In post 1296, Joan of Arc wrote:And so, go ahead, lynch me for daring to suggest that our wincon should be more important than individual pride and stubborness. Throw your reads away. mastina's reads are the only valid ones, as was proven time and time again. And I was there when some people decided to throw a game because they were too stubborn.
She was wrong about me on D1, I know that for a fact. Why should I trust her
So uif she ends up being right, do you (and everyone else who thinks she is wrong) agree to put 'mastina is a scumhunting God' in your signatures once the game is over?
Am I allowed to be exempt if I'm actually scum since I'd be saying what I'm saying as scum?
Also, I don't use signatures... and I have them disabled, so anyone who uses them I don't even see anyways lol.
mastina has evolved into a lean town read after comparing her day 1 play to the now flipped Vedith, but that doesn't mean she is right about her reads.
In post 1321, Joan of Arc wrote:But if you'd rather lose than listen to her, that's fine too., provided you accept that you're at fault instead of trying to shift blame somewhere else.
If she's right I'll take the blame. But if she's wrong? Then YOU get the blame.
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
In post 1323, Joan of Arc wrote:And also admit that you would rather lose the game than lose your stupid pride.
I don't really have pride in my reads. I DO have a certain tolerance level for bullshit which you have surpassed however.
Like, I'm fine with letting mastina do her thing. I'm NOT fine with you spewing vitriol all over trying to force people to accept mastina's reads as the One True Solve.
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
So uif she ends up being right, do you (and everyone else who thinks she is wrong) agree to put 'mastina is a scumhunting God' in your signatures once the game is over?
mastina may or may not be wrong.
YOU are 100% wrong.
But sure why the fuck not.
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
In post 1323, Joan of Arc wrote:And also admit that you would rather lose the game than lose your stupid pride.
I don't really have pride in my reads. I DO have a certain tolerance level for bullshit which you have surpassed however.
Like, I'm fine with letting mastina do her thing. I'm NOT fine with you spewing vitriol all over trying to force people to accept mastina's reads as the One True Solve.
So in other words, you'd rather lose the game than accept her reads as correct.
Spoiler: Singletonkings 1312, spoilered to avoid walling
In post 1257, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Let's do some freeform stream of consciousness type review of BNL's play, instead of that post by post bullshit I tend to do, way too much work and tags and
Significant facts known about BNL/BNL's role: Mastina has claimed to be "informed" about BNL's alignment, BNL has claimed miller, and specifically stated that he "investigates unfavorably" to alignment checks, which should mean that trackers and such will return true results on his slot.
Enters thread with the miller claim and votes dunnstral, questions mello the townread they consider giving dunnstral(valid question), townreads clemency based on the way he claimed, didn't dodge my question about his miller but asked for elaboration, scumreads Morality based on entrance, then questions morality questioning his miller claim, notes difference between NxM's posting and expected posting, doesn't find them verbose enough/as willing to explain their reads as town!them, but admits no knowledge of scum!nxm, declares strict townreads on clemency, dunnstral, torque, C&Y, and gamma, questions vedith wagon(which is 3/5 comprised of his town reads, questioning is just asking for information so probably nai?),walks back scumread of morality, explains belief that an entrance based off what someone else has said is scummy(need to check all other players entrances to see if he should have also suspected others for the same reason), also suspected him because the timing of his miller commentary felt like "overjustification"
(ask more?)
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I felt like it was overjustification because it was when Morality turned on me, people stopped discussing the miller, and it felt like "People may townread BNL for this, let's shut down this reasoning" to accompany the scumread
and starts to fear it's a TvT
(why? no reason given for the fear, just an expression of uncertainty that they are scum(which is pretty shitty given that they were willing to vote them off basically nothing, and morality wasn't at risk of being lynched....)
Didn't I explain I thought some of later Morality's posts felt like town, particularly how he got back into the thread?
so unvotes, questions mastina on claimed scumread of vedith and pink ball without willingness to vote them, then doubts that voting mastina is a good idea(after people start voting her), explains dunnstral townread goes back to 66(a suggestion that A50 could just as easily be scum explaining lurking in channels as town trying to prevent town from being stupid as they are inclined to do),notes a decision to ignore my request to confirm or deny mastina's(at this point abandoned) mason claim with him because of a concern that it unnecessarily gives scum information,moves morality to townlead from null(I guess?) based on 296, agrees with mastina with regards to wisdoms posting being lackluster, disagrees about kokichi head, declares a sheep of townreads on S&J for creatures meta(when in fact people were SCUMREADING S&J for creatures meta),
1047 is a strict "not scum" sort of reads list, elaboration would be nice,
Toog was because of his later claim. Clemency was because the way he approaced his miller claim.
The rest were gut. Everyone I crossed off was a townread of confortable strength
dislikes Drixx, finds Pink Ball more likely town than scum, but doesn't have much an opinion of Vedith or PB, but warns people of voting Vedith because he's always weird, agrees with S&J about fluffiness of my posts, expresses extra dislike of Drixx for disappearing after responding to his post, votes Drixx(starts the push that leads to 4 quick votes), and thinks gamma is unlikely to be scum, asks for cases, indicating a weakness in terms of certainty in his previous list(which showed gamma as not a possible lynch), finds NxM scummy for saying it's fine to lynch Vedith even if he's town(fair, but he WAS defending scum), says Toog's claimed role of dying to any targeting effect N2 seems town(I mean, it's definitely not a scum role, but I don't see it as being outside the realm of possibility for a scum fake claim), finds Drixx not staying and engaging even though he claimed to be "lost" to be scummy, refuses to vote Gamma or Mastina, floats voting NxM, admits to not knowing why they're townreading mastina besides thinking posts were fairly towny
(elaborate?> what makes the posts town?)
, questioned NxM about their assumption that Mastina was lying about NxM's scum meta, rather than just being wrong, questions PB calling gamma's vote a scumclaim and calls vedith's role town, asks for case on mastina, calls out a clear problem with scum!Vedith's claim(if no day talk, almost certainly town indicative...if day talk, NAI), thinks I am possible scum for asking Vedith details about how their role functions(One of which, had they answered, would have given the flipped town doctor STRONG evidence that they needed to counterclaim(which you totally did preemptively but we were short on time so I forgive you Drixx), expresses a SUPER strong townread of gamma, and that mastina is less of a townread than gamma at this point
(why?)
Mastina is a read I really have trouble explaining. I just had a gut feeling about mastina feeling town. I can't really justify it further.
Gamma was because he made a string of posts that seems mildly town motivated which NxM proceeded to call town and I sheeoed that read.
@BNL: Please respond to the concerns that are bolded/in a larger font. Most notably, please elaborate on how your reads list thingie was constructed, and how people so easily moved onto/off it, so I can know whether or not your reads actually mean anything, as well as your gamma read and where the strength in it comes from.
Overall reads like town I would say. No internal inconsistencies, except for the weird decision to unvote morality with no intentions of voting elsewhere/they were not under pressure/with no reason why they had suddenly stopped being a suspect.
Mastina+BnL are extremely unlikely to be scum together.
(I apologize for the disgusting mess of a post I don't think I'll ever do this again it's basically unreadable).
-Yukiteru
Also this entire post feels like a grab for towncred rather than actual sorting
So Morality's post questioning your miller claim felt like overjustification for the scumread he had expressed on you a couple of posts prior? Even though he is explicitly stating there that he's not actually scumreading you for that particular aspect of your play? I guess I can sort of see how, due to temporal proximity, those things felt contingent upon one another. Did you have any thoughts/responses with regards to Morality's expectation of expertise on your part with regards to his scum play?
Next point: Fair point; to be more precise you stated you had never before seen him act the way he did when defending his suspicion of you, and that pushed him more to a townlean. Please refer to my previous question re: your expertise on Morality's scum play.
Next point: Understood. Gut townreads of comfortable strength on the people crossed off in 1047, save for Toog and Clemency, which were purely role claim/method of role claim reads.
Next: Mastina is gut, okay. Which Gamma posts were the string that seemed mldly town motivated to you? How strong is your NxM read, and what is the basis of that read?
Finally: Fair. *shrug* I can see why you'd feel that way given that I didn't bother actually playing/following up on things D1, so you expect this to just be dropped like shit was yesterday.
Don't worry though, the plan is to make myself a threat today so scum have to decide whether they trust mastina to be good enough at getting people lynched to leave me alone. (Not sure that'll actually happen because I do kind of want to enjoy my weekend, but we'll see!)
@Morality: I'd like some more information about your initial feelings on the BnL/singletonking slot. You said a push(which was on you) felt forced, but everything you proceeded to say about the slot just indicated that they were actually effectively null. Where is the slot at now for you, what's changed that matters for you(if anything has)? I understand that at *some point* you came up with what was effectively BoP reasoning for the suspicion on singletonking(That is, you knew BnL had recent experience with your scum play and expected them to see clear differences between your play in those games and in this game); what I'd like to know is what posts made that BoP reasoning come into play for you. Similarly, if you should flip an alignment opposed to singletonkings read on you, should we be lynching them due to that failure?
-Yukiteru
Hydra of Amzela(Yuno) and Cerberus v666(Yukiteru)
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@Joan: At what point in the game are we basing placing this addendum in our signatures on? Is it her reads RIGHT THIS MOMENT, or her reads throughout the game, or her reads of previously flipped individuals? IF the 2nd, is it just "if she's more right than wrong" or "she has to be 95% right"?
Because I would argue that she was 1) wrong on vedith(not enough strength in her suspicion of the slot to give her any credit), 2) and is wrong on my slot, so.......
I'd be totally willing to take this bet, knowing that I will win.
<3
-Yukiteru
Hydra of Amzela(Yuno) and Cerberus v666(Yukiteru)
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I already see how this would go. By not listening to her, you would cause another game loss and pretend it never happened.
And sure, I'll take the blame if she is wrong. But if SU2 mafia thought me everything, it's that if she is right, you would make excuse after excuse as to why you didn't sheep her or trust her reads. People are selfish creatures who would rather die than admit they were wrong.
p-edit: her reads throughout the game. The results would be checked at endgame, however.
Oh, I'd also like to establish that I'm pretty content sheeping mastina's scumreads overall, mainly because I don't really ever see people actually do that, and where I might be inclined to disregard someone's reads because they're so off about me...this is mastina, and I knew signing up(I even told my other head this!) that she would automatically be scumreading my slot; therefore, I'm comfortable just ignoring that and what I would normally think it says about her accuracy.
Next....I read another iso. Not sure which one.
-Yukiteru
Hydra of Amzela(Yuno) and Cerberus v666(Yukiteru)
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Those were the exact words you said in SU2, so.....
Joan, you know that's what literally anyone says in that situation, and moreover you know that *I*, of all people, am not caught by saying things that are especially different from what I would say as town...so such a simple comparison doesn't exactly mean anything.
-Yukiteru
Hydra of Amzela(Yuno) and Cerberus v666(Yukiteru)
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In post 1156, Drixx wrote:Given that I’m counterclaiming a ramping doctor role, you all should definitely look at the shit wagon that tried to go on me 24 hours ago after I’m dead.
In post 1156, Drixx wrote:Given that I’m counterclaiming a ramping doctor role, you all should definitely look at the shit wagon that tried to go on me 24 hours ago after I’m dead.
you mean this?
you're taking this quite literally
~Near
No one here knows Drixx even a fraction as well as I do.
He meant this literally.
He meant that he suspects there was scum impetus behind the push, but he did not have the time to look for it himself before end of day.
-Yukiteru
Hydra of Amzela(Yuno) and Cerberus v666(Yukiteru)
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and even if he seriously meant it he definitely didnt mean "iso each one of them and question all their posts" but more "consider these people are possible scum"
so what you're doing feels silly at best and an excuse to look busy at worst
Those were the exact words you said in SU2, so.....
Joan, you know that's what literally anyone says in that situation, and moreover you know that *I*, of all people, am not caught by saying things that are especially different from what I would say as town...so such a simple comparison doesn't exactly mean anything.
-Yukiteru
So by your own admission, you're not town simply because you say you are.
(Not sure that'll actually happen because I do kind of want to enjoy my weekend, but we'll see!)