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Post Post #9  (isolation #0)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:05 am

VOTE: Screamingnoodle Gonna put the pressure on someone who's confirmed while I'm waiting for the inactives.

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Post Post #10  (isolation #1)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:08 am

EbWoP: confirmed their role PM.

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Post Post #12  (isolation #2)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:07 am

Given this is my first game, I'm not very sure what constitutes as standard, especially during RVS.

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Post Post #15  (isolation #3)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:17 am

1 post is not enough to scumread anyone. Best to let the game develop in RVS for now I guess

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Post Post #16  (isolation #4)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:41 am

In post 13, GuiltyLion wrote:no worries, there's not really a "standard" and people will have different opinions on how to interpret things. if you're town don't sweat it, I'll likely come around on you if you stay engaged. early game you kinda just have to start with small things and see where it leads, to me voting you for a non-random reason is incrementally better than voting a slot randomly


You're right. May change vote to Muh due to "voting for salt" (better than voting a random slot)

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Post Post #91  (isolation #5)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:25 pm

Hi, my school blocks Mafia and I had to sleep, so I wasn't on for a while.

I will read through and give thoughts.

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Post Post #95  (isolation #6)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:37 pm

@screaming wait did you just OMGUS me

thoughts: TTTT is probably town tunneling too hard at the beginning. See Newbie 1912 where Enter pushed Loopdan for a D1 lynch. Somewhere between Null & Town Lean

CsBlastoise is Town Lean for trying not to push town too hard at the beginning.

@Thespio what makes you think people are trying to lynch me? Two of the three on my wagon are applying pressure and the other is OMGUSing(?)

@Screaming an OMGUS is usually indicative of scum, though I won't scumread you off of that.

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Post Post #98  (isolation #7)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:42 pm

Muh and saint are lurking. Their wagons are empty right now (if I'm wrong, the wagons have at most 1 vote). For scum that doesn't want to be killed, this seems to be optimal D1. And for people who think I'm scum: Consider I've helped advanced the gamestate (albeit mostly indirectly). Scum would lurk like Muh and Saint are. They are in no danger of a D1 lynch. It may be early to say this, but Saint is my first scumread

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Post Post #100  (isolation #8)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:47 pm

US Pacific, UTC-8. Will be on during afternoons.

PEdit:

I did not see the Modpost until after I posted.

Also, I don't have much experience, I just stumbled upon the wiki one day and started reading through. Of course, to get experience you have to play (which I haven't done before).

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Post Post #105  (isolation #9)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:11 pm

In post 54, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 16, chennisden wrote:May change vote to Muh due to "voting for salt"


do you think scum is more likely to "vote for salt" than town?


You're right, RVS is a bad way to scumread. I'll wait for more content before I can really say who scum is.

In post 56, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 32, Thespio wrote:
In post 30, TTTT wrote:bc it's the only way to kill scum

Its also a good way to kill town.


good point, better not vote or lynch anybody then I guess :roll:

If you're town, you should probably cut the sarcasm. It'll only make scum happy.

And I need to keep a note of this because this is the first scummy thing I've seen a person I consider towny to do. This isn't very substantive yet, but good to remember.

In post 73, CsBlastoise wrote:
In post 62, TTTT wrote:@CsBlastoise
I know it's early
but if you had to pick one scum right now
who it be?
Too soon to say.

In post 64, Thespio wrote:
In post 56, GuiltyLion wrote:good point, better not vote or lynch anybody then I gues


Im not saying lets no vote, im saying lets not lynch someone 1 day into the game after a very newbie set of posts.
Yeah, we need more than five one-liners, one of which was an EBWOP, to justify a lynch on anyone. That being said, if chen doesn't add much soon, a case could be made for lurking.

In post 70, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 66, CsBlastoise wrote:Thank you for pointing out the possibility that Thespio's actions could be scummy. I think the main part of it I agree with is not so much that TTTT is trying to push something, but that the things TTTT may be pointing out might just be "newbies trying to learn to play."


but how can you agree on this when you don't know what "things" TTTT is pointing out or why he thinks they're scummy? You asked him if he found chen scummy and he said yes, but then you decided not to follow up, that's what I'm trying to understand. …
Maybe a better way to respond to TTTT would have been, "Well, I think it looks more like newbie behavior than scum behavior, but, knowing that you have more experience than I do, I would not be surprised if you picked up on something I may not have." But yes, now I'm realizing that I should ask @TTTT, just what is it in Chen's minimal content that you find scummy?

In post 70, GuiltyLion also wrote:And you agreed with Thespio who seemed to be more against the idea of pressuring chendennis for what he's posted at all.

In post 66, CsBlastoise wrote:That being said, I do think we should investigate chen more, particularly by asking him directly for input and getting some participation from him — I mean, come on, he's only got five posts so far, and each one was only one line long (not counting the quote in one of them).

maybe I'm being unfair here, but if you want to ask him for input/participation, why not do that yourself?
Sure.
@Chennisden, what do you have to say about these reads on you? Anything you have to say for yourself?

In post 46, Thespio wrote:
In post 45, TTTT wrote:(even though Thespio seems to want to sell that narrative)
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Im not trying to sell anything, you are saying he is newb scum, im teasing you because it seems silly to jump on a newbie for their first couple posts, but to solve this...

@Chen what is you background in mafia games?


About these reads: TTTT seems to be the head of my wagon (though he is advising not to lynch, not even the most beginner of scum would say "yes lynch" on D1). Given he scumread me off of basically nothing, something tells me he's trying to get me killed while trying not to look like he's getting me killed. Of course there isn't that much to go off of, but rn my strongest scumread is TTTT.

And my background in mafia games - I've read 2 or 3 games to completion, including one with Thespio and Loopdan (though I won't be able to meta well, two birds with one stone right?). However, this is my first time playing.

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@Guilty yes I am aware TTTT=Loopdan. I'm not sure if he wanted it to be kept secret-ish (though on second thought he literally reveals).

And I looked at 1912 because TTTT and Thespio were in the same game and it was recent. Considering that 1912 was the only time Thespio rolled scum, it was in my opinion the most informative to read.

At this point I think hard tunneling is scum. Though I'm not very confident on TTTT scum, I do want to note that saying "don't lynch someone in <24 hrs" doesn't make him town. Even the most stupid scum wouldn't say "Hey let's kill town D1," and given TTTT is experienced he may have thought it good to establish towncred early.

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Post Post #106  (isolation #10)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:12 pm

And as for the lurking, you're right - hypocritical of me to say that after not posting in a 16 hr timespan. But I think I was sorta right given Saint had to replace.

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Post Post #107  (isolation #11)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:25 pm

Reads organized because mine are currently scattered:

TTTT: Slight scumlean

Screaming: basically null. one OMGUS but can be explained by 1) RVS 2) newness

Thespio: Weird case here, he has some incredibly townish behavior but some really weird scum behavior (such as, if he is scum, buddying). I will give thoughts. Since he's experienced I don't think he'd be a newbscum inconsistently playing. I have some thoughts about his role, but don't want to share them yet. Slight Town-lean (though this is subject to change). Keep in mind role not alignment

GL: Town-lean. Goes without explanation. He is simply advancing town meta.

Blastoise: I am not going to Conf-town anyone in <24 hrs. But he's the closest.

everyone else: null.

I would vote TTTT, but if he's town I don't want scum to be able to theoretically decide to hammer him if they have to. Putting anyone at L-2 is bad (but I think TTTT is scummy so scum can't completely hammer me.)

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Post Post #108  (isolation #12)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:29 pm

This vote is not going to be putting any pressure.

UNVOTE:

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Post Post #112  (isolation #13)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:35 pm

1912 was the only game I read after the 1917 thread started.

And iirc Thespio claimed somewhere it was his only scumgame

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Post Post #114  (isolation #14)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:41 pm

In post 109, GuiltyLion wrote:hmmmmm

I'm not sure I totally buy this. 1912 is indeed a relevant game to look at, it has 3 players from this game in it, one of which was scum. So it's plausible an eager newbie town would decide to look through that game.

At the same time, the conclusion you reached from it feels quite shoehorned/surface level, you've since reversed it completely, and I have this crazy conspiracy theory that Thespio told you to bring up that game in your scum PT. there's something off about the fact that you are aware and commenting that it's Thespio's only scumgame. feels coached. You don't claim to have read any of my scum games or TTTT's scum games. Or even NMSA's scumgame which was also brought up in this thread.

but I don't wanna go too buckwild with D1 assumptions so I'm gonna sit on this and see what the less active slots wanna do. Did you notice Thespio ignored your question?

also, perhaps more significantly, I thought you were townreading TTTT. how did you go from this:
In post 95, chennisden wrote:thoughts: TTTT is probably town tunneling too hard at the beginning. See Newbie 1912 where Enter pushed Loopdan for a D1 lynch. Somewhere between Null & Town Lean

to this:
In post 105, chennisden wrote:Given he scumread me off of basically nothing, something tells me he's trying to get me killed while trying not to look like he's getting me killed. Of course there isn't that much to go off of, but rn my strongest scumread is TTTT.


I was confusing some of your actions with TTTT since your initial play was very similar. And my strongest scumread is a slight one.

Yet given he knows how bad applying early pressure is (it got Townie AND PR killed), it seems he's doing this on purpose.

I need to look at Thespio deeper. He seems like he's buddying if he's Mafia

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Post Post #116  (isolation #15)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:09 pm

An "OMGUS" is when you vote for someone after they voted for you. Given that it was RVS, your OMGUS wouldn't have meant much if it didn't mean Mafia can lynch me at any time (presuming everyone on my wagon is Town).

And yeah I just picked a random name to vote for. Looking back there were better people to vote for, but hindsight 20/20

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Post Post #117  (isolation #16)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:15 pm

Since you seem to be null and nobody is voting you anyway, I've taken my vote off you since it won't do anything

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Post Post #119  (isolation #17)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:21 pm

I don't want TTTT lynched so soon, but I do want him to get some pressure

Hope he can explain why I've been scumread off of a bunch of one-liners

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Post Post #123  (isolation #18)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:43 pm

@TTTT

"occupation: Loopdan's alt"

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Post Post #126  (isolation #19)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:46 pm

I looked through a game including you before this one started. I checked your profile and was surprised to learn you are Loop.

after 1912

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Post Post #129  (isolation #20)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:49 pm

1915: africa

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Post Post #132  (isolation #21)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:54 pm

I'm going to read Thespio's ISO and TTTT's ISO. Rn I am being more and more convinced that TTTT is scum.

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Post Post #134  (isolation #22)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:59 pm

Reading your ISO, I think I need to engage GL a little more. It would be really sad if he gets away with lynching me (if he's mafia) and you get all the flak for it (if you're the town).

And what doesn't add up?

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Post Post #135  (isolation #23)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:00 pm

rn reading through your ISO

you're making a lot of claims, but they aren't really backed up by lots of information. Some quotes seem intentionally vague. TTTT, you are my scumread.

When GL comes back, I'll ask him some questions. If I don't like his answers, I will hop on his wagon for pressure.

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Post Post #136  (isolation #24)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:02 pm

wait shoot i should read what i said

i think i was backwards-justifying why I looked at 1912.

regardless i just forgot.

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Post Post #139  (isolation #25)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:26 pm

are you bussing your scumbuddy?

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Post Post #140  (isolation #26)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:11 pm

New read on TTTT: Scum.

He's making his stuff hard to understand to town. He has no real reason to scumread me.

Literally his only evidence is me forgetting something. Yet he's acting very scummy - posting stuff with little explanation, most of stuff he posts is sarcastic, etc.

But I think TTTT has a point with Muh. If others think this is TvT, I think we gotta go for Muh.

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Post Post #143  (isolation #27)  » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:09 pm

I think you're saying Muh's inactivity is scummy.

And here's why I agree:

Let's say I get lynched. Well, I know I'll flip town. This is not good for Town.

Let's say you get lynched. If you're town (from your POV you are ConfTown) this is bad.

And inactive/lurking scum wouldn't have to do anything for it!

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Post Post #148  (isolation #28)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:24 am

At this point I think me/TTTT have given each other enough info to justify trying to pressure others.

And are you srsly scumreading me for scumreading you

Anyway, we gotta put some pressure on Muh. If he's not scum he'll prove it through his statements.

VOTE: muh316

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Post Post #149  (isolation #29)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:26 am

To be clear, I have no intent to Lynch him whatsoever as of the moment. Just want him to give some info. If he's town he can help us catch scum. If he's scum we can hope he slips.

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Post Post #155  (isolation #30)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:52 am

ill be on fir a little, im on mobile.

TTTT my vote was never on you. I dont want to OMGUS you.

I will take a look at your ISO

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Post Post #158  (isolation #31)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:57 am

In post 26, TTTT wrote:
In post 19, Thespio wrote:VOTE: Guilty Lion for teasing a newbie :p hello guys


I'm gonna ask you more about this vote later
plz remind me

In post 29, TTTT wrote:
In post 23, CsBlastoise wrote:VOTE: Thespio for having a Sabertooth mage as his avatar.

Kidding, Sabertooth's fine. UNVOTE: .
Also, you guys seem to be taking RVS unexpectedly seriously.


this is awkward too

In post 33, TTTT wrote:
In post 32, Thespio wrote:
In post 30, TTTT wrote:bc it's the only way to kill scum

Its also a good way to kill town.


if you wanna make an omelette...

In post 141, TTTT wrote:man you are all over the place


This kind of content in the beginning of the game. This is at first glance

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Post Post #159  (isolation #32)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:00 am

Saint has requested a replacement, lets pressure the replacement when they get here.

I am willing to believe that Town TTTT may have just forgotten I never voted him. Look through my ISO for proof, TTTT

TTTT, I want to pressure everyone who isn't you right now. Then I will reevaulate my scumthoughts,

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Post Post #168  (isolation #33)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:20 am

i dont think scummuh is likely, but i want to put pressure on him. im just saying itd be stupid if we didnt pressure him at all

TTTT you arent confscum in my eyes and i dont want to put you at L-2. assuming youre town and the other 2 on your wagon are town, scum could hammer you whenever they felt like. at the end of D1 they just have to make the excuse gotta lynch someone and theyll slip.

and for those who think my logic being bad makes me scum, it doesnt. its me being bad town (i am a little ill rn so my brain is not functioning as well as id hope)

yes I agree with TTTT, if I get lynched for poor play its a sign i need to get better.

and we should pressure NotMySpamAccount afterwards too

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Post Post #175  (isolation #34)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:32 am

I assumed he was lurking on purpose so nobody would scumread him. But now I see it's not the case.

UNVOTE: Muh
@TTTT I agree that we (newbies) should jump in the game and offer their thoughts instead of lurking

shoot i did not mean to put words in your mouth

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Post Post #186  (isolation #35)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:55 am

@screaming woah please don't advocate for a lynch way before deadline

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Post Post #188  (isolation #36)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:08 am

Cs I think you're town, but if you're scum damn you are doing good. Nobody has suspected you at all.

I find it problematic though you have no reads, etc

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Post Post #204  (isolation #37)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:59 pm

TTTT, I've answered you on #140 I think

@GL what makes you think thespio is scum

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Post Post #205  (isolation #38)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:04 pm

In post 189, TTTT wrote:@chenn
can you explain your TR on CsBlast?

Will read through Cs ISO and give you an answer

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Post Post #206  (isolation #39)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:09 pm

I think the things he are saying are too helpful to be scum. If I rolled scum, I'd lurk for a good portion of the beginning to avoid fire and try to give bad points to subtly push a mislynch. If he was scum he could easily mislynch me, but he decided to do the opposite and not get my lynched. That's fundamentally why Cs isn't scum.

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Post Post #207  (isolation #40)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:09 pm

He also doesn't want to push the inactives and let them get a good impression of the game in case early pressure causes them to mess up.

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Post Post #211  (isolation #41)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:30 pm

@Screaming pressuring everyone is something that needs to be done. I agree with Cs, we had to start somewhere (though I would've preferred we pressured some scum instead)

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Post Post #214  (isolation #42)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:52 pm

@URAP

Why do you think GL/TTTT/Thespio are town? And why do you think I'm scum?

Also, what is that townread on NMSA? Has NSMA req'd a replacement?

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Post Post #223  (isolation #43)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:34 pm

In post 216, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 88, Thespio wrote:
Right now, reguardless of our disagreement on NAI early newbie posts, here is my list Town>Scum

CS>TTTT>GuiltyLion

but i cant add anyone else because no one else is posting.

Does this post even mean anything? I don't know who he is town reading/scum reading from this..

I think it's pretty clear. He's ordering people in order of towniness. He meant that CS is more towny than TTTT who is more towny than GL.

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Post Post #240  (isolation #44)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:51 pm

In post 236, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 194, GuiltyLion wrote:like I don't know if newbscum!Chen thinks to post 134, that just kinda vibes fundamentally honest paranoia about me. and then 136 doesn't feel like scum lying either. I think what was pinging me earlier may be just kinda awkwardness and trying to play "correctly" in a sense

chen has been desperately trying to argue that other slots should be engaged/pressured ever since getting scum read Lots of other slots. Any other slot. I think it's just transparently scum.


What kind of logic is this? Of course we should pressure >1 person for D1!

@URAP I had two votes on me, TTTT and GL. I am now at L-2.

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Post Post #241  (isolation #45)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:52 pm

"NSMA is more often town than scum"

Considering the probability of rolling town > the probability of rolling scum, I wonder why?

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Post Post #244  (isolation #46)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:59 pm

oops yes i am at 2 votes, forgot GL changed to Thes.

About #88 - though I do agree Thespio should clarify his reads again, we lynch off of who feels most scummy so its not as bad.

I recalled wrong about Thespio then. I do know it is his only scumgame, perhaps someone else claimed it. Regardless a meta argument is bad

as for #226, im new but not stupid. lurking would make me in the bottom of the scumreads, but I want to actually help town (because I'm town).

And I really think we should pressure some people, because what if scum isn't newb? There's 8 of you guys who could be scum. Rn we only have reads on 2 people, which isn't good.

@GL I will try to develop my own playstyle over time, rn I'm just trying things and hoping they work.

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Post Post #247  (isolation #47)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:15 pm

I know you aren't implying I'm stupid. I'm just saying that as mafia, would I really go out and be the center of attention instead of lurking? No newbscum would pull such a gambit, especially w/ coaching

And are you asking about the @GL section? I remember he said that I shouldn't worry about playing to some "norm," it was in response to that

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Post Post #248  (isolation #48)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:17 pm

urap, do you have any townreads?

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Post Post #250  (isolation #49)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:26 pm

what if no newbs rolled scum is my question

Given 4 SE's, that's not a bad chance.

Also friendly reminder NMSA is now EchoVision

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Post Post #251  (isolation #50)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:32 pm

oops echo replaced Saint not NSMA

Why do you townread NSMA? For one I think his lurking is a little scummy.

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Post Post #253  (isolation #51)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:46 pm

Yes, but NSMA should be a very very weak townread. I feel you and TTTT are towning him too hard on little evidence.

Regardless, when he gets on we'll have more info

Same for Echo.

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Post Post #255  (isolation #52)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:07 pm

i am at L-2, if someone puts me at L-1 rn they are confscum.

also NSMA sheeping is scummy but ill read you after you post more

if deadline approaches and you don't post more, i will think you're scummy

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Post Post #257  (isolation #53)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:17 pm

Do you guys have any reads on people who are not me?

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Post Post #269  (isolation #54)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:49 pm

get off your phone

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Post Post #276  (isolation #55)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:46 pm

coming tmrw, i need sleep.

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Post Post #281  (isolation #56)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:01 am

hold up buddy, you're acting really scummy rn

ill case u tmrw

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Post Post #283  (isolation #57)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:16 am

In post 279, EchoVision wrote:
In post 255, chennisden wrote:i am at L-2, if someone puts me at L-1 rn they are confscum.

also NSMA sheeping is scummy but ill read you after you post more

if deadline approaches and you don't post more, i will think you're scummy


i really wanna put you at l-1 just bc of this... we'll see where the rest of these posts go and maybe when i'm done reading we'll have some fun ;)

putting me at L-1 means i can get insta-hammered by scum (assuming both scum aint on my wagon), and i dont think we want to insta hammer me

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Post Post #284  (isolation #58)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:17 am

let me just say 279 is not ok

with that said i bid this game goodbye for tonight

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Post Post #288  (isolation #59)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:59 am

i think hes catching up.

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Post Post #289  (isolation #60)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:59 am

which explains his posts

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Post Post #290  (isolation #61)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:04 am

wait youre asking me

fuck i didnt read that

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Post Post #291  (isolation #62)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:06 am

Yes, my posting is meta; I have too much freetime on my hands

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Post Post #295  (isolation #63)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:58 am

NotMySpamAccount - mostly null due to few posts. If I had to say, I'd say scum. what little he's posted has given no info other than "chennis is scum"
Screamingnoodle - null due to few posts, but that "we gotta lynch someone" stands out to me.
CsBlastoise - town. he's trying to sort people.
EchoVision - scumlean. weak read due to towny or scummy possible intents. he filled a slot mostly inactive. the sheeping on one hand is irresponsible, but on the other hand could be him applying pressure when he figures out stuff.
chennisden - need i say?
Thespio - town. from his early actions, he could be town as a voice of reason or he could be scum buddying. later play (such as the scumread) discards the buddying, but he could be on my wagon to mislynch.
u r a person 2 - townlean because he did the same as Echo but felt more towny.
TTTT - town. my initial thoughts were scum but your sorting is much more towny than URAP's or Echo's (especially echo.)
GuiltyLion - town. he's actually trying to pressure and sort other people

i kinda group URAP,Echo,NMSA in the same group due to similar play.

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Post Post #296  (isolation #64)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:58 am

actually urap has contributed a lot given timespan, but hes a replacement so i think putting him in the same bucket is ok.

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Post Post #297  (isolation #65)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:00 am

in order of priority:

does anyone have any thoughts on,

Echo
Thespio
TTTT
NMSA
Cs
GL
URAP

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Post Post #301  (isolation #66)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:23 pm

i dont do meta.

not self hammering.

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Post Post #303  (isolation #67)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:42 pm

hello, peoples schedules are not 100 percent consistent

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Post Post #305  (isolation #68)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:47 pm

cool, but i dont have much to say rn

theres only one real thing to be said at L-1. i dont want to say it yet

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Post Post #311  (isolation #69)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:59 pm

I feel you should have a little better justification, Echo.

Even though I don't like meta, here goes some meta;

yeah this game is for fun, but dont wagon "for fun," wagon because you think im scum

@Thespio yes I find it very odd

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Post Post #312  (isolation #70)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:24 pm

GL where are you

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Post Post #316  (isolation #71)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:36 pm

how is someone at L-1 supposed to pressure 4 people? ? ? i chose you because your reasoning seems the least consistent AND you were the one to put me at L-1.

what this has to do with meta - look at ur last non-1917 post

i dont wanna ad hominem, but it rly looks like you're wagoning me just for the lols

and OF COURSE i'm attacking you for putting me at L-1. if someone has an intent to hammer, lets just hope i dont get NKed (if someone doesnt lol hammer me w/o claiming intent)

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Post Post #317  (isolation #72)  » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:36 pm

@urap happy on my wagon?

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Post Post #328  (isolation #73)  » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:36 am

I have the same question. Does scum have daychat?

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Post Post #329  (isolation #74)  » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:38 am

In post 323, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 322, NotMySpamAccount wrote:I don't know about anyone else, but the start of this just seems scummy for some reason. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth, can't tell why. Can anyone explain the last sentence? I can't quite understand what it means, it seems disconnected if you know what I mean. Also, sorry for the inactivity.

wow i am having serious deja vu here rn

we're just going to do this until i have more time to look at this game UNVOTE:

^town

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Post Post #333  (isolation #75)  » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:20 am

Answers to above:

1. I only had one scumread when I posted my reads list. I've changed my mind on Spam and think his posts seem scummy rather than NAI now, but that wasn't >1 read before.

2. 1 vote will do nothing

But since you asked so nicely,

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

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Post Post #334  (isolation #76)  » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:22 am

@urap this is my first game onsite, irl has no daychat so I didn't even think about it and forgot

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Post Post #337  (isolation #77)  » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:46 am

NMSA is trying not to look VI while giving no real information.

He tried the VI tactic last time as scum and it didn't work - of course he's not gonna try it again. His Sheeping is an easy way to "contribute" without contributing.

NMSA, I'll read through your ISO and ask for some explanations.

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Post Post #338  (isolation #78)  » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:49 am

In post 254, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
In post 202, u r a person 2 wrote:oh NMSA is probably town, too. Let's call it town lean because he's a smart guy and could probably improve dramatically from game 1 to game 2. i'll look more into that idea later

Not even done reading through the thread after my crazy workload from today but :))))))) also town!TTTT plus town!urap2 means an almost certain town win, and I'm reading them both that way (they're both playing the exact same way they did in 1915), so town chances don't look bad even if I'm forced to lurk all game from meatworld responsibilities.

In post 218, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 91, chennisden wrote:Hi, my school blocks Mafia and I had to sleep, so I wasn't on for a while.

I will read through and give thoughts.

It's stupid as all heck, but seriously, greeting the thread (esp in first posts, but later too I bet) comes from newb!scum way way more often than from newb!town

I agree here, it's basically how they caught me in 1915, which (to forestall argument) I will continue to cite constantly all game, since it's my only experience on here.

No time to respond to everything rn, but if I'm forced to continue lurking, I'm going to sheep urap and TTTT unless one flips scum, since my reads so far pretty much line up. Thus, VOTE: chennisden

why are you not taking responsibility for your reads? when i flip green you're gonna blame TTTT/Urap for pushing me

and if either of them flips red you don't have to take any responsibility for a bad push

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Post Post #339  (isolation #79)  » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:51 am

In post 293, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
In post 260, Thespio wrote:
In post 254, NotMySpamAccount wrote:, I'm going to sheep urap and TTTT unless one flips scum, since my reads so far pretty much line up.


Sheeping this early into the game, when there are people not posting. this ladies and gentlemen is called a scum tell.

Not scum, just crazy busy irl because of tests and other stuff, plus I trust those two to find scum cause I have nothing else to go on besides a scumlean on chennisden.


aside from the "obvscum," he doesn't want to share his other reads. this is because he doesnt want us to be able to tie him to his scumbuddy (see association analysis)

while still pushing for the easiest mislynch

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Post Post #340  (isolation #80)  » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:54 am

woah thats a short ISO

and its already really scummy

@NSMA can you explain why this is town? Can you give some reads? Your lack of participation seems scummy IMO, are you trying the polar opposite of the "overeager VI" persona?

@people on my wagon Can we please pressure NMSA to get some more info?

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Post Post #344  (isolation #81)  » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:20 pm

NMSA, im very tempted to townread you now since i assume you do/did competition math

you can be my BFF after this game

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Post Post #346  (isolation #82)  » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:27 pm

woah ur scumreading a lot of people (fine, I get you reading me, but thats a lot of people)

and i was joking about the townread, in my eyes you are still scum

I took 10B, was planning to do 12B but then decided not to

and ill be your BFF after - read AFTER

and just a thought i wont flip green because i dont think im flipping toDAY.

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Post Post #347  (isolation #83)  » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:32 pm

speaking of screaming, thespio, GL, where are you guys?

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Post Post #351  (isolation #84)  » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:10 pm

Micc, I think you meant to say 3 not voting.

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Post Post #363  (isolation #85)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:51 am

228 is NAI, just a sign of forgetfulness.

I think the most scummy I've been is #140. Why hasn't anyone pushed me on that harder? Because TTTT seems more town than others (NMSA, and Screaming is a good point too)

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Post Post #364  (isolation #86)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:00 am

nmsa, screaming being scum is more likely than TTTT

agh this is wifom

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Post Post #433  (isolation #87)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:55 pm

In post 387, Screamingnoodle wrote:
In post 360, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 357, GuiltyLion wrote:(he could have faked that dumbtell)


sorry, she* could have faked that dumbtell

VOTE: screamingnoodle

I like this vote. She's mostly sitting on the sidelines, hasn't voted since RVS, and the "conspiracy theory" idea of TTTT/myself being buddies with chendennis still pings me as the stuff newbie scums think sounds like real scumhunting. And repeated sideline posting without actually doing anything game advancing feels to me like a better d1 scumtell than chen newbie posting a lot of hard to interpret weirdness

and we all missed this inconsistency on first go round:
In post 93, Screamingnoodle wrote:Though, I wont be changing my vote unless I have a reason to believe the person is not for team town.

In post 118, Screamingnoodle wrote:UNVOTE: Chan

In kind, returning the favor. Lol

But still no idea who to vote for. Looks like we are leaning TTTT, though. Idk



Sorry GL, you are really stretching here... the reason why I unvoted for Chen at the time was because of his argument for why he voted me. I was also extremely curious of all the back and forth beginning of the game that you were very much involved in.
All of the back and forth made me really question why I voted, and it was simply OMGUS as everyone stated; because there was no reason I had to vote for him at the beginning other than he voted for me. (Feel free to look through my ISO to be sure.)

I'd really like to address what other concerns you have for your scumread on me. Bring it.. I'm ready.
If there is anything I've been so far is honest with everyone. (Even through asking what OMGUS means... ) I honestly haven't a clue on where to go or what to do (read my ISO) and no.. I'm not faking it.
This is really my first game here. I'm starting to finally 'get' how this game goes again... (again it's been several years since I've played) so forgive me for being a little slow to the party. ;)


My "argument" was RVS.

holy poop I have a lot to read

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Post Post #434  (isolation #88)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:59 pm

Is noodle at L-2? If not I'm jumping, if she is I don't want to vote just yet.

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Post Post #437  (isolation #89)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:03 pm

I intend on voting for her when I case her a little more, let me read her ISO.

Rn she seems ultra scummy, that reverse OMGUS and lurking and not casing anyone AND giving no protown vibes or defense is really not making her look good.

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Post Post #438  (isolation #90)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:04 pm

I am a little afraid of a lolhammer to be honest

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Post Post #441  (isolation #91)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:10 pm

On mobile so cant quote conveniently, sry.

Screaming, how do you think youve been town telling?

I think youre scum because you havent read anyone except yourself. You have offered no real defense on L-2.

And you have no idea who to lynch probably because you are scum looking for an easy mislynch at this point.

VOTE: ScreamingNoodle

THIS IS L-1 PLEASE NO LOLHAMMERS.

Let her claim! And if she's town, let her give her input before she's lynched! (If shes scum said input might also be helpful.)

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Post Post #442  (isolation #92)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:11 pm

Side note: Congratulations on the kid turning 5!

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Post Post #455  (isolation #93)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:23 pm

In post 443, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 441, chennisden wrote:Let her claim! And if she's town, let her give her input before she's lynched! (If shes scum said input might also be helpful.)

Saying this for the second time this game, now bolded for emphasis

No one should claim anything until someone gives intent to hammer

im talking to prospective lolhammerers

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Post Post #457  (isolation #94)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:30 pm

GL, its true I might seem like an easy mislynch but tbh I think I am very fine with Noodle.

Thespio we wanna know your thoughts on hammering, she claimed VT which is either newbscum or town. (the unlikely situation is shes gambiting as scum)

and whoever said that there is at most 1 scum on the wagon, then that means there is at least 1 off

@thespio we once replaced the teachers desktop with a screenshot of it

but we KEPT the files and moved stuff so there were real and fake files

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Post Post #466  (isolation #95)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:38 pm

In post 447, u r a person 2 wrote:this wagon has a maximum of one scum on it given TTTT,GL,urap town bloc and echo vs chenn not being SvS

this is the quote

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Post Post #467  (isolation #96)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:39 pm

In post 426, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 422, Screamingnoodle wrote:I don't have an aversion to this at all... Have you seen my posts today? Yes, I guess I should be more on the offensive rather that the defensive. It's certainly a better strategy. I guess I just post the first thing that comes to my head and I tend to be on the defense as is my personality.
So I'll point fingers with no basis, and you can do the same and we are suppose to magically come to the same conclusion? Cool.


I feel you're misrepping here, or trying to make my argument look bad

it's not a simple matter of offensive/defensive, you can be active and involved without being too aggressive. I'd categorize it more as engaged/disengaged. Engaged people are proactively commenting on stuff, bringing new thoughts/ideas to the table, demonstrating that they are trying to generate information and using information they've gained to inform their reads. disengaged people are floating in the thread and not making an impact, don't seem to particularly care who gets voted/wagoned, don't seem to care if people disagree/ignore their posts. I would categorize your ISO so far as disengaged and would be surprised if you disagree with me.

also what makes you say "no basis". I've given reasons for nearly all of my votes/reads and put a lot of thought into many of my posts - yes oftentimes it is my interpretation and not grounded in 100% solid empirical fact, but it still constitutes a "basis" for where and why I'm pointing fingers.

also you didn't answer my question about what you think would actually constitute a "good" reason or actual "information" to vote/scumread someone.

i think im at L-1

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Post Post #469  (isolation #97)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:41 pm

i do not believe screaming is town. i strongly believe she is scum

but IN CASE she is town, let her give thoughts before we lynch, mkay

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Post Post #553  (isolation #98)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:21 pm

What the fuck was that lolhammer?

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Post Post #558  (isolation #99)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:24 pm

let me pm mod first.

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Post Post #559  (isolation #100)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:24 pm

let me pm mod first.

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Post Post #563  (isolation #101)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:27 pm

i want to know if i can say what role i am

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Post Post #568  (isolation #102)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:35 pm

well good luck Cs.

i think u should

rolecop TTTT or echo and nk URAP

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Post Post #570  (isolation #103)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:35 pm

FUCK WRONG THREAD

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Post Post #575  (isolation #104)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:36 pm

anyway, if you couldnt tell im scum....

fuck fuck fuck i didnt mean to post in this thread im retarded

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Post Post #582  (isolation #105)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:41 pm

lmao good one guys

scum is fucked, i already gave away my partner

were just going thru the motions. gg

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Post Post #586  (isolation #106)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:45 pm

Does anyone have any tips for my scumgame? Since we know I'm
1) scum
2) dead

please don't give me the advice to check if I've actually been killed, i already know that lmao

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Post Post #590  (isolation #107)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:47 pm

Thanks guys. I really enjoyed this game. I was so mad at myself when I didn't recognize the carbon copy of the 1915 gambit.

I am gonna go in the Newbie queue now

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Post Post #595  (isolation #108)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:50 pm

tbh i hope i roll scum again, scum is by far my fav role

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Post Post #605  (isolation #109)  » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:05 pm

scum is waaay harder to play than town

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Post Post #681  (isolation #110)  » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:35 pm

gg nerds

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Post Post #682  (isolation #111)  » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:36 pm

damn i need to lurk more as scum

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Post Post #685  (isolation #112)  » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:37 pm

ty URAP

dang i dont think i would've lost so bad if i read the gambit correctly. next time i wont claim mafia during twilight (i was actually thinking of pretending to be REALLY FRUSTRATED with your lynch since OMGUS you lynched tracker)

i think the tracker fakeclaim though for Row 1 is a little too powerful - wont be counterclaimed unless a Neapolitan would like to convince the entire town that they are Neap... which at worst case = they get NKed

also Thespio sorry for losing u the entire game

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Post Post #686  (isolation #113)  » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:40 pm

In post 664, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 19, Thespio wrote:hello guys

just sayin

greeting thread in first post is scum indicative

what makes you say that?

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Post Post #688  (isolation #114)  » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:11 pm

hmm given how often it happens id think scum would stop doing it

but ill take ur word for it


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