Open 750: Forest Fire (Game Over)

[themilkcartonkid]

VOTE: rb first post didnt have a vote and I think they are all too aware of it. Also something something scum always vote each other rvs

[themilkcartonkid]

This game will be a minor inconvenience.

VOTE: lovebird

Better safe than sorry

Why?

[themilkcartonkid]

Voting lovebird because

I'm

disrespectful?

VOTE: bujaber

"Better safe than sorry" is the reason for the vote. Pretty self-explanatory. I therefore assumed that milk is asking why I said the top part, not why I voted lovebird.

You assumed correctly

[themilkcartonkid]

Wow we worked out a misunderstanding through civil discourse.

This bodes well.

When you couldn't do that...what alignments were each of you?

To me, nasty 1v1s are usually both towns

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm not a particularly BM player but I do think scum can hide better in a certain level of civility just like they can in an overabundance of hostility

[themilkcartonkid]

To me, nasty 1v1s are usually both towns

Agreed, and if that was the case with these two...what's different now?

It's still rvs and civility is the rule rather than the exception, it's just a matter of who is keeping it civil for the sake of enjoy ability and who is keeping it for the sake of not pissing anyone off. I should also clarify, I think that civility is better for town to get reads and be reasonable. Hostile 1v1s are usually town, but usually bad for town overall

[themilkcartonkid]

This is unproductive imo bc I dont see acumen in the previous exchange, have we not heard from anyone?

[themilkcartonkid]

*scum not acumen

[themilkcartonkid]

I am 100% for pressure, but there isn't any real pressure here. What question or incident is being responded to here? If anything, we need to pressure slaxx or rb for their weird psuedo serious votes

[themilkcartonkid]

VOTE: Egix

5/5 on my read of you.

OK this is serious now, what's the reason?

This question needs to be answered and applies to rb as well

[themilkcartonkid]

They were 100% seeing where the pressure went, this makes no sense as a scumhunting vote. You are also ignoring sheep by this vote and this is super scummy VOTE: slaxx

[themilkcartonkid]

VOTE: slaxx

Why?

[themilkcartonkid]

what do you mean by "ignoring sheep"
and how is that super scummy?

He accused me of not pressuring you and persivul while simultaneously not pressuring them either. That's called throwing shade.

[themilkcartonkid]

I am 100% for pressure, but there isn't any real pressure here. What question or incident is being responded to here? If anything, we need to pressure slaxx or rb for their weird psuedo serious votes

This feels kinda LAMIST to me.

But also 5 votes on the first real wagon on the game.. that's gotta have scum on it. Like almost every game I play the first wagon that starts to look serious disappears later and someone else becomes the day 1 lynch so it's a safe vote for scum to park on.

There you go.. congratulations anyone who didn't vote for egix or is not milk.. you're town by PoE.

VOTE: Milk

Can you explain how this is lamest? Also, what do you think about RBS tone?

[themilkcartonkid]

Slaxx towny. Maybe egix and tttt too. I'm OK with my vote rn, but milk is good wagon that I might switch to.

Why is slaxx towny? Explain your read

[themilkcartonkid]

VOTE: Egix

5/5 on my read of you.

OK this is serious now, what's the reason?

This question needs to be answered and applies to rb as well

This is the post the pinged me. Pers and Milk were both trying to shift blame onto RB and I for the wagon while ignoring the people who just clapped on later. The difference between them is he also reiterated Pers’s question just a couple posts after Pers, which does little functionally for town except to put him on record that he too wanted the answer for the wagon, you know, to look better upon a town flip. Nothing about that post seemed genuine or has town utility but it has great scum posturing utility.

The vote on milk wasn’t about exclusively not pressuring the sheep, it was about trying to redistribute blame for the wagon in a shady way, that to me, looked a lot like someone posturing for a mislynch, thus the Egix unvote.

This was more scummy than the sheep votes, and thus I voted there. Could I have pressured the sheep on reasoning? Yeah. Because I didn’t do it and went after something more significant that caught my eye does that make me scum? Nope.

This is a made up reason. It 100%doesn't match up with the original post and if you cant see the town utility in backing up a good question (one of the few ones this game) then you aren't actually looking

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, the use of blame is really weird here. Like, we dont know that egix is town so... what do you know that we dont?

[themilkcartonkid]

The vote on milk wasn’t about exclusively not pressuring the sheep, it was about trying to redistribute blame for the wagon in a shady way, that to me, looked a lot like someone posturing for a mislynch, thus the Egix unvote.

You stated originally that the scummy thing is precisely that I was ignoring sheep, but here you say "well it was actually the WAY you did it" if you originally intended to communicate this then actually communicate it. Ymmine is the only reason you've given any reason and apparently the reason you gave isn't even your real reason

[themilkcartonkid]

Pressure vs blame, they are not the same

[themilkcartonkid]

Why do you think a wagon is worthy of blame?

Because it flips town.

Based off of how fast that formed, and how milk (and maybe you) reacted, I am working under the assumption that it flips town.

Wait... you think I was actually concerned about an l1 on page 3? Egix wasn't getting lynched, he was being pressured. But he wasn't actually being pressured to respond to anything. Reaction test, okay. It's pretty convenient, but I see what you could mean. But your case on me is made up because you're super hypocritical in several ways already pointed out by pers and I both

[themilkcartonkid]

Why do you think a wagon is worthy of blame?

Because it flips town.

Based off of how fast that formed, and how milk (and maybe you) reacted, I am working under the assumption that it flips town.

Wait... you think I was actually concerned about an l1 on page 3? Egix wasn't getting lynched, he was being pressured. But he wasn't actually being pressured to respond to anything. Reaction test, okay. It's pretty convenient, but I see what you could mean. But your case on me is made up because you're super hypocritical in several ways already pointed out by pers and I both

I'm not hypocritical, you just either have terrible reading comprehension or you're arguing in bad faith.

My gut is telling me door #2.

Dude, I cant read your mind. You. Have. To. Communicate. The first time. Your follow up could not be inferred from your initial post.

[themilkcartonkid]

A little off topic but maybe relevant

But I get why reaction tests could be labelled convenient retroactively

But given that I can read Egix easily and it was start of game it's a pretty expected and logical move to make

And ya know, you can't exactly say it up front, so.

What history do you have with him?

[themilkcartonkid]

UNVOTE: slaxx
This has been very productive

[themilkcartonkid]

Egix is town

Slax, do you have any other reads?

[themilkcartonkid]

Milk and Slaxx is scum theater.

I quoted TTTT to show it working.

What gives the impression of scum theater?

[themilkcartonkid]

Do I tr slaxx? I invited them sure, but do I really tr them? I dont think they tr me, they just didnt want a lolhammer

[themilkcartonkid]

*unvoted

[themilkcartonkid]

Nah, this is stupid. BuJ, you are better than this, give me some better reads.

[themilkcartonkid]

I think the problem is that people are making assumptions, which is okay. But then they make hard scumreads based on implications and assumptions instead of what was actually said and instead of asking forming or clarifying questions, they scumread irl townread first. The good thing about questions is that they pin people to positions, the problem is that people are able to paint a picture of what they meant after the fact.

[themilkcartonkid]

1. If it did not end with a townread there's no reason to stop pushing him/engaging him. You're not done sorting then. It's not like you waited and saw that the wagon was going nowhere and that people were voting others so you felt the need to stop wasting time on something the others won't join you in.

2. Yeah I'm sure he felt a lot of pressure there.. he was struggling for life at L-1 for days.. dayyyys.

3. Doesn't matter and you know it. I'm saying it felt like scum theater to me. You guys are not going to clone each others actions.

4. Not sure what difference this makes. End result is you laid off milk.

Number three, what do you mean by number 3?

[themilkcartonkid]

Number 3 clarification:
Slaxx said that he did not say it was productive like you did. But this whole argument is about me saying your interactions feel like scum theater. So I'm saying that if it is indeed scum theater then it's not likely that you two will copy each other exactly right? So it doesn't matter that he didn't do one of the things that you did for me to read it as scum theater.

So you're saying because it was a lynch and looked *tooooo perfect* it was theater? I would say that you should wait, if one of us flips scum at some point, THEN look for scum theater. Otherwise I could say that about slaxx and rb or pers and slaxx, or people will probably say it about you and me

[themilkcartonkid]

Wasn't a lynch

[themilkcartonkid]

This part is boring.

VOTE: vedith why is buj maybe town?

[themilkcartonkid]

The only problem is this only benefits YOU until I flip but it also looks like weak scumhunting. Save it for after a flip.

[themilkcartonkid]

Because I'm normally right.

This is not good enough

[themilkcartonkid]

Rb, say more.

[themilkcartonkid]

This is not good enough

Then I'm lost for words.

So you think buj is scum because you think they are scum?

[themilkcartonkid]

Except with town instead of scum

[themilkcartonkid]

Because I suck

[themilkcartonkid]

Except with town instead of scum

Exactly.
Why did you not care that I called Slaxx town?

Honestly I messed it

[themilkcartonkid]

Hot take: between pers, buj, slaxx I'm like 50% sure there is 1 scum and 100% sure there are NOT 2

[themilkcartonkid]

Having trouble with my IP address on my mobile? I don't know when that will be resolved, but I won't be as active because of it. However, I cannot sort the following:
rb
TTTT
Vedith
Love

THe rest are in a sudoku-esque solved tower and my strongest townlean is slaxx rn, but it's a weak townlean. can you guys focus on getting more and better stuff from these guys/gals/robots? vedith's above post is a good example of "more"

[themilkcartonkid]

Nice, someone finally realizes the implications of the mechanic.

"finally"?
it's like you aren't even reading my posts

Which posts specifically?

I've already said too much

it's posts like this... I just can't with the anti-town behavior. You need to have a reason to be secretive, not just because, and then SHUTUP ABOUT IT. stop the cryptic implications. If you're hiding a gambit or PR or anything like that, then just. don't. talk. about. it. don't be cryptic, don't be rude, don't try to get other people to guess. If not, then please share your reads and thoughts. Scum has the info advantage and we need to talk in order to balance that out.

[themilkcartonkid]

Okay, here's the way I see things. Slaxx is town. I read his iso again and his response to me was very town.
Vedith is leaning town.
TTTT is leaning town rn, but is still mainly null
rb and lovebird are leaning scum for lurking
Pers and buj are... complicated. I want one to flip if we get to the end of the day.

[themilkcartonkid]

i think the scumteam is egix/milk/bujaber

oh there's only 2 scum

bujaber/milk

is this a real townslip?

pedit: I don;t have any clue, which is why I need more to sort them

[themilkcartonkid]

Persivul baiting the lynch (I’m assuming since we discussed this publically you won’t get mad) is a towntell to me.

Correct. Towns usually mislynch D1 anyway, and the tree stumping feature really mitigates any damage. Any trees who thought about it should have been pretty fearless today. If lynched, you get to see who was on/off your wagon, and you're still around to push your suspects.

So who should we sort this way? I think counterintuitively it should be a strong player bc then its soooooorta follow the cop for the whole day +extra town doesn't get killed

[themilkcartonkid]

Persivul I got mad because you said I have an anti-town playstyle. To me that's playing against town wincon. I don't do that intentionally. Never have never will. I take that responsibility seriously. Multiple times in the past I've ignored my own feelings and tried to fix things just to avoid confusing people into mislynching me. When scum I've avoided flaking or replacing out multiple times because a) it's not fair (and not relevant to this but b) because I'm stuck with it anyway might as well practice and try to get better at it.

That said I haven't felt that you're trying to sort me at all, while I've felt that I've been giving reads and trying to sort people, so it was very shocking to be called anti-town or unproductive or whatever from someone who has less scumhunting content. The quoting thing I explained was a misunderstanding. I don't know any other reason for you to scumread me. Is it the milk scum case? What do you disagree with?
Or is it the scum theater comment? I gave my reasons for that.. you and the other 3 or 4 people that disagreed what about my reasons do you not find plausible? How do you imagine scum theater looking? More obvious than this, or more dramatic and long-winded?


As for the my performance this game.. that comment came from milk who has played only one game with me in which I was playing as a hydra. We also don't know milk's alignment. I did not agree with his statement. What I was trying to portray to him is that everyone here is not playing very townie so it's not been that easy to sort people, so it's kind of weird to say I'm playing at a subpar level when relative to this game and playerlist I'm playing well.

The obvtown thing is a fair observation if taken out of context. I said that to show you that even if I were anti-town here (I'm not), it is not something a trend with me, so it can't be my playstyle. If I were playing anti-town it would be limited to specific circumstances or as a result of the game state/environment (like this one being quite bad for a day 1).

Frankly I am scumreading you but I don't trust that read yet because I think it is pretty clear that you were biased against me which in turn made me biased towards you. A biased read can be correct, but it is better play to let it sit for a while and reevaluate it.

Let's move on...

I don't know what rb is doing but I think being divided between me/persivul is a natural response regardless of alignment. Though his earlier interactions kind of felt that he was townreading me so I dunno if he's just trying to look busy. Earlier in the game I was also very suspicious by how quick and adamant he was about townreading lovebird.

Speaking of whom, lovebird has a pretty townie start, but last forest fire we played when she was scum, she kinda lurked / did some active-lurking, while her partner hyperposted. I don't know if lovebird is inclined to repeat successful scumplay in a repeated setup, but if one of the more active posters were to flip scum, I think it'd be wrong not to suspect lovebird if she continues to lurk. I also think it's quite easy to see when lovebird is actually posting game-progressing posts or just noise, personally I feel confident I can catch her as she continues to post.

I feel fairly confident Egix is town.

I believe the best course of action is still to focus on milk and slaxx. I don't buy that it's TvT, and I think it's very possibly SvS.

Milk has also been quite manipulative, now that I see that his comment actually convinced Persivul. He's exaggerating his knowledge of my meta. (1 game that didn't even have regular mechanics). I can only assume that he's doing it to give more credibility to his fake reads.
Because I don't know why town would pretend they know someone better than they actually do.

I'm more saying that you CARRIED the last game even though it was an unknown setup to you. You guessed just about every scum correctly within the first two days. I do see what you're saying about everyone else, I've pointed it out to, but I know that normally strong players will want to seem clueless or incompetent as scum bc it excuses all the mislynches or activelurking

[themilkcartonkid]

VOTE: buj

[themilkcartonkid]

Oh, well that's l-1

[themilkcartonkid]

Honestly I'm voting you bc you're eaither scum or psyching yourself out as town and need to just be stumped

[themilkcartonkid]

I think Persivul is scummy but I want him to be town because it means he didn't catch me last game because of skill or anything that I did wrong but because of his bias against the type of player I am. He just scumreads everything so might as well just flip a coin to see if Persivul is right or wrong about me next time we play.

Wow, this is really towny. Slaxx, Idk why you scumread Bu.

This is lamist, it talks about pers but it's all about buj.

Pedit: I townread ved bc he did more in the 5 minutes he was there than the other 3 did the whole game. Egix I forgot about

[themilkcartonkid]

Persivul is here. He's a disrespectful player.
I checked though it's not against the rules unless he actually insults people.

policy lynch this before lylo

why do we wanna vote bujaber again

bujaber who are your top scumreads

i can't figure out whether i want to lynch persivul or bujaber

This is all feasibly S/S

This is something I have not thought about. I've been focusing on pers bui

[themilkcartonkid]

Do we want a stump rb?

[themilkcartonkid]

Yes but if

[themilkcartonkid]

No I'm overthinking it.VOTE: rb

[themilkcartonkid]

Pers, are you going to actually vote or...

[themilkcartonkid]

Not a terrible stump.

Backpedal much?

[themilkcartonkid]

Bc a stump is conftown. Besides, rb put up the smallest and easiest to fake town like post and that was enough for you?

[themilkcartonkid]

Stump stump stump stump

[themilkcartonkid]

Slaxx, because you hammered, you have become my vote. I will build a town coalition and run the game!

[themilkcartonkid]

Man, and I had an 8 hour trip ahead of me

[themilkcartonkid]

Scum could be slaxx egix rn. Honestly, you are allowing two lurkers and a troll to get away without pressure and its mindblowing

[themilkcartonkid]

Buj. Stop. Fixating. Dont 1v1 right now. If you're sure about slaxx, find the other partner.
Slaxx. Stop. Fixating. You've got a lot to answer for and you will, but find Bujs partner if your so sure.

[themilkcartonkid]

Okay, here's my thinking.
We have to pressure slaxx for his lolhammer and self vote, but we cannot let scum use those to distract from them if they are the lurkers and I feel strongly that at least 1 is not a vocal player. I get a nagging feeling from slaxx that this could just be bad townplay. But it's very bad

[themilkcartonkid]

Yes I can

[themilkcartonkid]

You hammered me with no claim and you self voted d2 with no scum caught. Both of those are strictly anti town. I dont care if you would be stumped, you wouldn't count as town and therefore would be working against your wincon. You said you dont care if you throw the game which is against mod and site rules and that alone should get you thrown out of this game. The only reason you should not be immediately policy lynch is because I dont feel like you're worth possibly throwing the game

[themilkcartonkid]

You hammered me with no claim and you self voted d2 with no scum caught. Both of those are strictly anti town.

Anti-town, yes, but scummy? Everyone cries scum when someone hammers like that, but if lynched that person almost always flips town.

If this was by itself I would 100% agree with you, but there are other major red flags here

[themilkcartonkid]

Again I want to reiterate two things:
1. Lurkers should be pressured FIRST
2. the scum case on slaxx is not even mostly about the lolhammer. It's about the scummy 1v1, self vote, and wanting to throw the game over a 1v1.

[themilkcartonkid]

That's l-1

[themilkcartonkid]

-.-

[themilkcartonkid]

Is there some secret wincon that is "you must make terrible decisions" bc everyone in this thread is doing that

[themilkcartonkid]

Again I want to reiterate two things:
1. Lurkers should be pressured FIRST
2. the scum case on slaxx is not even mostly about the lolhammer. It's about the scummy 1v1, self vote, and wanting to throw the game over a 1v1.

Thinking about it more, the hammer was super bad. This is an open setup in which a FF claim and no CC makes a conftown. If he's tree, he risked costing us that advantage. It's doubtful he's FF himself. The implication of his self vote was that he wasn't concerned about being lynched, because he'd still be here as a stump.

The major problem is that a town lynched is a lost town. It doesn't matter if you're stumped. That might be ok for a d1 lynch, but d2 less than 24 hrs after it started?

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, we have a WHOLE PERSON WHO DIDNT EVEN POST TODAY

[themilkcartonkid]

Also, we have a WHOLE PERSON WHO DIDNT EVEN POST TODAY

Should we lynch them tomorrow?

We dont have enough to lynch ANYONE rn and bc you hammered, we probably wont get it

[themilkcartonkid]

Do share

[themilkcartonkid]

Quickly, were on borrowed time here

[themilkcartonkid]

No, I cant accept that

[themilkcartonkid]

I have a question that you must answer tomorrow, but I will trust you for now

[themilkcartonkid]

Try

[themilkcartonkid]

It would be cool to lynch two people

[themilkcartonkid]

^all this is good stuff

[themilkcartonkid]

Honestly, if scum plays this right, tomorrow is mylo

[themilkcartonkid]

You hammered me with no claim and you self voted d2 with no scum caught. Both of those are strictly anti town.

Anti-town, yes, but scummy? Everyone cries scum when someone hammers like that, but if lynched that person almost always flips town.

Anti-town, yes, but scummy? Everyone cries scum when someone hammers like that, but if lynched that person almost always flips town.

Actually re-reading the end of that day, that was horrible.

VOTE: slaxx

This flip is bad in hindsight

[themilkcartonkid]

RV This would been nice a bit ago

Pers reversal on me is concerning

Maybe (Buja/Pers/Lovebird) <-2 of those

This is why we dont self vote. Got it?

[themilkcartonkid]

things that bother me:

1. im an easy target, but im not being pressured. which makes me think scum are okay with today's lynch candidate unless slaxx is being bussed. more likely, he's town

2. milk is town, i'm town. vedith flipped his read and took me as being town, and was happy to vote milk. we need focus on why vedith, who has seen me play lazy as both scum and town, decides i'm town

seems bad we're just going with slaxx

Very plus town

[themilkcartonkid]

UNVOTE: Slaxx
Ill think more tomorrow as it's 5 30am

Invites, then jumps on when asked to hammer BY THE PERSON THEMSELVES. How would this not flip scum?

[themilkcartonkid]

I like you're thinking. Just don't over do it!

Explain your thinking for this post?

[themilkcartonkid]

You can lynch me Egix but you won't shut me up.
I will not let the arsonists win another game of Forest Fire

This is lamist and accomplishes nothing

[themilkcartonkid]

Honestly, vedith buj makes a ton of sense, but I'd rather pressure vedith, TTtT, and lovebird tomorrow.

[themilkcartonkid]

Lurkers post like your life depended on it because it does. I dont want your lack of interest to lose us the game if buj and vedith are actually scum

[themilkcartonkid]

Lurkers post like your life depended on it because it does. I dont want your lack of interest to lose us the game if buj and vedith are actually scum

if you think they're scum then it's better to just lynch them than lynch lurkers

But I would rather lose to scum that at least gave an effort tha. To scum who didnt even have to try

[themilkcartonkid]

Well I think both Scum are in th you and Lovebird. Maybe TTTT at a push.
BuJ and Pers most likely town though

Please say why though

[themilkcartonkid]

I think the best thing to look at would be end of day 1 and end of day 2 to see which of the voters give fake reasons for scumreading or their votes are bad / don't fit their ISOs

Everything was bad about d1

[themilkcartonkid]

I think the best thing to look at would be end of day 1 and end of day 2 to see which of the voters give fake reasons for scumreading or their votes are bad / don't fit their ISOs

Everything was bad about d1

And D2 was worse

[themilkcartonkid]

Why does rb's latest string of posts read townie to you milk?
He's been townreading love too early in the game then started to lessen that read.

He thought slaxx was town but didn't try to stop the lynch in any meaninful way. Just set me up as the fall guy when I was nowhere near hammering both day 1 snd day 2 wagon, and unlike most other voters actually continued to engage the people I'm voting.

They were baiting the lynch D1, but D2 they super picked up the pace. Today has been good too. They're actually interacting

[themilkcartonkid]

But like, how?

[themilkcartonkid]

Sell it, not to me, but to others

[themilkcartonkid]

Um because you are the sole believer in that right now

[themilkcartonkid]

What kind of question is that? Do you even actually want to play this game?

[themilkcartonkid]

Am I town for you?

this is a bad looking question imo

[themilkcartonkid]

This is going to be the biggest mass prod at this rate

[themilkcartonkid]

Right now I think scum is either pers and buj or ved and buj. I have liked lbs posting today and I hope they keep it up. TTTT is only an option if buj is not scum so I say lynch buj first, then pers or ved, then the other. If buj flips town, I'm lost.

[themilkcartonkid]

Who's scum if I flip town?

You probably should get that discussed now. Tomorrow there will either be 2 dead people or 3 primed people. You can't afford mistakes.

Also it might force scum to prime the competent townies so that should help you with reads

Honestly, probable egix. I've been mainly going off of other reads there. Vedith is still possible, TTTT becomes more likely, and lb and rb would lose their trs by PoE and go back to null

[themilkcartonkid]

This is mostly just based on the fact that I cant see a world where we've been this bad as town. If you're not scum, we have torn each other apart with no direction from scum

[themilkcartonkid]

Why did you want to be stumped?

[themilkcartonkid]

Milky you too.
It's possibly MyLo today so convince me I'm wrong.
Both stumps I'd appreciate a read on all alive players other than myself and that do not require a flip to tell.

What are you wrong about?
I hoped that I had been clear in my reads, but I'll put together a list

[themilkcartonkid]

I dont think you're wrong so much as you are scum. I dont think I'm going to convince you of that. But that's why I do genuinely want to hear your whys behind your reads. I want myself proven wrong

[themilkcartonkid]

This is mostly just based on the fact that I cant see a world where we've been this bad as town. If you're not scum, we have torn each other apart with no direction from scum

That's an emotional view not a rational one.

Fair

[themilkcartonkid]

This is mostly just based on the fact that I cant see a world where we've been this bad as town. If you're not scum, we have torn each other apart with no direction from scum

That's an emotional view not a rational one.

Fair

To be clear, my scumread is a lot more than just this. But I can put it all together tonight

[themilkcartonkid]

Milk, why don't you want to engage with me and discuss why I'm thinking wrong as town?

My reads.

BuJaber

Persivul

TTTT

Egix

Lovebird

rb

Because you have refused to give me any reason why. Honestly, I didnt know WHAT you thought until this list and I still have no clue why.

[themilkcartonkid]

Please don't do this, I know you're better than this.

VOTE: BuJ

Let's bag ourselves an arso.

This looks like aiming for town credit on T v T argument with Slaxx being main focus at this point.
Egix has really hid under the rstar all game too.

I am also concerned about this, so I thi k you could be right about this. @slaxx, why do you townread him?

[themilkcartonkid]

The main read Im concerned on is Pers.
He showed intent on lynching you day 1 but never auctioned, he had Slaxx as Scum day 2, voted but was never vocal.

Normally Pers is a lot more vocal when he wants to lynch, but his replace out just confuses me to why he got annoyed on the delay.
I don't ever see Scum Pers getting angry on the delay and the quiet day as it works in his favour.

I read this as him trying not to be as aggressive, therefore talking less. I think a delayed game helps no one, scum or town

[themilkcartonkid]

Delayed games help Scum.
Town are more likely to go with whatever because they don't want to put the effort in or feel deflated.
This gives Scum the boost in control of lynching.

How I feel right now tbh

[themilkcartonkid]

Can someone who has played with rb before make a scumcase? From what I see, they picked up the game d2 after taking for a stump d1. I dont see why rb would pick up the game at that point.

[themilkcartonkid]

If I had to lynch a lurker (for lack of a better term) it would be TTTT. That reason for his play plus the timing of his admission is just unbelievable. Either its perhaps the grossest anti town thing or a semi weak scum play for sympathy

[themilkcartonkid]

until every slot's posted and still no CC, i think vedith is scum

also milk, my activity coincides with gaps in my work and play schedule, nothing more or less

See, that makes me scumread you because you didnt have a reason for a lack of reads d1.

[themilkcartonkid]

I am still going to continue to second guess my reads because the ability to step outside of oneself and catch something you might have missed is a good ability to have and I dont care to be a mediocre town player forever. So, slaxx, if buj flips town for some insane and improbable reason, what next?

[themilkcartonkid]

I could honestly go pers or egix for partners with buj. I would seriously reconsider rb if buj is town, although I dont know if the game will be over by then

[themilkcartonkid]

actually it's that you, me, buj, vedith and maaaaaybe TTTT are the only active members atm

[themilkcartonkid]

Before calling pers, I'd let them replace to see

[themilkcartonkid]

It's sad when the best move that scum could do at this point is destroy the stumps

[themilkcartonkid]

True

I think rb’s skepticism of Vedith claim might actually be a bit +T

It could be faked easily but usually if there wasn’t a CC plan it would be more scum natural to accept it

I actually read this as either tunneling or faking/setting up. I want neither

[themilkcartonkid]

This is by far the most toxic game I've ever played.

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm pretty sure its RC Buj if rb flips town. I also dont think we lost bc rb was the primed target I'm pretty sure

[themilkcartonkid]

i feel like i've tried to be far more reasonable than the circumstances justified

You are not the toxic one here

[themilkcartonkid]

Lovebirds confusion seemed very genuine

[themilkcartonkid]

lol

what a world where lovebird blatantly scumhammers someone they were hard townreading and people are calling me scum for it

Nothing in this game makes sense

[themilkcartonkid]

Uuuuugh my town game is so bad this game

[themilkcartonkid]

lol

what a world where lovebird blatantly scumhammers someone they were hard townreading and people are calling me scum for it

Nothing in this game makes sense

if you think this it means that scum are out thinking you

I'm going to take this as constructive criticism instead of an insult

[themilkcartonkid]

So... the game is actually not a win and we should report the mod

[themilkcartonkid]

I was Scum with BuJ

My faith in my town abilities is restored

[themilkcartonkid]

That's not to say scum didnt play their hand well. Somehow surviving being universally scumread and leading lynched on all the townread players was very nice

[themilkcartonkid]

It was not

[themilkcartonkid]

Whoops

So who was FF?

[themilkcartonkid]

It not over tomorrow id say just lynch Egix or just follow RCs lead.

Say this again but in english?

[themilkcartonkid]

Are you trying to walk back your scum claim?

[themilkcartonkid]

I'm losing my dang mind

[themilkcartonkid]

Fitting end to this game tbh

Hahaha very yes

[themilkcartonkid]

Buj, what do you think about responses to EOD yesterday

[themilkcartonkid]

Well there are two people left, so what do you think about the response to the remark by vedith and the tone of people voting for lovebird

[themilkcartonkid]

Also as a side note, I need to work on reading tone into these games. I just take everything at face value or at least assume that the person is serious. I've totally misread a joke nearly every game I've played

[themilkcartonkid]

Hmm, so either we have scum!Cowbells who decided to go for the hardmode path to victory, or we have scum!BuJ who voted 4Ts (IIRC on two separate occasions) despite having primed him. Either way there's a lot of WIFOM involved so this will be a tough choice for me.

Make your choice wisely

[themilkcartonkid]

I had a good run.

But it’s been a while.

I do suck!

How freeing.

Now I don’t need to pretend to be good to keep up appearances.

For me too please

[themilkcartonkid]

like

all the mislynches in this game were pretty stupid

Agreed, all of them were lightning fast and very early. Most of then were for absolutely no reason