Booneytoonz IX - Under The Sea -- Game Over!

[Wisdom]

I want to lynch Creature now 'cause it feels like Wisdom is going to mislynch me tomorrow if Jingle flips green, and Wisdom/Creature was the remaining scum all along.

Ser why I follow you, Wisdom? Who is making more sense right now, you or me?

I would honestly prefer if you had such an opinion than being a sheep

Now I feel like I'm just going to be wrong and you're going to be scum

[Nancy Drew 39]

If either Jingle/molla flip doesn’t end the game, it’s Kaito.

I think Kaito has way more scum equity than molla, fwiw.

But first you try to push obvtown Creature and pretty damn townie PB, so yes, lynching either of them, is going to lose us the game.

you're free to explain to me what role can Molla has that will balance the scumteam against all the town prs

No one who you’ve not investigated is mechanically clear, right? Other than by play. I decided to vote Jingle because he looks worse than molla and I locktowned Creature.

On reassessing, considering both you and Creature are mindmelding on Jingle, if the game doesn’t end, then Kaito is probably the last scum.

His unexplained sheep vote when he knew sheep was never going to be lynched over Vedith, was scummy af.

[Pink Ball]

because you're not providing your own thoughts

everyone else gave their thoughts about the setup and justified them (well except nancy who is just ignoring the setup and is stubbornly insisting on her soul reads)

youre just going "whatever its creature or jingle because people seem to think so"

I did the exact same thing yesterday and you had no problems with it. You're not answering my question.

And I provided my thoughts: I'm townreading Creature, I think setup wise that BBmolla is more likely scum, but I think your reasoning about Creature/Jingle makes sense and I'm following it, as I've been doing since forever. You're starting to piss me off

[Nancy Drew 39]

I want to lynch Creature now 'cause it feels like Wisdom is going to mislynch me tomorrow if Jingle flips green, and Wisdom/Creature was the remaining scum all along.

Ser why I follow you, Wisdom? Who is making more sense right now, you or me?

No PB, don’t make me withdraw that townread I had on you.

[Pink Ball]

If you want me to stop following you, fine. Your ego is smaller than I thought.

VOTE: BBMolla

[Creature]

Creature has gotten 3/5 right so far, so I say we sheep HIM over Wisdom.

you are kidding me, right? I got Elsa AND Vedith lynched on my own.

I also helped lynch them. Don't think you get all the credit.

[Wisdom]

i dont want you to stop following me

i want you to explain to me in your own thoughts what gamestate you are seeing here and who is scum

you're still not doing that

[Wisdom]

Creature has gotten 3/5 right so far, so I say we sheep HIM over Wisdom.

you are kidding me, right? I got Elsa AND Vedith lynched on my own.

I also helped lynch them. Don't think you get all the credit.

sure there buddy

[Pink Ball]

I want to lynch Creature now 'cause it feels like Wisdom is going to mislynch me tomorrow if Jingle flips green, and Wisdom/Creature was the remaining scum all along.

Ser why I follow you, Wisdom? Who is making more sense right now, you or me?

No PB, don’t make me withdraw that townread I had on you.

I was pointing out how off I've been this game so the optimal course of action is follow whoever I think is carrying the game, but now the carry thinks that's scum motivated. I'm still townreading both of them.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I want to lynch Creature now 'cause it feels like Wisdom is going to mislynch me tomorrow if Jingle flips green, and Wisdom/Creature was the remaining scum all along.

Ser why I follow you, Wisdom? Who is making more sense right now, you or me?

No PB, don’t make me withdraw that townread I had on you.

Spoiler:

[Creature]

If either Jingle/molla flip doesn’t end the game, it’s Kaito.

I think Kaito has way more scum equity than molla, fwiw.

But first you try to push obvtown Creature and pretty damn townie PB, so yes, lynching either of them, is going to lose us the game.

you're free to explain to me what role can Molla has that will balance the scumteam against all the town prs

Roleblocker does enough.

tbh if I went with the "town has too much power" argument I would've lost a bunch of town games (Mini 2053 included).

I'd say designing a setup that feels townsided so town starts mislynching PRs is a solid mod strategy.

[Wisdom]

nancy if jingle flips town i beg you to listen to me and realize that kaito/molla doesnt make sense. I wont be around to knock sense into you and I am positive you will just keep following your reads without thinking. Even pb/molla is more likely if you want creature to absolutely be town.

[Wisdom]

If either Jingle/molla flip doesn’t end the game, it’s Kaito.

I think Kaito has way more scum equity than molla, fwiw.

But first you try to push obvtown Creature and pretty damn townie PB, so yes, lynching either of them, is going to lose us the game.

you're free to explain to me what role can Molla has that will balance the scumteam against all the town prs

Roleblocker does enough.

tbh if I went with the "town has too much power" argument I would've lost a bunch of town games (Mini 2053 included).

I'd say designing a setup that feels townsided so town starts mislynching PRs is a solid mod strategy.

funny how you're defending the "both creature/jingle town" narrative while voting jingle

almost like you know jingle is flipping town

[Wisdom]

nvm youre not voting him but your posts indicate you will, so it stands

[Creature]

Well I can also brag I wasn't involved with any of the mislynches.

[Pink Ball]

i dont want you to stop following me

i want you to explain to me in your own thoughts what gamestate you are seeing here and who is scum

you're still not doing that

I think I've done it at least four times. The scumteam was informed about the millers, fa fakeclaimed, BBmolla is a scum PR, can't confirm what 'cause I think Clem roleblocked you, but still could be a roleblocker since we have a claimed Willbooster. That's my take on the gamestate, and my other take is that Nancy, Creature and you are all town (and Nero obviously) and that your reads have been better than mine and you are overall better than me for solving this particular game, so even if I have my own take on the gamestate, I have to be humble about it and think that your take is better than mine.

If you keep going with this fuckery you're going to make me cry, Wisdom. What else do you want from me, be more specific if you still think I'm not providing what you're asking me to give

[Wisdom]

BBmolla is a scum PR, can't confirm what 'cause I think Clem roleblocked you, but still could be a roleblocker since we have a claimed Willbooster. That's my take on the gamestate, and my other take is that Nancy, Creature and you are all town (and Nero obviously)

So you're basically agreeing with Creature that Molla being a roleblocker is enough to balance against all the other town prs?

[Pink Ball]

Yes, exactly. Having the opportunity to fakeclaim a Miller until the informed scum flips is OP; a bunch of millers is not townsided; Makis role is full of WIFOM because of millers; a backup rolecop is useless jntil the rolecop dies; willbooster sounds meh; and Clem is the only cool PR we had. This setup doesn't seem townsided to me, seems like how things resolved made it pro town

[Wisdom]

ok.

VOTE: molla

lets have it your way.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I want to lynch Creature now 'cause it feels like Wisdom is going to mislynch me tomorrow if Jingle flips green, and Wisdom/Creature was the remaining scum all along.

Ser why I follow you, Wisdom? Who is making more sense right now, you or me?

No PB, don’t make me withdraw that townread I had on you.

I was pointing out how off I've been this game so the optimal course of action is follow whoever I think is carrying the game, but now the carry thinks that's scum motivated. I'm still townreading both of them.

Trust me on my Creature read, he is never scum here.

[Creature]

gotta also note that rolecop is they key PR here and if it dies pretty early we basically end up having an uphill battle, hence why backup rolecop is there.

[Creature]

If we're going to assume four scum it's mechanically better to not lynch Jingle

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy if jingle flips town i beg you to listen to me and realize that kaito/molla doesnt make sense. I wont be around to knock sense into you and I am positive you will just keep following your reads without thinking. Even pb/molla is more likely if you want creature to absolutely be town.

Explain. Yeah, and Creature is definitely town.

UNVOTE:

[Wisdom]

i give up, lynch molla and then lose the game for all i care

i lynched two scum, i did enough

[Nancy Drew 39]

gotta also note that rolecop is they key PR here and if it dies pretty early we basically end up having an uphill battle, hence why backup rolecop is there.

The problem is it only reveals vanilla or not vanilla, pretty much. But yeah, Maki’s role was kind of useless and Clem’s was weak, so that makes perfect sense.