Newbie 1916: Epic Music [Game Over!]

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wooooo
I'm really glad I got this slot. Teacher =) Clem =) flip =)

Imma catch up then let's go boys (and girls)

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Good start so far. I like where this game is going
Right now I've got town reads on skellen, teacher, and catstar. The first two are pretty obv!town and I liked catstar's thought processes in 80

clem I want to town read. he agrees with me on skellen, good. Paranoia about teacher is pretty meh tho. Teacher feels to me like the type of player one should just allow to be obv!town until he's eloquently pushing a bad argument. I haven't read any of his scum games, but his play is too effortful to replicate as scum without making some ill-considered arguments along the way. I agree with teacher that with time clem will be easier to read by play more than by tone/early content

not town:
emp - not much here yet. good note by teacher on his comment that scum tries too hard. Entrance post is bad, too
birdy - another possibly scum indicative entrance post. I didn't like his 77. I'm also town reading skellen, but his reasons feels fabricated. It's page three. I don't know why town would make the conclusion that *any* slot is unpushable? 78 is a little better even if i disagree

and i do

lich's slot is the scummiest slot in this game.

VOTE: lich L-1


Btw guys, I had a great game with loopdan just finish - newbie 1915. I think he's /in'd for nsg's mini theme game as well if ya'll are interested in a redux

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Though tbh I miss tigger.

who?

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@flippy

What do you think of the wagon on TL?

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UNVOTE: TemporalLich

not ready for a hammer tbh

@person, what do you think about me

I actually was hoping one of the newer players (who isn't you) would notice that I gave reads on everyone but you.

I'm wavering back and forth on you. You've got a couple posts reminding people that scum can play poorly, and that's absolutely true. But I can see a motivation for scum wanting to make people paranoid (same kind of with your teacher read), and as town -i personally at least - would rather make that case surrounding a particular wagon or slot rather than as a blanket statement.

On the other hand, it's townie that you read town play articles at all (mastina's?). Especially considering as scum you could have benefited more from reading teacher's article on scum play and could have used it to push paranoia at his slot.

@teacher what's your confidence level on this slot? might sheep you if it is high

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we're on the same page. that post should have said that town can play poorly, not scum.

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@roomy actually, your play is pretty darn good if coming from first time scum in their first forum game

have you read previous games on this forum or any of the scum play articles?

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I think it's probably fair to give roomy a town read at this point. There is no scum play article by teacher. I'm having a hard time believing scum!roomy doesn't go looking for it

and im having a hard time believing scum!roomy doesn't say anything about not being able to find it given two opportunities.

could be a false positive but like.... it's probably not

one exception would be if roomy and teacher are both scum together, but given my town read on teacher, seems pretty unlikely.

@roomy are you town reading Lich? Or just not ready for the day to be over?

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I've only played one game with emp, and he was scum. He is definitely more content rich this game (which says something about his play last game ;p )

but this could very well be the next step in the evolution of scum!emp.

@roomy I thought I was clear, but I guess I'll have to do a better job of setting it up next time. rip

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I’m driving but VOTE: unvote

I was wondering why you hadn't unvoted after your post earlier. I've seen how strong of a scum hunter you are. Where are you getting town!Lich from?

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@TL have you read 159?

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I removed my RVS vote for safety, don't wish to be on a town's wagon

You hit it on the head with your read that he's trying to avoid confrontation. I don't like how he's apologizing for things like his read changes. It feels like he doesn't actually care where his reads are, and is just trying to escape an argument. The whole early game feels nervous, too with a touch of lamist (like unvoting for safety, =/ )

I'm trying to engage with TL as we speak, though, so I don't want to get deep in the weeds on this rn

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@TL have you read 159?

Just in case you missed this

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Mate, I don't think you're really trying to evaluate this game. You agreed with me about Roomy, didn't give any supporting reasons, and don't seem to realize that the entire basis of my read had been seriously called into question just posts earlier.

Is there a thought process you can share to help explain why this comes from town?

Spoiler: quotes spoiled for space

On the other hand, it's townie that you read town play articles at all (mastina's?). Especially considering as scum you could have benefited more from reading teacher's article on scum play and could have used it to push paranoia at his slot.

@roomy actually, your play is pretty darn good if coming from first time scum in their first forum game

have you read previous games on this forum or any of the scum play articles?

like you pointed out, I read a lot of mastin articles too. some of them were more directly focused on scum play, but I feel like her writings are mostly on topics that apply to both alignments abstractly; the interactivity tell article I talked about earlier is a good example. they're tools for town and things to watch for in your own play as scum.

I think it's probably fair to give roomy a town read at this point. There is no scum play article by teacher. I'm having a hard time believing scum!roomy doesn't go looking for it

and im having a hard time believing scum!roomy doesn't say anything about not being able to find it given two opportunities.

could be a false positive but like.... it's probably not

one exception would be if roomy and teacher are both scum together, but given my town read on teacher, seems pretty unlikely.

@roomy are you town reading Lich? Or just not ready for the day to be over?

tbh @person I thought you were just referencing the big list of "how to play well" articles teacher posted in his IC intro, which have plenty of good scumplay articles, but anyways.

I'm inclined to believe person is town despite the instant vote against me.

His entrance shows initiative and he analyzes everyone.

I think it's probably fair to give roomy a town read at this point. There is no scum play article by teacher. I'm having a hard time believing scum!roomy doesn't go looking for it

and im having a hard time believing scum!roomy doesn't say anything about not being able to find it given two opportunities.

could be a false positive but like.... it's probably not

one exception would be if roomy and teacher are both scum together, but given my town read on teacher, seems pretty unlikely.

@roomy are you town reading Lich? Or just not ready for the day to be over?

I'm inclined to believe you, and yeah scum roomy and teacher is not likely.

Teacher almost hits the "probably town" zone of being townie.

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@person if your townread on me was entirely based on your gambit (?) I'd argue that it shouldn't have existed in the first place. I'm not exactly convinced by your arguments towards Lich; I think that he could be "inclined to believe" your statement that "it's probably fair to give roomy a town read at this point" without needing to take your thoughts on me into account. and if you're just figuring out now that he's skimming...

Considering you asked me for a read on you earlier and I gave you one, I think it should probably be pretty clear to you that I was talking about the post he was quoting and agreeing with.

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I was referring to the entire read as laid out in the post he quoted, is what I was trying to convey. not my entire read as in my entire understanding of your slot

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if you're town, you need to start reading the game and trying to figure out who town is and who scum is.

if you're scum, well, carry on =)

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Huh, suddenly my entire world is denim and lint.

Flippy, are you wearing jeans right now, mate?

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@flippy can you go further in your clem read? or your skellen read?

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Could you talk more about how Skellen might have been trying to trap you?

this is a p townie post

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I'm under a pile of work this morning, but I've been skimming teacher, et al.

I'm happy with where my vote is. Clem, please don't let the intent period drag on too long. I want 1-2 days left just in case of claim

be around more this evening CST

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i approve of hammering

drop it whenever

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spicy nk

pr hunt? Lemme go find their reads

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Spoiler: roomy reads

like I feel like I’ve said before, I’m not super opposed to a TempralLynch for a lot of the reasons teacher mentioned; if anything his flip will certainly be informative. I still think nips is more likely to flip scum but with two days left I don’t think it’s worth going all out for him today.

again on mobile today/generally will be a little slow this weekend, I have some old friends coming to stay with me. apologies in advance

every time I check back in my faith in nips lynch > lich lynch is strengthened

on mobile, but I’d like to get some others’ impressions of Nips. I don’t understand his “everyone is playing to their meta” response to my pointing out that he was playing to his self-described scum meta. ??? I don’t think that’s a very solid tell in itself, but his weird shrugging off and then asking a softball question towards Lich after I had called him out for it is just so scummy to me. plus, he’s had plenty of time to “go through the thread,” it’s 7 pages without many walls. His ISO is pretty much entirely him avoiding pressure and giving nothing back in return.

Roomy's last few posts were all scum reading Flippy

Prior to that they didn't seem to hot on me

not too much else in the few days worth I went back

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We should consider a mass claim later today

I want to read through the thread again first, tho

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lol

before this goes somewhere I'd prefer to avoid, I want to be crystal clear here

If you're town, and you're faking this for information you need to retract your claim right now. Not tomorrow, not in 10 posts. Right. Now.

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So in your next post decide if you want to continue down this path

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teacher, I'd like good's response to be the next post in this thread if you don't particularly mind

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okieee

VOTE: good

In reality, I am the cop

And I have a green check on flippy

I've never been lynched on this site, I don't plan on having it happen now.

Flippy was an obvious choice for me - Low content, somewhat scummy, but he was basically sheeping me making the read confused.

Why would town!you investigate me?

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Clem, if for nothing else than my pride I'm asking you to read back and make an educated read on this

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I'd ask the same of you, teacher, and everyone else. Yes, a one for one trade is fine, but it still leaves town in 3 way lylo

On the other hand, lynching good today results in 4v1

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Urap - crumb?

I’m mobile but will reread tonight. Off the cuff, I have to admit I’m inclined towards believing good over urap for a variety of reasons. Either way one of you is eating rope today and the other, if necessary, tomorrow.

no crumbs

I can point you to another couple pr games without crumbs if that would be meaningful

I also have a cop game where I did crumb, but that was my first game on site

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2 vt dead in a newbie setup

There is a pretty good shot that any given newbies gets to a nearly mechanical solve after mass claim

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2 vt dead in a newbie setup

There is a pretty good shot that any given newbies gets to a nearly mechanical solve after mass claim

Consider Cop+tracker or Cop+Nea, for instance

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It actually might be still good. I haven't considered what a cc situation means for mass claim

my instincts say not to do it until this is resolved however. tomorrow it will probably be a good idea regardless of who is lynched today

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I don't know if it's a widely considered course of action

but let's say we're in column a. There are a couple of setups that can nearly solve themselves after a couple vt kills and decent investigations. It's probably not terrible to preemptively claim in those situations.

But I'm not going to try to get into good's head. There are a thousand bad reasons they could have made the claim

I had it at a 50/50 shot that good was vt trying to make a play

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Urap s day open noting roomy’s flip reads seems inconsistent with a flip investigation. If he had that info as town, I think he’d wait to see who pushed Flip based on Roomys reads.

uh i noted the dead vt's reads on flippy

and on myself

and i stopped there because they were factually inaccurate.

This is me in the dead thread if you get this wrong

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I'm gonna just leave this for a bit but put some effort into this one

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if i find a scum, i'll tell you

Another reason to believe good.

Indeed, another point for good. In contrast the only thing that hints for a PR in urap's ISO is his entrance post where he is glad that he got that slot. But that is a vague statement and can be interpreted in multiple ways (and is imo more directed at you, Clem and flippy).

The only thing that makes me wonder about urap is his mass claim comment that came in before good's claim. I can see the idea behind that with scum!urap and when scum has the roleblocker to get both PR in one swoop but #271 kind of reads like he intended to fake claim anyway. But in that case it would ultimately lead to his lynch at Day 3 at latest if he would be successful. There would always be the danger of being in a setup with a jailkeeper or another Cop (who counterclaims then) which would always mean death for him. So again a gamble. I know scum wants to rolehunt and get the PR's out of the game as fast as possible but as Clem said, a 1 for 1 trade is in the end better for town, especially if the scum gets lynched first.

On the other hand I don't think the mass claim idea would have been that good this early anyway assuming town!urap.

remind me to talk about this in post game from a theory perspective

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I don't want to insert myself into the convo atm but if I am to be the lynch today, you had better give me time to put out my solve for the last scum before you hammer

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Assuming Town!you, we are still in a good place since there is a 66% chance we have another Pr and scum has to deal with both you and Conf!town flippy.

I agree it's not a bad spot. It's not as good as if you'd make the right lynch today, but not a bad spot.

You can still give me time after intent to give a final solve. It's my last contribution to the game =)

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final scum is teacher. I was going to do a write up but there is no way that kill is done by good + a new player

VOTE: urap2

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If this is a town selfhammer I’m going to be PISSED. Don’t do that. Especially in the newb.

lamist

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GG, WP!

Congratulations! It was a lot of fun! =)

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Oh, and thank you for modding, FA!

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Really, we should have done a better job hitting prs. it ain't that bad.