Prey Mafia - Game Over

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Hello all!

@mod: regular vla fridays and saturdays

VOTE: redtea

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Thanks varsoon! I can always count on you to explain the flavor lol; i know nothing about it either

Also chara gets page1 townpings for mentioning the ascetic

Pedit and the guy above me maybe too? Not sure if scum come out saying that when they're actually scum

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Do tell

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gut reaction to it was you're either town trying to get discussion going

It's this one ^^^^

Yeah, i agree, i didnt really say anything ground-breaking or whatever, but that wasnt really the point, more to start generating discussion

(And it worked too)

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Out of curiosity, how often do town correctly identify mafia here? It seems like 12 days is counterproductive because it gives mafia more time to blend in or cover their tracks, versus something high pressure like 30 seconds.

if you don't mind my asking, what's your mafia experience?

idk the exact stats but town do a pretty decent job finding scum imo; not always on day1 but holistically as the game progresses. iirc there's been some discussion about the link between longer deadlines and scum winrates; some people believe pretty strongly that they actively harm town winrates, i think at least in part beacuse it gives scum the ability to induce and weaponize apathy

i personally like the long deadlines quite a lot actually; i like the time to debate and to give myself time to mull things over and i don't like feeling rushed, and i think that playing scum for weeks (if not months) on end is fairly exhausting, having to try to maintain the right perspective and progression for that long

Am I missing something

what was this referring to?

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i think implosion is kinda townie

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Would you like to explain why you are making statements (which are far more in opposition of open discussion than asking questions)?

this feels like .... weirdly accusatory and relies on assumptions that i'm not sure are, like, valid
ie you seem to be calling him out for making statements because they are 'far more in oposition of open discussion than asking questions', which is a dubious statement, and you seem to fault him for doing so, and i'm not sure why you are really

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General lack of effort.

And gut reasons that I don't fully have words for yet. Want to join me?

no offense but this doesn't seem like a real thought; accusing someone for general lack of effort when the game has barely started and is on page2 is kinda ridiculous

does this only apply to bef? does anyone else satisfy the criteria for 'general lack of effort?'

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Chara's 22 but it turns out I did, indeed, miss something.

fair enough, fair enough

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give the man time? we’re two pages in. why are you so desperate to push something that’s hardly there?

Why? It only takes a few posts for someone to indicate they have no intention of scum hunting.

uh no? people can enjoy rvs and meme a bit for a few posts and become serious later on? i would actually argue that rvs posts are not particularly indicative for long-term gamesolving efforts
it is for some people obviously, but i don't think that two rvs posts consisting of literally the first post in the game and saying 'hi' to someone else on the first couple of pages really belies a lack of intent to scumhunt, and i think it's kinda misleading/straw-man-y/idk the right word to present bef's posts in this fashion

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mcqueen is kinda townie too
have you often played with a50?

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Does A50 usually claim early?
Also don't understand the Enter wagon at all.

yeah sometimes
whether or not the claim is germane to his actual role is a different story

and i kinda hate like every one of enter's posts?
what are you thinking about him?

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Yep. We'll get to them later. You seem like you're building a case. Wanna drop a vote?

yeah i'm thinking about it
kinda trying to gauge if what i'm not liking is a personality/playstyle thing and not a scum thing; i can't tell yet

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Also in the post where you place your vote, please also talk about misrepping me by pretending my first question was serious when I already said it wasn't.

not sure what your'e referring to

if you're talking about the statement thing - when you said you weren't being serious i thought you were referring to not being serious about calling implosion's papa zito read an actual scumread. the reason why it's confusing for me is because your whole interaction there is like very weirdly accusatory and it seemed to me like you were seriously pushing implosion for making a statement instead of a question (which is, imo, an absurd reason to push someone)

idk your tone is very very very weird and like you say it isn't serious but the way you present things makes me think you think you're making valid points (when you're not) and i can't tell if i'm misreading what you mean in the first place or if your'e walking back things when people object to what you're saying.

also you ignored me pointing out that your reason for scumreading bef rn is quite awful, and calling the wagon 'relevant' does not, in fact, add legitimacy to the that read

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let's not end the day yet please

hey chara, what do you think of a50?

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@Everyone voting Enter (aside from Percy, obviously): Please ISO him and let me know which post(s) make him a good lynch to you.

i know i'm not voting him rn but i think i've indicated what i don't like about him? do you agree/disagree/other?

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Intent to hammer

irregardless of his alignment i think there's likely scum on that wagon tbqh

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he hasn't done all that much to think about yet. why?

getting some pings and i know you're decent at reading him so i figured i'd ask you if you have any thoughts yet

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I don't think Enter's reactions to any of the votes have been particularly scummy. I think he's a bit above baseline town at this point. Like, this:

yeah his posts i kinda dislike but i'm not sure in like a *scummy* kinda way

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i think i've indicated what i don't like about him? do you agree/disagree/other?

To my recollection you said you hated each and every single post of his, which is a notion I certainly do NOT share. I thus would appreciate it if you included 2-3 quotes and specified what exactly you hated about them.

i mean, in addition to saying i hated *all* of his posts, i did in fact already pull a selection of quotes and specify what exactly i disliked about them

(specifically the bit i don't like is his bef push, which i spoke about at length already)

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skitter: i'd love to hear about those pings! but i'm not especially good at reading Almost. i'm hovering around being paranoid of town Almost and too trusting of scum him, so giving him breathing room is my current tactic.

ah ok, for some reason i had the impression that you were quite good at reading him, idk where i got that from
i'm going to continue poking at him a bit, but his interaction with the enter wagon is kinda pinging me; specifically how he's asking persivul about why he's voted enter

kinda hard to put in words exactly but if enter is town it felt a little like encouraging persivul's vote on the wagon? not sure how well i can explain where i'm getting this vibe from; it's kinda gut and i'm bad at articulating this sort of thing

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You should vote me now that I'm back at L-2. It will be fun, I promise.

i kinda feel like you're baiting me to vote you, and i'm not sure why you're doing that
i also think on balance scum are kinda less likely to do this tho?

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I still don't understand why Enter's wagon flew up to L-2 so fast, but Enter seeming to have hard dodged that made me want to put real pressure there. I trusted we wouldn't have a Boonskies situation and see a quickhammer.

do you have a read on enter?
also just trusting a quickhammer not to happen is a little bit, well, too trusting, unless you know the pl really well and know that nobody will actually do that on purpose (and sometimes these things happen by mistake too)

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y’all think there is scum in the neighborhood? is that usually the case? sorry, like I said i’ve never been in one and I’m not sure I’ve been in a game that had one at all.

eh maybe sure idk
(basically: could be, really no way to know rn)

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I'm not sure if skitter feels as town as she's supposed to yet? I thought I might have not been able to read her early but I townread her in my second post last game. I think I understand most of where her sentiments are coming from.

i'm not always hilariously obvtown page2 lol
it'll happen, but sometimes just a little later in the game (i guess start worrying if i'm not by like ~sod2)

also which game are you referring to?
also why are you townreading chara?

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This is a very neutral read list, boring as bread.

You think this is just some town spat then, maybe with a poke from scum?

Do you have any fingers to point?

uh he's like the first person to give townreads on any of {bef/chara/enter}, how is this 'neutral' or 'boring'?
(especially since the enter read is fairly controversial given the l1 wagon we just had on him)
also what does this bolded mean?

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Skitter feels weird. I don't like it.

do tell

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not till you tell me why you're baiting me to do so

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cool

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really tho i get wary of people trying to convince me to vote them for little discernible reason

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that's exactly why it's neutral. Pardon the comparison, but it's like implosion (town-)voted the republican, democrat, and third party. It almost says nothing. Unless he was thinking something else, having to do with Varsoon. If that's what he's looking at, it's more understandable.

i don't understand what you're trying to say here

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also which game are you referring to?
also why are you townreading chara?

Diffusion of power.
I liked the questions it was asking/general method of interacting with the game. The read is not especially strong.

thanks, i was blanking on the game i played iwth town!you
i've not seen much ai from chara yet imo, that's why i was asking

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Hmm... it's almost like I goaded people into voting me and then I wasn't surprised when they did.

why is this a thing that your'e doing tho?
also why are you townreading red tea?

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Anyway, it did get people to react as if I had put an RVS flash-wagon at L-1 so it worked as (sort of) a reaction test. Dunno what that says about Chara and Enter, though.

i didn't like the lol-l1 (coupled with you disliking how fast the wagon built), but it makes slightly more sense in this context

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Listen, mate. I'm crazy and I know it. I am also paranoid in this game. It thus gives me strange ideas why you said that. Iirc, Varsoon is Voteless, so theoretically you may have been informed that a player in the setup is and was wondering if that was me. OF COURSE I could be way off the mark, but I'm just being transparent about my thoughts (something you will rarely see me doing at all)

i think you might be scum here tbh

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maybe I’m overreacting, but does this not sound very manipulative, especially late game?

how do you think it's manipulative?

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i think you might be scum here tbh

Tell me something new.

ok you know how sometimes i can jsut, like, tell that you're town? rn you're kinda doing the opposite. i'm getting like none of the townvibes, but a lot of the scumvibes.

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i think redtea is kinda scummy tbh

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VOTE: Fish
this is more fun, actually. for 48 and the next three posts in his ISO.

why are you pushing fish for this now, and not, say, when these posts actually happened and when enter was pushing him over them?

also i think 53 is kinda townie. i'm not really getting a projection of confidence, it feels kinda townie to me; i also don't really see baiting here

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VOTE: Fish
Why would you be worried about a co-ordinated in-PT push that was fabricated solely for reactions?
If anything, it serves 2 purposes:
1. If scum really is in the PT, then they'd hear from their PT-mate and react in a 'proper' way
2. Town who had no clue would react in a genuine way

It seems like it could provide good info, maybe. Why would you oppose that?

i'm not entirely sure that bef, like, thinks about the game like this; he also doesn't really seem worried to me; more confused in like a nonchalant sort of way
i don't really like any of your not-votes tbh

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You and zito are the only two people who seem to think fish don't look worried.

you can add me to this tally

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i don't think Fish looks worried either.
as for why i didn't bring it up earlier: i didn't really take notice at the time, it came up on a reread.

ok what did you think of enter's push on fish as it was happening then

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i'm putting some weight into skitter's Almost read, so we'll see where that goes.

So let me get this straight: You are sheeping skitter on me, and she is sheeping you on me?? Am I such a pain in the neck to read that everyone seems to be denying responsibility for a mere preliminary read based on tone/gut?

~A50

i've never said or implied that i was sheeping chara on you; i said i wanted to know if they had an opinion so that i could bounce my read off of someone
nor do i think i'm denying responsibility for the read

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i'm not entirely following the resurgence of the bef push tbh
it was bad the first time around and i don't get why it came back

i also don't think the composition of the neighborhood is really that interesting. there might be scum in there, there might not be; it's an inherently wifom-y discussion and there's really no way for me, from here, to tell at this stage so i'm not going to wonder about it too much rn

i think bef's paraphrase of the neighborhood was kinda townie tho

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redtea what's your mafia experience

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From what I can tell I'm on the same wavelength with

His Majesty the King

on most everything, which scares me a little bit.

sorry, who is this?

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whoops, i missed that

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alright skitter is town probably. I agree with like all of the sentiment in her posts in the past couple pages. I am curious what she sees in redtea.

I could go for a flashwagon on a50. None of his posts yet have really made me feel anything at all.

All of the speculation about how many scum are in the neighborhood is dumb.

redtea's posts kinda feel like they're equivocating without actually saying much. or kinda like they're talking to talk? idk might be a playstle thing but like look at the number of words they're using to say ... not much at all really, or to cite someone else's opinion as a reason to think something

or like they'll ask questions and then do nothing with the answer

What are Almost50 and Robert's thoughts so far? Other than passive commentary and band talk.

and i'm pushing a50 and papa zito is trying to wagon robert but there's like no interaction with these pushes really; makes me feel like the questions are there to look busy

i could flashwagon a50, sure

VOTE: a50

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lynching someone based on whether or not they're in a hood is dumb, no offense

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also i'm not really vibing the chara townreads rn

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implosion's right, i just got excited... all these new mechanics i've never been part of before.

i can't tell if like anything you say is sincere or not

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also i'm not really vibing the chara townreads rn

alright, those are townpoints for skitter. provided she remembers coalition as well as i do.

not sure why this makes you townread me really either?

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Wonder if Almost50 has a weird role, or just isn't interested in this game.

Yeah, you're right. I just got excited. I don't remember playing anything other than VT so I got a little excited getting to be in a hood. (although my game history says I was in a hood game once? My memory is shoddy)

If scum dt didn't exist, I would think you were scum, and I was scum, based off of these kinds of exchanges.

bolded: why do you say that?
italics: lowkey townie actually

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not sure why this makes you townread me really either?

i think scum skitter would be more likely to townbin me considering my many statements last game. that you're not townreading me when i haven't done much AI yet (in spite of townreads on me) looks good for you.
your posting is good in general, too.

tbh i hadn't thought about coalition much coming into this game, but if i were scum here i'd probably try to mimic how i read you in the past as closely as i could in order to evoke this ^^^^ effect

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Hi my entire neighborhood has not had power at all today and i dont know when i'm getting it back; vla until i get power back

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Hi my entire neighborhood has not had power at all today and i dont know when i'm getting it back; vla until i get power back

I was about to say "What neighborhood" but then I realized this is not a comment on the neighborhood in this game.

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@skitter30 because Almost50 has said just about nothing useful the entire game despite having a presence. Maybe he is third party?
Related to that
VOTE: Almost30
Until he decides to respond to me.

not sure why you keep bringing up 3ps
also i don't think that's there's more than one scum in {redtea/a50}

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actually no, i'm a fool.
VOTE: minyu
he's still voting skitter and liked my explanation.

your last three votes have been on people that, if town, i consider lynchbait

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actually no, i'm a fool.
VOTE: minyu
he's still voting skitter and liked my explanation.

Why is it bad to leave a vote on someone -even you no longer SR them- when: A) You have not thought of a better wagon to join, and B) the wagon you're on is

@L-5

???

this post feels scummy for a50

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@skitter: Calling every post I make, every claim, every move & every vote scummy isn't healthy for me. I am starting to feel like you've applied to the "let's scum read A50" club. I've proved it to you once and once again that leaving me be on D1 is a good idea, and IF I'm still alive on D2 THEN you can come at me with all you've got. Your behaviour IN EVERY GAME WE PLAY TOGETHER is detrimental to my play style. I hope you get the subtle hint out of that.

there's kinda a lot i want to say to this but i don't really want to get into it rn
but i didn't meant to piss you off, sorry if i did
actually i'm willing to give you some space till tomorrow
if i still think you're scum then tho i'm going to do the tunneling thing

VOTE: redtea

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this post feels scummy for a50

why? Esp following your response to chara.

idk. kinda hard to put into words.
it feels like he's found like a rhetorical point to push chara on when he doesn't seem to have a read on minyu. like it feels like he's defending/wk'ing minyu and idk why that's a thing that's happening here

not sure what my response to chara has to do with it

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i was thinking about putting in a disclaimer that if i died people absolutely should go back to this convo
but i was debating back and forth whether or not scum!you would use it tomorrow to explain that my death was there to frame you
so i decided to just drop it and not induce the wifom

(i actually just scrolled up to check if i had ultimately included that line or not)

but since you're obviously thinking about it i'm going to highlight that this is definitely a thing that i can see happening

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yeah, both of them are kinda scummy to me rn. on balance i think they probably aren't scum together tho

(ie at this stage of the game i don't see anything contradictory or problematic with seeing them both as scum)

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probably town

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although slightly weirded out by him sheeping me on redtea like that tbh

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why's redtea town?
what do you think of me voting there?

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wait they're in the hood too?
i thought it was you/bef/persivul

Yes, but

there are two ways to approach this:
1. Lynch outside hood to see if it comes up red (if so, and we can draw conclusions that the other is red, then inside is green)
2. Lynch scummiest inside hood to see if it comes up green (if two people come up green in hood, it's p safe to say the rest are green, IMO)

i thought that this was for a 3person hood
this proposal becomes worse as the hood becomes bigger

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i think redtea is kinda scummy tbh

can you explain why? I'll ISO him after I'm done, but I'd still like to hear your thoughts

i did already

also i'm not really vibing the chara townreads rn

Why not? I'll admit I don't agree with them initially, but when I go back and read I always see where it comes from.

nothing they did really feels ai tbh? or like out of their scumrange? they haven't done anything that townie or hard for scum to fake imo and they agree that most of the things they've done are not ai so like i don't get why people are townreading them

i don't like their last few votes and i'm not sure i explicitly scumread them but i don't get what there is to townread them either

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how is Almost asking me a fair question him pushing me? he was right.

idk
feels like a bad post, don't think i can explain better than i did already really.
feels kinda like he's defending and/or wk'ing minhyu and i don't know why that's happening

ugh. ms ate my post. tonight isn't my night. i'll continue that thought tomorrow. the tl;dr is i'm back townleaning Minyu but i'm not happy about it. and that skitter is still towny.

wait why are you back at town!minhyu?

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varsoon feels weird.
idk if that's ai at all but just thought i'd mention it

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although slightly weirded out by him sheeping me on redtea like that tbh

why is that?

him sheeping me on a50 kinda made sense because he had asked for a flashwagon prior to that and then i voted and he followed me there. but i guess once i decided i didn't want to do that i'm not sure why his vote followed mine again? so i guess it kinda surprised me because i wasn't aware that he was townreading me strongly enough and/or scumreading redtea enough to sheep me like that?

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@a50 how are you reading me?

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hi elbirn!

i think you might be town
why are you townreading papa zito?

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So, your scum read on me is... playstyle doesn't vibe...

and your scum read on redtea is... she's too verbose? Ouch.

Please point out where she's 3p hunting.

I gotta admit, I wasn't a fan of your predecessor (not really posting anything at all, tbh), and the fact that you entered and your reasons are all made up and your reads don't matter doesn't make me like you any more.

VOTE: Elbirn

1. the 3p thing has been mentioned by implosion already (and i maybe did too? i definitely noticed ti but id on't remember if i explicitly brought it up)

2. i don't know why you're not scumreading and/or voting me for voting redtea when i'm also pushing her and brought up the verbose/not-actually-saying-anything point like eight pages ago

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I was hoping to comment this earlier but, the repeated mentioning of a third party was mostly an "open to possibilities" thing that I only took into serious consideration trying to get a read on a50. By that point I'd already brought it up a few times, so it does feel like I'm repeating myself.
Of course mentioning this doesn't change my standing.

Sorry for the nothing post, I'll have to come back to all this later today.
@Elbirn I understand the Chara read but could you explain implosion a bit?

i mean yeah but like we don't know whether or not this game has a 3p or anything and you've brought up 3p hunting repeatedly and it's kinda strange

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VOTE: Elbirn

?? why

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can someone who's been saying that redtea is talking a lot without saying anything (skitter or elbirn is who i remember) give me a post where she's doing that and explain it? because i've gone through her iso looking for it and i'm not sure what you mean.

I wonder why Varsoon was so confident putting someone at L-1 since, by that point, he surely must have known his earlier vote was counted? The mod could've decided that if the night action submission wasn't explicit then it didn't count, and would not have fixed the VCs, especially if he later tried to take advantage of the fact. Just a bit of a gamble. Mcqueen is right in that being able to go voteless midday is pretty manipulative, and while that was't what was intended to happen, it effectively did.
Feels like I've been thinking too much about this I admit, don't want to put a magnifying glass on a piece of dust. At the moment, I'm wondering what his thought process there was exactly.

What are Almost50 and Robert's thoughts so far? Other than passive commentary and band talk.

a post like this one kinda

like she went on about varsoon's possible motivations for the l1 vote without really engaging him about it directly
and citing mcqueen's opinion here feels kinda strange. like it doesn't really seem like she formed her own opinion, but rather that she's just just agreeing with something someone else said
doesn't really come to a conclusion about anything she's talked about here
asks questions about a50 and robert but when i push a50 or papa zito pushed robert she didn't really engage with that, makes me think that the questions are busy-work

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According to my own personal stats elbrin is scum for being the 3rd person on the redtea wagon and I TR redtea, so...

VOTE: Elbrin

have you ever caught scum with this tell?

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Yeah because you’re scum and I thought you’d try to fake something.

i still don't get scum!bef (even in his exchange with you right here he's pretty townie imo) and i don't get why this is coming back again really

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Naked votes are lack of effort and scummy.

so do you think mcqueen is scummy?
or is this literally just policy

(also is your explanation of 'policy' indicative of more effort than just naked-voting?)

Because more often then not its a scum tactic, Happened in a recent game and I'm not going to change my mind simply cause you vote me. Surprise surprise who flipped scum that game too....

remind me how much mafia experience you have again?

I voted for activity, there is a difference.

explain the difference to me, i'm not really following?

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I voted for activity, there is a difference.

robert's been here always; elbirn repped in for minhyu

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can we try to consolidate wagons please given that deadlines in like four days?
ie if you're sitting on a vanity wagon of 2 people or less can you explain why other people should join your wagon?

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i would probably vote bef at deadline over a no lynch but i don't really want to
not really interested in elbirn rn

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I went voteless because I wanted to.
I already told everyone why--asking me to share more is like trying to get blood from a stone.
Yeah, there might be more to what going voteless does for me mechanically,

but if you keep digging, I'm going to think you're fishing rather than just questioning something odd.

We can hit majority easily enough without my vote. If it is a concern in the future, I'll be able to get my vote back, don't worry.

ngl i think this is lowkey scummy but i guess i'll drop it till later or whatever
you did something that's kinda strange for a not-such-great reason and you're basically threatening people with a scumread if they question you too much
honestly i don't really care much inherently about your decision to go voteless but i don't like how you're responding to questions about it

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i'm starting to question my implosion townread a bit too
not sure why tbh

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no?
why would it be impossible for scum to be voteless?

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My initial reaction was genuine in the fact that I felt your blind vote didn't warrant a reaction and that apparently wasn't enough for you.

Also, maybe I’m pushing too hard, but this feels weird, too. It’s so confrontational, yet so anti-confrontational at the same time.

What has he done in the way of confronting others? He was very submissive to Enter’s early push, he acted the same towards me. He said he feels more comfortable/likes playing town better (can I interchange this with “confident?”), and he doesn’t seem very clmfortable/confident in this game.

it struck me as townie actually - like i kinda understand his pov: your vote on him didn't matter. you said it was wierd that he didn't react, so when you prompted him he asked you about it, and then you said his response was scummy
like yeah i kinda get why he's frustrated in that exchange because you found him scummy whatever he did
i don't know if he's not being confrontational so much as he just doesn't care about your push on him, which is kinda townie imo
and he did pushback on enter's push

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i would probably vote bef at deadline over a no lynch but i don't really want to
not really interested in elbirn rn

Remind me who else besides redtea you are interested in?

not sure? i'm kinda looking down the list and like i have reservations about lynching most of those people. like there's a bunch of people that i'm kinda ~scum on but i wouldn't want to lynch rn

a50's still pretty scummy
i wouldn't object to a push on varsoon or persivul
i'm kinda losing my implosion townread, never really got a chara townread
i don't know if i actually want to lynch any of those people rn tho

oh and robert too. i'd switch there at deadline probably
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Naked votes are lack of effort and scummy.

I don't think it's

truly

naked. It's backed by opinions and doubts about him already expressed by others. Going where the wind takes him, sort of speak.

what do you think about robert?

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@BEF Varsoon/Elbirn is too obvious. Do they like to play with fire? Do you think they've slipped already?

like this post feels really really strange

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And, really, a hesitation to townread any slot--can you go more into that? Even players like Zito and A50?

are you townreading either of them?

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actually never mind about persivul for now, 531 is pretty townie

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I'll catch up at lunch today.

@Mod:

Forgot to mention I have a standing V/LA on weekends, sorry.

You shouldn't be playing with 2 alts in the same game, skitter.

you're kinda making me want to vote you again btw
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I hard gaurantee at least one of these prats badgering me over how I claimed is scum trying to rattle my cage.

ok, who amongst that group do you think is scum?

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i think 572 is fairly townie

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So why is there a wagon on RedTea after I'm no long on him....?

i don't understand this question or what this is a reference too

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Tone.

his tone is at best nai, if not actually scummy

[skitter30]

redtea why are you still voting a50?

i'm kinda befuddled at the state of the wagons rn tbh; this game feels a bit like it's stagnating and i don't know why

[skitter30]

i really really don't see it

[skitter30]

also chara, why do you townread me?

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skitter: i thought i said why already, if not it's because of how your reads seem to be forming really organically. i was prepared to be extremely paranoid of you but instead i'm mostly confident you're just town. i've liked your takes as well, for the most part.

yeah i guess i'm kinda wondering what happened to the paranoia given coalition and the fact that you backup modded that game (which i forgot about it till last night)
like i guess i haven't played enough with you to know whether the default is 'paranoid of me' - like i don't know if town!you *would* be paranoid, but i also don't know if you wouldn't

but last night i remembered that the last time we were tvt we were mutually paranoid so i guess i'm just wondering why that didn't happen here

also i guess if you were scum who was townreading me for being paranoid of you based on coalition you probably would try to approach me the same way town!you did in coaltion? ie since you were paranoid there scum!you would try to tap into that here? so the lack of it is kinda townie?

idk how well i explained that really, sorry; i don't really know if i have a conclusion on this, just kinda rambling through of my misgivings

oh and skitter: yes, it's

partially

because of the game that just finished, the only thing i was paying full attention to was the scumteam.

yeah i guess if you see a big enough difference in my play here from there that explains it

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She has a strong tendency to say things that aren't actually meaningful analysis or reads, just speculation

oh this puts into words what i was trying to say about redtea's posting, i couldn't figure out how to articulate what was bothering me but it's just this ^^^^ there's a lot of speculation, and not much conclusion, engagement, or actionable thought

i'm also really confused by the general lack of resistance ot the wagon given that only like ~2 people have stated townreads on her?

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I don't think that failure to have conviction is a scum tell either, so I don't understand how you can find your stance re: Red Tea defensible.

If anything, Day 1 aimlessness is a trait I associate with town.

i mean sometimes? but the way she's behaving doesn't really feel like that aimlessness that comes from town trying to sort a pl and figure out their place in the gamestate

like it just feels like she doesn't know what to say

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@papa zito
i don't know why your'e pushing robert rn actually? or why you think his behavior is scummy? i can see why it might come across as inane or clueless or cog-dis-y but like i'm not sure why you think he's scum here honestly? or why you're pushing him so strongly over it?

also happy birthday!

There's nothing gut about it. Show me one redeeming post from that slot. One nugget that promotes a town agenda.

lack of towniness != scummy and i think it's kinda fallacious to push someone on that basis

unpopular opinion, but i agree with Zito on that. i don't consider it policy because to me, failure to be town is the same as being scummy.

i don't; i think lumping 'failure to be town' together with 'being scummy' is dangerous and facilitates mislynches

1. This slot has not engaged with the game in any meaningful way whatsoever.
2. This slot has not provided any information to the game whatsoever.
3. This slot has dodged attempts to make it do 1 or 2.

i don't think any of this is inherently scum indicative honestly
not actively sorting thhe pl, sure, but i've seen a lot of town players be like this so :shrug: it's not an inherently scummy trait

no, i don't want him around in lylo
yes, i much much prefer robert over a no lynch and i'd switch at deadline
but he isn't my preferred lynch and i can remain skeptical about the motivations of the people pushing this wagon and how this wagon is forming at the same time as not wanting him around in lylo and recognizing the inevitability of his probable lynch

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Ok, since "that game" is over, I can now declare skitter as a confident TR of mine. As annoying to me as she might be in this game, she has proven that she can't post like this as scum.

yeah so like basically this should have been a thing like late last week or so? i know you know how to tell the difference between my town game and scum game so i was kinda confused why you wouldn't answer a straight-up question as to whether or not you were townreading me because while i wasn't really expecting reasoning given ongoing games, i was expecting a townread; i'm not sure why you've been vote-parking me really given that context either

also like 341 was really really really confusing given the timing? since that post was fake and pre-arranged basically i couldn't tell where you were going with this one so i kinda dropped it but yeah

And you should know better. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture. (I -of course- won't tell you what to look for. At least not until I can mimic my scum play as Town in this very aspect).

i don't know if you feel scummy any more; parts of what you've said this morning feel kinda townie for you actually
i'm kinda confused a bit tbh and i might just let this sit till like tomorrow and try again then? idk

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elbirn is like really townie

Why the Robert scumread? I feel as though he's about to be the low-content, low-charisma, "Who is this guy again, oh shit deadline we need a lynch uhhh byebye" Day 1 obligatory mislynch. I don't see content worth scumreading, he's just sortofhere. Share your vision with me bbz

this also put into words like exactly why the robert push feels kinda :/

[skitter30]

sorry, long post is long

[skitter30]

yeah i guess i'm kinda wondering what happened to the paranoia given coalition and the fact that you backup modded that game (which i forgot about it till last night)
like i guess i haven't played enough with you to know whether the default is 'paranoid of me' - like i don't know if town!you *would* be paranoid, but i also don't know if you wouldn't

i mean, if i was just automatically paranoid of you a second time in spite of seeing a lot of your townplay in coalition, it'd mean i wasn't trying to improve my play or improve on how to read you. i was wary of your scumgame and your play seemed very "perfect", but i can see now that that's how town skitter behaves so now i'm able to focus on other things.

fair enough, fair enough

Thanks for repeating everything Elbirn said I guess.

yeah he kinda got to what i wanted to say before i said it
and then i saw that he said it already so i just kept it in

[skitter30]

fair enough
i retract my a50 scumread, he's prob town

[skitter30]

Can all 5 of you sitting on a vanity wagon, like, not be?

[skitter30]

Also if you're still scumreading bef can you explain why please?

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@skitter, if you insist calling it a vanity wagon, if you want me to vote Redtea, explain the reasoning why he's likely scum cause he's a null read to me.

it's a vanity wagon because you're sitting on a one vote wagon that looks incredibly unlikely to get more support and deadline is in less than two days

i can't even tell why you're scumreading mcqueen still tbh, and i don't really understand your readslist in this post either

redtea because she feels very passive; her posts don't say much; she's mostly speculating without coming to firm conclusions or engaging people or taking stances; i've called her out on this a bunch of times and she's never engaged me on it; she's not engaging th wagon on her or the people pushing her; she's not pushing her scumread (she's also sitting on a useless vanity wagon)

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@persivul i'll switch to robert before deadline if necessary

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Can all 5 of you sitting on a vanity wagon, like, not be?

Just bc you asked nicely.

VOTE: Redtea

tyty

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finna lift my vote for this post. took me too long to understand what the crap it meant.

idk, this doesn't seem faked and it's pointing that BEF is town (or unlikely, but potentially 3P, which is why he would townread redtea for asking about it)

UNVOTE:

tyty

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@redtea:

in you r recent post, you sound like you're scumreading robert
given that he's your cw i'm not entirely following why you don't just vote him instead of voting persivul?
there's like less than two days left, do you think a persivul wagon is viable rn?

and if you think persivul might be bussing robert why aren't you voting robert ... ?

not voting robert here is maybe a little townie actually? not sure? the persivul vote feels kinda bad tho

[skitter30]

@mod:

kinda vla till ~tuesday; i'm moving this weekend

[skitter30]

You know, I did think there was at least one vote on Persivul.

...
but why aren't you voting robert tho?

[skitter30]

5. Therefore, redtea comes up with the perfect plan of starting a new wagon, and then promptly fails to push it, ensuring it will fail.
6. After noting that she thought the wagon wasn't actually new, she leaves her vote there anyway.

yeah so this is like the one thing that's kinda townie from her iso because it's explicitly going against what i would be doing there as scum

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I'm noticing correlations between my reads and the people who have posted in my neighborhood.

can you say this sentence again? i'm not following what you're trying to say here

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[5] redtea: skitter30, implosion, Chara, Almost50, BrightEyedFish
[3] Robert2424: Papa Zito, Persivul, Enter

i kinda like the composition fo the redtea wagon better than the robert wagon

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Mcqueen is a policy, naking voting is crap and don't care what people say. It looks scummy to me, hence he's on my scum read.

not sure if this is how scum reacts to being pushed here because of their mcqueen vote when they're actively being wagoned and there's an active cw to them

[skitter30]

i don't particularly think that robert is flipping scum but a lynch needs to happen and we need time for claims and all that jazz and the redtea one has been curiously stalled despite me pushing it like forever so

VOTE: robert

if this flips town i'm pushing like everyone currently on the robert wagon tomorrow - elbirn + redtea

[skitter30]

yep

[skitter30]

? maybe i didn't convey what i'm saying well because i don't think either of you understood me

if robert flipped town i'd push: persivul, enter, papa zito and redtea
i would not push elbirn because i'm pretty sure he's town even though he's voting badly

[skitter30]

i agree with 765 fwiw

i really just don't want to end up in a 6-6 scenario with varsoon being unable to vote and a no-lynch happening

i guess i'm kinda at bad lynch > no lynch

[skitter30]

@papa zito

if robert is scum i don't think you bussed him; your push on him rn doesn't look like a bussing push

but if he's town you've basically spent the last few days corraling votes onto lynchbait who didn't actually do anything scummy while contributing to the resistance of a wagon on someone who actually *has* been scummy; i said this already but i find pushing someone day1 for 'lack of towniness' (ie as opposed to pushing someone for being actively scummy) to be incredibly suspect and how scum garner mislynches

so how i read you is kinda flip-dependant

[skitter30]

based on what redtea's said in this thread i don't see how she's garnering townreads rn
i don't know what she's said in the pt because i'm not in it so i can't really use that as a basis for figuring out who to lynch today

[skitter30]

but if he's town you've basically spent the last few days corraling votes onto lynchbait who didn't actually do anything scummy while contributing to the resistance of a wagon on someone who actually *has* been scummy; i said this already but i find pushing someone day1 for 'lack of towniness' (ie as opposed to pushing someone for being actively scummy) to be incredibly suspect and how scum garner mislynches

so how i read you is kinda flip-dependant

fascinating

idk what you're saying with this

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i still really really really much prefer redtea

[skitter30]

yes but persivul isn't getting lynched today so i don't get why you're voting there rn ....

if a hammer hasn't happened before i wake up i'll vote whichever wagon is larger

[skitter30]

i mean i'll switch back (which will make it 5:4 towards redtea) but i don't think there are two more votes for redtea rn

(and again the mysterious resistance to redtea given the fact that she only has like 3 townreads is really freaking weird)

[skitter30]

VOTE: papa zito

I was going to vote him anyways before i learned he was in the hood but yeah.

Bef is pretty obvtown imo

[skitter30]

And the reason I decided to vote Persivul over PZ was due to Persivul's spot/vote on Robert.

Persivul's felt more compromise-y due to the deadline tbh
Can you check if he voted redtea before or after she claimed?

[skitter30]

@BEF: What makes you positive scum's in your hood and didn't just, y'know, shoot one of the people in the hood to make people think that shit?

i mean, for them to have lucked out on a lover kill seems slightly implausible to me. not impossible, just not super likely
like killing redtea last night without knowledge of the lover thing is kinda .... a really really really dumb kill given the two wagons yesterday

killing enter is slightly more plausible to me, but not much

[skitter30]

@a50 can you vote papa zito please?

[skitter30]

Also, I didn't expect two motherfuckers to die, so I'm still without a vote today, so we'll need literally everyone on a scum wagon to get a lynch, so get your shit together.

... is this like an every day thing? because if we're on evens your lack of vote kinda makes things difficult

[skitter30]

@chara does the hated go away in lylo?

[skitter30]

Also, I didn't expect two motherfuckers to die, so I'm still without a vote today, so we'll need literally everyone on a scum wagon to get a lynch, so get your shit together.

... is this like an every day thing? because if we're on evens your lack of vote kinda makes things difficult

also ngl removing yoru vote again is kinda scummy

[skitter30]

why would scum think that there are even lovers in the hood in the first place if there aren't scum in there?

like me, looking at this game, i didn't think: hey, there's prob lovers in the hood!
that didn't even occur to me as a possibility

if they're in the hood they know who the lovers are
if they aren't in the hood then they wouldn't shoot for the lovers; if they aren't in the hood shooting redtea is dumb and idk why they shoot enter last night either really

what do you mean by red herring?

[skitter30]

like why do scum shoot in the hood if they don't know there are lovers in it

also don't remove your vote again, we need it if we're on evens; a lynch on scum today is going to be like impossible
and if you're scum removing your vote after shooting lovers seems like a pretty good deal; it makes getting a scum lynch today that much more difficult

[skitter30]

i think papa zito is scum
the fact that he's in the hood is additional evidence pointing in that direction but that's not why i'm voting him rn; i would have voted him there today irregardless

if scum flips in the hood you're a very viable partner imo given that you're trying to distract attention from there rn

[skitter30]

tyty

[skitter30]

it looks like he can choose which night to commute? or am i missing something

[skitter30]

i missed that

[skitter30]

I think Zito's town from play yesterday and I'm curious to see what he has to say about the 'gold' he was gonna get from the wagons.
Who all is even in the hood, though?
And I'm not distracting--I'm saying scum would've been cognizant enough to realize who would be suspected if they killed someone who claimed in-hood, so if scum is in the hood, they took the shot feeling they'd still be safe and that town would eat themselves alive trying to lynch in the hood-pool. Conversely, if no scum are in the hood and it was a fluke, then town trying to lynch in the hood means we just lose the fucking game. Regardless, unless you think ALL OF THE SCUM are in the hood, then it makes more sense to scumhunt independent of the hood and weight scumreads out the hood heavier, no?

why do you think zito's play yesterday was townie? i think it was quite scummy in the context of the flip
and again, i'm not saying i'm pushing him *because* he's in the hood. i'm pushing him, and incidentally he's in the hood, which i think lends credence to the push; my scumread is independant of the hood, but strengthened by it, if that makes sense
i'm in no way suggesting that we just lynch through the hood in an attempt to find scum
i also think that if we ever look back at this with the knowledge that there's scum in the hood (ie in like three dayphases from now or whatever), this convo is scum-indicative

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it looks like he can choose which night to commute? or am i missing something

You're missing that redtea

died at night

while Enter

committed suicide at dawn

, maybe?

yeah i somehow skimmed past that, whoops

[skitter30]

i'll be around tomorrow, sorry

[skitter30]

What about the flip exactly makes Zito scummy, skitter?

My immediate inclination is to go Persivul if we're going in the hood.

pushing lynchbait because he wasn't townie (not because he was scummy, mind you, or because papa zito was scumreading him, but for a lack of towniness). it's an easy push to make and it felt oppurtunistic/taking-advantage-y to me
the redtea townflip doesn't really change that

i don't really townread persivul, but i don't really scumread him either; his flip onto redtea and then robert was kinda meh but i can't really fault him because i did something similar before deadline so yeah

although thinking about the dynamics of yesterday, persivul seemed kinda bandwagon-y, kinda chiming in to say that he doesn't see a reason not to lynch robert after papa zito had been going on about it for a while. idk persivul looks bad if papa zito is town imo but i still think papa zito's push was bad

in the context of both of them flipping town persivul is maybe a little worse actually i think because he flipped from robert to redtea and back to robert; if he's scum he doesn't care which get lynched; like it's kinda scummy in a vaccuum but i guess the reason why i don't scumread this straight up is because i didn't want a no-lynch yesterday and i would have voted for either towards eod too

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He claimed it in the hood, where at least four other people could see it.

do you think there's scum in the hood?
i mean there probably is, and scum knows about it already probably, so i can see why you think you aren't outing anything new but it's a little ??? to claim something sombody else said in private in the main thread

like i'm kinda thinking that if i were in bef's position i wouldn't want somebody to say what i claimed in the hood in the main thread on the offchance there *weren't* scum in the hood, even if it was likely that there *are* scum there

i think this incident, and this quote, kinda belies a lack of paranoia about whether there might be scum in the hood, which i think is more likely to come from scum who already know whether or not there is

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i think bef is pretty townie, irregardless of the conftown thing

[skitter30]

Way I see it is either BEF killed to protect himself after getting a juicy lovers claim
or
Scum in the hood saw a situation where BEF would look really bad and they could double kills on killing lover

I think the fluke of the kill landing how it did if there were no scum in the hood is too unlikely.

so you think he semi-claimed first and saw the lovers claim, and killed them to explain why he didn't die?
is that what you mean by the first bit?
i don't know if that's the timeline for how things went down? has it been specified?
but if he's scum now he needs to confirm himself which places him in an awkward position ...

If hood really doesn't have a userlist though, I bet dollars to donuts that scum just didn't post there, but in that case, I wonder why the N1 kill wasn't on someone in the hood.

so you think all the people posting in the hood rn are town?

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Not at all. First, as you note above, it's highly likely that there's scum in the hood. Second, you, like Chara, are locktowning BEF from his D1 play. I had him as a town lean as well, and even defended him: 237 239. But, unlike you guys, I'm taking in new evidence with an open mind.

i just don't really see him as scum. i'm not locktowning him but i don't understand why the conftown-claim-in-hood thing incriminates him either?

- fish claims he can conftown himself tomorrow as cover

as cover for what?
like i don't really see why he, as scum, does this bit here?

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Shit I thought we were D3 then
Well yeah I'm willing to bet scum just didn't talk at all in the hood, unless BEF is scum and shot survivalistically, or scum think they won't get caught otherwise.

i don't know why bef = town implies that scum aren't talking in the hood (and that all 5 people posting are town?)
or why bef shoots enter to avoid the push (ie why is that the determining factor for the nk, do other scum get an opinion here?)
or why bef claims something confirmable to 4 people who can report it in the main thread if he's scum

[skitter30]

Fish says he can conftown himself - that gives him cover for the kill, because he wouldn't be afraid of Enter pushing him if he really can conftown himself.

yeah but then today he needs to conftown himself, and if he doesn't he's going to get pushed today anyways? since someone in the hood is going to repeat what he said today most probably
like i don't get what benefit he gets out of this really

also like ... if i were scum with him i'd have him like repeat everything that's going on in the hood and make sure things like 'claim conftown in order to get the lover pair off his back the same night i'm planning on killing the lover pair' doesn't happen
like who is he scum with that they all think this is a good idea? li

[skitter30]

no, i don't think there's much town motivation either. but lack of town motivation for an action doesn't make it scummy
(remember we just did this yesterday with robert)

and i mean it wouldn't be a surprise day3 lylo given that once redtea and enter claimed in the hood it would get out here today

[skitter30]

Chara, I DREAM of the day that a mod has oversight enough to make a spy hood and then town is foolish enough to post anything truthful in there.

do you think about this in every game you play with hoods?

hey skitter, i found Zito's defense of skitter and pushing of Robert to be townier than Persivul's compromise vote. since both wagons were town, having a strong preference for one looks better to me.
i realize i'm not actually sure what you're scumreading Zito for.

i really really didn't like his robert push yesterday and i felt it relied on something that i don't consider to be a scumtell that i've seen scum utilize to score mislynches in other games

ie pushing someone for not being townie and not because they think they're actually scummy; i hate it when people are pushed for that, especially day1 because it isn't actually a scumtell imo; i don't know if i've *ever* seen a push like this actually end up on scum, but i've seen scum push townies who don't obvtown well for not being townie lots of times. the whole push just felt like the archetypical: push lynchbait for not being townie. it's a really really easy place for scum to push and i don't like it

however after ruminating a bit i think persivul's interactions wrt bef and the hood and the lovers thing are kinda worse today so

VOTE: persivul

[skitter30]

*Sigh*

Not 100% convinced, and I still would rather Papa Zito, but in order to fully pocket skitter I have to be an obedient boy for now

VOTE: Persivul

well i wasn't really paranoid till you posted this so ...

[skitter30]

In the air
I'll be honest
I forgot Elbirn and mcqueen were in this game until they posted today.

Otherwise it's like

TOWN
BEF if he confirms today
A50
Zito
Chara
People I forgot exist
Persivul
implosion
BEF if he can't confirm

a) how are you reading me?
b) why is bef scum if he can't confirm exactly?
c) have you ever found a reason to townread a50 beyond tone
d) actually now that i think about it this whole list i don't really get in a holistic sense like at all. in comparison to my own reads this is like a random list of names

[skitter30]

also @chara at some point you became a really strong townread
i'm not entirely sure how or why that happened but ~ the second-to-last irl day of day1 you became a really strong townread and it's held up since

[skitter30]

If you all can just forget this, forgive me and let me redeem myself tomorrow that would be very gracious.

So i think you either just made up the whole thing out of thin air and that you don't really have an ability at all (possible given what a50 said about your penchant for fake-claims) or that you targeted someone who can't be targeted and/or got blocked etc

I have a guess for what happened here but i'll wait a bit to say it
Given the situation i think you prob need to full-claim

I do still think you're town tho, don't want you lynched today really

[skitter30]

What's your take on the whole BEF thing? It resonates with me on another level, tbh.

??? Whar does this mean?

[skitter30]

I can explain other reads if you want, but if you can't grok my stances, then I dunno how fruitful it'll be.

Yeah i guess what's bothering me the most rn is that your list is so dissimilar to mine that we're looking at completely different gamestates and like i don't get your pov here really at all

[skitter30]

Alright then, round 2.
Friendly Neighbor
Inventor
Double-vote Enabler

Mod doesn't tell you the action was unsuccessful on these.

Why are you bending over backward to make bad defenses of his claim?

This is getting ridiculous.

VOTE: BEF

Awful vote

[skitter30]

Given the situation i think you prob need to full-claim

Eh maybe not. I don't really need you to fullclaim rn but i want this resolved before mylo and then i realized that could be tomorrow so yeah idk

[skitter30]

In the air
I'll be honest
I forgot Elbirn and mcqueen were in this game until they posted today.

Otherwise it's like

TOWN
BEF if he confirms today
A50
Zito
Chara
People I forgot exist
Persivul
implosion
BEF if he can't confirm

Papa zito is too high
A50 is too high
Chara is too low
Implosion is too low

[skitter30]

Don't see how a full claim actually helps us. You either believe BEF at this point or you don't.

I don't really believe it but i think he's town so whatever i dont know if i care too much rn

[skitter30]

BEF/Varsoon/Chara

If I'm right you three have to buy me a pizza postgame

Thanks ♡

why am i not in this scumteam?
ie you think varsoon and chara are sketchy for defending bef, but so have i?

[skitter30]

Bef i think you kinda need to claim now - this whole thing is making the game stall and we dont have that much time left

[skitter30]

Idk how it was supposed to conftown him but i don't think it comes from scum!him most of the time

[skitter30]

And you were explicitly told it failed, right?

[skitter30]

Ok

Idk why one would have worked but not the other tho
I kinda doubt there's a day rb? Like the odds of there being a day rb who happened to target you seems unlikely

As i was writing this i remembered that you kinda softed something in the hood so nm you were a decent day rb candidate by scum

@persivul if that's what happened that explaind why the lovers died over someone who softed

@a50 what did he fake-claim in your game again?

@bef have you ever played a game that had a motivator in it before?

[skitter30]

Point those out?

On balance it's too much of a funky claim for you to have made up out of whole cloth i think

[skitter30]

Yeah ok i believe that

If you're voting bef get off him now please

Ok. So day rb might be a thing, or you targeted ascetic/commuter or something like that i guess

[skitter30]

And i guess by not getting a hood you're kinda informed that the action failed for whatever reason

[skitter30]

my basic feeling is that this is too wacky/funky/nuanced of a role for him to make up without someone like {varsoon/a50} feeding him the specifics; i think a fake-claim like this as scum is pretty much out of his range and comes from town most of the time. there is some chance that he's scum with one of the two of you but i don't find that super likely rn

ie the way he claimed it seems town to me; i would be pretty surprised if he, as scum, came up with this as a fake role without any assistance given the hood and today's interactions.

thinking more mechanically tho i'm wondering if this makes sense with what's been flipped and claimed thus far. could a scum motivator make sense here?

[skitter30]

uh cuz i forgot again that that's a thing, whoops

ok let me think that through: he's a scum whatever with a day neighborizing motivator fake-claim .... that's a really freaking bizarre fake-claim honestly; like why claim that at this stage and not just like day cop where he can fake a result or something; neighborizing motivator over a few days will need to be verified in the form of people claiming he used his action on them

actually now that i think about it @bef did you try to use your ability yesterday?
and in the hood, he claims to conftown himself the next day based on this claim, which feels kinda risky to do if he has buddies who know the fake-claim? like that's now how i'd handle this fake-claim as scum at all really

like i feel like he might get coached as scum here needing to claim something and his actions don't really feel like that's happening.

and like if he's a scum neighborizing motvator with a town neighborizing motivator fake-claim, his whole interactions and claim and hood thing feel too *messy* to be coming from scum honestly

[skitter30]

my basic feeling is that this is too wacky/funky/nuanced of a role for him to make up without someone like {varsoon/a50} feeding him the specifics;

Not to contradict you, but scum!me would on;y fake a role like that for MYSELF. The reason is "what if I wasn't there for them to help respond to any given push/questioning?". For my teammates I usually tell them to fake something simple or not at all, and just "stick to the plan"

yeah that's fair, sorry

i was just thinking like who in this game would even come up with this role as a fake-claim, but yeah, you probably wouldn't instruct someone else to claim it

[skitter30]

i thought it enables someone to do an action twice in one night
like if you're a doc who gets motivated you can heal 2 people that night

but i could be wrong

also if he's a scum motivator he just motivates any of his buddies who's a pr i think, if there are other scum prs? (at least given what i understand a motivator to be)
like if he's scum i don't think the failed motivation on chara like even happens or unfolds that way ever, irregardless of chara's alignment

i do want to know if he tried to motivate someone day1 tho

[skitter30]

because I feel like my townread for zito is the kind of thing that doesn't actually have very good reasons behind it; i find it odd the votes are between BEF/Pers instead of Zito/Pers.

oh and the fact that the people who are pushing bef are all people that i don't townread makes me wary

[skitter30]

fairly good i think
i have a bunch of townreads that i'm fairly solid on
a pretty strong scumread (albeit one that might not get lynched today given evens + varsoon's lack of a vote)

don't have great reads on mcqueen (need him to like post actual thoughts instead of prodging) or papa zito rn tho
or varsoon really either

how do you read varsoon?

[skitter30]

yeah i feel kinda the same way about varsoon
the towniness from mcqueen has kinda vanished for me
elbirn and chara are actually my strongest townreads rn i think

[skitter30]

yeah that's fair
i don't know either of their scumranges either
still think they're both pretty townie tho

[skitter30]

Persivul wagon's way too easy, feels scum-endorsed.

uh i townread to some extent or another literally every player on that wagon so you're going to have to explain exactly who you think is scum pushing this

[skitter30]

i'm like so confused by these last two posts?
do you basically think he's scum getting bussed rn?

wrt persivul: don't like how he's pushing bef, don't like how isn't paranoid about scum in the hood, don't like how he outed bef's claim without a good reason for it

p-edit i was about to ask you why you weren't voting if you htought he was scum but yeah
this lack of vote thing is kinda annoying and i'm not sure why you've voluntarily done this so

yeah ok bussing is fair in that context
your last couple of posts kinda track internally actually; they make sense as a cohesive thought

[skitter30]

By the same right, though, scum can just hold off on voting for any town player because they will be implicated by the flip so they'd look way better if it was all town mislynching and, more likely, town just can't get a lynch.

eh i really really hope we don't end up with a no-lynch today
i kinda think scum would hop on a townie wagon today honestly; i dont' think they would specifically try to make a lynch *not* happen if a townie wagon is building

[skitter30]

@Chara: I believe you more. It's harder for me to follow Skitter.

ok, what parts of what i've been saying are hard for you to follow?

[skitter30]

idk
it was a townread but it's just been weakening and he hasn't been around to maintain it

idk how else to explain that really honestly; sometimes i have reads that are strong at one point but if they stop behaving in that townie way i lose the read

[skitter30]

have you like never had a read like that?

[skitter30]

Can anyone explain exactly what a motivator is? I thought it would be like a reload for another players x-shot role, but the wiki says it enables a player to do two actions in one night. This is only possibly useful on a player who has two night actions and that just seems bizarre to me

According to my role PM, if I motivate someone it will give them the multitasking ability and will be permanent.

@mod

:
suppose a scum pr (say, a rolecop) gets motivated. would they then be able to do their personal ability (ie rolecop someone) and a factional ability (ie kill someone) on the same night?

[skitter30]

Then what was the 'turn' and what originally read as townie to you?
'cus to me it seems like the 'turn' was just him not being active D2 (and I've even tried to propose how that might be alignment indicative) but I still don't know why you were townreading the slot.

I've had reads like that but I can usually point to places where reads developed or where I changed my mind, y'know? Usually, at least. Sometimes, though, yeah, my reads are ineffable/hard to express, but I at least try to be open about them.

it wasn't liek a specific turn or event that i can point to, more a gradual weakening of a townread over a period of time.
i was kinda townreading him at the start of the day, now i'm not

i think day1 i liked some of his posts; in context they felt kinda townie
skimming his iso again now i don't really see it anymore tbh

[skitter30]

You do realize they shot redtea, right? Redtea died Night 1, and entered suicided the Dawn of the next morning. Redtea was the NK

yeah this got pointed out to me later

[skitter30]

hey, mcqueen, come vote persivul with us!

[skitter30]

Why? I’m kind of null on him rn. I’ll check his iso later. Also still have ~15 pages to read :/

wrt persivul: don't like how he's pushing bef, don't like how isn't paranoid about scum in the hood, don't like how he outed bef's claim without a good reason for it

also his reaction to pressure is kinda underwhelming

==

I've been townreading percival lately and I'm still unsatisfied with bef

i don't understand how people are still scumreading bef.
or reading further on why you're voting him agian; his claim comes from scum like never (like i can believe that he single-handedly forgot that chara was an ascetic - but the whole scumteam forgetting that? and being cool with him targeting them? or with him fake-claiming targeting them?like this doesn't make sense to me.

For one thing, his 2nd post in this game is him quoting chara claiming ascetic. I dont buy for a moment that he forgets this. It sounds more to me like his claim would have been falsifiable since he claimed neighborizer, so he had to claim to target someone it would fail on

like it's not just him forgetting, it's the whole scumteam forgetting and allowing him to put himself in a purposefully difficult position.

==

skitter announcing a strong townread on me came off as strange. i don't really see the point of it. it's hard to explain but i already think i was pretty townread in a general sense.

it wasn't directly related to anything, more like i realized i never said i had been townreading you so i just said it

==

That's how I usually play town PR. I play VT or scum much more actively, and as scum I go balls out on defense. I recently forgot to tone down as TPR in this game where I was cop, and I got killed N1 for it and town lost. I was trying to avoid that here.

i actually thought about the possibility that you might be a pr, but you feel nothing like that mini i played with you where you were a cop and iirc got nk'd n2, so i thought you being a pr wasn't too likely.
did you try to change your playstyle from that game too?

(ie when you repped in you were under a lot of pressure and you were very forceful in pushing back against it; you're a lot more passive here)

==

I'm a Phantom Cop. Each night I can learn whether someone is a Typhon Phantom. From discussions with mod I think that scum are all Typhons, but not all are specifically Phantoms. He wasn't perfectly clear. I asked straight out if I'm a Goon Cop but he wouldn't confirm. I targeted A50 last night but got a No Result.

eh

UNVOTE:
i don't find this claim to be particularly townie.
wouldn't want to mislynch this tho but like i don't particularly believe it. i don't particularly disbelieve it either; it just kinda is
why did you target a50 last night?

==

I'm really glad I changed my mind about doing a VC because it would have been for nothing, thanks a50

If you mcqueen and skitter could see the light that would be radicool

lmao no
he's town and i'm not voting there

==

Guys, IF there is scum in the neighborhood it's Zito. Both Persy & BEF are now Town to me and they will probably get resolved at night, so I don't want to do the scum's job for them. I am not lynching either.

why is persivul town ????

==

i'd vote Fish over Persivul here. my break's over but i'll be back tonight.

i'd vote persivul over fish

i'll do papa zito tho

[skitter30]

VOTE: papa zito

[skitter30]

i don't know if there's time for this wagon, but i think it on the whole feels a better option than Zito.

i'm not sure what changed from a few posts up, where you voted zito
not particularly vibing an implosion lynch today; i'd prefer in zito/persivul (and since persivul is presumably off the table, zito)
i own't vote bef today; if scum want him out of the game they need to nk him
(also the fact that both persivul and zito want this makes me quite wary)

this was a "softing scum". being Ascetic, Chara doesn't worry much about Percy, but they want the motivator gone sooner than later, and tying BEF with mcqueen hints Chara wants to bus mcqueen if they could.

can you say this again? i'm not following this bit really

[skitter30]

i mean sure
but they might be able to guilty their partners?
(depending on which scum are typhons are whatever the specific thing he can check is called, maybe it's phantom, i didn't go back to check)

[skitter30]

oh, skitter already asked that and it didn't click.

and Almost, you're also forgetting that Fish's ability does

not

give anyone a second shot. what it does is enable multitasking. a player would need two abilities already before Fish's motivate was useful.

did htis ever get definitively clarified by the mod? i remember that there was some discussion about it but i don't recall if the mod specified what he meant by 'motivating'

[skitter30]

Can anyone explain exactly what a motivator is? I thought it would be like a reload for another players x-shot role, but the wiki says it enables a player to do two actions in one night. This is only possibly useful on a player who has two night actions and that just seems bizarre to me

According to my role PM, if I motivate someone it will give them the multitasking ability and will be permanent.

@mod

:
suppose a scum pr (say, a rolecop) gets motivated. would they then be able to do their personal ability (ie rolecop someone) and a factional ability (ie kill someone) on the same night?

yeah i asked this but i think xtoxm has been vla since then

[skitter30]

a50 your pre-flips are a bit too much for me to follow rn i think; not sure why you think scum!chara busses partner!mcqueen in particular if bef, implosion, and persivul are town and papa zito is scum, not sure where this team came from honestly

[skitter30]

Still sounds like a town ability all the way to me. I don't see a mod giving scum the ability to make another scum multitasking over giving the 2nd scum that multitasking modifier straight up.

if bef is scum and can make scum multitasking (ie enable them to do a personal pr and nk the same night) i think he just motivates a partner-pr quietly instead of like getting into this whole thing by claiming in the hood and then insinuating that they targeted chara, it's just way too messy to come from scum imo. like i just don't see it unfolding this way if he's scum
(this is assuming a partner is a pr which i think is fairly reasonable for a game that looks role-madness-y)

[skitter30]

@Chara: Forget everything I said, and just watch Chara's play. REMEMBER: You and Chara have VERY SIMILAR playsyles (aside from you being a bit more stubborn as Town). Let me know if this would YOUR Scum or Town play (assuming hypothetically that Chara was YOUR ALT and "skitter" wasn't in this game)

uh was this addressed to me?

from the assumption that chara has a similar playstyle to my own, i would be townreading them here
the thing is that the specific thing that i have a lot of trouble with (faking real-time interaciton as scum in a way that makes me look townie) i think they're much better at than me, so townreading them on that because i have trouble with that but knowing that they're better at it than me seems kinda weird

this is kinda confusing and i'm not sure if that makes sense, let's try it like this:
in what way do you think chara's play rn might be similar to my scumgame?

[skitter30]

so you have read a scumgame of mine?

more like if you're scum here you're obviously better at that than i am cuz i couldn't interact in real-time like this as scum really + i'm pretty sure in coalition iirc you said something along the lines that you would do your best to be present to interact with people to make them townread you
(whereas me as scum just tries to avoid real time whenever possible)

[skitter30]

@skitter: They switched back to Zito after I made that case, when ""you" would be too stubborn to go back to Zito as Town, but very much willing to as Scum. That's a good example, I think.

scum!me with scum!zito, vs town!me who was townreading zito and not interested in joining?
yeah i agree, i would probably try to get back on the wagon to mitigate you thinking that
(although if i thought that you'd be more likely to scumread me if i moved back on him after you called me out on it i might stay off)

but if you think chara would do that too i can see where you're coming from; you meant more like how i'd approach partners or gamestates than like a holisitic scumplay style

[skitter30]

i mean i'd vote implosion over a no lynch or at deadline or whatever but there's other people i'd rather lynch today

@a50, independant of chara, how are you reading mcqueen?

[skitter30]

huh
you actually think their response here engaging you about your theory is scum!indicative for them? i didn't really have much of a problem with their response really, doesn't feel too defensive or anything to me

also i;m not sure that i would characterize their behavior rn as fighting a lynch on them

[skitter30]

@a50, independant of chara, how are you reading mcqueen?

I just said I thought Chara was bussing him when they paired him with BEF in order to shade BEF. Does that give you any hints?

I explicitly had Zito > mcqueen > implosion before now, but I am now not sure about implosion, so let's say implosion = Chara here (I think I've just got myself NK'd)

i dont think implosion and chara are scum together really
and that;s why i asked how you were reading mcqueen indepdnant of chara (ie if you ignore all the partner associatives, just on his play alone - trying to gague if you scumread him independantly too, or only as a potential partner)

[skitter30]

huh i can buy that too honestly
the 3p prob isn't an sk given that we only had one nk last night (although there's only one night of evidence and they might just be a novice or even-night killer or something). haven't thought too much about 3p tho

[skitter30]

kinda tending town on a50 still i think

[skitter30]

i'm maybe losing the strenght of the elbirn townread a bit tho, but i still overall townread him

[skitter30]

oh i was thinking this, but forgot to say it i think:
persivul getting rb'd last night is kinda random imo, given that he didn't really soft anything

[skitter30]

your reason for voting bef rn is bad and you should feel bad

[skitter30]

no, your reasons are god-awful and i explained why like four times already

papa zito had a scummy push on robert yesterday, as i also explained like four times already

i'm literally not voting bef today because i think he's town and would prefer a nolynch to happen instead

[skitter30]

persivul i personally think tonight that you should check in {varsoon/mcqueen/papa zito if he doesn't get lynched}
i guess maybe implosion too but i'd prioritize these people ^^^

[skitter30]

uh it's the exact same reasoning from that initial post (and other posts that i made roughly the same time); i decided i disliked persivul more but he claimed phantom cop or whatever so he isn't getting lynched today; i don't particularly believe the claim but i don't think he should be lynched.

i was literally only on that wagon because of the deadline, i'm on the record saying that multiple times
that was not my preferred lynch yesterday (albeit, yes, i wanted a lynch on another townie but robert i was lowkey townreading and i only voted him because it was like a day before deadline and i felt like i needed to compromise to make a lynch happen). i wasn't endorsing the robert push, i recognized i needed to compromise ot make a lynch happen

idk what you mean by 'reneging on the zito read' in the last quote; by 'not having a great read on papa zito' i meant that he hadn't done anything that i townread.

i would literally be shocked if bef is scum here and i'm not voting him. i don't want a no-lynch but i want to not-lynch him more.

i recognize chara's point but i still think his robert push yesterday was scummy.

if my options are: bef, persivul, or papa zito (given the current vc), i pick papa zito

[skitter30]

i don't understand your bef vote still either really

[skitter30]

yeah i think implosion is a decent check too @persivul

[skitter30]

oh i kinda actually forgot that all three of them were in the hood tbh
that's not really why i'm focusing on them rn, more based on viable lynches given the timeframe

i don't think i'm voting bef, sorry
yeah implo's post was kinda :/
mcqueen popping in was kinda :/

[skitter30]

i thought today was going to be 5:3 and was going to suggest massclaim but idk if that's still optimal

i've also reached the paranoid stage of the game and don't really have any strong townreads anymore except maybe chara and bef; i kinda need to start re-evaluating everything

glad varsoon got his vote back

[6] Papa Zito: mcqueen, Almost50, skitter30, Chara, implosion, BrightEyedFish (Lynch)

i think scum votes on this wagon most-to-least likely is:

mcqueen > implosion > a50 > chara > bef

so i'm going to start here

VOTE: mcqueen

[skitter30]

not sure if you would have drawn the kill last night in that gamestate, but that's good to know

persivul should def out his check

bef's motivate/neighborize today should be talked about imo

[skitter30]

also i guess if other people are ascetic or commutable that would have been nice to know like two days ago
it's not quite as important now i guess but yeah

[skitter30]

i'm pretty sure he used it on chara

[skitter30]

ok. i don't know what the signifcance of that is tho

[skitter30]

but if it's scum-flavor cop that can catch exactly 1 scum, that's a different story.

i feel like it's this (or maybe two scum idk). ie that it can catch some scum on flavor but not all of them
can humans be phantoms?

[skitter30]

i don't think you really mishandled this
thanks for clarifying about the human/phantom/typhon thing

since town are humans, we're basically saying a phantom result is a guilty, but a not-phantom result isn't ai, right?

[skitter30]

in a vaccum, i kinda think that varsoon's role is town-oriented, but i'm not super comfortable basing reads off of that

[skitter30]

so i guess my problem is that rn i'm lightly townleaning and/or null-towning a lot of people and i don't know if i explicitly scumread anyone, so much as i just don't townread a few people

and that dynamic is making me unsure of the people i townread

like my poe isn't really big enough to fit all the scumz unless i exactly nailed the scumteam which means i'm probably going wrong somewhere

[skitter30]

i have a couple things i want to say on that list that i'm going to wait a bit for

[skitter30]

elbirn can you explain exactly why you think he's scum?
as of rn i highly highly doubt i'd support a bef lynch today

[skitter30]

don't motivate yet today

[skitter30]

why is he mechanically clear?

[skitter30]

The following is public knowledge: the setup consists of a town faction (Human) and a single groupscum faction (Typhon), where "groupscum" is defined as having more than one player. Typhon will have daytalk and safe claims. It is not public knowledge whether other alignments exist in the game.

[skitter30]

you didn't target anyone day1, right?

[skitter30]

why is he mechanically clear?

@a50

[skitter30]

Don't motivate him yet. I want to talk about this a bit more when i get home soonish

[skitter30]

@a50 i'll probably have more to say to this soon but i'm kinda waiting for something to happen

i believe such a role exists. if you only have one ability remaining why do you want to be motivated ... ?

[skitter30]

@a50: thanks. these past couple of posts have firmed up my townread on you some (i think)
i have more i want to say about this a bit later

[skitter30]

do humans use that? or typhons? or both? or neither?
sorry i can't really tell

[skitter30]

Setup Info
The following is public knowledge: the setup consists of a town faction (Human) and a single groupscum faction (Typhon), where "groupscum" is defined as having more than one player. Typhon will have daytalk and safe claims. It is not public knowledge whether other alignments exist in the game.

i mean this looks to me like groupscum are just typhon and town are just humans and that 3p may be whatever

[skitter30]

honestly the flavor is kinda going over my head so i'm kinda assuming that you're truthfully representing it (this may be a faulty assumption) and that humans = town and typhon = scum and idk = 3p if one exists

[skitter30]

ok a few things:
1. why is mcqueen town?

2. why aren't you putting much weight in the fact that persivul is the only claimed investigative rn (ie i don't follow why you want to lynch him anyways. is it just because he's in the neighborhood?)

3.not sure why you care that much about the neighborhood anyways (fi you're scum it's either with bef or there's no scum in the neighborhood)

4. i don't get the redtea-vig thing or what it has to do with persivul. ie are you arguing that if persivul is town there's no scum in the neighborhood so they wouldn't have known about the lovers thing so the best explanation for the redtea death is a vig shot? (in a game where we're missing nks ...?)

5. why am i not strong town to you rn?

the most important questions are 1 and 2 and i really want answers to both of those

[skitter30]

Yeah I was kinda waiting for implosion to say something but he didn't. I kinda think that he's scum now and I'm trying to figure out the best way to get the information in case he's town without revealing too much; if he's scum it doesn't matter quite as much because I'd be quite surprised if he hadn't figured it out already.

And if he is scum I want to make sure there's no confusion in case I die; I want this action to be unambiguous and I want scum!him to account for it, and I don't want scum to take advantage of any ambiguity that may occur if I don't specify what I did.

In most universes I think town shares this thing right away, and his post from last night doesn't entirely feel like it's coming from that town perspective.

(I can think of a couple of reasons why town!him wouldn't share this, but I think those are more fringe cases, and I'd like to sort out at least one of them if it happened too)

So I guess let's start playing 20 questions

Implosion did you receive anything at the end of n1/start of day2?

[skitter30]

he's voting you because your read on him changed in a way that doesn't really make sense to me.
you were convinced scum was in the neighbourhood, but now you aren't?

Not really anymore. I mean it could make sense but just going off statistics, lynching from the hood as been a town massacre. I know I'm town and that would only leave Pers as the lone scum in the hood and I think its worth maybe lynching elsewhere.
Maybe we are looking in the wrong spots.

Ngl this is kinda scummy

[skitter30]

he's voting you because your read on him changed in a way that doesn't really make sense to me.
you were convinced scum was in the neighbourhood, but now you aren't?

Not really anymore. I mean it could make sense but just going off statistics, lynching from the hood as been a town massacre. I know I'm town and that would only leave Pers as the lone scum in the hood and I think its worth maybe lynching elsewhere.
Maybe we are looking in the wrong spots.

Ngl this is kinda scummy

Says one of the two people on both lynch wagons.

for the six billionth time, i was only on the first wagon because of the deadline

[skitter30]

i didn't want that wagon to happen .... i was on it to prevent a no-lynch

i'm also not sure how this is relevant to the topic at hand (ie if there's scum in the neighborhood it's persivul but we shouldn't lynch there!)

[skitter30]

bleh maybe i bungled this, sorry

i thought you were trying to maybe indicate a guilty on persivul but your post wasn't like *strong* enough to have had a guilty on him so that didn't feel right, and i couldn't quite tell what you were going for and i wanted to make sure that if there was a result it got out. your post wasn't quite what i was expecting and it felt kinda off.

and basically knowing that there are cop shots floating about his role makes sense to me as a weaker investigative in conjunction with that (ie there's a limited number of cop shots + an investigative who only gets flavor-guilties on some scum), that's why it didn't make super much sense to me that you were ignoring that and why i asked you about it. like from what i see of the setup persivul's role makes sense as one of the main investigatives, supplemented by copshots.

it's possible i'm wrong because i don't know the full setup at this stage but the two things kinda complement each other imo.

[skitter30]

i think everyone has indicated at least part of their role already except implosion and mcqueen
what i have definitely isn't strong enough to be the main investigative of the setup, that's why i'm kinda tending on persivul being town here in the absence of other claims

[skitter30]

eh i don't think i need to say it anymore

[skitter30]

i don't *think* implosion checks his partner. i don't know if the check makes implosion less scummy tho; i'm pretty sure a50 is just town now

i think this setup is underpowered investigative wise from what i see rn, that's kinda why i think persivul might be town here
another thing is that i'm not sure if scum!persivul wants to pick off members of the hood ... where does that leave him tomorrow if he lynches bef?

i don't actually townread his play tho.

[skitter30]

he can motivate me, it won't do anything particularly exicting tho (well, at least, i should be able to confirm that i got motivated but it wont' really affect the action i'm planning on taking)
i'm fine with him motivating a50 now too

i don't townread elbirn as strongly as i did

[skitter30]

also i'm just going to note that mcqueen has been around and online and posted elsewhere since the day started

[skitter30]

fair enough
sorry for bungling any gambits you were running :/
i couldn't really tell where you were going with it and i did want to make sure the result got out somewhere
i also think that's the towniest post you made in ~two dayphases

i don't really object to massclaim (i might partially claim one of my actions tho; i think it's negative utility to claim it fully)

p-edit @implosion

[skitter30]

i don't think it's a good idea to make judgements about Percy's alignment based on setup spec when we don't have all of the information. the point about picking off members of the hood as scum, i do get. and i understand why Percy is scumreading Fish.

@Almost: not sure how Fish is mechanically confirmed town. i know you said it would be too swingy if he could motivate his partners permanently: we have no proof his motivate is permanent, just his word.

fair enough wrt percy

i also strongly believe that fish's role is +town utility. i don't think it mechanically confirms him but after seeing it and playing 20 questions with the mod i had a really really similar reaction as a50; my role benefits from getting motivated so i kinda thought it was in the game to either help me out or to inadvertantly help scum; i think it's too powerful as a groupscum role (i could see it maybe working as a traitor who didn't know their partners were or something)

[skitter30]

@chara i kinda want varsoon to be a couple of slots higher (maybe after implosion). and also elbirn maybe.

i'm also starting to get paranoid of you again

[skitter30]

@a50: i'm fine with bef motivating you or me, i don't really care. i don't trust varsoon or implosion enough rn to accurately report what happened

[skitter30]

mcqueen
implosion
Varsoon
Persivul
Elbirn
Fish
Almost50
Chara
skitter

i like this a little better but i won't quibble too much over it

[skitter30]

i kinda think implosion's posts on this page are townie tbh

[skitter30]

i think i'm fine with you leaving it until tomorrow

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yeah but he's going to (attempt to) prove it today on me or a50

@a50 maybe we should wait til massclaim is over but you can pick who he motivates, i don't care that much

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yeah but i want me/a50
a50 wants me/him/varsoon/implosion

i don't think he'd have bef motivate varsoon/implosion if i don't want them to be motivated

i'm saying within me/a50 i don't care, and you/me/a50 all think that both of us are town

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@a50:
i will consult your reads and am willing to consider the notion of town!implosion but i can't promsie i'll never go after him if i still think he's scum in a dayphase or two

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@a50:
i will consult your reads and am willing to consider the notion of town!implosion but i can't promsie i'll never go after him if i still think he's scum in a dayphase or two

Remember the game with RC? Remember how implosion (and PP) were SRing me right off the bat? That's exactly what happens all the time, so it makes perfect sense for implosion to use that Cop shot on me from my PoV. Scum!him would have NOT cleared me. He could have claimed to have targeted just about anyone else (like Varsoon, who has already claimed a Commuter TODAY, but he didn't before, so implosion would have been justified to target him and have wasted the investigation shot).

Motives, my friend. Motives, alternative options, playstyle (meta), and MECHANICS are my tools to scum hunt, and my analysis says implosion is as Town as you and BEF are.

ehhhhhhhhhhh
i see where you're coming from
i have trouble absolving myself of my reads and just being ok sheeping people tho
how about this - i'll listen to this for the next couple of dayphases but if i'm in 5 or 3way lylo with him i re-evaluate

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However, I'm not going to abandon the game; I'm going to start participating again. Any direct concerns for me at the moment other than my activity?

we're massclaiming and you get to go first

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UNVOTE:
Wait shit didn't Percivul claim something that made them conf-town?

what did he claim that makes him conf-town?

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if people are townreading elbirn can you explain why please?

i've realized that my main reason for townreading him is from one specific post he made (that i'll say a bit later if people want me to) and i'm not sure it's worth a townread like two dayphases later

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can you explain why you think it's a fake-claim?
i actually think it makes some amount of sense balance-wise (from what i see of the setup at least)

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i'm not really hedging, i basically lost it ~eod2 during this interaction: viewtopic.php?p=10715385#p10715385

only reason why it's not good is cuz of one good post you made day1 that i'll point out later

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*not gone

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i disliked how he started building towards shading me in 1240 and 1241 and then dropped it a few posts later when i just said the same thing that i'd already said a few times; i hadn't really added much perspective there so i'm not sure really why he changed his mind again.

i don't really care that he was losing his townread on me, my problem is more that i don't entirely understand his transition from shading to town again

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persivul i personally think tonight that you should check in {varsoon/mcqueen/papa zito if he doesn't get lynched}
i guess maybe implosion too but i'd prioritize these people ^^^

i was also underhandedly trying to tell implosion who i thought he should check but i'm not sure that message got across so yeah

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so the fact that everyone (including the people in the poe like varsoon and persivul) think there's at least one scum in mcqueen/implosion is beginning to worry me

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@a50 assuming that the fruit vendor is loyal is a bit of a stretch for me tbh
maybe we should just hold off on the setup spec and the veracity of persivul's role till we've done the massclaim thing

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i'm not really hedging, i basically lost it ~eod2 during this interaction: viewtopic.php?p=10715385#p10715385

only reason why it's not good is cuz of one good post you made day1 that i'll point out later

Me being irrationally pissy at a townread not doing what I want followed by feeling bad and trying to act diplomatically is peak elbirn

And you might have repeated yourself ad nauseam, and you may feel confused because you didnt tell me anything you didnt already say, but you didnt tell me in a direct conversation with me, and that's how you get shit to stick with me.

i mean ok i guess
i can understand this i suppose
still felt kinda wrong to me tho