Open 750: Forest Fire (Game Over)

[Egix96]

First?

[Egix96]

Yay.

VOTE: rb

Not getting fooled by you again!

[Egix96]

should I do this thing
for this whole entire game?
Eastern sun rises

I vote no.

VOTE: Egix

L-2

Hello.

[Egix96]

I vote no.

Here comes an L-1
VOTE: egix who is caught scum
Thunder claps the trees

How can I be caught?
I am not even a scum.
Enjoy free treestump.

[Egix96]

VOTE: Persivul

Your two most recent votes have been naked sheep votes.
What's the deal with that?

[Egix96]

Yeah they are you fucking prick

But I'm not the one who put them there

Ass

Are you even fucking reading you illiterate shithead?

Dude, chill. I thought you were advising us to be civil back on Page 2?

[Egix96]

Slaxx towny. Maybe egix and tttt too. I'm OK with my vote rn, but milk is good wagon that I might switch to.

Why is 4Ts town for you? I think he's been being pretty opportunistic with his votes.

[Egix96]

that's a decent observation tbh

Shh, I wasn't asking you.

[Egix96]

Egix is town

Ehhhhhh. If I be honest, I don't think anything I've done so far this game is outside my scumrange. So I think you're towning me a bit too easily there.

[Egix96]

Okay, here's the way I see things. Slaxx is town. I read his iso again and his response to me was very town.
Vedith is leaning town.
TTTT is leaning town rn, but is still mainly null
rb and lovebird are leaning scum for lurking
Pers and buj are... complicated. I want one to flip if we get to the end of the day.

Do you think it's scummy for rb to go "more (name) votes pls" without actually putting forward a case? Or does he do that as town as well?

pedit @Persi: What do you take issue with in TMCK's recent posts? They feel towny to me.

[Egix96]

^ I would say no

[Egix96]

im ok with being a stump

milk is still scum btw

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

RB town then.

Really...

[Egix96]

VOTE: slaxx

Please don't do this, I know you're better than this.

VOTE: BuJ

Let's bag ourselves an arso.

[Egix96]

You can lynch me Egix but you won't shut me up.
I will not let the arsonists win another game of Forest Fire

Well, on the off chance that you are town...

Don't make the same mistake I made in Newb 1898. That is, don't become so fixated on not losing that you end up playing like crud and getting yourself lynched.

[Egix96]

You can lynch me Egix but you won't shut me up.
I will not let the arsonists win another game of Forest Fire

Well, on the off chance that you are town...

Don't make the same mistake I made in Newb 1898. That is, don't become so fixated on not losing that you end up playing like crud and getting yourself lynched.

I am playing perfectly fine though.
I am forced to defrnd myself because I'm being attscked. What I am fixated on is my conclusion that the wagon on you contained scum and that slaxx/milk was not TvT.

You are choosing to side with the wrong team.

Do you not think that someone on your wagon was scum?
Do you not see that slaxx is misrepresenting me?
Do you not see how he is blaming me for milk even though he's the one that hammered someone he knew was town?

I'm thinking that there might have been scum on my wagon in rb or Persi. Or maybe 4Ts? I doubt it was Slaxx as his play so far this game has been more in line with his towngame IMO.
I'll have to take a closer look at your interactions w/Slaxx to see if his argument is valid.
I actually have a tinfoil reason for why Slaxx might have hammered but I won't say it for now (if you're smart enough you might be able to see it )

I will say though, I am a bit bugged out by you saying "you are choosng to side with the wrong team" because it makes you seem to know that you v Slaxx is TvS.

[Egix96]

who's scum milk

i think vedith likely scum

Why do you think Vedith is scum? He seems towny to me so far.

[Egix96]

I'd like to apologize for my lack of effort
this game deserves better dammit!
I'll check back in 48 hours so make sure someone is at L-1 for me
preferably Buj
thanks!

lol

Anyway, here's where my head's at
I think there's one scum in (BuJ, Vedith, LB) and one scum in (rb, 4Ts, Persi)
i.e. no more than one in each group

[Egix96]

I'd like to apologize for my lack of effort
this game deserves better dammit!
I'll check back in 48 hours so make sure someone is at L-1 for me
preferably Buj
thanks!

lol

Anyway, here's where my head's at
I think there's one scum in (BuJ, Vedith, LB) and one scum in (rb, 4Ts, Persi)
i.e. no more than one in each group

Why those groups?

Who are your townreads?

The theory I had in mind was that there was likely one scum among the people who voted me near the beginning of the game, with the other scum staying off-wagon so as not to be associated with it.

I don't have a solid townread on anyone atm, but I would order my groupings like this:

(Ved > LB >> BuJ), (rb >> 4T > Persi)
Town -> Scum. >> denotes a greater difference than >.

[Egix96]

Please don't do this, I know you're better than this.

VOTE: BuJ

Let's bag ourselves an arso.

This looks like aiming for town credit on T v T argument with Slaxx being main focus at this point.
Egix has really hid under the rstar all game too.

I won't deny that I've really been phoning it in this game. I've been finding it hard to get into it since it started tbqh.

I've seen that you've asked me for a reads list, so gimme a couple hours and I'll get back to you

[Egix96]

BuJ: Throws unwarranted shade at Persi early on. I think that him characterising Milk v Slaxx as scum theatre is very shady. As I believe I've mentioned before, "You are choosing to side with the wrong team" really bugs me. But to be fair 296 does give me some pause. Scum lean.

Love: Most of her content involves quoting stuff and asking questions or saying "that's towny/scummy". I can see some original thoughts in posts such as 516 though. Slight town lean.

Persi: I find it a bit strange that he questioned Slaxx for voting me only after he'd voted me himself. His play here feels a bit different from my previous games with him. Not really anything specific I could point to though. Also I think him changing his mind about Slaxx D2 was a bit fishy. Slight scum lean. (Btw I'm not reading anything into his replacement request)

rb: His play in the early game felt reminiscent of my first game with him, where he was scum ("more x votes please" comes to mind) but since then. I do quite like the look of his D2 twilight posts though. Slight town lean.

4Ts: Their whole ISO has a lot of filler posts which is NAGL. I notice that they've started writing more in their posts this Day phase, which is a little bit better, but I haven't forgotten about their opportunistic-looking votes. Very slight scum lean.

Vedith: (FTR this is disregarding the FF claim) I still think that him having a sudden turnaround with regard to rb and TMCK was very odd but apart from that I find it hard to take issue with his posting. So yeah, slight town lean.

[Egix96]

Did you see that I claimed the Fireman?

I'm not CCing you.
I had seen your claim, but I was reading you irrespective of it because you were not yet confirmed unCCed.

[Egix96]

anyway going to work, i'll be prod dodging until people start lynching bujaber

also egix if you're town you are by far one of the worst people to be town with. this would be the second game i've seen you play where you take long periods of inactivity and upon return you just have some vague leans and no direction at all

you're practically a scum player regardless of alignment

What was the first? Crown of Misery?
Actually it might be Newbie 1911, is it that one?

I actually find that last sentence quite hurtful tbh. I'm not as experienced as you are.

[Egix96]

Oh wait maybe you mean in this game specifically, not in general
But still, yeah, remind me to apologise postgame

[Egix96]

actually idc about this game at this stage so i'll just be on if i can be bothered

Heh, now you know how I feel...

[Egix96]

Is it bad that I want to TR rb just because of how genuine his frustration feels

[Egix96]

Consider quitting the site. You're not fit to play a game where conflict and disagreement are fundamental elements.

Yyyyeah I think this is going a bit too far now
Just saying

[Egix96]

god can lovebird or persivul please return and CC vedith

re-reading his posts he's so fkn scummy

Whatever it is you're seeing in him, I'm really not seeing it...

[Egix96]

There's only one reason why scum wouldn't ignite and that's that they're sure they can get the mislynch they need.

Mmm, not necessarily.

I take it you think that scum!Cowbells is trying to lynch town!LB? I don't get how you can think that, based on how Day 3 went down, and if that is what you're thinking, why are you voting 4Ts instead of Cowbells?

[Egix96]

Lovebird had rb as "definitely town" prior to him self-voting, so her thinking that the self-vote was a scumclaim makes no sense IMO. Why did she post a bird gif after voting rb and not bother to interact with the others? Was it because she thought she'd won when she hadn't?

Also, 751 is horrible reasoning and 759 is just... no. Can't read that post without cringing at how obviously fake it is.

Even if she's somehow not scum and just irresponsible town, she mucked up big time.

[Egix96]

No I'm voting 4T because I'm not sure RC and lovebird are a team.

There are certainly some mild interactions between lovebird and Persivul where they disagree but without any hostility but that wouldn't really explain RC's posting yesterday nor would it explain the quickhammer from lovebird. They could have acted like they were sporting each other longer you know what I mean?

But basically we have to treat this like lylo and play a bit of a voting game.

The one constant is I can see 4T as scum.
I can see him as partners with anybody.
I can definitely see him as partners with RC.

But that doesn't mean RC is definitely guilty either.

Vedith thinking Percy wouldn't replace out is something I'm considering. I don't have any real experience with Persivul beyond our last game. And I was scum when he was town.

I don't think Cowbells and Love can be scum together either, because why would Cowbells be all like "I know that LB is scum because if she were town she'd have been lynched by now" virtually as soon as he was in the game?

I get that Cowbells is apparently a very good scum player (I have prior experience with him from another site, not sure if that counts for much though) so maybe I'm wrong in thinking that him making such a move is out of his range, but to me it seems like a -EV play because a) it sacrifices one-half of his team where he could perhaps more easily go for a lynch on town, and b) he gets much less towncred for bussing if he says he "knows" that she's scum.

Also, if you can see 4Ts as being partners with anybody, why can't he be partners with no one, ie. town?

[Egix96]

Egix you are sort of agreeing with me here.

Unless RC is trying to secure this with a masterful WIFOM move, lovebird-RC are not scum together.

If you believe so and you believe lovebird is scum, then 4T would be her partner, no?

I'm just going for the safer lynch while I get more time to decide on RC.

But yeah also I'm not as sure as you are that lovebird is scum. 60, maybe 70% sure but her being scum makes very little sense unless she is scum with RC. It's really quite messy.

Like from town!you POV it should be between me and 4T as partners for lovebird based on what you just said. So now you're worrying me because it's like you're looking for me to convince you to vote 4T so you don't seem overly eager.

Things that make me townread lovebird:
1. Her post in RVS wondering if she will win again. She won as scum last time. I could be wrong but my impression of her personality.. I don't think her ego is big enough to post such a cheeky post off as scum.

2. I'm quite confident that 4T is scum on based on his terribly low level of contribution and horrible votes on town wagons. Therefore if lovebird is scum that's her partner. In our last game she was able to kind of lurk because she had an active partner to cover for her and distract the game. I am not so sure she'd follow the same strategy if her partner is also lurking.

3. Feels kind of too easy after her crazy end of the day quickhammer and posting. I said that there was no such thing as too scummy to be scum about slaxx, and he flipped town. I may have said or at least thought the same about rb and he flipped town. People love painting themselves as scum apparently. I don't want to bet the game on 3rd time's the charm.

Yes, her buddy would be either you or 4Ts. But currently I'm more leaning towards it being you since you've started off this day voting away from her.

As for your numbered points:

1. This isn't something I would consider indicative. That's something anyone could say regardless of ego. Cheekiness is irrelevant IMO.

2. If she does have an active partner and that's what's allowing her to lurk, then it would have to be you though. So I think you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot there.

3. Heh, yeah. There must be something in the soil in this forest that's making all the trees act scummy. In my case, it's been making me lurk out the game

[Egix96]

I can go ahead and vote LB now if you want.

pedith: bah.

[Egix96]

pedith? wut. Vedith pedit!

[Egix96]

Go ahead Mr. votes RC over vigg/actual scum

You didn't have to remind me of that

VOTE: Lovebird

[Egix96]

I was Scum with BuJ

Fuuuuuuuuck

[Egix96]

Hmm, so either we have scum!Cowbells who decided to go for the hardmode path to victory, or we have scum!BuJ who voted 4Ts (IIRC on two separate occasions) despite having primed him. Either way there's a lot of WIFOM involved so this will be a tough choice for me.

[Egix96]

Yeah nevermind what kind of townie gets to L-1 in day 1 and then doesn't go on a crusade on the people who quickvoted him. I'm the one who was bringing it up to him. He was worried about making waves.

It's because I'm not that type of player. I'm not going to "go on a crusade" against a bunch of people just for them wagoning me. That's just stupid imo.

Also you saying I was "worried about making waves" is just . If you're scum, you bringing it up to me could have been manipulative.

[Egix96]

Really? So you're telling me it's not suspicious to you that you get put at L-1 within like .. a few posts?

By going on a crusade I meant finding scum within that wagon. You didn't seem that invested in that. I'm not even sure you were even worried about being lynched. You displayed kung-fu master levels of calm there.

- I thought it was just because I wasn't posting at the time. Like they thought I was being too quiet.

- NGL I was fearing that I would end up getting lynched D1. But I realised it wouldn't be the end of the world so I was able to just about maintain my composure. Scum!Egix would have been sweating buckets right there.

[Egix96]

VOTE: BuJaber

[Egix96]

why did you take a middle ground position today when you locktowned me yesterday

Because 4Ts dying made me feel less sure about BuJ.

[Egix96]

There's only one reason why scum wouldn't ignite and that's that they're sure they can get the mislynch they need.

VOTE: TTTT

No I'm voting 4T because I'm not sure RC and lovebird are a team.

There are certainly some mild interactions between lovebird and Persivul where they disagree but without any hostility but that wouldn't really explain RC's posting yesterday nor would it explain the quickhammer from lovebird. They could have acted like they were sporting each other longer you know what I mean?

But basically we have to treat this like lylo and play a bit of a voting game.

The one constant is I can see 4T as scum.
I can see him as partners with anybody.
I can definitely see him as partners with RC.

But that doesn't mean RC is definitely guilty either.

Vedith thinking Percy wouldn't replace out is something I'm considering. I don't have any real experience with Persivul beyond our last game. And I was scum when he was town.

^ Because of this. I thought that scum!BuJ wouldn't have done this if 4Ts had been doused, but now I know that he obviously did do it. The madman!

[Egix96]

Wait WUT

[Egix96]

I'm dumb

pedit: Fucxk, town loses.

[Egix96]

Yeah I better admit this so you don't get too angry

I was arso

[Egix96]

MU game was a blip yeah

It was my first time playing on that site, so I was a bit out of my depth admittedly

pedit:

[Egix96]

Ok....

You realize that TTTT lynch yesterday ends the game so it doesn't matter...

And yeah this was a major miscalculation on my part.

walter_white_you_got_me.gif

[Egix96]

^ No need to be sorry tbh

[Egix96]

Arsonists (Mafia), let me know if you are both OK with me releasing the Mafia PT. Let me also know if you want me to release it but make redaction(s) first. If there are no objections from either of you, then I will release the Mafia PT in (expired on 2019-03-10 15:15:00). If you both agree, I can also release the Mafia PT before that deadline.

I'm cool with it. Dunno what LB thinks though so you should make sure she's aware.

[Egix96]

Please remove tree stumps from the setup in the future.
4T said he wanted to be stumped and I think it's very likely we get another person wanting to try it too.

It's supposed to buff town but it's doing the opposite.

I think the stump mechanic is okay actually, it's just that certain people in this game were abusing it.
So no, I wouldn't say that stumps should be removed, rather that people should be told in the rules that they mustn't try to get stumped on purpose. Because that's just not cool, maaaaan.