)  » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:25 pm

In post 3812, Xtoxm wrote:There was finally a successful block by the billions of block roles or they both killed flavour. Does this even need stating?


Or we've got some BPs.

In post 3818, Wisdom wrote:let me try this again

Kokichi Oma - D3 vig
Enter
TheBrie - D3 vig
singletonking
light_ganski
Purrcocet - Fruit vendor
Wisdom - fruit enabled vig
Xtoxm - Neighbor
vonflare
sheepsaysmeep
Nancy Drew 39 - Neighbor


And with Vonflare's claim, there's 6 out of 11 claimed. I'm not sure I believe his claim, but I don't think he's scum using reverse psychology on us now to keep from begin lynched. More likely a jester. Maybe even more likely what he actually says, than scum.
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Post Post #3863  (isolation #107)  » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:31 pm

Internet's acting up and this was to be posted hours ago.

In post 3851, Purrcocet wrote:wisdom is the deep deep wolf

kokitten thoroughly impressed me by towntellying yesterday


what do u think of a light / wisdom / x (or vonflare) team folks


Light and Wisdom together = possible

In post 3858, Purrcocet wrote:Trust in the process. Sheep the purr. Comeback of the century yo



I know you don't at all like this reed but think about sheep's 97 wolfy popins. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it


Xtotmt town. Kokichi town. Enter town.


We lynched gamma when we should have lynched light.

light/wis/single/sheep

vonflare sk

Multiball was faked, like the moon landing.


Are you really saying you think light/wis/single/sheep + Dannflor is the scum team? You're not making a heap of sense, and if I didn't think you were town, I'd be gettign seriously irrtated by your posting style again.
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Post Post #3873  (isolation #108)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:15 am

In post 3872, Wisdom wrote:Also i said on d3 that i was blocked, remember?

You did. Looking back I can see you dropping so many crumbs. I can't think of another use for the fruit. And I do claim BP. So last night you weren't actively blocked.
In post 3870, Purrcocet wrote:I townread u until u claim a vig with no shots
I gave u fruit even when gamma died cause i didn't think you would just push that tunnel like that

Invalid argument, you need to rethink this. If you have reason to scum read, other than doubting the role, I'll listen, as the role isn't necessarily town, but I think it's highly unlikely Wisdom is on the same team as Dannflor with his role, and I doubt he's a werewolf or some other alternate scum team with how he's been talking about who he thinks is on a second team. Also that's unlikely with the two night kills we've been having. I'd believe weird third party though i don't think there's much to be done if that's the case.

In post 3868, Purrcocet wrote:Cross then lol.


After gamma's flip i was gonna lynch her reads, but there's no way you're actually a fruit vigilante if we think abt it

You probably don't expect anyone here to lynch you


TheBrie wrote:
Are you really saying you think light/wis/single/sheep + Dannflor is the scum team?



That's where we should lynch in at least.


I think your pool is a little too big.
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Post Post #3941  (isolation #109)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:07 pm

You know, I can be stupid sometimes. I really shouldn't have outed my BP. But I was trying to give the reasons I completely believe Wisdom's role claim. Since you're all so sure you've figured me out, I'm going to play along, and not bother trying to convince you that I'm just a night vig as well as a day3.

But I say it makes more sense to lynch the top scum-read so we've got one for certain. Then I shoot the the second. Unless you want to leave the top person so the other can't weasel their way out if the shot doesn't go through.
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Post Post #3947  (isolation #110)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:27 pm

In post 3945, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3943, Wisdom wrote:lynch single, shoot xtoxm?


We need Brie to shoot first, because lynch ends the day.


I'm okay with that order, and I'll trust Nancy to be town if you do Wisdom.

Sorry, only day I could shoot was day 3.
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Post Post #3955  (isolation #111)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:59 pm

Light didn't claim did he?
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Post Post #3957  (isolation #112)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:06 pm

Also, we need plans for tomorrow. Cause it wouldn't totally surprise me if scum went and shot Wisdom then tried lynching me tomorrow, rather than seeing if they can shoot me. There'll likely be two more scum, and can we count on sheep and Kokichi to vote with town? They've not said enough for me to be sure of them.

Oh, a perfectly plain VT. That's boring.
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Post Post #3958  (isolation #113)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:09 pm

Supposing Purr is town, and we've still got four more scum to catch, I suppoe that's singletonking, light_ganski, Xtoxm, vonflare?
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Post Post #3961  (isolation #114)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:34 pm

In post 3959, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3958, TheBrie wrote:Supposing Purr is town, and we've still got four more scum to catch, I suppoe that's singletonking, light_ganski, Xtoxm, vonflare?


No, Light is town.


How don't think scum would claim VT? Who's the other scum then?

In post 3960, Enter wrote:I'm a two shot commuter. Brie is town. Why are we lynching light?


We're lynching Single. Or talking about it at least.
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Post Post #3967  (isolation #115)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:52 pm

In post 3962, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3960, Enter wrote:I'm a two shot commuter. Brie is town. Why are we lynching light?


In post 3910, Wisdom wrote:again, this is the timeline

I received fruit from Vax on N1, this means at the end of N1
I used said fruit to vig Gamma on N2, nothing happened (I was blocked?)
I got no fruit on N2, which I also mentioned on D3
Then I got fruit from you on N3 (again, end of night)
And used it to shoot TheBrie on N4, nothing happened because TheBrie is BP.
I got another fruit from you at the end of N4.


I’m confused now.

No, we’re definitely not lynching Light.


Why are you confused?

I'm convinced on Light now.
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Post Post #3981  (isolation #116)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:52 am

In post 3975, Wisdom wrote:A vt claim, a neighbor, and the second fruit vendor. Thats where I see the scum being.

We (or at least I) also know scum are confirmed to have a roleblocker. That will most likely be the one with the vt claim.

Wisdom wrote:Also note that gamma blocked xtoxm on the night I was blocked, which means xtoxm is not the roleblocker.


I couldn't find a spot where Gamma said he blocked Xtomx. It certainly is more inline with what he's said than him blocking you, but I'd like to actually see it. And it would be a scum roleblocker, given how many town one's we've had.

Are you saying you think Purr is scum?
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Post Post #3989  (isolation #117)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:42 am

Makes sense.

Nancy, Gamma was scumreading Xtomx way back, but wasn't Wisdom, so him blocking Wisdom doesn't make nearly as much sense as blocking Xtmox. Not sure why I couldn't find the post.

if you're right here, Wisdom, that's another reason for single to be the lynch. We don't want an RB alive.
So are you thinking three scum, or Vonflare as the fourth?
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Post Post #4024  (isolation #118)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:46 am

Welp.

So Single wasn't the scum role blocker. We know Purr isn't a blocker. And Xtomx was town. So if there's scum in the hood it's Nancy(not saying she is, not saying she isn't).

Let's not rush today. And lets make sure everyone posts. Sheep and Kokichi have been far too absent. I'll look over associatives sometime, but I need to sleep now, and I'll be pretty busy for the rest of the week. (or rest of my life, but I'll fit it in somewhere.) I should be able to post everyday, but maybe not more than once. Especially as this isn't my only game anymore.
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Post Post #4025  (isolation #119)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:57 am

I'm guessing Wisdom was blocked again. Cause I don't think Wisdom shoots Xtomx after telling me to do it, even when he knows the blocker isn't dead.
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Post Post #4041  (isolation #120)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:05 pm

I didn't vote Single solely because I wanted to talk to Wisdom more and kind of get contingency plans, and wasn't sure how many votes we were at.. But I didn't think to ask what to do if Xtomx was town, because I'd stopped considering that possibility. Then Enter came along and hammered while I was sleeping, so I didn't get my chance.

All our flips have been one scum team. Do you really think one team has two day 3 vigs? Also, who do you think shot Dannflor? There's no way I'd shoot my partner, especially when he had a vig shot for the next day.
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Post Post #4042  (isolation #121)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:08 pm

Conflate, say something useful.
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Post Post #4043  (isolation #122)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:19 pm

Also, we knows there's a scum roleblocker, and that's not me or Purr. And ignoring actual reads we also know Nancy and Kokichi can't be. I town read Enter, and his claim seems solid.
Vonflare I don't trust, but making that fake claim as a mafia roleblocker would be plain bizarre. so by POE the Roleblocker must be Light or Sheep. And I think we should kill the RB.
And we must have a role blocker rather than a JK, because Wisdom got killed.

If you lynch me, then scum kills one of you tonight, and unless there was only ever a scum team of four, they win tomorrow.


I do think you're town Nancy, it's just the paranoid part of me that won't let go of worst scenarios, even if I can't do anything about them.


Also, that's supposed to say Vonflare, not conflate. Spell checker fail.
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Post Post #4044  (isolation #123)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:27 pm

Well, if Vonflare is actually a jester, scum team of four is not inconceivable.
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Post Post #4046  (isolation #124)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:02 pm

ISOing dead town.

Wagonomics had Enter as scum, Vonflare (and me and Trekkie) as possible scum.
Jingle I really couldn't get useful stances out of, but he said Nancy town.
Flavour has had scum reads on most people. Towards end, has Nancy as town, Light as scum, though he also mentioned Light being a possible misslynch lineup. His reads are all skewed by his tunnel on Gamma.
Gamma wanted us to lynch through Flavor/Xtoxm/Wisdom, so no useful reads there. Rather tragic misreads on both sides.
Trekkie seems to suggest we examine Dann and sheep connections. post 3221
Vax was pretty useless.
PB thought light might be scum, but that was based on Flavour bussing, and he was town. Had no read on Enter, though Nancy and Varsoon possible scum, but I get the feeling it was mostly by POE.
And I don't think Cheeky was shot because her reqads were great, just because scum though she's figure them out with more time. There's a lot of town in the scum side of her basic sorting.
Profii, only useful information is that he thought Nanc and sheep were town.
And I ain't touching Mastina's mess of stuff.
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Post Post #4054  (isolation #125)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:52 am

I promise I'll shoot who you tell me to. But for me to be able to shoot, we must lynch the roleblocker today. Which pretty much has to be Light or Sheep. I'm rather skeptical of the death miller claim, but as I said it's a bizarre fake claim to make (not to mention that fake claiming so very early on is strange), unless you're doing it as a gambit.

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Post Post #4063  (isolation #126)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:57 pm

In post 4059, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 4058, Purrcocet wrote:light is wolf smh


w/Dann?

Also @Enter, not convinced Wisdom would shoot Purr, because fruit.


Once Wisdom outed his role, there's no way scum!Purr would send him fruit again. So he would shoot.

You think Light wouldn't bus?

I never said anything about you being a PR, and i was stating a fact, not trying to get you lynched. I was pondering the question though, because I don't really know how to read you Nancy.

Weird thing is that if Purr and light are scum together, they're bussing one another pretty strongly now. (Well, yesterday for Light)

Light called Enter obv town, basically conceding the point instead of seeing if fighting it would go anywhere. Light also defended Vonflare slightly. Dunno what that means.

Sheep really needs to come talk.
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Post Post #4117  (isolation #127)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:48 pm

What do you mean how many have been claimed? Are you asking if people have claimed the kills?
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Post Post #4119  (isolation #128)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:18 pm

Two so far. I killed Dannflor(My one scum hit!), and I killed Xtomx. (cause someone had to be scum, and Wisdom made me promise).

I also killed Profii as a random shot I now wish I'd put more thought into. Trekkie because I rolled a die between a bunch of people who I saw as possible scum who weren't ;ike;y to get lynched.

And you missed Night 5. I killed Flavour Leaf because he and Wisdom had been the biggest movers behind lynching Gamma who was town, and Gamma had Flavour on his list of three players he wanted dead when he flipped town. (Unfortunately they were all town too.) Also because I felt like Flavour had been manipulating me.
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Post Post #4121  (isolation #129)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:36 pm

We've had five nights.
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Post Post #4127  (isolation #130)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:51 pm

Nancy, would you be townreading Kokichi besides the fact he's mechanically def town? (Not really useful, but I'm curious. Trying to improve my reading skills.)

Does a scum team of four + jester + sk sound likely? I had been thinking we'd have one more, but maybe not.

I'm town reading Light now, simply because she makes no sense partnered with Purr. I can't find a cohesive scum team that's bigger than four players.


Spoiler: Wildly improbable plot-twist!
Nancy and Duck/Sheep are scum together, and Nancy is the best at bussing her partners while keeping just one protected.

Don't kill me for saying it, I have no intention of pushing it anywhere, and not just because it wouldn't go anywhere. Town may have mislynched a lot today, but that doesn't been they've all become so terrible that scum!Nancy could slip through.

And writing this has made me ultra confident that Nancy is town, and for the first time in forever, I'm not paranoid.
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Post Post #4129  (isolation #131)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:09 pm

It doesn't. I still say it's a bizarre claim to make if he's the scum roleblocker, but I suppose it's worked for him this long. I should have killed him back on night 3.

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Post Post #4143  (isolation #132)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:50 am

In post 4131, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 4127, TheBrie wrote:Nancy, would you be townreading Kokichi besides the fact he's mechanically def town? (Not really useful, but I'm curious. Trying to improve my reading skills.)

Does a scum team of four + jester + sk sound likely? I had been thinking we'd have one more, but maybe not.

I'm town reading Light now, simply because she makes no sense partnered with Purr. I can't find a cohesive scum team that's bigger than four players.


Spoiler: Wildly improbable plot-twist!
Nancy and Duck/Sheep are scum together, and Nancy is the best at bussing her partners while keeping just one protected.

Don't kill me for saying it, I have no intention of pushing it anywhere, and not just because it wouldn't go anywhere. Town may have mislynched a lot today, but that doesn't been they've all become so terrible that scum!Nancy could slip through.

And writing this has made me ultra confident that Nancy is town, and for the first time in forever, I'm not paranoid.


???

I’m both scum with Duck and town?

on top of being town neighbour?

Okay. :shifty:

Oh and who am I allegedly bussing?

Oh yeah, Wisdom.

Apparently Xyzzy made Wisdom a death godfather and Cheeky was mod confirmed guilty child.

The possibilities are endless.


Wisdom is totally a death Godfather. What else could he be after orchestrating the deaths of Gamma and Xtomx?
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Post Post #4145  (isolation #133)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:13 am

In post 4136, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I think vonflare could be telling the truth?

Which is why I think we should lynch Purr or maybe Brie.

I still think Brie could be scum.

Her “bussing” post wrt to vonflare is pinging my scumdar through the roof.


What bussing post?

Tonewise, I really want to believe Vonflare too. He's not been scummy, just inactive.


I see why you could see me as scum with Single. I did towncase her back on day 3 and she was town reading me. But how am I scum with Dannflor?


I still think we've got to have a scum roleblocker, but maybe not. It's not impossible that Wisdom shot at Xtomx last night, so we can't be 100% sure her was blocked. Night four, he shot me, I was bulletproof. Night three he had no fruit. Night two he shot Gamma and nothing happened. Gamma was a roleblocker, she said she blocked Xtomx, but it's possible she wasn't telling the truth. Thus, it's not definite that we still have a roleblocker. But I would think it likely scum had one with the set up.

I am a informed town bulletproof day 3 vigilante night vigilante. I knew from the beginning that other day 3 vigilantes existed, but not how many. Yes, I'm special.
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Post Post #4149  (isolation #134)  » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:01 am

Really busy right now, so I'll be putting this game to the back burner for the next week or so. Sorry.
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Post Post #4174  (isolation #135)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:56 pm

Oh, you've been talking since I looked at this. You've already thought of what i say here.


I can vig Vonflare. I will vig Vonflare. But you've got to know that there's high chance I'll be blocked.

What's the advantage of lynching Purr, and vigging Vonflare over doing it the other-way around? Cause we know Purr isn't an RB (Unless she's some weird combo that's both.), while it's not impossible Vonflare is.

Think that through, vote for who you think is best, and I'll follow your lead. Two votes on Purr now, plus your and mine will make four, and we'll have to persuade one more.
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Post Post #4175  (isolation #136)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:57 pm

I'd only seen up to #4167 when i wrote that.
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Post Post #4176  (isolation #137)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:59 pm

Oh, and my Day 3 Vig is confirmed. I shot Jingle. Ausuka (Jester) fake claimed a guilty on him, so I had to take one of them out.
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Post Post #4183  (isolation #138)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:03 pm

In post 4179, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 4176, TheBrie wrote:Oh, and my Day 3 Vig is confirmed. I shot Jingle. Ausuka (Jester) fake claimed a guilty on him, so I had to take one of them out.


Why would you shoot Jingle? He was triple voter obvtown.


Cause I'm a idiot who doesn't trust herself. Hadn't we already established that. And at the time i thought the fakeclaim felt too bold to be from scum. It wasn't from group scum, but now I'm not sure why I trusted so easily.

I've given reads before and i honestly haven't the time to write them out, because I'll want to add comments, and I've got real life deadlines.
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Post Post #4187  (isolation #139)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:59 pm

By elegant bastardry, you mean that it's unlikely Xyzzy is messing with us so much as Vonflare was suggesting?

That post there does ring true to me, which worries me a lot.
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Post Post #4195  (isolation #140)  » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:46 am

A bird in the hand is worth a bigger bird in the bush. Or something like that.

[humour] You've got to take at least a tiny bit of the responsibility Duck. You'll be one fifth of the voting power. Which isn't the only reason it's happening. We can chuck some of the responsibility back at Purr, and a good bit at Wisdom, and probably some at other dead people but you are involved Duck. You take no responsibility if it goes wrong, you get no credit if it goes right. [/humour]

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Post Post #4196  (isolation #141)  » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:49 am

Don't anyone hammer yet though. Enter indicated he was busy and hoped we'd not do much for a bit, and I think we should let him say something.
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Post Post #4197  (isolation #142)  » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:59 am

@Mod I'm going V/LA about 24 hours from now for four days.
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Post Post #4246  (isolation #143)  » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:47 am

One holiday post. We had two kills so maybe I was correct on the very slim chance there was no role blocker. (See my ISO)
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Post Post #4247  (isolation #144)  » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:51 am

No wait, I'm wrong. Of course I wasn't blocked since I said I'd shoot Varsoon. Means it's not a werewolf rb, but I buy the theory that Varsoon was death miller.
Whatever's going on, scim tea is smaller than expected. Back in two days.
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Post Post #4467  (isolation #145)  » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:52 pm

In post 4441, Dannflor wrote:
In post 4439, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 4438, Dannflor wrote:
In post 4434, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Jayow/Saudade were obvscum though.

I still avoided lynch tho :wink:


But the SK still got you. :lol:


Yea that was the most unexpected and unfortunate way for me to die :(


I was telling the truth when I said I shot you because you were scum.

In post 4454, profii wrote:So weird being shot n1 - I didn’t really have much idea of what happened after that :D


Sorry. The game would have been totally different if I'd shot someone else the first night.


What I did lie about was the night I shot Trekkie. I was reading town there, but looking for a town shot that wasn't obviously from an SK. The rest of the game I was completely town motivated. I was surprised that my claim to be town was actually believed as much as it was, but I suppose that was Duck just trying to confuse us.


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Post Post #4475  (isolation #146)  » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:09 am

In post 4469, Jingle wrote:Nah, you guys did great.

Wish TB would have won though, she was obvtown. :P


I feel like most of the time I'm obv town, or obv scum.

If the game hadn't been over, there's a 50/50 chance I would have shot the Worst. I had gotten a little paranoia there, and being SK makes me less worried about shooting town by accident.

Anyway, I've found I can enjoy 3p if the role is interesting. I drew anti-social survivor once and replaced out because I was bored and I hate make everyone lose by just continuing to exist.
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Post Post #4481  (isolation #147)  » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:46 am

In post 4478, sheepsaysmeep wrote:ggggg

sorry for having to sub out tysm tw for carrying the slot

You were brilliantly low profile all game.


Also the first time I was scum reading Purr it was half because of the arguments he was making for scum!sheep.
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Post Post #4488  (isolation #148)  » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:33 pm

In post 4486, Flavor Leaf wrote:It’s cool. I took over and got your slot to get night killed.


Night killed by the sk for lynching town.

This game briefly sent me into a state of nit trusting anyone's reads on anyone.
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Post Post #4489  (isolation #149)  » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:57 pm

And simultaneously killed by scum for being dangerous town.
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