Booneytoonz IX - Under The Sea -- Game Over!

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So I ask you once again: if you're town, could you please stop WIFOMing my slot and focus on scum? I've done my part already

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It's pretty obvious that he's not giving reads in order to not give information about his remaining partner. Leave him be and focus on the next day.

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It's pretty obvious that he's not giving reads in order to not give information about his remaining partner. Leave him be and focus on the next day.

Wait, why only 2 scum left?
I don't see 12:3 in setup?

So I ask you once again: if you're town, could you please stop WIFOMing my slot and focus on scum? I've done my part already

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She claimed weak hider and flipped weak hider tho. And as I said, when I told you "I like your theory" was inmediately after you asked me "what do you think about Kaito being a goon, not Nikk being a token VT. I didn't read that post, and using the word "theory" was a coincidence. One more time for the people behind: I'm town, I am a VT. If your theory is based in Nikk being a token VT, you're wrong. Do you think I'm Kaito's partner who told you I like your theory and now I'm regretting it and defending Kaito? Get your head out of your ass, Nero. The only way I could be townier this game would be if I had it written in my forehead, but I don't know where it begins 'cause I have no hair.

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He has been willing to vote Clem, Kaito and Fire with no hint of associatives to any of them, which is pretty much what you’d expect from either town or an SK, except he sounds to genuine and solvey to be SK.

TBF, if he was scum with Katio and he shows any hesitation in voting Katio it ruins any town cred and makes ppl think that he's a Katio buddy. I'd feel more comfortable with ruling him out as a Katio buddy if he actually you know stayed on Katio instead of jumping off each chance he got.

That's manipulation and you're doing it only because I'm following Wisdom instead of you. I don't give a flying fuck about your beef with him. I'm here to play as optimal as I can, and following you is not optimal. Like dude, if I was scum with Kaito, voting him would be optimal 'cause I wouldn't get lynch EVER.

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I'm a cute little pink ball

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My scumread on Katio has zero to do with my beef with Wisdom and you keep acting like I'm only pushing him to go against Wisdom is wrong and scummy.

I'm fairly certain that you'd be scumreading me if I didn't vote for someone that is scum.

I'm not talking about your read on Kaito, I'm talking about you saying that I should be voting him and that you're suspecting me for not voting him, which makes no fucking sense if you actually read D1, but sure

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If someone could catch me up that'd be swell. I've read approximately half a page.

That's more than enough

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Who did BBMolla replaced?

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I think FA's scum equity has gone through the roof and we haven't reevaluated her slot only because she was the first Miller claim, and now we know that the scumteam knew about the millers (like Maki suggested on D1).

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How does the traitor thing works? How does the scumteam recruits a traitor?

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Nero answer my question please

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How does the traitor thing works? How does the scumteam recruits a traitor?

they shoot at him.

Thanks. There was a night that nobody died and Clem didn't claim who he protected (if he actually did) that could be the time they were recruited. Not killing a night just to create wifom about a fake traitor is suboptimal.

Wisdom could be the traitor given the info he has and he could be lying about being roleblocked

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though in a normal game traitor are unrecruitable.

Oh that would make the no kill night no sense from the scumteam then

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Yeah I agree with Nancy there, but why having a willbooster if there's no scum roleblocker?

P-edit yeah that's what I was thinking Wisdom, but if you can't be recruited then it doesn't make sense. What we have to decide now is if there is indeed a scum roleblocker or not. If there is, Kaito isn't scum. If there isn't, Kaito would be my best bet as the remaining scum (assuming there's only one remaining)

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Maybe Jingle targeted Clem thinking Clem still had a doctor shot and the scumteam would kill Wisdom and maybe roleblock Clem?

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So Clem roleblocks Wisdom, Jingle targets Clem, the scumteam does nothing. It would be weird that the scumteam doesn't have any PR, if there's so much town PRs. Possible explanation: four scumteammates; someone is lying about their role.

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Ok I'm done, this is no place for a cute pink ball like me. Tell me what you guys decide and I'll sheep. I'm inclined to scum!Creature for now

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Just wanted to remind you guys that Creature made a townbloc on D1 and he scumread sheep sincr a long time ago. Hopefully this helps to solve who is scum

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Just wanted to remind you guys that Creature made a townbloc on D1 and he scumread sheep sincr a long time ago. Hopefully this helps to solve who is scum

why so passive

who do you think is scum

My heart says Creature, but my brain says Jingle. I don't trust my heart, he's a whiny little bitch

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VOTE: Jingle

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What the hell Wisdom

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Townreads so far:
Frozen Angel

Sheepsaysmeep
Davesaz

Creature

Firebringer

Huh what?

fa take a step back for a second

you should know that really creature doesnt engage you like this as wolf

Thanks for the defense, but not buying the pocketing.

Clemency
davesaz
Chara
Pinkball
and me

hmm, we need three more.

What is this list?

The townlist.

Clemency
davesaz
Chara
Pinkball
and me

hmm, we need three more.

Add sheep!!

No.

sheep is scum btw

If I die tonight, follow my legacy.

I talked about this, Wisdom. My gut says Creature for how he began posting this day, but my mind reminded me of how Creature was playing on D1 and it seems pretty obvious that he's town. He asks Alchemist about his townreads on a flipped scum and sheep, he doesn't include any of the flipped scums into his townpool and keeps saying sheep is scum.

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And about the setup: I think Clem roleblocked you, as simple as that. But Jingle could be whatever and he claimed the boonbank role 'cause he is the boon bank role, only that he is a scum boon bank role. Maybe your theory about his role is right, but is too specific. The result is still the same

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Five if you include me. And putting Clem into a reduced townlist doesn't make sense from a scum PoV. So townread on Creature is bigger than any setup discussion I could make to myself. 'cause if you ask me, the back up rolecop sounds worse than the willbooster, 'cause too much town power. But that could mean scum has more power than what we thought and the game's not over if Jingle flips red

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I talked about this, Wisdom. My gut says Creature for how he began posting this day, but my mind reminded me of how Creature was playing on D1 and it seems pretty obvious that he's town. He asks Alchemist about his townreads on a flipped scum and sheep, he doesn't include any of the flipped scums into his townpool and keeps saying sheep is scum.

ok, why is jingle scum?

Because you said it was between Creature and Jingle. I have no bigger reasoning behind that. The theory of Fire knowing about the Millers and FA fakeckaiming Miller is the one I most like, but you said that one of Creature and Jingle is lying about their role.

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They can. I've been blindly sheeping you and I have been pretty explicit about that. Why are you concerned now?

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Hey! alright now! alright now, fellas!
Yea?
Now, what cooler than being cool?
Ice cold!
I can't hear ya! I say what's, what's cooler than being cool?
Ice cold!
Alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright!
VOTE: Firebringer 'cause he's melting my ice

Yeah sure. I got demotivated after D1 'cause my reads were bad and I've been following whoever I think is making more sense since that, and that has worked fine 'cause I would've never voted Elsa if I was going after my reads. So if you want to scumread for being a sheep, go on, I have enough town equity from D1 to do whatever floats my boat.

ohh scary.

so you had some bad reads. That doesn't give a license to be a non-entity. Also, town are close to a solve so TOWN being demotivated is a strange thing I guess. Thoughts and feelings on the game right now?

? I'm not a non-entity, I've been changing my vote whenever I think it's needed. I'm letting people more able than me to solve the game. If that's not helping, I don't know what is. And the free shade about being demotivated is plain stupid, since I don't have any info to know if we're close to a solve.

You don't have a license to discuss if you didn't read the whole thread, how about that?

Ah, that sounds better. I'm following Wisdom right now, despite my desire to believe he's scum. He got Elsa lynched and I trust his reads more than mine. I voted Kaito before he stated he believes Kaito is town this day

I was the first one to call Maki scum, so I wouldn't blame him. I know kt sounds like setting up a mislynch, but we have to know Clem's alignment first to know that so that discussion isn't needed right now. Also I'd probably not push Wisdom if Clem is town.

I voted Kaito because of your theory, so yeah, I like it

Here. I said I won't push you even if you're wrong too

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I don't know how the first quote got there

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They can. I've been blindly sheeping you and I have been pretty explicit about that. Why are you concerned now?

molla and kaito have their own thoughts
you're just sheeping
if i turn out to be wrong youre the most likely to be scum profiting off my mistakes

I'm profiting off your correct reads, Wisdom. I never wanted an Elsa lynch and even if I had Fire on my first scumleans, you were the one who got him. You have a huge ego and you know it; why someone following you makes you doubt?

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Also, I ask you again, why is this concerning you now when I stated I was sheeping you long ago? I didn't see you doubt about my alignment when I said I was sheeping you and voting Clem and Vedith.

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I want to lynch Creature now 'cause it feels like Wisdom is going to mislynch me tomorrow if Jingle flips green, and Wisdom/Creature was the remaining scum all along.

Ser why I follow you, Wisdom? Who is making more sense right now, you or me?

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because you're not providing your own thoughts

everyone else gave their thoughts about the setup and justified them (well except nancy who is just ignoring the setup and is stubbornly insisting on her soul reads)

youre just going "whatever its creature or jingle because people seem to think so"

I did the exact same thing yesterday and you had no problems with it. You're not answering my question.

And I provided my thoughts: I'm townreading Creature, I think setup wise that BBmolla is more likely scum, but I think your reasoning about Creature/Jingle makes sense and I'm following it, as I've been doing since forever. You're starting to piss me off

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If you want me to stop following you, fine. Your ego is smaller than I thought.

VOTE: BBMolla

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I want to lynch Creature now 'cause it feels like Wisdom is going to mislynch me tomorrow if Jingle flips green, and Wisdom/Creature was the remaining scum all along.

Ser why I follow you, Wisdom? Who is making more sense right now, you or me?

No PB, don’t make me withdraw that townread I had on you.

I was pointing out how off I've been this game so the optimal course of action is follow whoever I think is carrying the game, but now the carry thinks that's scum motivated. I'm still townreading both of them.

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i dont want you to stop following me

i want you to explain to me in your own thoughts what gamestate you are seeing here and who is scum

you're still not doing that

I think I've done it at least four times. The scumteam was informed about the millers, fa fakeclaimed, BBmolla is a scum PR, can't confirm what 'cause I think Clem roleblocked you, but still could be a roleblocker since we have a claimed Willbooster. That's my take on the gamestate, and my other take is that Nancy, Creature and you are all town (and Nero obviously) and that your reads have been better than mine and you are overall better than me for solving this particular game, so even if I have my own take on the gamestate, I have to be humble about it and think that your take is better than mine.

If you keep going with this fuckery you're going to make me cry, Wisdom. What else do you want from me, be more specific if you still think I'm not providing what you're asking me to give

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Yes, exactly. Having the opportunity to fakeclaim a Miller until the informed scum flips is OP; a bunch of millers is not townsided; Makis role is full of WIFOM because of millers; a backup rolecop is useless jntil the rolecop dies; willbooster sounds meh; and Clem is the only cool PR we had. This setup doesn't seem townsided to me, seems like how things resolved made it pro town

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Ehh, this is fine anyway. Might as well bail out while I can. Lead Town to victory, Clem. I know you can do it.

My teammates are [Redacted] and [Redacted]. I wish them luck.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

PS: Too the Traitor: Yeah, we're informed you exist. So just do whatever your doing and try not to get shot by us. Considering this is probably the only time you get open communication with the main scum team, I feel likes it's good for you too know.

I was promised Ariel and Mermaids but all I got was a grumpy Barnacle in Wisdom.

I want my money back.

Elsa said "yeah, we're informed you exist" in case Firebringer was lynched and flipped "informed goon" in order to make us believe that was the piece of info they got instead of the existence of millers. There's no traitor and one Miller is scum. And I could go further and say that Elsa had three partners instead of two since she said "my teammates are redacted and redacted" to make us believe she had only two partners instead of three.

So yes, I believe BBmolla is scum, and if the game doesn't end when he flips red, then Kaito is the remaining scum.

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Creature asked everyone why they were town on D1 and he began saying that he was town for poking FA. FA and Creature are never scum together now that I remember that back and forth. And FA's reaction to Creature pushing her was scummy

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Reading is for nerds. Nero is too cool for that shit

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Why MyLo? How?

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Why does everyone hate Nero? His avatar is cool as fuck

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I like you despite you sometimes being a little badass

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Actually Jingle, I think you're somewhat confscum for proposing the no lynch. If you really think there's two scum remaining, lynching today is far better than tomorrow, since Nero is conftown and he will be certainly killed tomorrow so the LyLo would be better for scum in this case; only one wrong vote on town and they quick lynch. They need two wrong votes in this situation.

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It's not indistinguishable; MyLo needs two wrong votes, LyLo needs one. Nero said exactly what I said: he would probably the nightkill and would be useless to no lynch today. And he's wrong: Creature rolecopping someone would've nice at some point before LyLo, but that didn't happen. We won't lynch someone based on Creature's result 'cause he still could be scum and we don't have a lynch to spare to confirm that.

So no, no lynch guarantees the death of Nero, and my point still stands: the scumteam would need only one wrong vote to win instead of two. I don't want to vote Kaito in case it's you and Creature; on LyLo, you just need Nancy to vote him. This is just an example, of course. I think it's you and Kaito. But I want you dead first.

VOTE: Jingle

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You're not conftown like Nero, Creature. Scum still can create wifom about you.

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That's the point: Creature could be roleblocked and that's good WIFOM material for LyLo.

P-edit even if they don't focus on you, they could focus on me and trust you'll vote me. Let's agree that, if we are right about Jingle/Kaito they have to do whatever they can to survive at this point, since town is agreeing on them. @Creature

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Jingle shading me with the kindergarden comment is scum. Bye.

I understand your point, but you're talking about something I haven't commented and you keep avoiding that: you need two wrong votes here, you need one wrong vote in LyLo, and since we have a conftown that won't be tomorrow, it's better for scum to go to LyLo. So you shading me and trying to depict me as an idiot when I wasn't talking about maths is scummy as fuck.

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Jingle, if you're town and there are two scum remaining, Kaito + Creature will be confirmed as not the scumteam. That would mean either A) you're scum, B) scum is voting you, or C) there's only one scum remaining. From my PoV, B) would only be possible if Nancy is scum, and even after losing to scum!Nancy recently, I couldn't be more sure she's town here. So either we got you, or the game doesn't end with your lynch

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Jingle shading me with the kindergarden comment is scum. Bye.

I understand your point, but you're talking about something I haven't commented and you keep avoiding that: you need two wrong votes here, you need one wrong vote in LyLo, and since we have a conftown that won't be tomorrow, it's better for scum to go to LyLo. So you shading me and trying to depict me as an idiot when I wasn't talking about maths is scummy as fuck.

The fact that you have a buffer vote in MYLO is meaningless, unless you're assuming people are dumb enough to allow for quickhammering in MYLO.

And no, the fact that people who haven't been in thread haven't quickhammered is not proof of anything.

Also Nancy, the whole refusing to reevaluate bit? That kinda just proves my point.

I wash my hands of this loss. It's on you guys.

Ok, if you don't get lynched when Kaito and Creature post together... Same point, dude.

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what you actually need to do is to not read previous posts wanting them to make sense with a particular scenario you have in mind, because you can twist nearly everything into making sense with whatever you want. You are prone to doing this all the time.

@nancy

Hopefully you'll actually listen in the postgame.

Lovely that you're quoting the guy who wanted you dead the most are you frustrated because we are right for the wrong reasons?

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What I think happened from their minds was "Kaito votes Jingle to distance 'cause he's mostly the obvious next flip, so by flipping red he gives town points to Jingle for the next day.", but since we're flipping Jingle first they won't get that plan going

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Oh sorry Jingle, I forgot about his flip on your read. I thought he changed to Molla in order to say us "I told you" postgame and that he kept thinking you were scum.

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Do you think it's Kaito/Creature? Kaito/me? I get your points on optimal mechanical play of no lynching, but what do you think about the two wrong votes vs one wrong vote I'm saying?

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Hey I just realized that Jingle has been on L-1 since Nancy's vote 'cause Kaito voted Jingle at the very begining of the day. So Creature is conftown from my PoV then, the only way Jingle flips town is a Kaito/Nancy team or that there's only one scum remaining and it's not Jingle. If it's the first case, I again lose fair and square to scum!Nancy, and if it's the latter, we lynch Kaito tomorrow and we win too. Like, my only reason to unvote Jingle would be voting Kaito, jut then it would be the same two circumstances for Kaito to be town: either it's Jingle/Nancy or it's Jingle alone. So let's just lynch Jingle 'cause he would be the PR of the team

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Oh forgot considering Creature as partner, duh.

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Uggg Jingle that post was townie as fuck not gonna lie, but Creature can't be Kaito's partner so if you think Kaito is scum then it would be either Nancy or me and that's not possible, sorry

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Don't worry Nancy my doubts right now include you as town always. I have thought two alternatives: Creature is the remaining scum because Wisdom's point about Gamma using the Willbooster role is very likely true, and Willbooster doesn't make sense as scum; and the second alternative is that Kaito is an SK who decided to go incognito mode until the very end of the game, but an SK with 3 scum sounds unbalanced for scum so there could be 4, but that would mean Kaito SK, Jingle and Creature scum and town lose if we lynch today (if we lynch scum!Jingle, scum!Creature shoots Nero and then we can't win because either SK!Kaito or scum!Creature goes to endgame), but if we no-lynch we force SK!Kaito to shoot scum because scum would win with two remaining townies, but the result would be the same and town would lose. Oh, realized while I was writting that, if Kaito is an SK, town already lost lol so let's be positive and assume we still have a chance to win.

So my only concern is Jingle being the Willbooster claim and Creature is the only remaining scum. As Kaito said, if Jingle is town and the game continues, Kaito is conftown. But between Jingle and Creature, I still think it's Jingle

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As Kaito said, if Jingle is town and the game continues, Kaito is conftown.

Or, more likely, if Jingle is town and gets lynched, the game ends in a scumwin.

The only way that could be true is Kaito partnered with me or Nancy and I've already stated that's impossible from my PoV. Or Nancy partnered with me but I haven't seen nobody think of that

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Yeah I'll stop with getting paranoid, I just want you lynched.

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@Nancy I was checking what kind of role would be a counter for rolecop, like showing "Vanilla" when it really isn't (like Godfather to a cop) but I couldn't find anything. But in the Rolecop page said that SK shows Vanilla, so I came with that theory, but it doesn't really matter

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Yeah I know, that's why I said he could be going incognito until the end when needed

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No, the other alternative is that we are dealing with one remaining scum and not two, but even in that case Creature should've hammered already.

@nero even if Creature was bad, lynching town!Jingle means winning. His partner would be REALLY pissed if he took this long to vote.

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Nero, how many times will I have to requote myself until you stop fucking WIFOMing my slot? I'm a VT, and I claimed VT at a point where it had no scum motivation. Stop.

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Explain what. I claimed VT in a game that has a lot of confirmed town PRs; why not claim Miller at the begining? Why claim VT in the middle of the game instead of wait to see what could I claim instead? Why not save it until MyLo/LyLo or whenever I'm asked for it? Answer yourself, Nero. If we lose this game by mislynching me instead of going for obvscum!Kaito and Jingle (if there's two remaining scum), you're going to give Wisdom the biggest of smiles. Is that what you want? Wisdom smiling? That makes me shiver.

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Can we lynch Jingle already please, I'm tired of Nero WIFOMing my slot

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Fuck off, dancing 'merican. I have answered every single shit you have pointed towards me, with patience and maternal love. And you keep going and going and going and going and going...







...and going and going and going with the same. old. bullshit about my slot. READ MY FUCKING ISO IF YOU STILL HAVE DOUBTS, DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK AND THEN MAKE ME WORK IF YOU'RE STILL NOT CONVINCED. YOU DIDN'T READ THE WHOLE GAME, THAT'S ON YOU, NOT ME.

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Like, you're so fucking convinced about your token VT theory that you can't believe that I'm town. What the fuck is that shit. Do you want to lose because of your ego telling you you're right about something you have NOTHING to back up other than "only one VT has flipped, that must mean there's only one VT hurr durr".

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How does the informed variant works? Is there by any chance that FB would get more and more info every night, and that the Willbooster was made to avoid him not getting info?

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Why would scum!PB want to lynch Kaito over Wisdom?

he's bussing. He's buddying Wisdom into not investigating him. Katio was an easier lynch than Wisdom. Those are 3 possible reasons.

Yeah and Wisdom gets a vanilla result on me and I get to 1v1 Kaito. Go on.

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If you keep thinking I could be scum you're 100% confirming you haven't read the thread.

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and I get to 1v1 Kaito

Why would a vanilla result on you 'cause a 1v1 with you and Katio?

Because Kaito is the other vanilla result and the theory that people is agreeing more is that Kaito is scum with someone else because of lack of scum power. You think I'm lying and that I'm a scum PR, right?

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When did I say I was scumreading you when you were confirmed? When I said we should sheep Chara about your slot? I already explained that... Nero, you're really throwing the game for nothing.

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@Nancy I checked the wiki and Informed gets info at the begining of the game so it's not what I thought how the scum Willbooster would work with his team

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? I'm not saying I'm town for saying you're throwing the game. I'm still shivering, Wisdom must be laughing his ass off.

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And yeah sure it's dumb. If I get lynched and we lose the game because of this, I'm absolutely giving you 100% the responsability.

Vote Jingle and stop this idiocy.

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We can vote Kaito too, I'm on Jingle 'cause he's closer to the lynch. If the rest goes to Kaito I'm going to Kaito

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No, you're the classic middle aged customer who wants to speak with the manager. Well bad news, Karen, I'm the manager, and I want you out of my store.

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I'm out.

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Yay, I made it to the end!

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Oh and there were three VTs, but we always considered Kaito to be a Goon instead of VT

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Jingle, I understand that it was mechanically correct, I really do. But with how the gamestate was, with a claimed back up rolecop and an IC, do you still think it was a good idea to no lynch for town? If there were 2 scum left, of course.

p-edit agree with dave. Yesterday I was driving back from the airport and started to get paranoid about a Kaito/Nancy scumteam I decided to shut up 'cause I would get lynched if I said that

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Ok, I get your point of view on that matter now, I think you're right. You never answered me that during the game tho, I would've agreed I think. Maybe not 'cause I was convinced it was between you and Kaito, but yeah I understand now.

As I said, well played Jingle, you did pretty good for what you had. You not giving reads was the scummiest thing you did, but you had no choice.

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Almost forgot, happy bday Nancy!!