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stan1ey · Post Post #400 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:52 am

Also not true, just because you're town doesn't mean youre right

Vedith · Post Post #401 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:52 am

In post 397, stan1ey wrote:Its an easy play for scum to jump in on a town 1v1, why rule it out?

Because I'm right.

Vedith · Post Post #402 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:53 am

In post 400, stan1ey wrote:Also not true, just because you're town doesn't mean youre right

Reason i said could rather than should.
But I am right.

I'm right about Rooster too

profii · Post Post #403 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:14 am

VOTE: Eyes

Vedith · Post Post #404 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:18 am

Vedith · Post Post #405 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:41 am

Eyes has gone from 0 votes to 6 without a post in between any.
Wagon is tragic

BuJaber · Post Post #406 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:42 am

I think people didn't like that you forced a 1v1, but instead of treating the problem they're treating the symptom.

Vedith · Post Post #407 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:45 am

No it's just because there's both deluded town and Scum on the wagon.
It makes much more sense to even vote me over eyes from a town perspective.

I know I'm right and you know I'm right.

BuJaber · Post Post #408 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:47 am

Yes you're right nobody should be voting eyes over you.

Vedith · Post Post #409 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:54 am

At least we can agree with something \o/

stan1ey · Post Post #410 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:58 am

I'd say we'd learn more about Vedith from an Eyes flip than vice versa

Vedith · Post Post #411 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:00 am

stan1ey · Post Post #412 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:03 am

Like it makes sense for scum Eyes to sheep Vediths vote whatever his alignment so I don't see the logic here

RCEnigma · Post Post #413 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:04 am

I don't know how many posts Stanley has but I'll go on record saying I have like 0 of them.

Vedith · Post Post #414 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:05 am

In post 412, stan1ey wrote:Like it makes sense for scum Eyes to sheep Vediths vote whatever his alignment so I don't see the logic here

So whatever he flips it doesn't change your view on me. While my flip changes the possible view on him.
Right?

BuJaber · Post Post #415 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:15 am

In post 412, stan1ey wrote:Like it makes sense for scum Eyes to sheep Vediths vote whatever his alignment so I don't see the logic here

You think so? From what I read vedith looked like he was catching more votes than roster. If vedith is town and eyes is scum why would he back the loser like that.

But if vedith is scum it would explain the vote from scum eyes.

Though either way I don't think eyes is scum. If they were partners vedith would not crucify eyes by making their connection deeper.

rosterfoster · Post Post #416 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:22 am

Eyes posted before anyone else, which to me almost feels like trying to steer the direction in favour of Vedith (you may get some sheep, and then is spirals).

The connection thing has a high degree of WIFOM. IDK what gives the more info.

profii · Post Post #417 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:22 am

As far as I can see there are more wagons in this game than the VC's reflect so it's pretty tricky for me to definitely say 'that CW appeared to keep player_X safe'

I will look at that but I'm busy until at least Wednesday to do it properly.

stan1ey · Post Post #418 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:48 am

In post 414, Vedith wrote:
In post 412, stan1ey wrote:Like it makes sense for scum Eyes to sheep Vediths vote whatever his alignment so I don't see the logic here
So whatever he flips it doesn't change your view on me. While my flip changes the possible view on him.
Right?

No, other way around

Lycanfire · Post Post #419 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:11 am

Prob should have declared v/la when I realized I wasn't getting out of bed any time soon on Saturday

In post 417, profii wrote:As far as I can see there are more wagons in this game than the VC's reflect so it's pretty tricky for me to definitely say 'that CW appeared to keep player_X safe'

I will look at that but I'm busy until at least Wednesday to do it properly.

Why wait?

Spoiler: vote data

To take your idea and run with it

At page 3 we had the emergence of 4 unique wagons: Amor, Sashaddin, BuJaber, and Joges. There wasn't anything new going on for two pages until the beginnings of the Jibril wagon (RCEnigma, BuJaber). BuJaber briefly left the wagon on page 7 to vote Vedith, but came back to it on page 8.

On page 9 Sashaddin 2.0 swapped to the Jibril wagon, which was patronized by RCEnigma as far back as page 5, which joined both Sashaddin wagons together {Creature, RCEnigma, Vedith}. Sashaddin 2.0 and Jibril were counterwagons to Creature. After the full extent of the Jibril wagon, on the next page Eyes without a face places a third vote onto Vedith, a wagon that hadn't been looked at for two pages. It tapers off and Vedith reaches his peak votes two pages later with the additions of Enigma and Rosterfoster. Vedith is in opposition to both the Jibril and Creature wagons (no migrant voters from either). It's at this point that Vedith crossvotes Rosterfoster, and Eyes goes from voting me at Vedith's request to voting Rosterfoster. Sashaddin abandons the 7-page stale Creature wagon and joins in. This is the peak of Rosterfoster's wagon.

Now to this page: Eyes without a face has 6 votes. Four of these players have voted together {Enigma, RCEnigma} {Enigma, Nero Cain, Stan1ey}, from the early peak of the BuJaber wagon and the later Vedith wagons respectively. Beyond that the remaining two players are "unique" voters (Emp, yourself) that have never been a part of a wagon. Eyes is a counter to Rosterfoster, but they aren't crossvoting (Roster is instead voting Vedith).

What does this say?

A lot and all of it baffles me. Something is going on here but it's only ever going to be supplementary evidence pre-flip. Unless you really want to call the team something simple.

That doesn't mean you can't use the data before choosing a lynch, though.

I'm trying to suspend what bias I have for the Creature wagon being abandoned in the wind and digest the pages I was absent for. I'm just going to ask questions as they come and make sense to me. Also because nobody reads my posts if I make 1 big one and fuck off.

Lycanfire · Post Post #420 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:44 am

I would start by asking the gang of 4 what they think about the previous wagons they had been on, but I remember the BuJaber wagon being a pointless one because

(1) Enigma admitted it was a pre-meditated vote
(2) I felt like RCEnigma's vote was better placed on Joges or Jibril. He aimed a question at Nero when he could have joined forces with Vedith.

In post 111, RCEnigma wrote:I feel like I don't want to vote Bujaber anymore but I also don't know if it's just because I agree about jibril.

Why did you want BuJaber to begin with?

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Enigma voted Vedith at Nero's request. Claimed it was supplementary to lynching Eyes.

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In post 232, Nero Cain wrote:none of these wagons interest me. Lets all vote Vedith. Bujabers thing about lynching Jbril to solve in Nero/RC/Veith is really bad thinking or scum that chain/lining up lynches.

You claimed you didn't care about any of the early wagons (notably Creature|Amor|Sashaddin). Why?

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In post 323, stan1ey wrote:
In post 322, rosterfoster wrote:I don't understand this Jbril wagon. But Bujaber, Flippynips, and Creature are town. I'm getting real bad feels from both eyes and Vedith. For eyes, 176 feels wrong to me. 255 from Flippynipps is accuracte I think - that was such a forced interaction. And Vedith has just been trolling, but it's not in a way which actually gets reactions, which I think is what Vedith would be trying to do as town.

VOTE: Vedith
100% agree

What in Rosterfoster's post were you agreeing with? 100% of it?

Lycanfire · Post Post #421 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:47 am

Btw... I never got an answer to the TMI tell. I found this interesting because 0verki11's response to BuJaber reminded me a lot of those male soap operas I used to watch as a kid. Like, "he can't use the stunner on that man, he's got a family! oh lawd the humanity, by god as my witness he has broken that man in half!" You know? Like it was his secret move that completely legitimized the Jibril vote.

RCEnigma · Post Post #422 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:58 am

In post 420, Lycanfire wrote:(2) I felt like RCEnigma's vote was better placed on Joges or Jibril. He aimed a question at Nero when he could have joined forces with Vedith.

In post 111, RCEnigma wrote:
I feel like I don't want to vote Bujaber anymore but I also don't know if it's just because I agree about jibril.

Why did you want BuJaber to begin with?

It was an rvs vote with not much behind it. His early interactions seemed like we were thinking along the same lines, especially in the case of jibril who's vote was very out of place and most people let it slide. It did make me re evaluate Joges but that's only really based on how jibril flips, not an analysis of Joges play itself.

Also I think you are mixing Enigma and I. I never voted sashaddin and I didn't denounce the jibril wagon.

schadd_ · Post Post #423 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:00 am

schadd_ · Post Post #424 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:00 am