Open 750: Forest Fire (Game Over)

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VOTE: Persuvil

Chainsaw for the mod

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That’s sooooooo goooooood of a tell.

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Oh dammit TTTT is already voting me that’s not fun then

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My role PM said I was the Lorax

What’s my wincon?

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Oh here it is

“Sell books”

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Can we not

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We will spend half the day arguing about shit that will do nothing for solving

So let’s just not.

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I actually didn’t put together that you were responding to Lovebirds last Mafia win in this setup but I did get the two statements were separate.

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Wow we worked out a misunderstanding through civil discourse.

This bodes well.

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Wow we worked out a misunderstanding through civil discourse.

This bodes well.

When you couldn't do that...what alignments were each of you?

What?

I think I might get the point you’re trying to make, in which case I would respond that good-faith arguments and civil discourse always will bode well for Town overall. Mafia is capable of engaging in that but the more people we have that don’t throw hissy fits the better off we are.

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VOTE: Egix

5/5 on my read of you.

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UNVOTE:

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That was a reaction test on Egix and the fact a bunch of other people sheeped me and decided to start piling on while making sure to mention the lynch was mine probably means it flips town.

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VOTE: Milk

Wanting to pressure the first two people on the wagon for blind votes on page 3 but ignore the Sheep. This is a good vote.

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VOTE: Egix

5/5 on my read of you.

OK this is serious now, what's the reason?

This question needs to be answered and applies to rb as well

This is the post the pinged me. Pers and Milk were both trying to shift blame onto RB and I for the wagon while ignoring the people who just clapped on later. The difference between them is he also reiterated Pers’s question just a couple posts after Pers, which does little functionally for town except to put him on record that he too wanted the answer for the wagon, you know, to look better upon a town flip. Nothing about that post seemed genuine or has town utility but it has great scum posturing utility.

The vote on milk wasn’t about exclusively not pressuring the sheep, it was about trying to redistribute blame for the wagon in a shady way, that to me, looked a lot like someone posturing for a mislynch, thus the Egix unvote.

This was more scummy than the sheep votes, and thus I voted there. Could I have pressured the sheep on reasoning? Yeah. Because I didn’t do it and went after something more significant that caught my eye does that make me scum? Nope.

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Ftr I don’t like Buja’s vote on milk but it’s not enough to spook me off of the wagon like Milks reaction to the Egix wagon was.

There were four people, not five on the wagon, and also there could very well be one or even zero scum on the Egix wagon. Also, he said people not on the Egix wagon were town then voted someone who never hopped on. So. I’m cool with Buja/Milk now. Maybe not as a pair but both have high equity at this point. Buja could plausibly not be paying attention. If he wishes to explain his thought process more he can, as I can feasibly see a way where his vote makes sense but I’m not giving him the answer.

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VOTE: Egix

5/5 on my read of you.

OK this is serious now, what's the reason?

This question needs to be answered and applies to rb as well

This is the post the pinged me. Pers and Milk were both trying to shift blame onto RB and I for the wagon while ignoring the people who just clapped on later. The difference between them is he also reiterated Pers’s question just a couple posts after Pers, which does little functionally for town except to put him on record that he too wanted the answer for the wagon, you know, to look better upon a town flip. Nothing about that post seemed genuine or has town utility but it has great scum posturing utility.

The vote on milk wasn’t about exclusively not pressuring the sheep, it was about trying to redistribute blame for the wagon in a shady way, that to me, looked a lot like someone posturing for a mislynch, thus the Egix unvote.

This was more scummy than the sheep votes, and thus I voted there. Could I have pressured the sheep on reasoning? Yeah. Because I didn’t do it and went after something more significant that caught my eye does that make me scum? Nope.

This is a made up reason. It 100%doesn't match up with the original post and if you cant see the town utility in backing up a good question (one of the few ones this game) then you aren't actually looking

If it "100%" doesn't match then it should be pretty easy for you to point out the contradiction then, yes?

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Pers and Milk were both trying to shift blame onto RB and I for the wagon while ignoring the people who just clapped on later.

Where do you get that I was trying to shift blame on you by asking you the reasoning for your read?

"This is serious"

It was more of a tonal thing, but it read very much as "look what you've started, come explain yourself" than a more casual "hey whats the reason here"

Ftr I don't think its Milk/Pers.

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Also, the use of blame is really weird here. Like, we dont know that egix is town so... what do you know that we dont?

LOL

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VOTE: Milk

Wanting to pressure the first two people on the wagon for blind votes on page 3 but ignore the Sheep. This is a good vote.

The vote on milk wasn’t about exclusively not pressuring the sheep, it was about trying to redistribute blame for the wagon in a shady way, that to me, looked a lot like someone posturing for a mislynch, thus the Egix unvote.

Those statements are not contradictions.

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"This is serious"

It was more of a tonal thing, but it read very much as "look what you've started, come explain yourself" than a more casual "hey whats the reason here"

Ftr I don't think its Milk/Pers.

L-1s are serious, dipshit.

Yeah they are you fucking prick

But I'm not the one who put them there

Ass

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Pressure vs blame, they are not the same

See but in your post above, you just said that it was the discrepancy between "milk did x" and now its "the WAY milk did X"

But here you say the difference is between pressure and blame

You see how easy it is to deflect with semantics? Because I used different phrasing does not mean what I am saying was significantly different. If that's what you want to try to push though, be my guest.

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VOTE: Egix

5/5 on my read of you.

Can you explain the read or not?

Instead of being concerned that you're being blamed for a wagon (no clue why you think of it in those terms), you could just explain the read.

Are you even fucking reading you illiterate shithead?

I said it was a reaction test

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That was a reaction test on Egix and the fact a bunch of other people sheeped me and decided to start piling on while making sure to mention the lynch was mine probably means it flips town.

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Why do you think a wagon is worthy of blame?

Because it flips town.

Based off of how fast that formed, and how milk (and maybe you) reacted, I am working under the assumption that it flips town.

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It formed around the same speed but in the midst of more content, so I am not as concerned about it. Also, I like the reaction I got on this wagon, unlike Egix's.

Look at Egix ISO and the people who voted for him.

Now look at Milk's ISO up to L-1 and look at the people who voted for him.

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You see how easy it is to deflect with semantics?

Yeah it's almost as easy as saying

but it was a reaaaaaction test...

It was what, page 3? You want to try and tell me that that sort of thing isn't common that early?

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Shit man if you're gonna take swipes on me just keep your vote there.

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Why do you think a wagon is worthy of blame?

Because it flips town.

Based off of how fast that formed, and how milk (and maybe you) reacted, I am working under the assumption that it flips town.

Wait... you think I was actually concerned about an l1 on page 3? Egix wasn't getting lynched, he was being pressured. But he wasn't actually being pressured to respond to anything. Reaction test, okay. It's pretty convenient, but I see what you could mean. But your case on me is made up because you're super hypocritical in several ways already pointed out by pers and I both

I'm not hypocritical, you just either have terrible reading comprehension or you're arguing in bad faith.

My gut is telling me door #2.

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VOTE: Bujaber

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A little off topic but maybe relevant

But I get why reaction tests could be labelled convenient retroactively

But given that I can read Egix easily and it was start of game it's a pretty expected and logical move to make

And ya know, you can't exactly say it up front, so.

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A little off topic but maybe relevant

But I get why reaction tests could be labelled convenient retroactively

But given that I can read Egix easily and it was start of game it's a pretty expected and logical move to make

And ya know, you can't exactly say it up front, so.

What history do you have with him?

I read him correctly as scum in davesaz (?) C9++ (Open)
I read him correctly as town in boba tea mafia (mininormal)
I read him correctly as town in schadd's more songz (mininormal)
I read him correctly as town in Mewtaph's Winter's Sacrifice (mininormal)

It's just a running joke we have. In davesaz and boba I couldn't even articulate why I had the read I did, I just did.

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Unless he has alts that list is exhaustive, I'm not cherrypicking.

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Milk and Slaxx is scum theater.

I quoted TTTT to show it working.

This is going to be a long game

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Egix is town

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I didn’t TR him.

There’s plenty of pressure to go around so I switched.

Good decision apparently.

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Lol.

So many assumptions.

Not a scumread =/= a townread
Voting for pressure is a pretty common tactic
I didn’t say the interaction was productive Milk did
I didn’t just unvote, I voted you

Think I got it all.

I’ll start posting clifnotes of all my posts where I hand hold everyone through each sentence.

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Look at all the damn trees

Where the fucking forest

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Yeah that’s not a hot take

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It’s okay, pers decided to read the game and we made up.

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Milk and maybe lovebird.. slaxx if milk flips red

I think Persivul is scummy but I want him to be town because it means he didn't catch me last game because of skill or anything that I did wrong but because of his bias against the type of player I am. He just scumreads everything so might as well just flip a coin to see if Persivul is right or wrong about me next time we play.

Actually no towns suck enough on this site. I hope he's scum. But either way I can't sort him because he's wearing "BuJ is scum" limited edition goggles, and like for someone like him he'd want to lynch me regardless of alignment.

That’s a whole lot of LAMIST

I mean what about that is even remotely related to the actual posts within this game thread

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You mean like majority of posts, Slaxx?

Do the majority of posts try to posture themselves as town AND are also useless?

I don’t think so

You funny guy

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Y’all are the most pedantic batch of yoohoos I’ve played with

I’d like the mod to note pedantic nor yoohoo is offensive

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FF is literally a Doctor it’s just that we don’t find out if there’s saves until later.

I think any day before LyLo without claiming targets is how how the FF should play.

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I still think Egix play here is more town-Egix, even if he says nothings he’s done is outside the town meta.

Persivul baiting the lynch (I’m assuming since we discussed this publically you won’t get mad) is a towntell to me. I thought about doing it but realized with this game was going I’d rather not. I think he’s probably town.

Not for sure if RB’s thing was a townslip or not. Didn’t feel manufactured but could have plausibly been.

(Persivul, Egix)
(RB)
(TTTT, Vedith, Lovebird)
(Milk)
(Buja)

Gun to my head Id stick TTTT below the null line and Vedith above it.

Is where I’m at I think.

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So tired of this scum theater bullshit.

It’s like people aren’t allowed to resolve conflicts or not tunnel.

Also, I did a similar thing with persuvil who you also scumread.

So, if you believed what you’re saying, you would make that connection and vote me because I’m the common thread between the two. But you seem to be throwing shade at me while actually directly pressuring Milk more because right now he’s the guy under more pressure while I’m being fairly townread.

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Buja’s post are like everything but scumhunting I don’t get how this is still alive.

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I mean not all of them but the ratio of noise to signal is so high.

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I thought I asked you guys to let me know if BuJaber starts scumming it up?

That was done at the time of the Milk vote and hasn’t stopped.

I don’t buy theory talk, setup spec, abstract tangentially-related monologues, and a constant reminder of how protown they are playing as town-indicative believe it or not.

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VOTE: BuJ

What changed?

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So apart from rb everyone that voted me I either scumread at least once or said something unpleasant about.

Way to be objective.

I was suspicious of you before you scumread me come on now

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VOTE: Bujaber

You're townreading milk or just want to pressure different wagon? I don't see town milk, from that interaction.

Keep going

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Seeing that post makes me want to lynch Buja twice

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I think Persivul is scummy but I want him to be town because it means he didn't catch me last game because of skill or anything that I did wrong but because of his bias against the type of player I am. He just scumreads everything so might as well just flip a coin to see if Persivul is right or wrong about me next time we play.

Wow, this is really towny. Slaxx, Idk why you scumread Bu.

It’s really not.

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I don’t agree with most of your reads LB but you made me think to ISO RB and I’m struggling to remember why they were a lean town read.

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Persivul is here. He's a disrespectful player.
I checked though it's not against the rules unless he actually insults people.

policy lynch this before lylo

why do we wanna vote bujaber again

bujaber who are your top scumreads

i can't figure out whether i want to lynch persivul or bujaber

This is all feasibly S/S

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I probably would vote rb.
Not BuJaber

VOTE: RB

Let’s do a thing.

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Worth noting TTTT has found a wagon he didn’t sheep.

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VOTE: Milk

Let’s GOoooOOoo

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Tree stumps rise up

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An axe and a stump is basically a portable guillotine

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Stump stump stump stump

My lovely lady Stumps

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Donald Stump

Stump the musical

Stumping grounds

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VOTE: Buja

We can stump me first if we want I’m 90% sure this flips mafia.

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Lol

TTTT

Get on either me or Buja. Shits going down.

Buja flips scum here so often id bet my Kushy ass government retirement on it.

His thought process of “scum theater” to milk flipping town is never, ever, ever organic. Ever. He’s already prepping for my stump flip.

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Even his case for me focused more on my damn avatar then it did anything substantial from the thread

It’s absolutely asinine and I will never feel bad here on the freak odds he flips town.

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Even his case for me focused more on my damn avatar then it did anything substantial from the thread

What?

Tell me this is serious. Go on. Say the words.
Say "I slaxx, seriously believe that BuJaber msde a scum case on me based on my avatar instead of anything game related".

It is absolutely serious.

Your only game related shit is revisionist bullshit.

“I only wanted milk first because I read him independently...”

I mean come the absolute 0 degree Kelvin fuck on

Your thing on milk was scum theatre between him and I

It’s just unimaginably asinine. It never comes from town.

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VOTE: slaxx

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I’m really fucking confident on Buja-scum.

If I’m wrong I’m fine with the fact I gamethrew.

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He already set up my stump flip to lurker hint basically.


It’s such fucking BS I’m just done with it.

Yesterday it’s scum theater, today it’s well we can’t both be Town, but also here’s a couple more people to look at... you know, just in case.

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It’s more transparent than fucking Saran Wrap.

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I am 100% for pressure, but there isn't any real pressure here. What question or incident is being responded to here? If anything, we need to pressure slaxx or rb for their weird psuedo serious votes

This feels kinda LAMIST to me.

But also 5 votes on the first real wagon on the game.. that's gotta have scum on it. Like almost every game I play the first wagon that starts to look serious disappears later and someone else becomes the day 1 lynch so it's a safe vote for scum to park on.

There you go.. congratulations anyone who didn't vote for egix or is not milk.. you're town by PoE.

VOTE: Milk

How did I revise this post?

Way to cherrypick a fucking post

You were on about milk and I being scum theater for most of the day

And now you say well ONE of you has to be scum

But then you literally have a lurker lined up if you’re wrong

It’s just so unbelievably transparent

Absolutely baffling people don’t see it.

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Okay, here's my thinking.
We have to pressure slaxx for his lolhammer and self vote, but we cannot let scum use those to distract from them if they are the lurkers and I feel strongly that at least 1 is not a vocal player. I get a nagging feeling from slaxx that this could just be bad townplay. But it's very bad

Can’t call my play bad if you Buja flips scum.

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Hammer meeee

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RV This would been nice a bit ago

Pers reversal on me is concerning

Maybe (Buja/Pers/Lovebird) <-2 of those

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Buja is scum

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Cool Pers/Buja I buy it

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Being wrong as town is being bad as town.

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It happens to everyone. Doesn’t mean you’re a bad player.

But it means you had a bad game.

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I think rb is town here, Vedith town, Egix less for sure on.

Pers/Buja is still fine.

Lovebird is null. TTTT is... playing the game I guess.

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Egix/TTTT/Lovebird then

We could probably do associatives to figure out which one is least likely scum.

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If we are lucky it will be.

I saw this same abstract tangential stuff from Buj-scum last game. I don’t have a handle on his town game though so whatever. All the posts feel like they’re bad faith arguments or LAMIST though. And the fact he’s been suspected since D1 but we can’t seem to get the town to coalesce around his lynch is +S

Partly my fault I guess

Woops

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True

I think rb’s skepticism of Vedith claim might actually be a bit +T

It could be faked easily but usually if there wasn’t a CC plan it would be more scum natural to accept it

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Noting Buja has said has come from good faith.

Like if you’re town I’m probably just going to start cursing nuns and letting prisoners handle my 401k because my moral compass is pointed at south.

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What are you even saying

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Yeah kinda like the scum theater thing you concocted on the two confirmed townies

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I think I’ve used a line like this before

But engaging with you is like engaging with someone about their favorite pizza and they use astrology and particle physics to explain it

It’s just I can’t even keep up

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Oh god shouldn’t this be over

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Buja is still scum.

His thing about wanting to save RC for a later read when it’s essentially lylo and RC replaced someone with plenty of content is lol

It’s still Pers slot/Buja.

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The police force has left the town

Copout.

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Is it over

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Oh... the mod flipped me wrong

I was the fire fighter, it’s why I hammered D1 without a claim

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Wait I was being sarcastic

I thought that was evident

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Whoops

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Fitting end to this game tbh

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Okay

It’s Egix

If it’s RC then boo on him for not putting us out of our misery yesterday.

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Town Egix is more solvey in lylo. He had a better endgame play in Schadds mini.

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My reads were super wrong all game oh well.

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I still think Buja played how I’d expect scum to play but live and learn. I don’t think it’s him now.

That post about it being scum theater and then it being one of two and then it being lurkers was just ugh

BUT, if he’s town that’s technically correct although he pooled like half the player list in that POE so maybe not impressive

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Another game where TW sees me have bad reads.

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I had a good run.

But it’s been a while.

I do suck!

How freeing.

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Now I don’t need to pretend to be good to keep up appearances.