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There is a strategy for an early scum lynch claim.
The two who claim a scum lynch are either both town or both scum.
Someone else is picked and then picks the two players who claimed scum result(only doable on 5v2/6v1 or 4v2/5v1).
Then one of these two townies gets lynched which confirms the other as town.
This leads to a 5v1 or 4v1 Nightless with one confirmed town. The EV for 4v1 Nightless with one conftown is obscenely high which means that this strategy should be always pursued Day 2 or Day 2 after scum lynch claims.
If those two were scum, the picker is automatically lynched, and the scum are then lynched on 4v2 or 3v2 with the appropiate strategy.
If it is 4v2(after two claimed townie lynches, which are automatically correct)
- scum lynch claim: The town either trusts that pair or not. If not, they pick someone outside the pair, who then picks one from the pair and one outside. The pair is lynched and Town wins, or the pair was Town and Mafia wins.
If they trust the pair(read:at least one person trusts the pair) then one of the pair is picked, and then picks the other member and someone they percieve to be scum. If the pair is scum, Mafia wins. If the pair is town, and the picked person is town, town loses. If the pair is town, and the picked person is Mafia, Town wins via two confirmed town.
- town lynch claim:Confirmed 3v2.
Town has to pick town, otherwise Mafia wins.
That town has to pick a townie and a Mafia, otherwise Mafia wins.
The initially picked townie is confirmed town.
They now lynch one of the secondary picks.
If it is town, Mafia wins.
If it is Mafia, mafia loses via 2 confirmed town.
The game will never descend into a standard 2v1 LYLO, although an early scum lynch may lead to a 1v1 LYLO.- BBmolla
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Odds of that are 1/13 so I’m okay with it.In post 67, Not Known 15 wrote:In post 66, BBmolla wrote:
Most of the time there will X players going to the wilderness where X is the number of Mafia, and that's probably fine.Day 1, ten seconds after the start of the Day: "/Guess [name of Mafia Head] as Mafia Head"
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I just noticed that 1+1+2+8 is 12.In post 66, BBmolla wrote:14 players:
1 Mafia Head
2 Mafia Goons
1 Town Headhunter
8 Vanilla TowniesThis is a Parachute.- Awoo
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Fixed tyIn post 78, Jingle wrote:
I just noticed that 1+1+2+8 is 12.In post 66, BBmolla wrote:14 players:
1 Mafia Head
2 Mafia Goons
1 Town Headhunter
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I just realised a setup I submitted in the micro queue is very suited here:
EV is 48.148%- callforjudgement
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That's basically Rarefaction adapted to ten players (which means the Micro Queue is probably the wrong place for it :-P)
The original version of the setup cancelled the D1 lynch with no flip and then split its nine players into three sets of three, but that obviously doesn't work as an Open, so changing it to two sets of three was done for the Open version. Changing it to ten players lets you go back to the three-sets-of-three version.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town- callforjudgement
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This is a pretty confusing setup to think about. The scum will have control over many of the votes, but at least for private votes (and possibly also public votes?) they have an incentive to manipulate the votes without giving themselves away in the process (they'll have to send a town representative sometime, and they really won't want them saying "I think the rest of my group is scum"; that said, a scum representative would also be saying that about a town group!). As such, I'm not 100% certain on the balance, but it could easily be varied by adjusting the mix of groups (e.g. you could move to 3, 2, 2, 0 or 3, 2, 0, 0 to make it more scumsided or townsided respectively). The game is, however, somewhat self-balancing (as whenever scum have control over the public vote, that's fewer scum left in the groups to be potentially chosen as the final player).
For what it's worth, although the strategy in the private vote is confusing, in thepublicvote, you're just trying to get rid of as many scum as possible if town (or keep as many scum as possible alive if scum). That means that it's clearly helpful to be able to scumhunt, both as to which group contains most scum, and to figure out how many scum are in your own group.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town- Jingle
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Collected all the setups in the thread. I'll probably try to keep this updated, and presumably if we're saying one submission per person the last one is the submission. I did standardize formatting into spoilers.
Last edited by Jingle on Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:12 am, edited 1 time in total.This is a Parachute.- Bicephalous Bob
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Day 1 massclaimIn post 87, Irrelephant11 wrote:What prevents D1 massclaim from breaking that setup? Obviously town will lose all their powers, but half of town would become conftown by virtue of not being cc’d
Day 1 lynch:Face Eater
Night 1: The Face Eaters eat the faces of the whole town.
Day 2: 2 Face Eaters are alive. The Face Eaters win.- Jingle
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Good point - the Face Eaters are a faction; the submission is invalid.In post 91, Jingle wrote:I might be missing something but what is the associative group?- Jingle
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Lol my questions sometimes sure do have some quick and easy answersIn post 90, Not Known 15 wrote:
Day 1 massclaimIn post 87, Irrelephant11 wrote:What prevents D1 massclaim from breaking that setup? Obviously town will lose all their powers, but half of town would become conftown by virtue of not being cc’d
Day 1 lynch:Face Eater
Night 1: The Face Eaters eat the faces of the whole town.
Day 2: 2 Face Eaters are alive. The Face Eaters win.- BBmolla
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Town could probably break the Face Eaters setup by dividing the roles into three groups of three, then having every player claim which group they're in. This gives town a huge amount of information, without giving the Face Eaters much additional opportunity to get a large set of guesses correct at once.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town - callforjudgement
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