In post 8733, Xtoxm wrote:BEF walking into a 1v1 that conf deaths him within 2 days seems less likely to come from scum
As Jingle observed, it's safe to say that BEF was not aware he was walking into a mechanical 1v1 as either alignment -- if he was town he would have claimed as soon as our slot claimed Town Grifter (referred to by everyone as 'activate' lately), if he was scum it makes little sense for him to create this 1v1.
I have been trying to eliminate the possibility that this is somehow an NAR issue and that it's T/T, given BEF struck me as very townie in the way he claimed, however most options still come back to "one of the two has to be lying." If the sticky fruit could travel to multiple people in one night, that would mean he was lying about his role card afaik.
I have confirmed from Boon that profii could in fact target PP with sticky fruit and Creature with Loud the same night without multitasking, so there's no convenient scumclaim there that would settle this.
It would help if Creature actually confirmed whether or not he got the loud so that we could confirm that theory 2 is a real possibility.
Theory 1: Profii sent the sticky fruit to TLK and lied about it to implicate TLK and create a very confusing mechanical quasi 1v1 d2. Weird play as scum.
Theory 2: BEF sent the sticky fruit to Profii n1, then had S_S jail Profii n2, while sending the sticky fruit to TLK, thus generating a mechanical 1v1 between the supersaint and the variant role inventor.
Theory 3: There is some other explanation.
The problem with theory 3 is that, if the sticky fruit can only travel to one person each night as the role card on page 1 suggests, then I don't see how BEF is not lying about his rolecard for it to somehow end up at TLK. If BEF is a 'variant sticky fruit vendor' then he is lying about being a normal sticky fruit vendor.
Theory 4: Mod/human error.
No idea how to play around this, but we did get TLK to confirm his statements multiple times, and I feel like if Boon had actually made a mistake he would have said so real life weeks ago. I will say that I have asked the duck a couple questions about this, and his answers have on one key point actually differed from Boon's, so I don't think the mechanics of everything here is super obvious. (The duck was not aware that Profii could vend the sticky fruit to one person and still target creature with a separate night action without multitasking; boon said he could. Still not enough to make me think mod error, though, given boon's response matches profii's description of his choices at night.)
My top priority since this began has been eliminating the possibilty that Profii and BEF are both T/T and that this is not actually a true mechanical 1v1, but so far I see now way that is possible given the information we have at hand.
I have tried to eliminate the following risks:
-One of the three variant/boon roles is not a variant/boon role. As far as I can tell, all three must be variant/boon roles so a redirector cannot exist.
-The sticky fruit did not act as we expected. I don't see how this is possible; if the sticky fruit travels to each person who is targeting someone else, then it should have ended up on PenguinPower night 1. Profii has confirmed he still had the sticky fruit night 2.
-BEF did not understand his role. We have talked to BEF about his role at length at this point and I don't see how this is a possibility.
I keep trying to find something that makes this not a 1v1 and I keep coming up short. This is leaving me to conclude that either Theory 1 or Theory 2 is the most likely to be the case and this is an actual 1v1.
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