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Post Post #10 (isolation #0) » Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:19 am

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VOTE: BrightEyedFish

I'm from the south and the day just started
you can find me out on the bayou
Gotta catch some fish
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Post Post #17 (isolation #1) » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:54 am

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In post 13, Robert2424 wrote:Hello everyone, I'm actually not familiar with this them, somebody want to give me a brief.
Based on a video game that's a spiritual successor to Bioshock.
In the game, humanity is at war with these shape-shifter things.
Humanity is also developing a few technologies to try to help them beat the shape-shifters:
1. Injections that give you memories of other people
2. Injections that maybe even give you some shape shifter powers or some wild shit

Anyway, I don't wanna spoil anything for the game, but a lot of the game itself takes place on a spaceship where your enemies are shapeshifters.
Robots with AI exist but they're generally on the side of the humans, too.
You have to make a bunch of moral decisions that may or may not doom all of humanity.

It's a REALLY good game.
If you don't feel like playing it, then I highly suggest watching this video, though it contains major major spoilers so I just suggest playing the game if you even have an inkling of a notion of doing it:
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Post Post #28 (isolation #2) » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:40 am

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In post 25, minhyukwithagun wrote:Out of curiosity, how often do town correctly identify mafia here? It seems like 12 days is counterproductive because it gives mafia more time to blend in or cover their tracks, versus something high pressure like 30 seconds.
How often? Fairly regularly, though I think scum tend to win mountainous (no Power-role) setups more often on-site.
Yeah, you do lose some immediacy but you gain a lot more from having a wider breadth of content to take in and more time to engage players and positions.
Basically applying pressure and checking player consistency across several posts is what tends to net scum.
You usually still get higher pressure situations when deadlines draw near.

A lot of people have trouble blending in for months at a time as scum, y'know. It can be a hard act to keep up.
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Post Post #32 (isolation #3) » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:44 pm

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Oh boy if you think this is too many
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Post Post #71 (isolation #4) » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:37 am

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Does A50 usually claim early?
Also don't understand the Enter wagon at all.
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Post Post #80 (isolation #5) » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:19 am

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What makes your wagon not relevant?
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Post Post #92 (isolation #6) » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:41 am

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VOTE: Enter
I don't like that he hard-dodged my question about what wagons are viable or not.
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Post Post #114 (isolation #7) » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:06 pm

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UNVOTE:

Can you explain what makes a wagon relevant
'cus I'd say yours being at L-2 when I voted made it incredibly relevant.
I still don't know why a lot of people started voting you, but apparently you're in a neighborhood? Does that have to do with it?

@Chara: Why not A50, who threatened to hammer?
Feels like you might be tilting a bit much here.
I still don't understand why Enter's wagon flew up to L-2 so fast, but Enter seeming to have hard dodged that made me want to put real pressure there. I trusted we wouldn't have a Boonskies situation and see a quickhammer.
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Post Post #156 (isolation #8) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:23 am

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@Chara: Didn't know if it was a joke for sure, but I was fairly certain that Enter posting but not addressing me felt like a hard dodge and I was curious why he was disregarding direct addresses when sitting at L-2 even. When I say 'tilted' I mean like 'tilting your hand' not like you were invested to the point of making mistakes (like how the phrase usually gets used) but it is similar--I feel like the way you're handling Enter betrays a confident townread there and I dunno why you have so much confidence in any read this early on. What's the deal?

@Redtea: I don't think that Enter feels the pressure on them is serious or was serious, even at L-1. I didn't see them sweating. They were cool under pressure and I don't know what to make of it.

@skitter: I still lean Enter more scum than town, though if it is the case, I feel he's being bussed by someone and so he's being cool about the reality of his wagon. I dunno, though, and it bothers me.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #9) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:09 am

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In post 157, Enter wrote:Hmm... it's almost like I goaded people into voting me and then I wasn't surprised when they did.

Do you love playing scum, Varsoon? Serious question. Also please answer my other question.
What's your other question?

And yeah I generally enjoy playing both alignments. I like playing VT more than PRs, but I enjoy a role that has cool abilities. It REALLY bums me out when I get lynched or killed early with a cool role, though, so I have some conflicting feelings about being a TPR.
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Post Post #160 (isolation #10) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:11 am

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Also, I wanna make something fairly clear.
VOTE: Varsoon

This should clear things up for Chara, at least.
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Post Post #161 (isolation #11) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:12 am

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In post 153, Enter wrote:Alright question:

If moderator came down and said we had to Lynch someone right now, is there anyone who would be a opposed to lynching me?
Eh, I'd probably be against it given how easy your wagon got run up.
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Post Post #166 (isolation #12) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:17 am

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Enter, you were never at L-1.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #13) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:08 am

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Nirvana played sweet jams and hella grunge from '87 to '94--they definitely existed.
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Post Post #175 (isolation #14) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:19 am

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I can render myself voteless for the day, yeah.
When I was discussing my PM with the mod, I said I wanted to do it for D1 but since I never sent the action in specifically, he hadn't counted it and now it's been retroactively applied.
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Post Post #176 (isolation #15) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:21 am

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Anyway, it did get people to react as if I had put an RVS flash-wagon at L-1 so it worked as (sort of) a reaction test. Dunno what that says about Chara and Enter, though.
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Post Post #182 (isolation #16) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:02 am

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In post 180, Persivul wrote:
In post 175, Varsoon wrote:I can render myself voteless for the day, yeah.
When I was discussing my PM with the mod, I said I wanted to do it for D1 but since I never sent the action in specifically, he hadn't counted it and now it's been retroactively applied.
Why would you want to be voteless?
Having a vote is a huge responsibility man
I wanna see how much I can do without a vote.

Why do you wanna know?
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Post Post #191 (isolation #17) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:30 am

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In post 186, mcqueen wrote:
In post 175, Varsoon wrote:I can render myself voteless for the day, yeah.
When I was discussing my PM with the mod, I said I wanted to do it for D1 but since I never sent the action in specifically, he hadn't counted it and now it's been retroactively applied.
question; so if at any point during the day you choose to make yourself votesless, any prior votes by you are rendered null?

maybe I’m overreacting, but does this not sound very manipulative, especially late game?
Nah, I have to decide before the day begins.
And I fail to see how it's manipulative when I told you outright on D1 this is how my ability works. :P

P-EDIT:
@Chara: Howso (re: Enter Tilt)?
I wanna know why you're confident in Enter being town here. I don't get why the wagon exists or why anyone would hard-town Enter here either.
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Post Post #193 (isolation #18) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:46 am

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Mmm. Supersaint or Vengeful something?
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Post Post #212 (isolation #19) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:38 am

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At first I thought the mod was putting my vote on people to signify it was there but wasn't counting it against them. When I realized he was actually very likely counting it against them, I sent another PM.
S'all good. Just glad I didn't try to fake-hammer gambit on it is all.
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Post Post #214 (isolation #20) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:58 am

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What are your reads otherwise?
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Post Post #235 (isolation #21) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:02 am

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VOTE: Fish
Why would you be worried about a co-ordinated in-PT push that was fabricated solely for reactions?
If anything, it serves 2 purposes:
1. If scum really is in the PT, then they'd hear from their PT-mate and react in a 'proper' way
2. Town who had no clue would react in a genuine way

It seems like it could provide good info, maybe. Why would you oppose that?
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Post Post #238 (isolation #22) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:18 am

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Here.
In post 233, BrightEyedFish wrote:ok, here is my synapsis

Player X: Which of you is scum?

Me: Why must one of us be scum.

Enter: Hey, I found scum
(Proceeds to vote me in Game Thread)

Me: You really SR for that?

Enter: No, I will tunnel you for reactions.

Enter: Yay, chara agrees with me, I can die happy.

Remember this is a paraphrase.
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Post Post #306 (isolation #23) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:26 pm

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I wish SaGa Scarlet Grace had a Western release.
Tempted to import it even though I don't know a lick of Japanese.
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Post Post #377 (isolation #24) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:18 pm

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We need to consolidate wagons, homies.
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Post Post #381 (isolation #25) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:17 pm

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Lol BEF
I am voteless
D for reading comprehension
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Post Post #383 (isolation #26) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:53 pm

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So I take you haven't read the thread, BEF?
What could I do to convince you to read it and give reads?
Would you do it for a BEFFY snack?
How'about TWO BEFFY snacks?
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Post Post #384 (isolation #27) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:54 pm

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If you catch up, I can hook you up with twelve fascinating issues of Zoobooks, including the elephants issue as a gift plus a colorful collection of animal stickers and the tiger poster.

That's right.

Catch up now and send learning and fun to a child you love.
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Post Post #392 (isolation #28) » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:21 am

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Oh shit it's my boy

How come I can remember all the fucking Espada and even most the Sternritter but I couldn't tell you even half the users in this game?
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Post Post #401 (isolation #29) » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:59 am

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I wish we were just real masons and not pretend
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Post Post #404 (isolation #30) » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:46 am

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Civ always disappoints me. I get all excited for the first 50+ turns of discovery and stuff, but then there's like only a handful of optimal strategies and so I go with one and the game becomes 'press next turn to win' for like 100+ more turns depending on how I decided to do it.
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Post Post #406 (isolation #31) » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:13 pm

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They made it a bit easier in the newest game to appease the NPCs but on harder difficulties you basically have to
1. Do everything they like
2. Never settle near them or take their stuff
3. Have a military that's much stronger than theirs

Only then do they pledge allegiance all game.
The biggest thing is the military--even if you're the best ally of all time, if your military sucks, they'll just undermine and eventually turn on you if they realize you're on track to win before them.
And that's really the heart of what I don't like about the game--I want to play this Civilization Sim but it quickly becomes a game of getting to a win condition and prizing that win condition over anything else influences both how I and the NPCs play in a way that doesn't feel conducive towards the sort of nuanced negotiations, relationships, and worldbuilding that I want from the game.
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Post Post #408 (isolation #32) » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:13 pm

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That's fair, I've kinda blown loads this game and I dunno who's likely to be what.
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Post Post #412 (isolation #33) » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:39 pm

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I think that BEF isn't reading which, in general, I'd associate that more likely to come from town than scum.
I couldn't tell you what RedTea's posts are like at all.
Your posts are solid, though the jab at fake masons (FakeSons) and the subsequent "Well I always scumread Varsoon!" has me thrown for a loop.
Uh, who else is in this game?
Enter got wagoned really early but I don't know that they're scum.
I actually think the way their wagon formed and dissipated is probably a good place to look if you're a looking kind of player.
Shit, uh, let's see who you said was in this
A50's given me good vibes, iirc.
Persivul keeps fuckin drillin me and I dunno why
Chara and Zito are kinda just there
implosion exists?
I have no idea who the fuck quesy, queen, and skitty are.

S'bout where I am
So yeah
I suck at this.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #34) » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:57 pm

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Enter, what makes you so sure RedTea is town here
Are ya'll secret-fakeSons too?
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Post Post #422 (isolation #35) » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:14 pm

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Don't recall skittles at all.

A50's tone, I think. That cheekiness. Maybe it's just how A50 posts. I also wonder if that dude's 50 or older yet and if when he does turn 50, he'll make a new account since he won't be almost 50 any longer.
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Post Post #426 (isolation #36) » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:28 pm

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In post 425, Xtoxm wrote:mimic
Hey wait last time I visited this page, there wasn't a VC here, it was this post
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Post Post #427 (isolation #37) » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:29 pm

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AND THAT'S WHAT PLAYING PREY IS LIKE
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Post Post #443 (isolation #38) » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:06 am

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@BEF: Elbirn literally had just replaced in, you've been here since the game started and posted both before and after I redactedly became voteless.
Sorry if it felt like I was giving you shit, I just think it is actually fair to be critical of you for not remembering that.
Then again, as I've said, I don't even remember the whole playerlist so
That's why I think it's more likely you're town than not.
When I'm scum I am way more apt to keep notes, even if it's just mental ones.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #39) » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:46 pm

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Who did robert replace?
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Post Post #480 (isolation #40) » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:29 pm

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I went voteless because I wanted to.
I already told everyone why--asking me to share more is like trying to get blood from a stone.
Yeah, there might be more to what going voteless does for me mechanically, but if you keep digging, I'm going to think you're fishing rather than just questioning something odd.
We can hit majority easily enough without my vote. If it is a concern in the future, I'll be able to get my vote back, don't worry.
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Post Post #489 (isolation #41) » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:16 pm

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Skitter, when motherfuckers are clearly rolefishing, it's not 'threatening a scumread' it's me being like, "There is no town reason to know this info. Stop."
If I need to be that blunt about it, then there you go.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #42) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:26 am

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In post 490, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 489, Varsoon wrote:Skitter, when motherfuckers are clearly rolefishing, it's not 'threatening a scumread' it's me being like, "There is no town reason to know this info. Stop."
If I need to be that blunt about it, then there you go.
You announced that you were voteless unprovoked and that brings questions and suspicions from town and scum. If you chose not to announce we would have probably picked up on you being voteless from the VCs.

So Your reaction to people questioning your claim comes across as unneeded AtE. At least that's the issue I'm having.
Yeah it's not like the VCs had to be retroactively redacted or that I used it as a gambit or that I adhere to a philosophy that negative utility should be claimed
Yeah fuck me for trying to be transparent about my shit that makes me weaker
Also fuck me for joking with an old friend who I've played tons of games with on site, I guess

I think you're hard-bitter given the earlier push I had on you and that I accused you of not reading. Get over it.
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Post Post #525 (isolation #43) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:35 am

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Motivated's good. Just direct that at actual solving. If the way I've played does make you question my alignment rather than make it clear, then that's on me and I'll own it. Do you have any questions for me or is it just accusations?

What are some of your other reads?
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Post Post #527 (isolation #44) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:42 am

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What makes you scumread Elbirn so hard?

And, really, a hesitation to townread any slot--can you go more into that? Even players like Zito and A50?
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Post Post #529 (isolation #45) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:57 am

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I think that's a fair enough stance if you really can't come to any conclusions.
They problem is that if you're not really committing to hard reads early on, it becomes a lot harder to read you as we start getting flips. It's like "Oh, what did BEF have to say about that guy? Ah.... not much" if that makes sense. I tend to get my best reads from interactions rather than from infospec, so maybe try that instead? In my experience, scum tend to want to keep their options open as possible, which is why I'm critical of that kind of play--you're also scumreading Elbirn, which is a stance I don't agree with and I feel is a bit easy to take given how many have taken it. Once again--can you go a bit more into why Elbirn is your top scumread?

What players do you think you need to interact more with?
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Post Post #530 (isolation #46) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:58 am

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The problem*
Anyway, like I said before, I feel like your play's more likely to come from town than scum. Usually scum aren't so openly lost unless they're scheming about it, and you don't seem to be scheming.
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Post Post #534 (isolation #47) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:55 am

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Wait, scum only ever jumps on wagons as a third vote?
This is news to me.
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Post Post #538 (isolation #48) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:59 am

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Alright I don't think I understand your last paragraph in post 533 then
Players having an unwarranted fixation for 3P on D1 does tilt info knowledge that's not readily available for town, so I can at least understand why Elbirn would scumread/want to pressure that.
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Post Post #546 (isolation #49) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:42 am

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P.sure Xtoxm also hates multiball like I do.
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Post Post #547 (isolation #50) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:42 am

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But yeah thanks for explaining that 3rd vote thing. Doesn't really make sense for non-newbie games though but whatever.
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Post Post #550 (isolation #51) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:56 am

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I missed that post by implosion but that's such a dumb-fuck stance to have it baffles me
Yeah I guess every town player should always full claim the second any part of their role becomes obvious and if they resist people pushing for their claim they're clearly scum posturing
Fuck off with that noise
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Post Post #551 (isolation #52) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:57 am

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I hard gaurantee at least one of these prats badgering me over how I claimed is scum trying to rattle my cage.
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Post Post #553 (isolation #53) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:03 am

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In post 552, Xtoxm wrote:mimic
CAUGHT ANOTHER ONE
I AM GOOD AT THIS GAME, YES?

Glad you're enjoying the theme.
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Post Post #561 (isolation #54) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:43 am

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@Enter: Yeah bby just talk to me don't be shy

@Elbirn: You sound like my dad
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Post Post #563 (isolation #55) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:57 am

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In post 558, Papa Zito wrote:Aha. That answers it for me, thanks.


I have 3 good scumreads and a Super Secret Pocket Scumread + a handful of good townreads, this is gr8.
Wanna share with the class?
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Post Post #566 (isolation #56) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:14 am

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@Implosion: Then what argument ARE you making?

@Skitter: I haven't been keeping a list, but implosion gives me the worst vibes. I'm townreading A50 still and townleaning Zito but those aren't huge confidence reads.
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Post Post #569 (isolation #57) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:15 am

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to be fair, mcqueen, I can't recall a single one of your posts or stances.
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Post Post #570 (isolation #58) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:15 am

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In post 567, Papa Zito wrote:
In post 563, Varsoon wrote:
In post 558, Papa Zito wrote:Aha. That answers it for me, thanks.


I have 3 good scumreads and a Super Secret Pocket Scumread + a handful of good townreads, this is gr8.
Wanna share with the class?
I don't think it makes sense to do so at this point.
Aren't we pretty close to deadline?
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Post Post #571 (isolation #59) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:16 am

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Maybe I should play like you, though
I've got three scumreads and a pocket townread
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Post Post #573 (isolation #60) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:46 am

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You and I don't see eye to eye on BEF.
What do you think makes him scum?
I just finished a towngame with him so my meta there is a bit fresh.
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Post Post #579 (isolation #61) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:45 am

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In post 577, Robert2424 wrote:
In post 575, Xtoxm wrote:mimic
Is this an inside joke I'm just not getting?
A huge bulk of the enemies in Prey are mimics.
They can mimic anything from cups to desk laps to chairs to even people.
A lot of the game is spent second-guessing if something is an enemy or a mimic. You'll sneak up and knock a coffee mug off a desk just because you didn't think it was in the room last time.
Anyway so the idea is that the Vote counts in this game are mimics and he posts mimic then posts the VC in an edit.
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Post Post #583 (isolation #62) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:40 pm

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Tone.
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Post Post #588 (isolation #63) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:10 pm

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Well you're both wrong.
I soulread him as town.
So there.
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Post Post #592 (isolation #64) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:54 pm

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It's something dumb people have been saying recently to try to indicate they've got a strong read for reasons.
In reality though, it's town tone from A50, imo.
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Post Post #602 (isolation #65) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:59 am

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@implosion: Nah, dude, you're just scum, and if I had my vote, I'd be voting you. I'd be more than happy to see you flip today and the fact that you've doubled down on me and Red Tea feels like you're just shipping out the easiest scumreads without any worthwhile interactions with either slot.

If you think I wouldn't get irritated re: my role and others giving me shit for my play, I welcome you to visit my profile and go read any of my last half-dozen games, where I've consistently been aggro on that front to the point of receiving a signup ban.

You keep applying this standard net for what is scum play or not in order to malign me instead of actually thinking of what makes sense coming from me; you aren't engaging with me at all, you're just calling me scum and justifying it with whatever reason sounds good.
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Post Post #603 (isolation #66) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:00 am

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I don't think that failure to have conviction is a scum tell either, so I don't understand how you can find your stance re: Red Tea defensible. If anything, Day 1 aimlessness is a trait I associate with town.
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Post Post #616 (isolation #67) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:28 am

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I poop more townie nuggets
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Post Post #617 (isolation #68) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:28 am

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I still couldn't tell you what Robert has done this game so maybe there's a nugget of truth to that? I dunno, though.
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Post Post #619 (isolation #69) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:35 am

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Don't break your neck from being so eager, Enter.
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Post Post #621 (isolation #70) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:57 am

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OK with and passionate for a lynch on scum are worlds apart for me.
You really don't have anyone you think is absolutely gonna flip red?
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Post Post #633 (isolation #71) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:38 am

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Thanks for eliminating any doubts I had about your alignment, Elbirn.

Also-also, friendly reminder we have less than 3 days to get a majority lynch.
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Post Post #634 (isolation #72) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:39 am

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In post 632, Elbirn wrote:
In post 630, Papa Zito wrote:Where's my @
We can work together and make one up right now!

@Papa Zito


Why the Robert scumread? I feel as though he's about to be the low-content, low-charisma, "Who is this guy again, oh shit deadline we need a lynch uhhh byebye" Day 1 obligatory mislynch. I don't see content worth scumreading, he's just sortofhere. Share your vision with me bbz

Elbirn why do you have to pluck the words from my
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I wish I could be this articulate right now
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Post Post #655 (isolation #73) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:13 pm

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viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78012

BEF was lynched when he fake-claimed as town
I played like crap that game but came around near the end so maybe I played good actually but ugh.
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Post Post #665 (isolation #74) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:28 am

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In post 656, mcqueen wrote:you think his play here is similar to that game?
A bit.
I see him as town here the same way I thought he could be town there.
Only thing that had me willing to vote him there was that he claimed a role that felt incompatible with mine.
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Post Post #666 (isolation #75) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:38 am

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@Implosion: Oh man I react to when people direct address me
FUCKIN WILD
Now keep walking back your hot take on me so you have plausible deniability when I flip town, you scumfuck
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Post Post #667 (isolation #76) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:38 am

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VOTE: Implosion
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Post Post #676 (isolation #77) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:29 am

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In post 675, Xtoxm wrote:mimic
Gottem
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Post Post #712 (isolation #78) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:02 pm

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In post 687, mcqueen wrote:
In post 527, Varsoon wrote:What makes you scumread Elbirn so hard?

And, really, a hesitation to townread any slot--can you go more into that? Even players like Zito and A50?
Why are Zito and A50 your top two townreads? They haven't done much?
Zito exudes a town confidence that feels very driven by conclusions that he naturally came to and developed/expressed.
A50's tone is really townie to me.
You don't have to do much to be town, quality over quantity, man.
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Post Post #786 (isolation #79) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:53 am

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I always felt like combat in kingdom hearts was super janky
and I'm not really a disney fan and
The anime stuff is kinda convoluted and not really appealing to me
Aint my game sadly
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Post Post #813 (isolation #80) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:44 am

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VOTE: Robert

Not that it'll do anything but we can always dream
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Post Post #846 (isolation #81) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:35 am

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@BEF: What makes you positive scum's in your hood and didn't just, y'know, shoot one of the people in the hood to make people think that shit?
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Post Post #847 (isolation #82) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:36 am

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Also, I didn't expect two motherfuckers to die, so I'm still without a vote today, so we'll need literally everyone on a scum wagon to get a lynch, so get your shit together.
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Post Post #848 (isolation #83) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:37 am

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VOTE: Implosion

As proof.
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Post Post #854 (isolation #84) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:32 am

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In post 849, skitter30 wrote:
In post 846, Varsoon wrote:@BEF: What makes you positive scum's in your hood and didn't just, y'know, shoot one of the people in the hood to make people think that shit?
i mean, for them to have lucked out on a lover kill seems slightly implausible to me. not impossible, just not super likely
like killing redtea last night without knowledge of the lover thing is kinda .... a really really really dumb kill given the two wagons yesterday

killing enter is slightly more plausible to me, but not much
It doesn't really seem like luck when scum shooting blind out of people in the hood would hit a lover like half the time, right?
In post 851, skitter30 wrote:
In post 847, Varsoon wrote:Also, I didn't expect two motherfuckers to die, so I'm still without a vote today, so we'll need literally everyone on a scum wagon to get a lynch, so get your shit together.
... is this like an every day thing? because if we're on evens your lack of vote kinda makes things difficult
I can stop after today, given we're on evens. I just have to submit it the phase before.
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Post Post #855 (isolation #85) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:33 am

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That shit just stinks like a red herring to me.
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Post Post #858 (isolation #86) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:42 am

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They wouldn't know if they were lovers or not--I'm saying if scum shot anyone out of the hood, they'd have a good chance of hitting the lovers, off of randing it alone.

I don't know why scum would want to shoot in the hood regardless, especially if they're in there, doubly so if they suspected the shot would flip lovers.
I imagine the point of killing anyone in the hood was to WIFOM people into focusing on the hood shit a ton, ie: a red herring.
I think the lovers stuff is all a fluke, but since I'm not in the hood, I can't say for sure.
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Post Post #870 (isolation #87) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:10 pm

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In post 859, skitter30 wrote:i think papa zito is scum
the fact that he's in the hood is additional evidence pointing in that direction but that's not why i'm voting him rn; i would have voted him there today irregardless

if scum flips in the hood you're a very viable partner imo given that you're trying to distract attention from there rn
I think Zito's town from play yesterday and I'm curious to see what he has to say about the 'gold' he was gonna get from the wagons.
Who all is even in the hood, though?
And I'm not distracting--I'm saying scum would've been cognizant enough to realize who would be suspected if they killed someone who claimed in-hood, so if scum is in the hood, they took the shot feeling they'd still be safe and that town would eat themselves alive trying to lynch in the hood-pool. Conversely, if no scum are in the hood and it was a fluke, then town trying to lynch in the hood means we just lose the fucking game. Regardless, unless you think ALL OF THE SCUM are in the hood, then it makes more sense to scumhunt independent of the hood and weight scumreads out the hood heavier, no?
In post 868, Elbirn wrote:
In post 847, Varsoon wrote:Also, I didn't expect two motherfuckers to die, so I'm still without a vote today, so we'll need literally everyone on a scum wagon to get a lynch, so get your shit together.
Varsoon you're gonna have to full claim your vote less thing buckaroo bonsai. I dont need to know what going vote less does, I just need to have it broken down for me like I'm 5 exactly how going voteless works, what conditions need to be met..I just need transparency on this thing m8
Fine.
So I can decide to go voteless until I decide not to be voteless anymore.
It's a no-backsies sort of thing.
I can do this before D1, too.
So I did.
Once I get my vote back, it's back permanently, but at a cost.
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Post Post #872 (isolation #88) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:50 pm

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Yeah man it's my night action so I should be good to go for tomorrow. If I'd have known we'd be 3 down, I would'a come back to voting today.
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Post Post #875 (isolation #89) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:56 pm

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Did you think they were scum too
Like why would you push someone to the point of truthfully claiming if you suspected scum were in the hood?
I really need you to break down what the fuck happened in there.
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Post Post #883 (isolation #90) » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:38 pm

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In post 880, Almost50 wrote:@Varsoon: You're very perceptive of late. I say no more "hinting" and you straight up claim you have a night action? WTF?
Clarity, since Elbirn asked nice-like and since it shouldn't screw me over to claim what I have.
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Post Post #899 (isolation #91) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:52 am

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...but is it true?
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Post Post #901 (isolation #92) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:20 am

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What bothers me is that BEF thinks there is scum in the hood but worries about his soft-claim being outted to town outside the hood.
Doesn't make sense.
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Post Post #907 (isolation #93) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:01 am

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@Percivul: You could just be trying to soak some townpoints because if you're scum you know there's gonna be fallout re:hood based on the kill anyway.

P-EDIT:
@Zito: Regardless, scum, if they are in the hood, took the kill because they feel safe doing so. If anything, you'd think scum with knowledge of lovers would just wait until the day before LYLO and do a quickhammer + Lovers kill, right? Also, with no mod-confirmed list, you could just have a scum spying and the people who posted weren't scum; if anything, that also seems like the more likely scum play, too. So I have to figure that if it wasn't a fluke, scum's in a safe position making that kill. Dunno how that tempers reads, really, though.
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Post Post #908 (isolation #94) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:02 am

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In post 906, Chara wrote:
In post 901, Varsoon wrote:What bothers me is that BEF thinks there is scum in the hood but worries about his soft-claim being outted to town outside the hood.
Doesn't make sense.
good point.
i still think he's town but i'd like to know why.
He feels like town playing by the seat of his pants
is that an expression that makes sense?
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Post Post #912 (isolation #95) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:17 pm

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In post 910, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 901, Varsoon wrote:What bothers me is that BEF thinks there is scum in the hood but worries about his soft-claim being outted to town outside the hood.
Doesn't make sense.
What I said is that I "have ways to conftown" and I have to "wait on a couple of people to post before I can make my moves"

This was also said during the peak of my argument with Enter who was SRing me and saying he was going to go all out on me today. I am still waiting on more info before I "make my moves" too.
Wait, so when Enter was scumreading you in the PT, you responded to that pressure by claiming you could conf-town in the PT?
And then Enter, who was saying he was going to go all out on you, got shot over you?

Has anyone else here played with BEF as scum before?
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Post Post #913 (isolation #96) » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:17 pm

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Like if you can conf-town, dude, do it ASAP
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Post Post #916 (isolation #97) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:22 am

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So why was Enter scumreading BEF in the first place, then?
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Post Post #919 (isolation #98) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:49 am

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Huh.
Do you think this was a framejob?
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Post Post #920 (isolation #99) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:50 am

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Way I see it is either BEF killed to protect himself after getting a juicy lovers claim
or
Scum in the hood saw a situation where BEF would look really bad and they could double kills on killing lover

I think the fluke of the kill landing how it did if there were no scum in the hood is too unlikely.
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Post Post #921 (isolation #100) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:52 am

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If hood really doesn't have a userlist though, I bet dollars to donuts that scum just didn't post there, but in that case, I wonder why the N1 kill wasn't on someone in the hood.
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Post Post #924 (isolation #101) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:13 am

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Shit I thought we were D3 then
Well yeah I'm willing to bet scum just didn't talk at all in the hood, unless BEF is scum and shot survivalistically, or scum think they won't get caught otherwise.
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Post Post #925 (isolation #102) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:14 am

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Yeah if Fish can conf-town he should probably do that.
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Post Post #929 (isolation #103) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:20 am

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I think it's possible he pushed them to claim in-hood and when it was a good claim and they'd be conf-town and it'd make him look really bad, he killed it to keep the worst from happening.
I really need to know the exact timeline, though.

I think that there's at least one scum in the hood but if they're posting or not, I'm not sure. It's possible they aren't and if they aren't and we think they are, we PoE ourselves into losing.
Determining factor for hypothetical BEF shooting Enter is more the claim than anything.
What's really notable is that BEF got frustrated that someone brought up his claim in the game thread. Don't know what to make of that.
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Post Post #930 (isolation #104) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:21 am

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Feels like the best approach is to see if BEF can conf-town,
and then to just scumhunt independent of it because if we PoE to posting hood members, there's potential we get smoked and it's not like every single scum would be in the hood either.
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Post Post #937 (isolation #105) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:29 am

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Throws me for a loop that lovers are even in a setup this size.
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Post Post #944 (isolation #106) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:07 pm

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Chara, I DREAM of the day that a mod has oversight enough to make a spy hood and then town is foolish enough to post anything truthful in there.
I'd actually probably wifom myself to death, though, because I'd assume town info posted there is all just PGO traps and shit.
But yeah if I was in a hood and my username wasn't a part of the hood, I wouldn't post in there at all. I'd also ask the mod if ANYONE knew the memberlist or if that was info I could reliably go off if.
If I suspected someone had the member list, then I would post, if only to WIFOM about how I wouldn't post if I was scum.

It'd be worth not posting, regardless, even if town never claimed anything useful or even used the hood much, since town might eventually try to PoE off of the hood and you could essentially play around that without them knowing they're wrong.
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Post Post #947 (isolation #107) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:10 pm

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You're right, other people might just go "Oh a hood to post in!"

Yeah actually I'd just not post and if someone came out with a memberlist later or some shit I'd be like "Oh I didn't realize I had access/misread my role PM" or some believable shit, but I'd play like a dunce before that so people would believe it as another goof in my string of gaffes.
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Post Post #949 (isolation #108) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:12 pm

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@Chara: I mean that I dream of the day where that's the case AND I am scum to benefit off of it.
As of now, we're up shit creek, which ain't great.
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Post Post #950 (isolation #109) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:17 pm

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Post Post #952 (isolation #110) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:20 pm

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In post 951, Xtoxm wrote:mimic
f you
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Post Post #958 (isolation #111) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:10 pm

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Pocket Skitter sounds like a neat pokemon, too.

I haven't had a good hoodgame in awhile. I was super jealous of how EVERYONE else had hoods in UpicketyPick, too.
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Post Post #963 (isolation #112) » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:37 pm

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In the air
I'll be honest
I forgot Elbirn and mcqueen were in this game until they posted today.

Otherwise it's like

TOWN
BEF if he confirms today
A50
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Chara
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Post Post #984 (isolation #113) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:48 am

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In post 964, Chara wrote:why is Zito so high, again? i think you said something about tone but i'm not remembering.
and also at least some sort of acknowledgement of both me and skitter saying Almost's tone isn't AI. :>
In post 965, Elbirn wrote:
In post 963, Varsoon wrote:I forgot Elbirn ... were in this game until they [sic] posted today.
I have difficulty believing this, and you've been kinda dodgy re: my slot.

Not sure what to make of it, dont have anything intelligent to say on the subject, I just think you're being w e i r d
I don't remember what you did on D1 besides move to fake-masons me, then paranoia scumread me? I dunno man. Do more stuff. Engage more. It's hard for me to draw a bead on you when you're either not present or just throwing up the usual 'Varsoon, dawgs'.

What's your take on the whole BEF thing? It resonates with me on another level, tbh.
In post 967, skitter30 wrote:
In post 963, Varsoon wrote:In the air
I'll be honest
I forgot Elbirn and mcqueen were in this game until they posted today.

Otherwise it's like

TOWN
BEF if he confirms today
A50
Zito
Chara
People I forgot exist
Persivul
implosion
BEF if he can't confirm
a) how are you reading me?
b) why is bef scum if he can't confirm exactly?
c) have you ever found a reason to townread a50 beyond tone
d) actually now that i think about it this whole list i don't really get in a holistic sense like at all. in comparison to my own reads this is like a random list of names
Oh, I forgot you too. You're town.
Was about to say he's more likely scum than not but I actually just remembered how in the last two games I played, I fake-claimed, as town, to try to get leverage above someone I hard scumread and in both instances, I was wrong. I also recall Kokichi doing this in several games (though not even for leverage) in what cynical-me feels like a series of plays meant to mock my bad play. With how BEF has handled coming out about it and without being able to see the original conversation, I really, really think BEF is just town that done fucked up and has been playing very haphazardly.

A50 feels consistent to me and I don't see them pushing what feels like a scum agenda. Also, I think I missed it on quote grab, but someone asked me about my Zito read and I think it's that Zito's so clear-cut and no bullshit and has followed up on every 'promise' they've made so they don't feel nebulous like scum usually are to me. Both the slots have a sort of consistent transparency in both their approach and thoughts that it bothers me how anyone reads them as scum--unless there's something in the hood I'm missing, I don't think I'm wrong.

I'm still sour about my interactions with implosion from the day before, which you should really go read how he was going for a lynch for me in the last stretch, as if to pin another town name to the board, almost like they knew they'd be killing the two top wagons and wanted a third contender for mislynch today.

I can explain other reads if you want, but if you can't grok my stances, then I dunno how fruitful it'll be.
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Post Post #985 (isolation #114) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:51 am

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BEF, what are your reads?
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Post Post #988 (isolation #115) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:12 am

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@chara: Why's it matter?
Let's say that BEF hit a commuter.
If BEF outs that commuter, then BEF makes it so that scum will never waste a shot on that commuter, which seems like a pretty bum deal.

I know that you expressed that ascetic would be a scum role, but given the roles that have flipped so far, I've yet to see any indication that town isn't just passive/defensive/self-target roles like neighbor, commuter, VT, etc.
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Post Post #989 (isolation #116) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:16 am

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In post 987, Persivul wrote:
In post 974, BrightEyedFish wrote:I used my day action on my top TR and it was unsuccessful.
I'm struggling to come up with a role that you would target on your top TR.
Cop
Doctor
Bodyguard
Neighborizer
I don't see how this is a struggle.
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Post Post #991 (isolation #117) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:25 am

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@Chara: From flips, a scum ascetic does seem less likely--BEF's claim can't be confirmed and we know he's lied about his claim before. Until there's something 100% confirmable there, I don't want to base my setup assumptions on it given this is closed and run by a mod who I know is likely to throw a curveball in design.

I think, given the 1-shot commuter over 1-shot BP, that there's very likely to be targeted non-kill roles for both factions.
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Post Post #992 (isolation #118) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:26 am

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I just don't see what Fish full claiming gets us beyond potentially outing two town PRs.
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Post Post #995 (isolation #119) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:04 am

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Alright then, round 2.
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Post Post #998 (isolation #120) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:37 am

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I give failures to players on refunded shots of limited shot abilities.
/shrug.
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Post Post #1001 (isolation #121) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:03 am

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It's cus I have literally been in the same shoes as him and ate an early lynch that lost game for us.
Granted, I didn't have the gumption to back down from my claim and I also very toxicly walled up against the person I was trying to lynch with it:
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #122) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:32 am

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@Elbirn: I forgot that exchange even happened and that you were in the game. I really shouldn't play more than one game at a time, because I lose at of stuff between phases and it makes it hard to keep up.

BEF's situation resonates with me because I caught heat in the last few games I've been in for amplifying my claim when under pressure in order to push against a townie I felt was scum. I really don't see so much of the 'teehee' stuff that other people are saying, it's more of a "Wow I fucked up, I'm sorry, disregard me" stance.

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@A50: In my games, if a player has a ONE SHOT or LIMITED SHOT ability and, by design, those shots are not 'uses' but shots, they get refunded upon failure, and so if I were to put something like 1-shot cop into a game, they'd be refunded if their ability failed due to something like a roleblock.
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Post Post #1016 (isolation #123) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:40 am

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@skitter where do you disagree, then?
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Post Post #1017 (isolation #124) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:40 am

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Don't see how a full claim actually helps us. You either believe BEF at this point or you don't.
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #125) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:05 am

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In post 1018, skitter30 wrote:
Papa zito is too high
A50 is too high
Chara is too low
Implosion is too low
U rite
Zito should be above A50, Elbirn above both, Elbirn is locktown.
If I did it now that I remember a bit more from D1 and BEF has claimed and all I'd probably go like

Elbirn
Zito
Skitter
A50
Chara
BEF
----Town above this line, everyone else below--

and the rest would be the same.
ironically, mcqueen REALLY needs to post, because I keep forgetting they're even in the game at all.
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #126) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:26 am

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I don't remember any of mcqueen's posts from D1.
What makes them town?
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #127) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:38 am

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Hahah it's on the 50, Zito.

I'm not comfortable with it but I can understand where he's coming from with it because I've lived it more than once real recently.
It's not optimal play at all and I'm ashamed I played that way, myself.
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #128) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:09 pm

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Pretty late on that Mimic, Bosstoxm
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #129) » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:22 pm

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Those are pretty good townreads, yeah?
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #130) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:14 am

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My experience with BEF was OK2, but A50 summed that up.
Otherwise, we just played in a game where BEF fake-claimed 1-shot Neopolitan when he was actually VT and I scumread that because I was universal backup and thought the mod wouldn't do me dirty by including 1-shot roles.

Anyway, I think it's interesting that I called BEF was a neighborizor, though I'm sure Percival will color that as me 'giving him an out' or some shit.
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #131) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:24 pm

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In post 1075, Elbirn wrote:Can anyone explain exactly what a motivator is? I thought it would be like a reload for another players x-shot role, but the wiki says it enables a player to do two actions in one night. This is only possibly useful on a player who has two night actions and that just seems bizarre to me
Oh I thought motivator meant it let people get shots back.
Yeah it's probably what you said
Huh
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Post Post #1089 (isolation #132) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:08 pm

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Persivul wagon's way too easy, feels scum-endorsed.
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Post Post #1094 (isolation #133) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:15 pm

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Don't understand why Skitter is on it, but if I had to pick one it'd be Implosion.
Though it could just be that Persivul is scum and Implosion's bussing, because that's the perfect place to land a vote for a bus, imo.
I still don't think Persivul is town by what I've seen in the game thread.
If I had to call it right now it'd be:
If Persivul flips scum, scumteam is Persivul/Implosion/Mcqueen
If Persivul flips town, scumteam is Skitter/Implosion/Mcqueen

Skitter's earlier post about a townread 'vanishing' on Mcqueen doesn't make sense to me and feels like distancing.
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Post Post #1095 (isolation #134) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:16 pm

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Oh, Skitter's here!
Skitter, why are you pushing Persivul?
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Post Post #1096 (isolation #135) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:17 pm

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With me being unable to vote, though, for us to lynch scum, literally every town player has to be voting for scum.
It's very likely that if we can get a lynch on scum, scum are bussing it.
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Post Post #1100 (isolation #136) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:22 pm

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By the same right, though, scum can just hold off on voting for any town player because they will be implicated by the flip so they'd look way better if it was all town mislynching and, more likely, town just can't get a lynch.
So I really don't like people who have pretty much ghosted and haven't been using their vote. Willingness to vote reads more likely town than scum to me, except if those votes are on scum that's inevitably going to get lynched, ie: a bus.

P-EDIT:
@Skitter: I think it's probably 60% likely he's scum being bussed and 40% likely that he's town with scum on his wagon; 90% likely scum is voting for Persivul right now and if they aren't, very much so if Persivul does get lynched.

It'll be really obvious why I can't vote once I do get my vote back.


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@Chara: I believe you more. It's harder for me to follow Skitter.
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Post Post #1101 (isolation #137) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:23 pm

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I guess I should say 'It should be really obvious why I decided not to vote once I do get my vote back'.
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #138) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:47 pm

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@Chara: I'd put you above her right now, yeah.

@Skitter: I just don't get your positions. Like how does your read on mcqueen 'vanish'? I'm still townreading Elbirn from D1 despite Elbirn basically ghosting, too.
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Post Post #1112 (isolation #139) » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:05 pm

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Then what was the 'turn' and what originally read as townie to you?
'cus to me it seems like the 'turn' was just him not being active D2 (and I've even tried to propose how that might be alignment indicative) but I still don't know why you were townreading the slot.

I've had reads like that but I can usually point to places where reads developed or where I changed my mind, y'know? Usually, at least. Sometimes, though, yeah, my reads are ineffable/hard to express, but I at least try to be open about them.
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Post Post #1116 (isolation #140) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:41 am

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Only fish here is you--rolefishing.
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Post Post #1130 (isolation #141) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:45 am

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Aw :/
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Post Post #1137 (isolation #142) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:51 am

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@mcqueen: The focus on hood/kill when hood is anonymous and kill had a 1/5 chance of hitting lovers anyway
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #143) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:11 am

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In post 1152, Papa Zito wrote:I'm really not interested in a Persivul lynch.

And I'm not getting cooperation from anyone. So uh. I don't know what the fuck to do this game.
Who's not cooperating?
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #144) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:07 am

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Why didn't you target BEF on N1?
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Post Post #1256 (isolation #145) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:48 am

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I've got some more good news: I should be able to vote again.
VOTE: Varsoon

Can we get a VC to confirm this?
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Post Post #1258 (isolation #146) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:53 am

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UNVOTE:

Thanks.
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Post Post #1260 (isolation #147) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:55 am

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Anyway, here's the full deal before anyone loses their heads.
I got to decide if I started the game in an escape pod, out in space. It commuted me but also made me unable to vote until I decided to return to the space station. I may have actually drawn the kill with how much I was trying to play up my role as giving me access to some special powerup.
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Post Post #1263 (isolation #148) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:00 am

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Yeah, I've been commuted during night and days.
It's actually important that it specifies day as well--I think scum probably has some sort of day-time powers?
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Post Post #1266 (isolation #149) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:02 am

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Maybe I'm the person he mentioned using it on before and it failed because of that?
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Post Post #1270 (isolation #150) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:03 am

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I actually remember him being coy about who it failed on and I found it hard to be tight lipped then because I was still trying to get the kill to land on me.
If I had known we weren't going to be in LYLO, though, I'd still be commuting. That's twice that I called when to come back to station wrong. :/
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Post Post #1271 (isolation #151) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:05 am

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@Persivul : Phantoms are, like, big mimic humanoid monsters. They're a fairly serious enemy to confront in the game.
If you're a goon cop, though, I'm curious if your ability would just outright fail on anyone that had access to the neighborhood since none of them would be pure vanilla goon anyway, but if it's scum-flavor cop that can catch exactly 1 scum, that's a different story.
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #152) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:10 am

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Sorry, was just trying to be straightforward with my shenanigans so far. I've really eaten shit for mishandling my role in the last few games I've been in. I was tempted to wait to see if scum would tilt about their kill failure but then figured that was unlikely and it'd be better to just let folks know that my commute may have soaked the kill.

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@Skitter: Humans can not be phantoms, no. Humans are not typhons.
@Chara: Yeah, I came back since I figured we'd need my vote and we'd be on evens--if we were in MYLO/LYLO, though, I'd get my vote back and be stuck on the station without being able to commute anymore.
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Post Post #1280 (isolation #153) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:13 am

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Pretty much.
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Post Post #1282 (isolation #154) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:15 am

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Hahah
in a vacuum
like space
'cus that's where I was
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Post Post #1292 (isolation #155) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:49 am

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Read the thread.
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Post Post #1293 (isolation #156) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:49 am

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Or alternatively:
Stop lying about not reading the thread.
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Post Post #1298 (isolation #157) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:03 am

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In post 1291, BrightEyedFish wrote:why else was there no NK?
Probably because I was commuted until today.
Y'know
The thing that was claimed today
in the thread
that you read
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Post Post #1299 (isolation #158) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:04 am

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Like if anyone else has ways to stop a kill DON'T FUCKING CLAIM THEM
Fish what the fuck are you trying to out town protectives for when I've ALREADY CLAIMED COMMUTER
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Post Post #1303 (isolation #159) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:22 am

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BEF
You asked why else there'd be no NK other than fishing that a protective role might have been on you
Despite my claim existing
And here you are
STILL trying to get town protectives/anti-kill roles outted
VOTE: BEF
I just can't
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Post Post #1310 (isolation #160) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:14 am

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You literally asked what else could have stopped the kill while also speculating that a protective was covering you at night.
You also have claimed a role that should be provable but that you still have not proven.
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #161) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:55 am

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Didn't you try targeting a second person that wasn't Chara?

Speculation's the usual smokescreen for rolefishing.
If you flip scum, I actually think it's very likely scum didn't try to kill me and you're trying to figure out why else the kill may have failed.
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Post Post #1313 (isolation #162) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:50 am

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UNVOTE:

You can confirm your role at least, can't you?
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Post Post #1314 (isolation #163) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:55 am

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I voted you earlier because, on top of the fishing, I thought you said that you tried targeting Chara TWICE with the neighborizor
But it seems like maybe you didn't?
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Post Post #1319 (isolation #164) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:53 am

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@Almost50: So there's the Typhon, which is a whole race of mimic monsters that are ostensibly at war with humanity. Phantoms are just a kind of Typhon. They've got different 'types' like Cystoid, Mimic, Moon Shark, Nightmare, Phantom, Poltergeist, Telepath, Technopath, Tentacle Nest, Weaver, and Apex.

As far as I can tell from the flavor of this game of mafia, we're probably all just the humans aboard the spaceship that the game of Prey (2017) takes place on. On the most basic level, the conflicts in the game are between humans and Typhon, but there ARE human enemies that you can fight in the game (and mind-controlled ones, at that) as well as robot enemies that exist. I think the goal of this game of mafia is to depict the surface-level conflict between the humans and the Typhon, though. There's some pretty huge twists later on in the game that kinda make you question who's the good guys or not but based on flips so far I think we can probably just approach this flavor as if it's non-mindfucky for now but don't rule anything out.

So, TL;DR: Typhon are the main bad guys, but robots and humans can be bad too.
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Post Post #1322 (isolation #165) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:55 am

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Once again, if you're a fan of System Shock or Bioshock or even Deus Ex, I highly recommend this game because it's a spiritual successor to all of those and is a fantastic time.
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Post Post #1333 (isolation #166) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:55 am

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In post 1325, Almost50 wrote:So, mqueen could still be Scum, just not a Phantom.. precisely. Correct?
That's right--given the flavor, scum is very likely only Typhon with a possible really cute flavor if they've got a traitor who's human.
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Post Post #1339 (isolation #167) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:52 pm

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@Almost50: Nah it's all good, man. So one of the main weapons in the game is this foam gun that you can cover walls, enemies, and surfaces with foam. For enemies it's just a useful stun sort of move that can keep the usually-fast-moving enemies stuck in place a bit or even fully stuck for awhile. For environments, it helps you get around. It's a non-lethal weapon and makes sense as a fruit vendor sort of thing.
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #168) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:52 pm

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@Elbirn: If you get hit by multiple of them it might be a roleblock sort of thing, given flavor? Alternatively, it could have a different effect on scum?
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Post Post #1342 (isolation #169) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:56 pm

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Actually so I got that mixed up--the GOO gun is the one that sticks enemies and stuff.
The Huntress Boltcaster is what shoots Flexifoam darts--they're darts that do no damage but still make noise and count as hitting something, so you can use them to trigger explosive stuff or hit panels from far away or even distract enemies.
If one of the scum have the Cystoid flavor, it might have a unique interaction, 'cus they blow up when hit by it.
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Post Post #1343 (isolation #170) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:57 pm

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and here's the other gun:

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Post Post #1345 (isolation #171) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:04 pm

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Humans, but, again, humans could be scum, especially if Typhon have a mind controlled human or if Xtoxm is going really deep with fuckery on the flavor.
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Post Post #1348 (isolation #172) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:09 pm

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What you wrote is actually really funny because
Spoiler: huge game spoilers
the main character that you play as is a Typhon, who has been injected with a human's memories, and who thinks he is human.
So you saying you can't tell is funny
because the main character is supposed to be assumed as human but
it's revealed he's actually a typhon with memories of the main character injected


Anyway Typhon are SHAPESHIFTER MIMICS that can LOOK LIKE HUMANS so it's probably not a great idea to flavor-game this since Xtoxm very likely just picked some critical human characters to not be represented as roles so that the Typhon players could fake-claim them, hilariously, in a flavor-friendly way.

P-EDIT: @Elbirn: Could just disable a Cystoid Colony type Typhon but yeah that's real hard flavorspec
Take it to mean it's a human-flavored fruit vendor unless someone claims different.
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #173) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:10 pm

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Spoilers is @what skitter wrote re: those videos I posted.
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #174) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:29 pm

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Okay so it does get a little complex but let me try to break it down.
Humans, in this game of mafia, are the default town faction.
Typhon, in this game of mafia, are the default scum faction.

Typhon are mimics that can look like inanimate objects and even people. They can control people's minds. They have all kinds of powers.
Typhon aren't necessarily evil--they just naturally attack organic life.

In the game, there ARE evil humans and robots that you fight, although the primary enemies you are up against are Typhons.

But yes
Flavor for this game is very much most likely
Humans = town
Typhon = scum with human safeclaims

Xtoxm may have taken a page from my book and thrown a wrench into that, but I don't have any reason to believe it so far.
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Post Post #1353 (isolation #175) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:41 pm

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ELBIRN I TRIED TO KEEP YOU FROM LEARNING IT MAN
It's still a good game even with that knowledge/spoiled.
I might reprey it sometime soon.
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #176) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:13 pm

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It's literally okay.
There's a ton more to the game than just that facet of it and, honestly, you'd be doing yourself a disservice of not enjoying the 99% of the rest of the plot and all the gameplay otherwise.
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Post Post #1358 (isolation #177) » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:15 pm

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In fact, knowing EVERYTHING that you learn throughout the game makes replaying it a whole different experience, too.

But yeah sorry for including a spoiler at all, even if it was behind spoiler= text and a warning. D:
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Post Post #1382 (isolation #178) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:34 am

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In post 1365, BrightEyedFish wrote:more specifically my role pm says I may invite a player to a session of Neuromod Enhanced Yoga. I figured that was just the flavor for the neighborizing.
Neuromods are basically a way to inject Typhon bits to edit your brain or some wild shit so you can get a person's skillset or even powers.
So like if you had the neuromod for being a genius at chess and injected it, your brain would then reformat to mimic (like the typhon) a chess master.
Extracting neuromods really fucks with your memory and personality of the time when they were injected so

Anyway I figured your role had to do with neuromods because that's the first way I could think to render the flavor of a human being a motivator for another player in the flavor that'd fit.
Just like how my commute and one of the flipped ones are flavored as escape pods because the game takes place on the spaceship.
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Post Post #1425 (isolation #179) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:39 am

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Don't motivate me, I get nothing out of it.
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Post Post #1428 (isolation #180) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:43 am

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So, wait, what's going on?
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Post Post #1435 (isolation #181) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:33 pm

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@BEF: Unless the mod specified so, I doubt it.
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Post Post #1436 (isolation #182) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:02 pm

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VOTE: Mcqueen
Trusting A50's result on this.
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Post Post #1442 (isolation #183) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:30 pm

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VOTE: Persivul
Oh, lol, thought you were voting Mcqueen with prejudice.
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Post Post #1443 (isolation #184) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:31 pm

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UNVOTE:
Wait shit didn't Percivul claim something that made them conf-town?
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Post Post #1458 (isolation #185) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:37 pm

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I'm pretty sure Elbirn is town.
I think there's probably a scum in implosion/mcqueen but I don't want to fuck up and choose wrong and I feel like that's what's going to happen
Why are our votes so split?
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Post Post #1463 (isolation #186) » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:07 pm

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Both of them don't seem all that engaged and definitely not engaged with each other--they just kinda swoop in to drop some posts and then swoop out. Doesn't feel right. They're not committed to their reads either, imo.
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #187) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:00 am

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VOTE: Mcqueen

There are no VTs in this game.
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Post Post #1478 (isolation #188) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:01 am

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Wait shit thinking of a different game
We actually already had a VT flip, right?
Vote stays, though.
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Post Post #1479 (isolation #189) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:21 am

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Like I have no idea why town-you would out himself as VT with only one vote
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Post Post #1483 (isolation #190) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:38 am

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We're Massclaiming?
Was mcqueen popcorned or chosen to go first
Vote still stands, really not comfortable with how mcqueen claimed. Something about it really bothers me.
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Post Post #1487 (isolation #191) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:27 am

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It doesn't sit right with me. It feels really like 'fly under the radar! no one look at me'. If you really are VT, why claim first like that?
It feels like a scum move, and the fact you didn't seem too concerned about posting about the massclaim even made me unsure it was a part of that.
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Post Post #1489 (isolation #192) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:39 am

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IF you're actually a VT, I don't understand willingness to claim.
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Post Post #1492 (isolation #193) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:44 am

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Where was he asked to claim first?
And why?

P-EDIT:
It's really easy to say "Due to the nature of my claim, I would prefer to claim later rather than early."
Then if scum tries to fake some shit on you, you can be like "Hahaha liar. I'm VT."
But claiming VT out the gate like that seems too eager.
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #194) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:44 am

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If Persivul isn't lying about his role, he should check mcqueen tonight.
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Post Post #1497 (isolation #195) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:03 am

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Guess I'm trippin but I can't shake the bad vibes I have with it and from the slot all game.
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Post Post #1500 (isolation #196) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:04 pm

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I'm Dayo Igwe, the Neuroscientist
Once in the game, either in pregame or in a night phase, I can commute by blasting into space in a cargo container. At the start of the next day phase I am voteless, and also immune to all day and night actions whilst this ability is in effect. Nothing can prevent this ability from activating. This ability remains in effect perpetually until I return to Talos I, or if I do not choose to return, then I will be returned automatically in mylo/lylo at the start of the day. At any Night, I can choose to return to the space station and cancel all these effects.
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Post Post #1505 (isolation #197) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:28 pm

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It seems to have really interesting negative utility around us going on evens with Lovers and commuters in setup, too. I was excited when I rolled it and was hoping I could just commute scoot my ass all the way to the win.

My Playstyle is full on scatman, all the time, forever.
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Post Post #1508 (isolation #198) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:40 pm

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If I can't vote and it's 6 town to 3 scum, then town has 5 votes but needs 5 to lynch.
Literally every town needs to be voting scum or scum need to be bussing in order for a lynch on scum to go through
It's what happened yesterday, remember?
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Post Post #1509 (isolation #199) » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:00 pm

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Wait that'd be odds, that's still bad.
Evens it'd be 5 town, 3 scum
Which is 5 to lynch
But if I have no vote
We literally can't lynch scum.
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