Booneytoonz IX - Under The Sea -- Game Over!

[Nancy Drew 39]

So the roleblocker is either pink ball or a fake miller?

That would mostly likely be who Elsa was protecting.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Alchemist21 - Miller
Chara - Miller

Nero Cain - Miller

BBmolla - Miller
Nancy Drew 39 - Miller

Nikk - VT

Pink Ball - VT
Kaito Momota - VT or Goon

Elsa Jay - Goon

Firebringer - Informed Goon

Maki Harukawa - Desperate Neighborizer

Clemency - 2shot Multitasking Doctor/

Roleblocker

Jingle - Willbooster

Wisdom - Rolecop
Creature - Backup Rolecop

Clemency was scumreading you, so he is probably the one who roleblocked you. Occams razor. There probably isn’t any scum roleblocker.

[Nancy Drew 39]

although, if jingle really is a town willbooster, then there is a scum rb

I think we need to wait for Clemency to confirm whether or not he’s the one who roleblocked you. If yes. then I think probably not.

The thing is we don’t really know what Vedith/Fire was really informed about. The whole miller thing was probably not it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

There probably isn’t any scum roleblocker.

there either has to be a scum roleblocker or Wisdom is fakeclaiming.

I never said there wasn’t any roleblocker. I think most likely explaination was Clemency who roleblocked Wisdom. I think Creature would claim aesetic, if he was.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Clem is dead....

Clemency was killed in the night![/color]

Spoiler: What was he?

Town Multitasking Two-Shot Doctor Two-Shot Roleblocker

Day 5 begins with a deadline of (expired on 2019-03-02 07:00:00).

Makes sense scum would kill the doc.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The thing is we don’t really know what Vedith/Fire was really informed about. The whole miller thing was probably not it.

the miller thing was definitely it. that's the reason we lynched him, remember?

The whole miller thing was probably not it.

i agree.

Yes, that was the reason we lynched him, because he was obviously lying, Everyone aleady knew about the millers at the time Fire claimed. So, I’m calling bs on that.

IG was informed about something else.

[Nancy Drew 39]

creature wouldnt claim ascetic at this point because it would be a scumclaim

Creature is probably town. I think Clem roleblocked you because he probably thought you were scum role cop bussing. It’s obvious, you were one of his, if not the strongest scumread of his.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes, that was the reason we lynched him, because he was obviously lying, Everyone aleady knew about the millers at the time Fire claimed.

There was miscommunication then, because the reason I pushed him was not that he was lying, but that while I believed his claim, knowing about the millers made sense for scum and not town.

Yes but I think that isn’t what he was really informed about, because like everyone has been saying, it made no sense because millers claim right away and as I’ve already said, Fire knew this at the time of his claim, so Vedith/Fire is likely the scum PR and that makes me more convinced that I’m right about Kaito being Vedith’s buddy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

creature wouldnt claim ascetic at this point because it would be a scumclaim

Creature is probably town. I think Clem roleblocked you because he probably thought you were scum role cop bussing. It’s obvious, you were one of his, if not the strongest scumread of his.

how likely is it that clem still had a rb shot on n4 though? He was 2-shot

No one else but you has claimed roleblock so far, so very likely.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, I don't think you are getting it. I agree that Clem prob blocked Wisdom but Wisdom is claiming he was blocked so that either means there is ANOTHER roleblocker or Wisdom is scum.

I don’t see that. I think Clem RBing Wisdom makes total sense and why does scum!Wisdom ever kill Clem here?

He was trying to push him as Elsa’s buddy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maybe Jingle targeted Clem thinking Clem still had a doctor shot and the scumteam would kill Wisdom and maybe roleblock Clem?

We’ll see what he claims. I think Kaito is probably scum and should be the next lynch but if game doesn’t end. then maybe there is another PR but I wouldn’t assume it necessarily has to be roleblocker.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i think the scum here is you, creature

Why does Creature kill Clem then? Clem doc’d him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Fwiw, I have never seen Creature fakeckaim anything as scum. I rolled scum with Creature in Heroes. Creature was terrified to even post in our scum PT during the day, for fear of slipping,

[Nancy Drew 39]

What if its a Wisdom/Katio team and he's just been bussing his team this whole time?

But why does scum!Wisdom waste an NK on someone he was trying to lynch? Wouldn’t it make way more sense to kill someone he’s confitowned?

[Nancy Drew 39]

heres an alternative explanation

jingle is this boon bank role

Every night, you may target a player. You will force that player to commute, meaning any actions performed by or targeting your target will fail. If your target is not aligned with town, you will also commute during the night. You will not be informed of this. If you were to be roleblocked, your action will not go through.

and he targeted creature or me

Could definitely be.

[Nancy Drew 39]

though just b/c Creature hasn't fakeclaimed b4 doesn't mean he couldn't

Not as scum. You need to read Heroes’s scum PT, if you haven’t already. Scum!Creature would be way too terrified of slipping, to try to pull that off.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ok I'm done, this is no place for a cute pink ball like me. Tell me what you guys decide and I'll sheep. I'm inclined to scum!Creature for now

No, we are not lynching town!Creature.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy dont be so absolute. creature is almost certainly scum here

Nah, Creature can’t pull off this ISO as scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

youre underestimating him

what has he done that he cant do as scum?

C’mon Wisdom, you’re starting to worry me here. Heroes’ Wanted is Creature’s best scumgame to date and he was at numerous time, frozen in it. I think Kaito is probably scum here and Creature is an obvious mislynch - one I will fight you on.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what you townreading creature for?

it's his basic tell with the caveat of him being disinterested. he fluffs a lot as either alignment but his lackadaisical posting here isn't scum Creature trying to avoid commenting on the game, i think. his digs are especially town-Creature as they're game-related.

Aha! What do you know, scum!Fire is questioning Chara’s Creature townread. Yet another Chara/Nancy mindmeld. \o/

[Nancy Drew 39]

sigh

ignore meta for a second and look at the setup, can you?

kaito is not scum or at the very least not the only remaining scum given the claims

argue for jingle-scum if you want but not kaito

Why is Kaito town? I don’t see it.

I am not interested in lynching either Creature or sheep. Why didn’t Kaito vote Vedith and keep his highly suspicious, unexplained vote on sheep?

[Nancy Drew 39]

sigh

ignore meta for a second and look at the setup, can you?

kaito is not scum or at the very least not the only remaining scum given the claims

argue for jingle-scum if you want but not kaito

Why is Kaito town? I don’t see it.

I am not interested in lynching either Creature or

Jingle

/sheep. Why didn’t Kaito vote Vedith and keep his highly suspicious, unexplained vote on sheep?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Kaito

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Kaito is probably scum here

No can do, scum roleblocker is probable

Wisdom roleblock can be explained by both Clem and Jingle’s role.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why is Kaito town? I don’t see it.

for the nth time, scum don't just have an informed and two goons against all these prs.

even if you think it's kaito, tell me who the fourth is.

Well obviously one of the unconfirmed vts or millers, would be my best guess, if there’s 4. Who were Elsa and Fire pushing? That will probably help eliminate them from the POE.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The only ones who can be that are Pink and FA/Molla.

I’m leaning FA/Molla over PB. FA is not acting like she did in Heroes. She’s missing that hard edge she usually has as town. She also replaced out as scum in Excalibur and her being the first claimed miller, would line up with what Fire claimed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Is it possible to have multiple of the same role in this setup?

I am also a Miller.

first miller claimers are nearly always town. the later the claim happened the less credible it is since mafia will jump in when they see a lot of millers claiming

If Wisdom is right about Fire’s claim, then molla/FA is definitely not clear.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Chara is playing conservative. I have issues reading him.

Pink keeps posting about maki vs me - and it started to feel like they are trying to pocket me

fire bringer is lost and null with no stance in game - pretty distant from anything that is happening in game.

If I was scum I would wish to be in his place here

.

Still unsure about kaito

Possible scumslip?

[Nancy Drew 39]

agreed, I think Pink is pretty town.

I’m okay with a molla/FA lynch.

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: BBmolla

I actually thought FA’s ISO was pretty scummy but with Fire miller info, 1st miller claim doesn’t town confirm that slot.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Chara is playing conservative. I have issues reading him.

Pink keeps posting about maki vs me - and it started to feel like they are trying to pocket me

fire bringer is lost and null with no stance in game - pretty distant from anything that is happening in game.

If I was scum I would wish to be in his place here

.

Still unsure about kaito

Possible scumslip?

i dont get it

If FA is scum, then she knows Fire is her buddy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what is your opinion on jingle not saving me from the block

i dont believe youve commented on that

As PB pointed out, he could have been trying to save Clem and maybe molla is roleblocker?

I think we should wait to see what Jingle is saying, since I tr sheep.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i quite doubt that because a) Clem was unlikely to have shots left on N4 and b) Jingle thinks highly of me and would choose me over Clem

I think sheep is townier than FA. Why does scum!Jingle claim willibooster?

Think about it. If Fire is informed about Millers, then they had that info for a reason and I know I’m town miller and Nero is confirmed.

It may be just coincidence but then I don’t think this town!FA here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why not? There is only one boon bank role, if Jingle has it he can safely claim a boon bank role

I want to hear Jingle’s explanation since I hard townread sheep.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Think about it. If Fire is informed about Millers, then they had that info for a reason and I know I’m town miller and Nero is confirmed.

As for this, we already went over it yesterday. Yes, the purpose of information is so one of them can fakeclaim a miller. That doesn't mean they actually did it. Gamma won't hold their hand and tell them "claim a miller".

I already told you, it’s a combination of both.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Jingle, I’m trying to decide between molla and Kaito. I feel fairly confident that molla subbed into a scum!FA slot and Kaito left a fast unexplained vote on you and I think he could be scum here.

Creature is obvtown
and I’m also townreading Wisdom and PB and Nero is IC.

[Nancy Drew 39]

sheepsaysmeep- Willbooster
Nero Cain- confirmed miller (miller is only town in normal, right?)
Pink Ball- VT?
Kaito Momota- conftown VT?
Wisdom- RC
Nancy Drew 39- Miller
Creature- Backup RC
BBmolla- VT?

Is that right?

No, molla/FA claimed miller. How is Kaito confitown’d anything but vanilla?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm not gonna consider the hypothesis Clem roleblocked Wisdom because likely he didn't.

Why are you so certain about that? Clem was hard scumreading Wisdom?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nikk - Vanilla Townie
Alchemist21 - Town Miller
Elsa Jay - Mafia Goon
Chara - Town Miller
Maki Harukawa - Town Desperate Neighborizer


So power here is

Willbooster
3?x Miller
? VT
RC
Backup RC
Roleblocker/Doc
Friendly Neighbor

IG
G
?

RC can get 4 hard innos, 1? hard guilty. Roughly the same as a tracker. Roleblocker and doc on the same person is > than each separately. Backup RC seems weird given the lack of important results from the RC. RC is probably going to target millers early so why backup?

If there's no scum rb I'm probably a negative utility town role.

Why are you guys thinking 4 scum? Town doesn't look that stacked to me.

Elsa WIFOM’d about a traitor, implying a 4th.

[Nancy Drew 39]

oh, 7 flips. Gamma hasn't added yesterday's and last night. Still tho, when did a kill go missing?

No one died in the night? Alright.

Day 3 begins with a deadline of (expired on 2019-02-22 09:55:00).

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ehh, this is fine anyway. Might as well bail out while I can. Lead Town to victory, Clem. I know you can do it.

My teammates are [Redacted] and [Redacted]. I wish them luck.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

PS: Too the Traitor: Yeah, we're informed you exist. So just do whatever your doing and try not to get shot by us. Considering this is probably the only time you get open communication with the main scum team, I feel likes it's good for you too know.

I was promised Ariel and Mermaids but all I got was a grumpy Barnacle in Wisdom.

I want my money back.

If Elsa wasn’t actually lying about a traitor, then we won’t find any associatives.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: jingle

oh, 7 flips. Gamma hasn't added yesterday's and last night. Still tho, when did a kill go missing?

I’m voting molla or Kaito.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What was FB's information claim?

That there’s millers in the setup and FA ISO reads scummy to me. Gun to head, this isn’t town!FA we’re seeing here. If FA is traitor, it would make sense that wouldn’t find any associatives.

[Nancy Drew 39]

the lynch was always between jingle and creature though

scum have a pr nancy

Yes, and it’s probably molla/FA.

She isn’t town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why molla? I can usually read him pretty well, maybe I can figure that out.

How about FA? Her ISO is pinging me and I only ignored because of the alleged miller clear. But Vedith scum, changes all that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why hunt traitor over groupscum?

I want to lynch scum and if there’s a second scum PR, my money’s on molla/FA.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm pretty sure I've played with FA before, but can't rightly recall when. :shrugs:

I had a gut scumread on her but I convinced myself I had to be wrong because I ruled out all of the miller claims but I’ve played with town!FA and I don’t believe this is it. Something’s really off about her posts.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i wont be listened to but jingle is scum enchantress and blocked me

that explains all

Enchantress

Every night, you may target a player. You will force that player to commute, meaning any actions performed by or targeting your target will fail. If your target is not aligned with town, you will also commute during the night. You will not be informed of this. If you were to be roleblocked, your action will not go through.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I have two pieces of information related to my role pm on the game. one of them is extremely redundant at this point (millers exist!).

the other is only slightly useful if someone tries to fake claim it because I know it doesn't exist.

So scum was told that a certain role isn’t in the setup but we don’t know that’s willibooster.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It wasn't as boring what I was shitposting and joking around with everyone, was it?

Sorry, Jay but it was as boring back then too.

I have a list of people I have slight or big concerns about but they are not talking or engaging the thread at all (you are included)

the list is maki (probably the only person I can call scummy in the list the rest are just wierd), kaito (there are posts and all are game related but I don't see any engagement or fire), wisdom, you (just cause you're refusing to call yourself town even as a joke and deliberately trying to make reading you harder), nakkii (something about the post he voted wisdom feels artificial maybe I feel like that since that post has a lot of other names in it and I don't get how he ended on wisdom)

there are a bunch of other people. I can't even remember them all >.>

tldr; I demand some firework in this thread. Engage more/post game related/Try to make people town read you instead of doing what you're doing rn.

UNVOTE:

[Nancy Drew 39]

in order for clem to block me he would have to go through both n2 and n3 without using his block

we know he used both a block and a doc on n1 and that he used a doc on n3

so he would have to do absolutely nothing on n2

who the fuck does that when you can wake up dead having wasted the chance to use your powers

This is Clem, ISO him in theRoomOdds and you’ll see how he was so easy mislynchbait.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah sorry for making sense creature i wont do it again

i will just blindly sheep whoever nancy meta reads instead

Great idea

@Wisdom, scum may well have a PR but not necessarily a rb. Yes, Clem really is this bad. Why did he doc Creature over Chara?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Fwiw, I have never seen Creature fakeckaim anything as scum. I rolled scum with Creature in Heroes. Creature was terrified to even post in our scum PT during the day, for fear of slipping,

If he’s scum he’s a scum backup

The only flipped scum PR is Vedith, so I’m probably right (for numerous reasons) that Creature is town here. He just isn’t that good at faking this kind of play as scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Creature is likely scum backup RC designed to find the traitor.

Still surprised someone thinks scum backup rolecop for town rolecop would make sense.

Unless this setup is bastard, Creature can only backup the same alignment, so molla unvote Creature.

[Nancy Drew 39]

“Backup is an acceptable modifier under Normal guidelines on mafiascum.net, both with and without its primary role present. Nurse and Deputy are acceptable names for Backup Doctor and Backup Cop, although they are not required.”

Zero mention of what your saying

Scum being backup to town has never ever been bastard

Since when?

Gamma was backup town odd? night mailman in YGM and was confitown due to Cakes’ flip.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Backup is an acceptable modifier under Normal guidelines on mafiascum.net, both with and without its primary role present

This doesn’t say anything about alignment.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Universal Backups are not necessarily self-aware; they may learn they are a Universal Backup when they inherit an ability.

Universal Backups are generally Town-aligned, as in Mafia hands they make games become very swingy depending on what role they pick up.

Variations
The term "power role" is somewhat ambiguous - generally anything that is not truly Vanilla is considered a "power role", including roles like Miller. It is ultimately up to the moderator's discretion which abilities are inheritable, though it should be planned in advance.

Normal Guidelines
Universal Backup (if self-aware) is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Universal Backup can be of any alignment, but it should only activate upon the first death of a power role of their own alignment. A power role in this case is any role that is not Vanilla (so not a Vanilla Townie or a Mafia Goon). Universal Backups inherit any and all modifiers, including the remaining shots of an X-Shot role.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Creature claim

Backup rolecop

hence why I didn't doubt your claim at any moment specially when you got a weird PoE.

Why does scum!Creature claim this?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Deputy
(Redirected from Backup Cop)
Deputy
Alias:
Retired Cop
Alignment:

Pro-town

Role type:
Informative
Linked
Support
Choice:
Night
Notes: linked to Cop
A Deputy is a flavor name for a Backup Cop. Once a Cop has died, the Deputy will become an ordinary Cop (the flavor logic being that the Deputy steps up to replace the deceased Cop). The Deputy may or may not be self-aware (if not, they will receive a Vanilla Townie Role PM). Occasionally a self-aware Deputy is called a Retired Cop.

This role does not necessarily make any guarantee about the existence of a Cop in the setup to begin with. If there is no Cop, this role is effectively a Named Townie. On the other hand, if there are multiple Cops in the setup, the Deputy will traditionally inherit the sanity of the first deceased Cop.

This role is virtually always pro-Town.

This version of Deputy, and only this version of Deputy, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

Variations
An older variant is that the Deputy can choose to 'retrieve' the results of a dead Cop's investigations instead of becoming a full Cop. If there is more than one Cop, the deputy usually can only get the results of one of the Cop's investigations, so they must choose wisely when and on whom to use their ability.

Use and Power
A Deputy is used to ensure that the Cop role stays in the game even if the first person holding the role dies. To that end, it is vaguely similar in power to giving a Cop one shot of death immunity. This is fairly good for Town; so Deputy is not often seen except in games with variable sanity, Cop-themed games, or in games with no Cop at all.

If there is no Cop in the game, the Deputy is essentially a Named Townie

. Use of a Deputy with no Cop in the game is often considered to be bastard modding.

[Nancy Drew 39]

but if creat is scum backup rolecop he can't be responsible for Wis rb

Exactly, as long as Wisdom is alive, Creature is just a named townie.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy creature and jingle cant be both town in this setup. You need to understand this.

How certain are you of molla/FA town?

Because I don’t believe Creature can be scum here. This is just totally out of his scumrange.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy creature and jingle cant be both town in this setup. You need to understand this.

I think we are

Like, assuming he's actually a backup rolecop he's conftown to me, actually.

@Wisdom, why does scum!Jingle defend Creature here?

Like the whole informed scum thing, points to a possible fakeclaiming miller. I don’t think you can rule out molla/FA as scum here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy creature and jingle cant be both town in this setup. You need to understand this.

How certain are you of molla/FA town?

Because I don’t believe Creature can be scum here. This is just totally out of his scumrange.

i dont care about what you think people's scumrange are

look at the setup

we dont have all these town roles

Creature is town. Scum!Creature is frozen. But go ahead and continue to insult my accurate metaread on him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

sigh i wanna cry we are going to repeat the same things forever

Why are you so certain molla/FA is town? How many times, do I have to repeat this question?

[Nancy Drew 39]

rolecop + backup rolecop + maki + clem against 3 goons + enchantress

balanced enough

Vedith/Fire wasn’t a goon. he was informed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Just wanted to remind you guys that Creature made a townbloc on D1 and he scumread sheep sincr a long time ago. Hopefully this helps to solve who is scum

why so passive

who do you think is scum

My heart says Creature, but my brain says Jingle. I don't trust my heart, he's a whiny little bitch

You need heart surgery. You respect my reads right? Well trust me on that Creature is never scum in this game. I don’t gaf what Wisdom says about the setup, Creature is obvtown here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Then vote jingle nancy.

If he flips green, it’s molla and if game doesn’t end, Kaito. Creature is 99.99999% sure a mislynch here. I don’t want a Starcraft 2 redux, where Creature slot got mislynched, despite my having him as locktown - same as here. Scum could kill me tonight and I don’t want my Creature read ignored, just because I might not be here to defend it.

I had Creature slot as my #1 town in that game and town stupidly disregarded it after I got NK’d. I don’t want that happening here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah yeah we get it. now vote jingle

VOTE: Jingle

Fine but if you guys ignore my Creature read, I’ll be screaming at you all in dead chat.

[Nancy Drew 39]

also nancy youre still in your own little world

as if you will ever die over me

Scum knows I won’t let a Creature mislynch happen.

[Nancy Drew 39]

if you want my opinion on who the goon is, pink ball currently is much more scummy than both molla and kaito

How?

God, I hope you’re right about scum killing you first, because you’re going to lose us the damn game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Townreads so far:
Frozen Angel

Sheepsaysmeep
Davesaz

Creature

Firebringer

Huh what?

fa take a step back for a second

you should know that really creature doesnt engage you like this as wolf

Thanks for the defense, but not buying the pocketing.

Clemency
davesaz
Chara
Pinkball
and me

hmm, we need three more.

What is this list?

The townlist.

Clemency
davesaz
Chara
Pinkball
and me

hmm, we need three more.

Add sheep!!

No.

sheep is scum btw

If I die tonight, follow my legacy.

I talked about this, Wisdom. My gut says Creature for how he began posting this day, but my mind reminded me of how Creature was playing on D1 and it seems pretty obvious that he's town. He asks Alchemist about his townreads on a flipped scum and sheep, he doesn't include any of the flipped scums into his townpool and keeps saying sheep is scum.

If you never vote Creature, I don’t see any reason for Wisdom sr you over Kaito/molla.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Clemency
davesaz
Chara

Pinkball
and me

hmm, we need three more.

Creature has gotten 3/5 right so far, so I say we sheep HIM over Wisdom.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Creature has gotten 3/5 right so far

Four if you include me

Right.

And I’m mindmelding with you on PB. I think sheep probably was being deliberately scummy in MBoS, to throw us off in this game but on reread, it looks like he could be just replicating his towngame. So, he’s just gotten better at eliminating the blatant scumtells he had in MBoS and in every other game that I’ve played with him as scum.

Town!sheep has extremely strong convictions. But I wasn’t impressed with Jingle’s entrance. I mean it obviously beats Vedith’s but then, he was open wolfing.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Creature has gotten 3/5 right so far, so I say we sheep HIM over Wisdom.

you are kidding me, right? I got Elsa AND Vedith lynched on my own.

Creature wasn’t town!reading Fire iirc. Okay, you definitely deserve credit for those but you are wrong on PB being scum here.

If either Jingle/molla flip doesn’t end the game, it’s Kaito.

I think Kaito has way more scum equity than molla, fwiw.

But first you try to push obvtown Creature and pretty damn townie PB, so yes, lynching either of them, is going to lose us the game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I talked about this, Wisdom. My gut says Creature for how he began posting this day, but my mind reminded me of how Creature was playing on D1 and it seems pretty obvious that he's town. He asks Alchemist about his townreads on a flipped scum and sheep, he doesn't include any of the flipped scums into his townpool and keeps saying sheep is scum.

ok, why is jingle scum?

Because you said it was between Creature and Jingle. I have no bigger reasoning behind that. The theory of Fire knowing about the Millers and FA fakeckaiming Miller is the one I most like, but you said that one of Creature and Jingle is lying about their role.

Even if Jingle were to flip green, Creature is not lying. He got Dave slot right even before Wisdom checked him and since Wisdom’s role is best for confirming millers, why doesn’t he check molla or me and waste his investigate on Creature?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy
Nero
Creature
Wisdom
Pink Ball
molla
Kaito
Jingle

[Nancy Drew 39]

They can. I've been blindly sheeping you and I have been pretty explicit about that. Why are you concerned now?

molla and kaito have their own thoughts
you're just sheeping
if i turn out to be wrong youre the most likely to be scum profiting off my mistakes

Dunn(Kaito) also had his own thoughts in Excalibur -

scum

thoughts.

And first he leaves that drive by vote on sheep and now he just pockets you.

If Jingle flips red, Kaito is definitely his partner.

Vedith’s and PB’s interaction read non-partnery to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If either Jingle/molla flip doesn’t end the game, it’s Kaito.

I think Kaito has way more scum equity than molla, fwiw.

But first you try to push obvtown Creature and pretty damn townie PB, so yes, lynching either of them, is going to lose us the game.

you're free to explain to me what role can Molla has that will balance the scumteam against all the town prs

No one who you’ve not investigated is mechanically clear, right? Other than by play. I decided to vote Jingle because he looks worse than molla and I locktowned Creature.

On reassessing, considering both you and Creature are mindmelding on Jingle, if the game doesn’t end, then Kaito is probably the last scum.

His unexplained sheep vote when he knew sheep was never going to be lynched over Vedith, was scummy af.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I want to lynch Creature now 'cause it feels like Wisdom is going to mislynch me tomorrow if Jingle flips green, and Wisdom/Creature was the remaining scum all along.

Ser why I follow you, Wisdom? Who is making more sense right now, you or me?

No PB, don’t make me withdraw that townread I had on you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I want to lynch Creature now 'cause it feels like Wisdom is going to mislynch me tomorrow if Jingle flips green, and Wisdom/Creature was the remaining scum all along.

Ser why I follow you, Wisdom? Who is making more sense right now, you or me?

No PB, don’t make me withdraw that townread I had on you.

Spoiler:

[Nancy Drew 39]

I want to lynch Creature now 'cause it feels like Wisdom is going to mislynch me tomorrow if Jingle flips green, and Wisdom/Creature was the remaining scum all along.

Ser why I follow you, Wisdom? Who is making more sense right now, you or me?

No PB, don’t make me withdraw that townread I had on you.

I was pointing out how off I've been this game so the optimal course of action is follow whoever I think is carrying the game, but now the carry thinks that's scum motivated. I'm still townreading both of them.

Trust me on my Creature read, he is never scum here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy if jingle flips town i beg you to listen to me and realize that kaito/molla doesnt make sense. I wont be around to knock sense into you and I am positive you will just keep following your reads without thinking. Even pb/molla is more likely if you want creature to absolutely be town.

Explain. Yeah, and Creature is definitely town.

UNVOTE:

[Nancy Drew 39]

gotta also note that rolecop is they key PR here and if it dies pretty early we basically end up having an uphill battle, hence why backup rolecop is there.

The problem is it only reveals vanilla or not vanilla, pretty much. But yeah, Maki’s role was kind of useless and Clem’s was weak, so that makes perfect sense.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i give up, lynch molla and then lose the game for all i care

i lynched two scum, i did enough

Why are we not voting Jingle anymore? *confused*

[Nancy Drew 39]

If we're going to assume four scum it's mechanically better to not lynch Jingle

Why?

so, then Kaito?

I disagree with Wisdom on him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

because you all agree its molla/kaito

I was voting Jingle.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I have two pieces of information related to my role pm on the game. one of them is extremely redundant at this point (millers exist!).

the other is only slightly useful if someone tries to fake claim it because I know it doesn't exist

.

If Jingle is scum here, than why does Fire say that, knowing that Jingle/sheep shot would probably claim a variant?

That’s been nagging at me, ever since Jingle claimed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I have two pieces of information related to my role pm on the game. one of them is extremely redundant at this point (millers exist!).

the other is only slightly useful if someone tries to fake claim it because I know it doesn't exist

.

If Jingle is scum here, than why does Fire say that, knowing that Jingle/sheep shot would probably claim a variant?

That’s been nagging at me, ever since Jingle claimed.

Fire scumslip or was he being on the level?

It reads like Fire knew Jingle/sheep’s role and was setting him up/ or he didn’t know Jingle/sheep was traitor.

Like why does Fire setup up his buddy?

Either Jingle is town here or traitor

.

So, if Jingle is scum, he can only be traitor, which means that he’s either town or there’s 4 scum in this game, so Creature is 100% right here.

Sorry Wisdom, you’re incorrect.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Jingle didnt claim a variant, he claimed the boon bank role.

Okay, I used the wrong term but Jingle/sheep can only be traitor if scum because scum!Fire would never knowingly set up his buddy that way.

But even if Jingle/sheep is traitor, Fire would still have to know he’d fakeclaim, so I think Fire maybe spewed Jingle/sheep town here and I did initially hardtown read that slot.

Unless Fire is some diabolical scum genius, I think it has to be molla/Kaito.

Also Wisdom/Creature can check this, because Jingle will either have tpr or traitor as his result or Wisdom/Creature could check molla (which Wisdom 100% should have done, eventhough Clem probably gamethrew) and then we would know if FA miller claim was fake.

[Nancy Drew 39]

he just said he supposedly had information that a certain role doesnt exist

How does that have to do anything with jingle?

Jingle claimed Willibooster, right?

That’s probably the role scum!Fire got info on.

And it reads to me that Fire was setting up Jingle/sheep as a potential mislynch.

It also explains Elsa traitor WIFOM, because Elsa is a genius, who rightly realized that someone would probably figure this out, so he setup up Jingle/sheep as traitor. Damn! Elsa is brilliant.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Jingle cannot be traitor because he is the boon bank role.

Fire's post had nothing to do with Jingle.

Think before you post.

*Sigh* you’re obviously not getting it.

Both Elsa and Fire setup sheep/Jingle.

I already explained Elsa. Fire by claiming

he knows a certain role doesn’t exist

- obviously not vt, rolecop, doc or miller.

[Nancy Drew 39]

like the setup is guaranteed to have a boon bank role. It would make no sense for fire to claim there isn't.

So, what is this about a non-existent role then? Why did scum!Fire tell us that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Fire just added some bullshit to make his claim more believable, nancy. He wasnt setting up anything.

Traitor talk was just wifom to confuse us.

Cmon these arent hard. You are reading way too much into simple things.

Boon Bank: 1 role.

So, Fire wanted us to think that Jingle/sheep would lie about their role/ or clever scum WIFOM, to makes us think the exact opposite, knowing he was flipping but still, it hurts Jingle/sheep because he’d have to count on us thinking that, so it does look like Fire was setting up Jingle/sheep.

Whether you want to argue set up or reverse psychology here, scum always WIFOM

for a scum agenda REASON

, so definitely NOT moonlogic in either case.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I have two pieces of information related to my role pm on the game. one of them is extremely redundant at this point (millers exist!).

the other is only slightly useful if someone tries to fake claim it because I know it doesn't exist

.

If Jingle is scum here, than why does Fire say that, knowing that Jingle/sheep shot would probably claim a variant?

That’s been nagging at me, ever since Jingle claimed.

Jingle didnt claim a variant, he claimed the boon bank role.

lmao if it is the Boon Bank Role that doesn't exist

.

Ding, ding ding. How aren’t you getting this Wisdom?

[Nancy Drew 39]

no nancy you are 100% wrong there. Fire was just adding some bs to his claim. He wasnt setting up anyone.

No, I 100% believe that scum!Fire was either informed that a boon bank role, either did or didn’t exist.

Why? Because he had to know Jingle/sheep would either claim/fakeclaim it. I don’t believe it was straight up bs. I believe Fire was informed about that role but knowing it’s Fire , I could also see it as a scumslip too.

But 100%, Fire had info on that role but even if you’re right Wisdom, that comment from Fire was more likely to hurt sheep/Jingle than anyone else.

Wait, nevermind, it was Creature he was setting up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Jingle

[Nancy Drew 39]

no nancy you are 100% wrong there. Fire was just adding some bs to his claim. He wasnt setting up anyone.

Yes, he was setting up Creature

.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No, I 100% believe that scum!Fire was either informed that a boon bank role, either did or didn’t exist.

nancy we are all informed a boon bank role exists. its in the setup.

It doesn’t matter,

Fire was setting up Creature not Jingle/sheep

.

[Nancy Drew 39]

also the lynch is molla. stop voting elsewhere and finish the day already.

Why is it molla?

[Nancy Drew 39]

fire was setting up nobody shut up already

No, you’re WRONG!

You tried to lynch obvtown Creature, because you didn’t believe his role. Like duh.

[Nancy Drew 39]

because its molla/kaito

Okay, I can see that since sheep seemed pretty townie to me and FA ISO read really scummy to me.

UNVOTE:


VOTE: BBmolla

But I’m not wrong on Fire setting

one

] of them up and my money’s on Creature.

Wisdom, stop arguing the obvious. Creature could have been mislynched if I hadn’t smacked some sense into you all.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i nowhere tried to lynch creature and thats completely irrelevant anyway

Yeah and they were going to sheep it.

Why do you think scum hasn’t killed you yet? Because scum!Fire knows about Creature being backup role cop.
That’s why me dying over you is not as absurd as you think.

[Nancy Drew 39]

you're living in your own little world

creature was never in danger, you smacked no sense into anyone, you have not said a single thing about a setup balance even at this point, and the only thing that changed my mind about jingle was creature and pink ball agreeing that the setup can still make sense with molla/kaito

and fire was absolutely not setting anything up, but thats obvious

Because you’re the scum!Fire whisperer?

[Nancy Drew 39]

By the way this time I do have some back up for voting Firebringer. I was scumleaning him early game 'cause he seemed off, nothing like I usually see him doing as town

@Nancy, relying on Vedith's meta is not a really good measure here, since he replaced in a partially doomed slot. Remember scum!Clem replacing in OK2? He wasn't playing like scum!Clem, 'cause he felt like there was nothing to do to avoid the lynch

It's pretty obvious that he's not giving reads in order to not give information about his remaining partner. Leave him be and focus on the next day.

Wait, why only 2 scum left?
I don't see 12:3 in setup?

So I ask you once again: if you're town, could you please stop WIFOMing my slot and focus on scum? I've done my part already

I think FA's scum equity has gone through the roof and we haven't reevaluated her slot only because she was the first Miller claim, and now we know that the scumteam knew about the millers (like Maki suggested on D1).

Why PB is also never scum here but that everyone who’s town here has seen the light.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nanc, your fire was setting up creature theory is both irrelevant and reaching.

First, from a game design standpoint, informing scum of a backup RC makes far less sense than informing them of either the neighborizor or the doc/roleblock combination.
Second, from a trusting claims standpoint there's no reason to think FB was even being honest.
Third, from a gameplay standpoint, it makes far more sense that claiming to be informed that a role is absent but not claiming what role is better for setting up whatever role you want as a 1v1 with yourself after massclaim, either to bus for towncred or to win via fakeguilty.

Wis is right.

You don’t know that, only Fire does. Fire knows that one of you is going to claim PR, so whether or not, he was informed of this or not, I am not wrong about scum!Fire setting up a potential PR.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Anyways, I claim Vanilla Cop, Clemency is vanilla

Kaito is confiscum.

How tf did you miss this Wisdom?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't think Kaito is scum here. The tone of his posts just don't feel out of place. I am not sure about it, cause I have never been amazing at reading Kaito but this doesn't feel like excalibur, excalibur I got a cool and controlled feeling to him almost the entire game and he was scum and I thought that was his town game, when he kind of just went in a lot of different directions that didn't make sense he was town (thinking the game with last dance game). Although i was scum in that dance game so I wasn't trying to really read him. I don't think this push on Maki by him is scummy and I don't think he would do it as scum as likely without reason and I can't figure out a reason. I think he would want to pocket maki if he was scum and nothing tells me he cares to pocket her.

I don't think Kaito cares about peoples opinions in this game where the excalibur he kind of played a middle ground the whole game but also kind of pushed the general consensus to a believable amount.

I had worries earlier with his and wisdom interactions but then I am not sure on Wisdom so I don't think it means anything that I am trying to make it out to be

This is Excalibur Dunn to a t, that’s why Chara had him nailed, dead to rights.

[Nancy Drew 39]

it wont really matter if we lynch rb or goon

im the only one with an active action and ill just be killed

Then Kaito is obvscum here.

So, Kaito is not a mislynch.

I feel more confident on Kaito flipping scum than molla.

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Kaito

[Nancy Drew 39]

Kaito is a confirmed vanilla

No scum PRs have flipped

That makes Kaito less likely to be a scum flip than everyone else

UNVOTE:

VOTE: BBmolla

I’m just less confident on molla being scum over Kaito.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Do you have posts you can link to to show me?

I know you’re not a fan of how I make my reads but ISO both Kaito and Chara - especially Chara.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

here's the situation with Kaito. he caught my attention early on, caught my vote a bit later.
he voted Maki early on, never elaborated though i kept asking. agreed with her Wisdom vote and changed to that wagon, and has also been calling me scummy all game. no vote on me though. 194 is just a bad post, and his meta on Wisdom is weak, because he's capable of not playing this weakly as scum. he doesn't have links for it either, and the justification is just vague
also awkward that Maki was who he was voting earlier with no explanation.

"trying too hard to show i'm town", i thought this might be a thought that came from town Kaito, but susbsequent interactions cleared that pretty quickly. now i just think he's avoiding a battle he knows he'll lose and hoping i lose interest/give up.

Kaito has played with me a lot. i don't expect him to know every little thing about my meta, but i

know

he's aware of the big things.
i towntell when i heavily engage. i always towntell. he doesn't want to heavily engage with me, and is trying to use humour/his attitude to pretend like he doesn't care enough to. it's just a facade.

the only way Kaito is town here is if he's being so lazy he hasn't actually attempted to read me, but that "not going to be happy until Chara is dead" post pretty much discounts that.

I think what this game needs is more armchair psychologists to come in and explain what my thought process is and why I would care about them as town, and how how my scum play revolves around suiciding myself into them

this doesn't sound like you really scumread me. :>

i don't think you'd care more as town. what i think is this is just you pretending not to care as scum.

what part of your play is "suiciding into me"? it was minor discredits towards my slot and then basically ignoring me. none of that constitutes really attacking. and your vote on me was because i told you to. is that what you do as town, Kaito? if so, i apologize, i'll certainly reevaluate my opinion of your towngame in post. :>

992 does remind me of scum Kaito, and is making me want the lynch more aggressively again. it doesn't need to be explained why jumping on bandwagon lynches is scummy. nor why the Maki defense that he's only explained now as being null on her, is scummy. it's blatant in being a discredit.
but let me go over the town possibility so i can see if it's valid or if i should discard it.

Alch flipping town is another thing. i was paranoid he was just trying to pocket me, but he was the only other voice for why Kaito was scum when i was trying to get anyone to listen.

pedit: Kaito, links? i asked earlier.

Maki's read me wrong in the last 2-3 games we've played together anyways

but ok

Wrong. The closest to me being incorrect was saying 'gun to my head he's town' when I had you at null in an off-site game.

can somebody please link them? if i have to go searching through your alts i will cry. :<

Chara ISO

[Nancy Drew 39]

townpoints for sheep for liking my posting and calling the consensus towniest miller "wolfy".

Sheep doesn't understand what he's saying, 50% chance to be town isn't "null", that's easily in lynch range, 70% chance to be town isn't really "wolfy"

Jingle can’t be w/w with Kaito.

[Nancy Drew 39]

all millers should claim asap - its like having a red cop result - it will prevent redundant checks and help the game

all millers must die before lylo. I don't care that includes me

as someone who always try to endgame and very rarely gets lynched and usually can carry scumteams to victory - I would never ever fake claim miller

about alchemist I don't know why would a scum them fake claim miller and I'm not sure if they are bold enough scum player to do that.

The bolded isn’t protown. There is no reason millers need to die before LYLO, unless everyone else is townier.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yep scum never bus

im tired of having to say this to you

Of course they do but if you disagree with me, then why aren’t we voting Kaito?

[Nancy Drew 39]

the "all millers" part on the other hand is

Scumslip?

Ah, she knew about Fire’s informed claim.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Frozen Angel
I want to sort Frozen San first

so let me rephrase your plan

you want to sort me first

so you vote me and you invite others to vote me.

I will feel the pressure

OH ITS SO HARD

I'm at L2 oh L1 now!

I must claim!!

wait though! I already claimed I'm town miller. not sure what you wanna hear from me firey daddy but you can ask anytime.

This post is bs. Town!FA would take your head off here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

all millers should claim asap - its like having a red cop result - it will prevent redundant checks and help the game

all millers must die before lylo. I don't care that includes me

as someone who always try to endgame and very rarely gets lynched and usually can carry scumteams to victory - I would never ever fake claim miller

about alchemist I don't know why would a scum them fake claim miller and I'm not sure if they are bold enough scum player to do that.

The bolded isn’t protown. There is no reason millers need to die before LYLO, unless everyone else is townier.

Argument for creature kaito not being w/w. Will explain when not mobile.

Creature is locktown. Have you ever played with scum!Creature before? This isn’t it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Is it possible to have multiple of the same role in this setup?

I am also a Miller.

Lynching someone who actually tries to claim Miller for towncred and to discredit the real one is a great deal.

but how are you sure there are not 2 millers in the game?

and how do you trust me this much to say he is discrediting me?

all millers should claim asap - its like having a red cop result - it will prevent redundant checks and help the game

all millers must die before lylo. I don't care that includes me

as someone who always try to endgame and very rarely gets lynched and usually can carry scumteams to victory - I would never ever fake claim miller

about alchemist I don't know why would a scum them fake claim miller and I'm not sure if they are bold enough scum player to do that.

FA scumslipped here. Good catch, Wisdom.

[Nancy Drew 39]

on one hand i agree, on the other i havent seen the town FA i knew for years so idk if the change in style is actually indicative

I played with her in RC uPick game and she was deathtunnenling my slot for really bad reasons. I was shocked when that slot flipped town but then I remembered that she had the same edge in every game, I’ve played with her as town. She is cleary lacking it here. Here lack of outrage at lolscum!Fire push is scum indicative. She knows he is unvoting her and that she’s in no real danger.

[Nancy Drew 39]

claiming first miller as wolf would be ballsy

counterclaiming miller as wolf is lol

but i think what fa's doing here feels real-miller-y too yeah

Unless there’s a 2nd PR, I don’t think scum!sheep hardtown reads this. Also, Jingle wanting to sort Kaito instead of voting molla, probably only makes sense if he’s town.

I need to stop questioning my initial gut instincts and either not talk/allow others to talk me out of them. I correctly nailed scum!tw on D1 in SC1 and then talked myself out of it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

I can't accept being so low in your read list

ask me questions - fix your read.

Bad post

That's how I always post and who I am. You calling is bad post is a bad post coming from "you".

I can most likely see scum!you begging to be townread like this.

And you don't know about my mental state and how town me would beg to interact and fix others reads on me?

seriously that's like abc of my personality and I can't believe you're saying stuff like this about me since me and you played a lot of games together even after my ms ban.

As far as I remember I'm not confident on you being town yet and your begging to be townread is something I could imagine scum!you doing (I knew you were good as scum before your ban).

well beside someone like creature since they also played off-site with me.

And something seems missing from you here compared to the mashes we played in MU.

we played after my ban together yet you mention "before my ban" and you don't say anything about my meta - you're just applying a generally standard meta on my playstyle here cause that fits your shading narrative better.

VOTE: Creature

No, I would call that playing with my cards close to my chest.

If you happen to show you're town like I'm used to see in MU games, then I'll stop pushing you. Still, you haven't accomplished that.

I dunno whether you would beg to be townread as town too or not, but I find it worth pushing because it's generally scummy.

what about me begging for townread as town is new for you?

You usually solve more than beg for townreads. The fact it feels like you're more begging to be townread this game seems bad.

You're previous posts were like how you can see scum me begging for being townread now that I revealed your shading you're changing that to a full scumread ay?

Yes, I find it scummy.

yeah i think her reaction to/switch on creature was genuine just affected by emotions/confbias in the moment

It still feels like the AtE I used to see FA using to win her scumgames.

It’s worth noting, that the main reason that DVa was so convinced that Short was scum in Witches’ Ball was that he aggressively begged her for a townread in their PT.

Like I said, town!FA takes your head off for scumreading her. I feel really good now, that we’re flipping scum. If the game doesn’t end, powerlynch Kaito.

[Nancy Drew 39]

kaito

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

Argument for creature kaito not being w/w. Will explain when not mobile.

FA's post supposes the millers are unconfirmable. Knowledge of a rolecop is directly counter to that, so the scumteam probably had no indication of a rolecop if FA scum.

What?

+1

@Jingle

Why would there be an informed scum who gets info about millers being in the setup and then think, no way does it make sense, to have a town rolecop in this game? Like no.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Living players:

Nero- Conftown
Wis
Nanc
Me
Creat
BB
Kaito
PB

Kaito makes sense as scum with BB/PB/Creat afaict.

Who is BB reasonably partnered with?

Why are you only 3rd on your own list?

PB isn’t scum. I’ve already shown his anti-partnery reactions to Fire and if it somehow becomes relevant, you.
Creature is locktown.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No, just saying that the two of you aren't partners.

Have you ever played with scum!Creature? I’m not wrong here.

I’m getting really tired of repeating this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Claiming miller right off of page 1? Fun! I'm only going to take Frozen's Miller claim here seriously so Alchemist gets a vote for lying in page 1.

VOTE: Alchemist

Call me when scum don't try and discredit townies page 1. I want a harder game next time.

all millers should claim asap - its like having a red cop result - it will prevent redundant checks and help the game

all millers must die before lylo. I don't care that includes me

as someone who always try to endgame and very rarely gets lynched and usually can carry scumteams to victory - I would never ever fake claim miller

about alchemist I don't know why would a scum them fake claim miller and I'm not sure if they are bold enough scum player to do that.

I think it's actually not a scum slip. FA is answering to this Elsa post where he says he believes one claim but not the other. So FA says "all millers must claim" as in "one claim is not scummier than the other"

Well, scum is in Kaito/molla/Jingle if relevant, because I’m tr everyone else.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Creature is locktown. Have you ever played with scum!Creature before? This isn’t it.

Actually I don’t think I have. I’ve played with town him a few times, but the only scumgame I’m aware of is one I’ve been linked to to demonstrate that he broke his “doesn’t post as scum” meta. And I barely skimmed that because I was scum when they linked me it.

You reasking questions I've already answered isn't really my fault, Nancy.

And you should know by now that I'm never going to take subjective reads for granted. I also think Creature is town. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop considering the possibility he's scum.

Fine but this is one subjective read that is 99.9999 % accurate.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No, just saying that the two of you aren't partners.

Have you ever played with scum!Creature? I’m not wrong here.

I’m getting really tired of repeating this.

I just checked. My completed games with Creature are Police Academy (me scum, creature in giant hydra) and RC's UPick (both town).

Oh okay then, I guess that explains it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

also another jingle town point that i didnt want to mention is that willbooster was recently made by gamma so it makes total sense hed test it out here

Yeah, it did sound unfamiliar and this really does sound like town!sheep. Scum!sheep was so blatantly scummy in MBoS, I actually joked with Ari in our hydra PT, that we needed a scum!sheep translator to understand wtf he was saying at certain points.

Yeah, my initial reads/gutreads > to re-evaluated reads in the vast majority of cases.

And sheep can be toneread. This is typical town!sheep tone here: being engaging, natural - like his defence of Creature. Scum!sheep almost has a closed off, avoidant, even a bit hostile edge to him. Town!sheep=nice engaging sheep, scum!sheep=cold, closed off, even a bit nasty. I have never seen town!sheep say anything on the mean side but he clearly has no problem doing that as scum, if MBoS is any indication.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nero is too cool for that shit

^

go hammer if you want Creat, I don't really care that much but I will say that 5 prs seems a bit much and don't really think this is going to be a 6/5 town split. An 8/4 or even 7/4 seem like the best fits.

A Wisdom/Katio or Nancy/Creature seem the most plausible but both Molla and/or Jingle could easily be scum here. So idk.

Ima throw my vote down on Katio and I think everyone is scum reading him now so....but I'm not gonna cry if Molla gets lynched.

vote:Katio

Wisdom, Creature and me aren’t scum here. We lynched scum last time. Why are you holding up the day?

If Creature doesn’t hammer, do we need to switch to Kaito?

I guess I was right Nero, you really are incapable of reading me. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

because

a) sheep and elsa had interactions that werent scum/scum

b) I liked Jingle's responses to my accusations

c) I believe Gamma is using a Willbooster since he designed the role recently and it makes sense hes testing it

d) Molla is scummier

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

If the game isn’t over, it’s Kaito.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Kaito

It’s almost certainly Kaito, if 2 scims than Jingle.

We should have lynched him over molla but Wisdom put mechanics over common sense.

I tr both Creature and PB.

Nancy
Nero
Creature
Pink Ball
Jingle
Kaito

[Nancy Drew 39]

We should have lynched him over molla but Wisdom put mechanics over common sense.

except when I voted Katio you were all like "$%%^$$&^%$ Y R U HOLDING UP THE DAY!?"

I mean TBF, that's on me but my initial response was "this is scum that's anxious to get to night" I'm just having a hard time getting around the miller claim.

I'm wondering if I was right earlier and Nikk was our token VT and it's just a Katio vs. PB team. The only thing slightly problematic about that is there are so many prs so yes a Katio, Jingle team makes some sense to me as well.

I drank Wisdom koolade. \_0_/

He was so focused on his scum rb theory, that he put that above who was most likely scum. I am town miller. LA hardclaimed PR in another game very similar to this one, which is why I chose her slot to rep into over Dave’s whom I was less sure on.

I hardtownread Creature and think PB is also town. You’re IC and Kaito/Jingle are the only ones left and Chara hard scumread that slot and apparently Maki has a meta of only pushing scum!Kaito, according to both Maki/Chara.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hey Chara I'm confident Kaito is scum. Now come join me

Kaito has no reason to make that claim in the first place

He does if he thinks clemency was bsing a pr claim in order to force him to commit to it

Faking vanilla cop is trying to fish a pr at best. Clearly, scum motivated he could've reaction tested in a dif manor. This was meant with pure scum intent

i disagree but youre tunneling so it doesnt matter

You're correct that I'm tunneling. I haven't been wrong when I've called him scum as town before though so I don't see a reason to stop.

Wisdom won't listen Chara it's useless.
You know I can read Kaito

[Nancy Drew 39]

wisdom/dave/lady

oh yeah forgot about kaito

he can be scum too

I still rather Kaito bite the dusto, but if I have to compromise then so be it. Besides, when Maki commits Seppuku and Clem is murdered, we all know who caused that to happen.

VOTE: Lady Angel

Sometimes to get the Super Scum, you got to massacre a few expendable slots.

forgets about his Kaito scumread for a second, but it's still the player he wants most to lynch. and LA is a compromise despite being in his scumlist?

aside from that Elsa's reads are

extremely

static and i'm not seeing much evidence of them changing in response to game events.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm also flirting with the idea of no lynch like it prob does nothing since I'm pretty likely to be the kill but on the off chance scum don't have a roleblocker AND Creature is a backup rolecop giving him an extra investigate seems the smart play, no?

If they killed Wisdom why wouldn’t Creature be next, since he is now town rolecop?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Is it so implausible that you'd be wrong about PB? The only real argument I could see is "scum wouldn't do that!" when he's sheeping and bussing his buddies.

I think this is PB’s townplay here. I also have the strongest srs on Kaito, followed by Jingle. I don’t see why we should lynch anywhere else but I feel and have been feeling the most confident on Kaito scum from after town!Maki flip.

[Nancy Drew 39]

he could be but if scum did have a blocker I think they'd block him and shoot me.

Why didn’t scum block Wisdom and kill you last night then? I think Wisdom kill over you, points to probably no scum rb and probably Clem rb’d Wisdom.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm also leaning Jingle and I think I only let him live yesterday because he could prevent roleblocker. However I don't think he's that useful anymore anyway if I'm likely getting nightkilled tonight.

I’m not opposed to Jingle. I didn’t really care too much for his entrance. @Kaito, why didn’t you vote Vedith?

That really pings me that he did sheep driveby vote and never switched it to Vedith.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Kaito, why didn’t you vote Vedith?

I tried to replace out when Nero entered the game because I didn't want to play with him

I never even comprehended Vedith being in the game, nor do I know why we lynched him

He was bleeding informed scum, who replaced Fire scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

P.edit. What does Nero have to do with you not voting Vedith?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m not opposed to Jingle. I didn’t really care too much for his entrance.

Dafuq?

My vote is still on Kaito. If you’re town here, why do you want to no lynch? Do you think PB is scum, because otherwise I don’t get it?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm also flirting with the idea of no lynch like it prob does nothing since I'm pretty likely to be the kill but on the off chance scum don't have a roleblocker AND Creature is a backup rolecop giving him an extra investigate seems the smart play, no?

I'm a willbooster. If Creature was blocked, it would mean he's lying or I am.

Creature couldn’t be roleblocked last night because he can’t be town rolecop until after Wisdom dies.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm also flirting with the idea of no lynch like it prob does nothing since I'm pretty likely to be the kill but on the off chance scum don't have a roleblocker AND Creature is a backup rolecop giving him an extra investigate seems the smart play, no?

I'm a willbooster. If Creature was blocked, it would mean he's lying or I am.

Creature couldn’t be roleblocked last night because he can’t be town rolecop until after Wisdom dies.

So only Wisdom could do any investigating. Can you keep Creature alive if we lynch Kaito over you? I guess I don’t quite understand exactly what your role does.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm also flirting with the idea of no lynch like it prob does nothing since I'm pretty likely to be the kill but on the off chance scum don't have a roleblocker AND Creature is a backup rolecop giving him an extra investigate seems the smart play, no?

I'm a willbooster. If Creature was blocked, it would mean he's lying or I am.

Creature couldn’t be roleblocked last night because he can’t be town rolecop until after Wisdom dies.

So only Wisdom could do any investigating. Can you keep Creature alive if we lynch Kaito over you? I guess I don’t quite understand exactly what your role does.

Each night, you may target a player to make them immune to one roleblock.

Actually nm, your role is kind of pointless if scum kill him. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

It's not indistinguishable; MyLo needs two wrong votes, LyLo needs one. Nero said exactly what I said: he would probably the nightkill and would be useless to no lynch today. And he's wrong: Creature rolecopping someone would've nice at some point before LyLo, but that didn't happen. We won't lynch someone based on Creature's result 'cause he still could be scum and we don't have a lynch to spare to confirm that.

So no, no lynch guarantees the death of Nero, and my point still stands: the scumteam would need only one wrong vote to win instead of two. I don't want to vote Kaito in case it's you and Creature; on LyLo, you just need Nancy to vote him. This is just an example, of course. I think it's you and Kaito. But I want you dead first.

VOTE: Jingle

Yeah, I don’t understand the no lynch vote here, it only helps scum by giving them an extra kill and as far as I’m concerned, I tr everyone left in the game but Kaito and Jingle. so, it’s especially weird because I can’t see scum being anyone else. Both of them are pinging my scumdar off of the charts. However, it’s clearly Creature who is the #1 threat to scum with his rolecop ability. So, I’m thinking, Jingle plans to rolecop Creature and Kaito kills Nero and then they plan to frame Creature for Nero kill. This way they kill two birds with one stone essentially. IC Nero gets whacked and town rolecop Creature gets to take the fall for it. Scum is setting up Creature roleblock, Nero NK, Creature frame and potential mislynch and town loss. Jingle apparently thinks we’re all idiots here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It's not indistinguishable; MyLo needs two wrong votes, LyLo needs one. Nero said exactly what I said: he would probably the nightkill and would be useless to no lynch today. And he's wrong: Creature rolecopping someone would've nice at some point before LyLo, but that didn't happen. We won't lynch someone based on Creature's result 'cause he still could be scum and we don't have a lynch to spare to confirm that.

So no, no lynch guarantees the death of Nero, and my point still stands: the scumteam would need only one wrong vote to win instead of two. I don't want to vote Kaito in case it's you and Creature; on LyLo, you just need Nancy to vote him. This is just an example, of course. I think it's you and Kaito. But I want you dead first.

VOTE: Jingle

Yeah, I don’t understand the no lynch vote here, it only helps scum by giving them an extra kill and as far as I’m concerned, I tr everyone left in the game but Kaito and Jingle. so, it’s especially weird because I can’t see scum being anyone else. Both of them are pinging my scumdar off of the charts. However, it’s clearly Creature who is the #1 threat to scum with his rolecop ability. So, I’m thinking, Jingle plans to ROLEBLOCK Creature and Kaito kills Nero and then they plan to frame Creature for Nero kill. This way they kill two birds with one stone essentially. IC Nero gets whacked and town rolecop Creature gets to take the fall for it. Scum is setting up Creature roleblock, Nero NK, Creature frame and potential mislynch and town loss. Jingle apparently thinks we’re all idiots here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If we nolynch, I most likely eat the nightkill

hmmm

No, Nero will be and scum is setting you to be framed for it. Why else does Jingle vote no lynch here. It’s obvious.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m good with voting for either scum!Jingle or scum!Kaito. Everyone else is town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I won't get lynched tbh, specially if scum are Jingle and Kaito. Most likely they would just kill me as I'm about Nero-tier at this point and we'll go tomorrow with about one conftown.

If Jingle rbs you, Nero being IC, would be the greater threat.

[Nancy Drew 39]

or do you think they could convince you and/or Pinkball to turn against me?

I won’t because I think Jingle/Kaito are obvscum. I think PB is right that Jingle’s no lynch vote under the circumstances, is blatantly scummy.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Jingle

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well, I don't expect you to scumread Pinkball or me anyway. Still am unsure about you though.

I’m still town miller, which will be confirmed upon my flip.

[Nancy Drew 39]

That's the point: Creature could be roleblocked and that's good WIFOM material for LyLo.

P-edit even if they don't focus on you, they could focus on me and trust you'll vote me. Let's agree that, if we are right about Jingle/Kaito they have to do whatever they can to survive at this point, since town is agreeing on them. @Creature

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

I won't get lynched tbh, specially if scum are Jingle and Kaito. Most likely they would just kill me as I'm about Nero-tier at this point and we'll go tomorrow with about one conftown.

If Jingle rbs you, Nero being IC, would be the greater threat.

Jingle and I would be a mechanical 1v1 and I don't think he will ever persuade you or Pink to side with him anyway.

Or they try to mislynch PB maybe. But they want you roleblocked in any case.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No, Nero will be and scum is setting you to be framed for it. Why else does Jingle vote no lynch here. It’s obvious.

Enlighten me. Because you're being dumb.

Wow, that’s really persuasive.

Why do you not want to vote Kaito?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Or they try to mislynch PB maybe. But they want you roleblocked in any case.

FMPOV, Creature claiming a no result means he's scum.

No, it means you roleblocked him. Stop insulting my intelligence. I’m not buying this, okay. I’ve rolled scum with Creature in Heroes Wanted and played numerous games with him as either alignment. He is town here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Think I can't be scum with Kaito then

or Kaito just decided to disappear at the right time.

@Kaito, why didn’t you vote Vedith?

I tried to replace out when Nero entered the game because I didn't want to play with him

I never even comprehended Vedith being in the game, nor do I know why we lynched him

Both are obvscum.

Me/Nero/Creature/PB=4 town to 2 scum rn.

After NK:

No lynch means 3 town to 2 scum and scum will win if town mislynchs any of the 3 remaining town. But even if town lynches correctly, the last remaining scum will NK another townie, making it then 2 town to one scum so much better odds for scum.

Lynching one of Jingle/Kaito scum means 3 town to one scum, much better odds and even if we then mislynched, we’d still have LYLO to get it right. So Jingle’s No Lynch vote is a blatant scumclaim and PB obvtowned himself by clever catching scum!Jingle bs.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Or they try to mislynch PB maybe. But they want you roleblocked in any case.

FMPOV, Creature claiming a no result means he's scum.

No, it means you roleblocked him. Stop insulting my intelligence. I’m not buying this, okay. I’ve rolled scum with Creature in Heroes Wanted and played numerous games with him as either alignment. He is town here.

It reminds me of Navy Seal Copypasta meme for some reason.

I’m not familiar with it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Or they try to mislynch PB maybe. But they want you roleblocked in any case.

FMPOV, Creature claiming a no result means he's scum.

No, it means you roleblocked him. Stop insulting my intelligence. I’m not buying this, okay. I’ve rolled scum with Creature in Heroes Wanted and played numerous games with him as either alignment. He is town here.

Yeah, single problem with that, Nancy. I know I'm a town willbooster, not a scum roleblocker. Or do you not know what FMPOV means?

I know that no lynch in this situation is a blatant scumclaim and PB catching you on that, proves to me why.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Or they try to mislynch PB maybe. But they want you roleblocked in any case.

FMPOV, Creature claiming a no result means he's scum.

No, it means you roleblocked him. Stop insulting my intelligence. I’m not buying this, okay. I’ve rolled scum with Creature in Heroes Wanted and played numerous games with him as either alignment. He is town here.

Yeah, single problem with that, Nancy. I know I'm a town willbooster, not a scum roleblocker. Or do you not know what FMPOV means?

I know that no lynch in this situation is a blatant scumclaim and PB catching you on that, proves to me why.

You got greedy, you should have just voted your buddy and taken your chances.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, you sound exactly like you did in no deadlines.

The difference is you were actually town in that and that became obvious eventually.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No Lynch in this situation is literally optimal play for town.

Scum is in you/Kaito, so how is that optimal?

[Nancy Drew 39]

You are objectively wrong, which is the frustrating part.

So you know Kaito’s alignment then?

[Nancy Drew 39]

You are objectively wrong, which is the frustrating part.

So you know Kaito’s alignment then?

If you are town, you should be voting Kaito.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You are objectively wrong, which is the frustrating part.

No Lynch in this situation is literally optimal play for town.

No, lynching you or Kaito is optimal play for town, because everyone else IS town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because I am town, I am voting for the best chance town has at winning the game.

If that were true, you’d be voting Kaito.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm not going to sit here and try to convince a brick wall the sky is blue Nancy. You're wrong, but you're too egotistical to admit that you might be to yourself. Just like when I wanted to lynch sheep in no deadlines and you protected him right up until he endgamed you.

For me to be wrong, both Creature and PB would have to be the scumteam and I don’t believe that for one second.

Kaito, otoh, is objectively scummy. You think you can get me to doubt myself here, just because I was wrong in ND.

The difference is I’m not wrong here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Jingle shading me with the kindergarden comment is scum. Bye.

I understand your point, but you're talking about something I haven't commented and you keep avoiding that: you need two wrong votes here, you need one wrong vote in LyLo, and since we have a conftown that won't be tomorrow, it's better for scum to go to LyLo. So you shading me and trying to depict me as an idiot when I wasn't talking about maths is scummy as fuck.

Fun fact, Kaito and sheep were pushing each other all through the game, now suddenly Jingle considers Kaito to be obvtown. Sheep and Kaito were scum distancing throughout the game. Why did Kaito make that weird driveby vote on sheep? To distance. Kaito left his vote on sheep instead of voting obvscum Vedith.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: elsa

i can see this as wolf again yeh

would prefer kaito but meh

[Nancy Drew 39]

Jingle, if you're town and there are two scum remaining, Kaito + Creature will be confirmed as not the scumteam. That would mean either A) you're scum, B) scum is voting you, or C) there's only one scum remaining. From my PoV, B) would only be possible if Nancy is scum, and even after losing to scum!Nancy recently, I couldn't be more sure she's town here. So either we got you, or the game doesn't end with your lynch

I’m glad that game didn’t wreck me. Krazy said I should prepare myself to be mislynched in numerous game now. But I doubt the game ends, because the only reason for Jingle to refuse to vote Kaito, is he’s his buddy and he knows now that he’s also fucked his buddy with his ultimate red flip.

He is also trying to get me to doubt myself because of No Deadlines. The difference, is they had a brilliantly coordinated scumteam. That is obviously not the case here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what you actually need to do is to not read previous posts wanting them to make sense with a particular scenario you have in mind, because you can twist nearly everything into making sense with whatever you want. You are prone to doing this all the time.

@nancy

Hopefully you'll actually listen in the postgame.

Lovely that you're quoting the guy who wanted you dead the most are you frustrated because we are right for the wrong reasons?

I actually wondered if he took that from ND, where Wisdom scolded me on something similar but Jingle can’t compare to scum!tw, as much as he’d like. Duck is a slippery bird, I’ll be keeping that in mind for future games.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lovely that you're quoting the guy who wanted you dead the most are you frustrated because we are right for the wrong reasons?

because

a) sheep and elsa had interactions that werent scum/scum

b) I liked Jingle's responses to my accusations

c) I believe Gamma is using a Willbooster since he designed the role recently and it makes sense hes testing it

d) Molla is scummier

also another jingle town point that i didnt want to mention is that willbooster was recently made by gamma so it makes total sense hed test it out here

@elsa can you link me some past w games of yours

i could only find v games

probably not an elsa budsy

this is an actual argument for jingle town though and it factored in my changing my mind

My flip advances us zero

Jingle argued about how my reasons for him being scum were not good with logic.
You are just saying "I am not scum" which everyone would say.
Try more.

Who wanted me dead the most? Cause I'm pretty sure Wisdom, the person who caught me two posts into my last scumgame with him was townreading me by the end of the day.

I don't get mad over being lynched. I get mad when people ignore correct play, insinuate I'm bad at mafia theory, or absolutely refuse to reconsider when confronted with contradictory evidence.

Wisdom made those posts, pre-molla flip. I’m very sure he’s 100% down with lynching you now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What I think happened from their minds was "Kaito votes Jingle to distance 'cause he's mostly the obvious next flip, so by flipping red he gives town points to Jingle for the next day.", but since we're flipping Jingle first they won't get that plan going

Yeah obviously because Jingle spews him scum with his flip, so distance fail. Jingle also forgets that he eventually became obvtown in ND, due to making REAL pro-town decisions, which no lynch isn’t one - definitely not in this case anyway, He knows, he can’t get anyone other than himself or Kaito lynched and he also knows, scum gets an additional NK in this way.

He even gave us the heads up on his frame Creature plan. Scum will kill Nero and Jingle will rb Creature. When Creature expectedly claims “no results”, scum will try to pudh his mislynch. Jingle dude, you fucked up here by letting us in on the plan before you and Kaito had a chance to execute it. Brilliant.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I will in fact guarantee that wisdom would have me in his PoE. He'd also agree with me on the whole, we should play to get the most information before making a potentially game ending flip, but apparently logical thought isn't your strong suit.

I genuinely don't know why I'm still here.

Nah, he’d be calling for your hammer.

[Nancy Drew 39]

read and youll find out

its molla and

kaito

Wisdom would not be backing Jingle’s plan here because he still suspected Kaito.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nah, he’d be calling for your hammer.

Why don't you ask him after you mislynch me?

I’m not voting no lynch.

It’s either you or Kaito.

[Nancy Drew 39]

FTR, what you described is exactly the type of play I'd make if Creature was my partner. No lynching into a mechanical 1v1 between two scum partners in 5p LYLO is my bread and butter. For proof that that's the way I roll, check xyzzy's fruit vending marathon.

Not that it matters, given we lose when you lynch me, but if I were scum here I'd be setting up my scumpartner to win the LYLO easily.

VOTE KAITO.

[Nancy Drew 39]

read and youll find out

its molla and

kaito

Wisdom would not be backing Jingle’s plan here because he still suspected Kaito.

Suspecting Kaito is irrelevant.

It's not about reads, it's about mechanics.

I’m not voting no lynch. It’s between you or Kaito.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh sorry Jingle, I forgot about his flip on your read. I thought he changed to Molla in order to say us "I told you" postgame and that he kept thinking you were scum.

Do you think it's Kaito/Creature? Kaito/me? I get your points on optimal mechanical play of no lynching, but what do you think about the two wrong votes vs one wrong vote I'm saying?

If we don’t lynch one of Jingle/Kaito, we’ll lose.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't think Kaito is scum here

. The tone of his posts just don't feel out of place. I am not sure about it, cause I have never been amazing at reading Kaito but this doesn't feel like excalibur, excalibur I got a cool and controlled feeling to him almost the entire game and he was scum and I thought that was his town game, when he kind of just went in a lot of different directions that didn't make sense he was town (thinking the game with last dance game). Although i was scum in that dance game so I wasn't trying to really read him. I don't think this push on Maki by him is scummy and I don't think he would do it as scum as likely without reason and I can't figure out a reason. I think he would want to pocket maki if he was scum and nothing tells me he cares to pocket her.

I don't think Kaito cares about peoples opinions in this game where the excalibur he kind of played a middle ground the whole game but also kind of pushed the general consensus to a believable amount.

I had worries earlier with his and wisdom interactions but then I am not sure on Wisdom so I don't think it means anything that I am trying to make it out to be

Hey guess what Jingle. You know who else doesn’t think Kaito’s scum here? Did you guess? That’s right, your buddy Fire.

[Nancy Drew 39]

How does No lynch possibly lose the game for town here?

Better, how does no lynch possibly further scum's agenda?

It gives you and Kaito an additional NK. This way you get to execute your ingenious plan to kill Nero and frame Creature. What do I win?

[Nancy Drew 39]

When Creature expectedly claims “no results”, scum will try to pudh his mislynch.

Again, I expect them to be pretty aware they're unable to push my mislynch unless Kaito is town and one of Pink/Nancy is scum with Jingle.

Kaito isn’t. Read that Fire post, I just quoted.

If I were scum with Jingle, I would be onboard with the no lynch idiocy. I think - hope not Pink isn’t falling for Jingle bs.

Not lynching Jingle or Kaito, costs us the game. It really doesn’t matter which one of them we lynch.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'd like to, again, point out that I've said absolutely nothing about my read on Kaito today. This isn't about reads, it's about collecting information.

Scumclaim. You had 0 problems giving reads in ND and OK 1 iirc. I’m calling bs on that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i think creature or sheep is a good lynch today

Oh look, more sheep distancing. This is exactly what scum tried to pull in ND and how they fooled me. I bought into scum!Purr deathtunnelling sheep to mean sheep was town and not his buddy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would be onboard with the no lynch idiocy.

First of all, why? This would be excellent scum theater.

Second of all, yup, mechanically superior play is idiocy.

WHEN DOES TOWN!YOU EVER HAVE TROUBLE GIVING READS?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m also not going to discuss my suspicions because no lynching is the right move here and there’s no point to me telling scum who I suspect before they have to make a kill choice.

Yeah right Jingle, scum has it so hard, don’t they? Who to whack? Town rolecop, we’d like to frame or IC? Decisions, decisions.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would be onboard with the no lynch idiocy.

First of all, why? This would be excellent scum theater.

Second of all, yup, mechanically superior play is idiocy.

WHEN DOES TOWN!YOU EVER HAVE TROUBLE GIVING READS?

[Nancy Drew 39]

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No Deadlines


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*Overkill 1


Town!Jingle who loves to gives reads as easily as he breathes.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So does scum Jingle.

I'm always free with reads unless I’m scum.

FIFY

[Nancy Drew 39]

It’s blatantly obvious that scum isn’t killing PB or me over IC/town rolecop.

But sure you giving results on a confirmed non-PR, it going to totally tip scum off and lose us the game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It’s blatantly obvious that scum isn’t killing PB or me over IC/town rolecop.

But sure you giving READS on a confirmed non-PR, it going to totally tip scum off and lose us the game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

People I would never consider lynching regardless of circumstances: Nero.

Other People: Not Nero.

Is that good enough for you?

Say I come out and say I suspect Nancy PB.

Kaito scum

now has a reason to let Creature conftown me. Creature scum now has a reason to fake a town result on me. Say I say I suspect Creature. Non Creature scum now has a reason to kill Nero and attempt a 1v1 between me and creature. Say I say I suspect Kaito. Non Kaito scum has no reason to rock the boat. And it doesn't just apply to me.

Say Creat/PB is the scumteam, Creat knows his best play is to conftown Nancy, because conftowning Nancy means her tunnel on me has literally no reason to change. Say Creat is town, creat claiming who he is going to investigate tonight just gives the scumteam the ability to shoot a potential conftown instead of Creature or Nero.

Keeping the scumteam as in the dark as possible is a good idea. I'm not going to die tonight in any universe, so there's no reason for me to worry about getting my reads out in the open now. AND, and possibly most important, there are more things to analyze tomorrow. Did scum shoot Creature or Nero? Who did creature claim to investigate? Are there any lies?

100/100 times, I'm going to attempt to make the important lynches with more information rather than less.

I swear if we lose this game to this, all of you should feel really bad.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hey I just realized that Jingle has been on L-1 since Nancy's vote 'cause Kaito voted Jingle at the very begining of the day. So Creature is conftown from my PoV then, the only way Jingle flips town is a Kaito/Nancy team or that there's only one scum remaining and it's not Jingle. If it's the first case, I again lose fair and square to scum!Nancy, and if it's the latter, we lynch Kaito tomorrow and we win too. Like, my only reason to unvote Jingle would be voting Kaito, jut then it would be the same two circumstances for Kaito to be town: either it's Jingle/Nancy or it's Jingle alone. So let's just lynch Jingle 'cause he would be the PR of the team

PB, I swear I am not scum here. LA hardclaimed tpr in a very similar way in a previous game, that’s why I replaced in in her slot and not Daveaz. I was also the Elsa counterwagon.

I thinked the two are linked, otherwise Jingle wouldn’t have insisted on no lynching.

[Nancy Drew 39]

When Creature expectedly claims “no results”, scum will try to pudh his mislynch.

Again, I expect them to be pretty aware they're unable to push my mislynch unless Kaito is town and one of Pink/Nancy is scum with Jingle.

Kaito isn’t. Read that Fire post, I just quoted.

If I were scum with Jingle, I would be onboard with the no lynch idiocy. I think - hope not Pink isn’t falling for Jingle bs.

Not lynching Jingle or Kaito, costs us the game. It really doesn’t matter which one of them we lynch.

You should have no problem nolynching if you and Pink settle to never lynch me.

I'm afraid I'm somewhat close to conftown and we'll go from 2 to 1 conftown tomorrow.

But scum just gets another NK, so how does that help us any?

[Nancy Drew 39]

close to conftown

If it helps, FMPOV you're conftown. From everyone else's PoV you'd have to be my partner.

???

If you were scum you'd have hammered me. Everyone else can assume that you didn't hammer because we're partners, but I'm L-1 and you didn't hammer.

Still working the Creature scum angle, I see.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nancy

I think the chance of Jingle winning the 1v1 against me is basically zero now.

That’s why he dropped the no lynch thing. You’re the only other claimed tpr, who can be framed via a roleblock. Jingle is so obvious.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm confused about the meaning of the numbers in parentheses in the VC.

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[Nancy Drew 39]

When Creature expectedly claims “no results”, scum will try to pudh his mislynch.

Again, I expect them to be pretty aware they're unable to push my mislynch unless Kaito is town and one of Pink/Nancy is scum with Jingle.

Kaito isn’t. Read that Fire post, I just quoted.

If I were scum with Jingle, I would be onboard with the no lynch idiocy. I think - hope not Pink isn’t falling for Jingle bs.

Not lynching Jingle or Kaito, costs us the game. It really doesn’t matter which one of them we lynch.

You should have no problem nolynching if you and Pink settle to never lynch me.

I'm afraid I'm somewhat close to conftown and we'll go from 2 to 1 conftown tomorrow.

But scum just gets another NK, so how does that help us any?

What I was saying. If we assume Nero and I are unrescindable town, there's no point nolynching.

Oh, yeah well that’s kind of what I’ve been saying. If the game doesn’t end, there’s a ton of associatives making Kaito most likely Jingle’s partner but I think no lynching was directly tied to potentially framing you and balance wise, there needs to be a sronger scum pr than Vedith/Fire, so pretty confident this flips red. If game doesn’t end, the scum theater hasn’t done anything to dissuade me from thinking it’s Kaito.