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Post Post #225  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:56 am

Vote Count 1.9TemporalLich (4): Skellen, u r a person 2, Emperor flippyNips, teacher [L-1]
CatStar (1): good
good (1): CatStar
Emperor flippyNips (1): roomy
Skellen (1): TemporalLich

Not Voting (1): Clemency


With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-02-18 11:05:00)

Spoiler: Vote Change Tracker/Vote Links Day 1
teacher -> Clemency, TemporalLich, Unvote, TemporalLich
CatStar -> good
u r a person 2 -> CatStar, TemporalLich
roomy -> u r a person 2, Unvote, TemporalLich, Unvote, Emperor flippyNips
Emperor flippyNips -> Skellen, Unvote, TemporalLich
TemporalLich -> roomy, Unvote, CatStar, Skellen
Skellen -> CatStar, Unvote, TemporalLich
good -> CatStar
Clemency -> Unvote


Spoiler: Wagon Change Tracker Day 1
TemporalLich (4): roomy, teacher, Skellen, u r a person 2, Emperor flippyNips, teacher
CatStar (1): u r a person 2, Skellen, good, TemporalLich
good (1): CatStar
Emperor flippyNips (1): roomy
Skellen (1): Emperor flippyNips, TemporalLich
roomy (0): TemporalLich
u r a person 2 (0): roomy
Clemency (0): teacher


Last edited by Frozen Angel on Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:00 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Post Post #226  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:58 am

In post 123, teacher wrote:He certainly isnt my strongest scumread.

For context, since I have evolved, Flippy was my strongest scumread at this point from the disappearing act. Having more activity from that slot has moved it up for me, at least beyond Lich where I think I get to learn more.

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Post Post #227  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:58 am

In post 19, teacher wrote:1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

1. town on salem and their forums
2. not exactly well - i tend to be pretty aggresive and for that get suspicion on me. i either die really early or live till the very end.
3. very carefully plan my words, use longer sentences to confuse town too. i also love to kill my teammates :mrgreen:
4. their tone and motive

i'm probably not going to do reads, as im not very good at them. if i find a scum, i'll tell you

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Post Post #228  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:00 am

In post 136, u r a person 2 wrote:I liked catstar's thought processes in 80

Nice! Thanks for calling this out. It made me reread CatStar's ISO generally, and I see alot of thought-processes, questions, and reads that I like. She hasnt felt as present when skimming the game, but there is real depth there. Thank you. Both you and she get town!points.

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Post Post #229  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:03 am

In post 136, u r a person 2 wrote:clem I want to town read. he agrees with me on skellen, good. Paranoia about teacher is pretty meh tho.
I dont blame him, and its consistent with his investigation in Newb 1909. The fact is that I at least try for this meta as scum too. The best example I can provide is when scum!me conclusively proved someone town at mylo, [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10286465#p10286465]here[/post]. There is always a rational case to be made to for a scum!win because town does scummy things too.

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Post Post #230  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:04 am

EBWOP
In post 136, u r a person 2 wrote:clem I want to town read. he agrees with me on skellen, good. Paranoia about teacher is pretty meh tho.
I dont blame him, and its consistent with his investigation in Newb 1909. The fact is that I at least try for this meta as scum too. The best example I can provide is when scum!me conclusively proved someone town at mylo, here. There is always a rational case to be made to for a scum!win because town does scummy things too.

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Post Post #231  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:04 am

In post 138, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 135, teacher wrote:Though tbh I miss tigger.

who?

your AVI of the wet tiger from the old game. I found it endearing.

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Post Post #232  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:10 am

In post 148, roomy wrote:I'm a big fan of linguistic analysis. maybe you just overlooked this?
I did overlook that, and somehow transmuted CatStar's linguistic criticism in to you. My bad. I was more focused on the lack-of-uniqueness comment, because I did think that language catch was new data, even if less concrete.

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Post Post #233  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:11 am

In post 149, u r a person 2 wrote:@teacher what's your confidence level on this slot? might sheep you if it is high
Pretty high.

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Post Post #234  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:20 am

In post 177, TemporalLich wrote:If I die today, then I probably shouldn't play Mafia ever again.

Nooo! That is distinctly NOT the point of newbie games. They are to learn how to play generally, and learn some skills to playing well. Regardless of your alignment, if you are today's lynch you can learn why people suspected you and learn how to avoid it (again, regardless of alignment). Scum-catches and mislynches all happen, the point is to make sure you are having fun and trying to win, not necessarily survive til the end game.

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Post Post #235  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:23 am

In post 185, CatStar wrote:So now trying town hunting instead!
Town finding town is possibly more important than finding scum. This is an important aspect of the game that is often underappreciated. It is why I shared my first read, even though it was a townread, and part of why I stayed quiet on my early suspicions of flippy. That Roomy turned to Flip pretty immediately was just the sort of mindmeld (I had been thinking but not saying it) I needed to basically conf!town him at this point.

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Post Post #236  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:26 am

In post 189, roomy wrote:on mobile, but I’d like to get some others’ impressions of Nips. I don’t understand his “everyone is playing to their meta” response to my pointing out that he was playing to his self-described scum meta. ??? I don’t think that’s a very solid tell in itself, but his weird shrugging off and then asking a softball question towards Lich after I had called him out for it is just so scummy to me. plus, he’s had plenty of time to “go through the thread,” it’s 7 pages without many walls. His ISO is pretty much entirely him avoiding pressure and giving nothing back in return.

i think nips is lazy town
his meta is to start wagons, and he is doing the exact opposite. unless im missing something i think you are overreacting

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Post Post #237  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:27 am

In post 234, teacher wrote:
In post 177, TemporalLich wrote:If I die today, then I probably shouldn't play Mafia ever again.

Nooo! That is distinctly NOT the point of newbie games. They are to learn how to play generally, and learn some skills to playing well. Regardless of your alignment, if you are today's lynch you can learn why people suspected you and learn how to avoid it (again, regardless of alignment). Scum-catches and mislynches all happen, the point is to make sure you are having fun and trying to win, not necessarily survive til the end game.

he's just trying to appeal to emotion, you are falling for his bait.

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Post Post #238  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:28 am

Revised reads list.
Teacher
Roomy/Skellen
URAP/CatStar
______________
Clem/Flippy
______________
Good
Lich

@clem please see . I need some more from you.

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Post Post #239  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:28 am

In post 237, good wrote:you are falling for his bait.
See my vote. Not falling for it, just offering an encouraging aside.

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Post Post #240  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:30 am

In post 223, teacher wrote:Fourth, and the most compelling point for scum!good, is Birdy's . I saw this as a potential partnership play, of accelerating the wagon that was tied with Lich and hopefully redirecting attention to another slot.

there is only one point and it's not very compelling
voting a low acitivity slot is bad as activity is NAI but not scum

also, what do you think of roomy trying to create a wagon on nips?

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Post Post #241  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:32 am

In post 224, teacher wrote:
In post 218, Clemency wrote:i'll have to rewrite my list
Clem, when rewritten, can we get the list. I found your intent on Lich troubling given the gamestate of multiple lurkers subject to being replaced and several days left. I have less of a grasp of where you are coming from this game generally - I get that it may be being overgamed, but I need to see inside your head a little more.

here now, and i think i'm taking back what i said about lich
usually, i'd give players like lich the benefit of the doubt, since both newbies can mess up as town similar to flailing scum but this game seems to carry a higher amount of good players than usual
209 gave me some sort of gut feeling but i dont think it's smart for me to go off that
"all due respect, the words "Clemency" and "normal" do not belong in the same paragraph" - the worst

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Post Post #242  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:34 am

so i guess you could consider this intent
but we still have a bunch of time left to discuss
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Post Post #243  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:35 am

@Clem - Can you give a CatStar read?

@Good - re: 1. That was a real-time reaction. It felt like the momentum in the live gamestate was in the air between lich and catstar, and birdy was trying to push it one way without real substance. It probably wouldnt stand out on a cold-read, but when made (as one of very few substantive posts) it felt awkward and forced. 2, re Roomy, see my mind-meld comment. Flippy was my unstated scumread at that time.

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Post Post #244  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:36 am

Clem, claim intent explicitly. At this point I dont think those on the wagon will unvote, so Lich should know whether or not he should roleclaim.

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Post Post #245  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:37 am

i wont hammer in the next ~12h
catstar's been going consistently up for me, gonna say townlean
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Post Post #246  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:42 am

In post 243, teacher wrote:@Clem - Can you give a CatStar read?

@Good - re: 1. That was a real-time reaction. It felt like the momentum in the live gamestate was in the air between lich and catstar, and birdy was trying to push it one way without real substance. It probably wouldnt stand out on a cold-read, but when made (as one of very few substantive posts) it felt awkward and forced. 2, re Roomy, see my mind-meld comment. Flippy was my unstated scumread at that time.

bullshit. votes on catstar were RvS votes while lich was being scumread

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Post Post #247  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:51 am

Yes, but the wagons were tied, and Birdy offered a defense of one while pushing the other. It simply felt like a possible partner play at the time.

To be clear, associational data is indeed weak pre-flip - that is part of why I didnt vote or make a case on your slot. But I am intrigued that you jumped right onto the associational point while ignoring all the other aspects of the case on Lich. Worried he might flip red?

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Post Post #248  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:08 am

In post 227, good wrote:i'm probably not going to do reads, as im not very good at them. if i find a scum, i'll tell you

In post 236, good wrote:i think nips is lazy town
his meta is to start wagons, and he is doing the exact opposite.

OK, so you gave one read. Right now you've got an inherited vote. Who would YOU vote, and why?

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Post Post #249  (ISO)  » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:38 am

I'm under a pile of work this morning, but I've been skimming teacher, et al.

I'm happy with where my vote is. Clem, please don't let the intent period drag on too long. I want 1-2 days left just in case of claim

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