Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

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DT Krazy Iso Challenge

TONE READS!!
1, 2, 5 = SAME ALIGNMENT!!
3, 4 = SAME ALIGNMENT!!

Come home sweetie the child misses you. I miss you goddamit

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Good like my lo... I mean Dann

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@Nancy yeah I know an s/s pairing is suboptimal specially when people stated they were null or scumreading them. If that's the case, I think TheBrie is the town between her and Moment. Either way, it's a good pair to lynch, better than DT and SS. Like, they've been using the argument "you're scumreading people for inactivity"; so what, you have less content and I don't like the content you have compared to the rest. If your only defense is that, eat rope, or start engaging more. (This is to no particular player btw)

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Wait what are you all talking about? I want to play too

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Game 1 is obvtown, I think 3 and 4 are town too
Game 5 is scum
Game 2 I really don't know, I'm inclined to believe scum for some similarities with 5 but he was replacing in a slot so I'm missing context.

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Those of you who are doing the DT meta challenges, I challenge you to read first 20 posts of me from this game and do the same

I am wondering how similar they are, tbh. how much I grew as a player

Yeah, your game has changed. Like, game 1 was pretty obvtown, and this is harder to be certain of your alignment. I'm starting to think you're town

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@Taly, I haven't done what I listed because I'm still phoneposting and it would take an eternity to do it; it was a reminder for when I get a computer. I'm on my vacations, this is not what I'm planning to do during them. And yes, we have played together in my main.

@Nancy I told Mr. Worm that I will leave the dance if he doesn't start giving me some content 'cause he said there's no time to talk, that we have to vote TheBrie. I can't do more than that.

@Mr. Worm, it seems that we have a lot in common regarding our reads; I understand your gimmick and I really like it, but we have to be respectful with the rest of the playerlist and at least try to sort each other and play as a team. Could you continue with your gimmick but being helpful in our love nest, please?

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Linking the game is making a pool of who I could be. I don't know how I could give you a hint, let me think something specific that only you would get.

Also Taly, you said you felt I've been avoiding you: not answering your questions is not avoiding if I engage with you twice about those questions and explicitly state that I don't want to answer them.

Good luck in classes, don't take out your phone!

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To be fair, I skipped that wall too. Big walls on phone are a no no. By the way Krazy, I posted my results to your game, did you spoil the answers already?

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VOTE: THEBREAD

Talk about some of your reads?

I mean that was a read gamma lol

He said brie is scum because she's skipping walls. Agree or not that is a read

I wanted more reads than his TheBrie read though.

I have him busy in our love nest, if you know what I mean

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What does PB have to do with your replace out? It was Slaxx you were fighting with.

Opposite of what I meant; PB has done me a solid before so I feel bad because if I'd known I would have tried to return the favor and kept my cool longer with Slaxx.

Quite the opposite, I'm the one in debt with you. This is the only main crumb I'll do. This is towards you, @Taly. If you don't get who I am yet, I would say that your visible capacity for althunting, or better said, your lack of it, is very cheap.

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PB mind if I tell Taly in our PT?

People will read them later, I don't want to be that explicit

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Krazy

has already said he doesn't want our PT leaked. I'm respecting his wishes.

In the hypothetical situation he DOES tell me, I'm going to be 100% adamant on our PT not being leaked.

But I'll wait for him to confirm or change his mind about our PT privacy,

PB

^_^ Regardless, it's your decision to give

Krazy

permission, but I don't want to out you.

...back to Math studying...

If you don't out the PT I have no problems with him telling you, then. But I want to know what Krazy thinks of my slot now that he thinks he knows who I am

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I'm guessing you're getting caught up but I'm curious how you feel about DT at this point PB when you get through these last pages, PB.

I told Mr. Worm before catching up that, because of your ISO game, I was starting to believe that DT is town and that I don't want that pairing leave the dance

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Oh everyone is scumreading DT? Hmmm not good with my theory that Krazy is the deepwolf and avoiding the lynch of Moment/TheBrie. Can we lynch that pair first and then if you want we lynch DT?

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By the way, Mr. Worm is town. He's way more thoughtful than a lot of players here, including me. He gave townie points to Nancy for something I didn't even notice, for example, and that says that he reevaluates his reads instead of following an agenda ('cause Mr. Worm was and is pretty paranoid about Nancy)

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"all my friends are deathtunneling each other" a Ted Talk by Pink Ball

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VOTE: Moment

By the way if by any chance DT flips scum don't @ me with "you were derailing his wagon" 'cause you guys don't know Moment/TheBrie's alignment

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does ANYBIDY townread BOTH MOMENT/THEBREAD??

ANYBIDY??

RC does!

RC was scumreading Urist, so he had to be wrong on at least one townread. Which is it if it's not Moment or TheBrie?

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I'm guessing you're getting caught up but I'm curious how you feel about DT at this point PB when you get through these last pages, PB.

I told Mr. Worm before catching up that, because of your ISO game, I was starting to believe that DT is town and that I don't want that pairing leave the dance

And now?

Because of the wagon and how he started engaging, I think he's town. Why effort now instead of predance if scum?

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I would love some credit into my reads too. I was wrong on Allo yeah, but I was right about Urist when almost everybody had him as null/scum, even RC. I was right about RC and Ank when people were paranoid on at least one of them, and I was right about Vedith and Fire since the begining of the game, when people thoufbtt Vedith was being useless and scummy.

I get that you guys think "how can be that easy, that one of Moment/TheBrie is scum? There must be something else..."; well, it ain't. That pair will give us our first red flip, and then we can get associations. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

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RC was scumreading Urist, so he had to be wrong on at least one townread. Which is it if it's not Moment or TheBrie?

What kind of logic is this?

He didn't have everyone as either "town" or "scum"... he had two locktown pairs and Moment/Brie was one of them.

What I mean is that, iirc, he had three scummiest players, and one of them is conftown, so he has to be wrong about one of the rest of the playerlist. Is a math argument, not an opinion

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Oh ok I get the argument against lynching Moment and TheBrie first. I still think there's scum there.

@DT if I came and voted you, you would have said the same. Why the fuck defending you would be opportunistic

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I'm not saying we have to treat RC is gospel, we probably shouldn't

But to say one of the players he wanted to get rid of flipping IC means Moment/Brie contains scum is completely wrong

You're making a logical jump that I'm not doing. I said that, if RC had three players as the scummiest and he was wrong on one of them, then he was wrong on at least one other player who wasn't in his lynchpool. I never said he HAS to be wrong about Moment/TheBrie; that's my take. I think he was wrong about one of them, that's my opinion

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like "ok ppl are scum reading DT. let's lynch moment/thebrie and then lynch DT ?"

thats scum 101

No, you dense mofo. If Moment/TheBrie flips red, people will get associations, I clearly stated that. That would save your ass of being mislynched, something that you clearly are not being able to do

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What I mean is that, iirc, he had three scummiest players, and one of them is conftown, so he has to be wrong about one of the rest of the playerlist. Is a math argument, not an opinion

That's not what RC had at all and a complete misrep

He basically stated that he wanted Pvt/Gamma/Dt/SS dead but not that he necessarily scum read them. His major thing was that Dann/Nancy and Moment/Brie should be the endgame pairings. Just because PvT flipped town doesn't mean his four confident reads are somehow wrong. He was also insistent that he didn't trust the Taly/Krazy pairing.

This logic does not follow

Oh you're discussing semanthics?? He had a four players lynchpool, sorry for considering that as "the scummiest players he had as reads"

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like "ok ppl are scum reading DT. let's lynch moment/thebrie and then lynch DT ?"

thats scum 101

No, you dense mofo. If Moment/TheBrie flips red, people will get associations, I clearly stated that. That would save your ass of being

mislynched

, something that you clearly are not being able to do

dude. did u just scum slip me town

I'm townreading you, idiot. I have talked about people being mislynched since the begining of the game according to my reads

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And once again, Dann, I never even implied that because RC was wrong on one of his "lynchpool" reads, means that he was wrong about one of his "endgame" reads. I think Moment/TheBrie flips scum, it has nothing to do with RC's reads. But you said that RC was townreading both of them and I stated that he was wrong on Urist so there's still space for another player to be scum out of his lynchpool, and ME AKA PINK BALL thinks is in Moment/TheBrie.

I think I can't be clearer about this

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Oh you're discussing semanthics?? He had a four players lynchpool, sorry for considering that as "the scummiest players he had as reads"

Sorry, I'm not being clear.

His "lynch pool" was everyone in the game except for the two pairs he strongly town read.

But he talked about Urist/Gamma/DT/SS as you stated before. I'm talking about that specific lynchpool

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At this point dear, you can agree to disagree 'cause you got different reads, but I'm trying to explain my logic so you can understand where I'm coming from

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Pinkie ball, you scum read both moment and thebrie?

i personally think scums will try to avoid being lovers with each other

who do you think are the other scum?

No, I think it's only Moment. Before this day I thought Moment/ThwBrie and you/SS would contain the three scums. Now I think it's only Moment and Krazy as partner. The third one I have literally no idea.

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@Krazy I wouldn't hinted so hard my main if I was afraid of being scumread I was legitimately curious from your perspective in particular, that makes a lot of sense I think.

My theory of Moment/You is that you seem to have his pairing on your bottom three, but you will never push him at all. Like right now, when I haven't even explained my theory, you post a big wall where I'm bussing Moment as the first alternative. Not that those alternatives were ordered by preference, but the simple fact that you put it on first says something. What I mean is, you lynch DT/SS, they flip town, you then go for me/Worm instead of Moment/TheBrie, because from the begining of this day you started setting up that turn around on me. So is my theory wacky? No, it makes sense, based on my reads. So that's why I asked everyone if we could lynch Moment first.

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Fuck I didn't see the flip, now I look like an idiot.

Dann, sweetheart, I have defended all my townreads like that. Explain why do you think my interactions with DT seems fake? 'cause they're pretty legit if I could say so myself. I was saying that my reads have been pretty good this game and DT got me. I had him in my lynchpool until I played the ISO game Krazy did and I got almost every single game right, and reread DT's ISO and I thought he was town, so being confident on that read made me defend him.

Sorry, I was wrong, and Krazy is conftown for me now. Krazy if you want to lynch me I get it, but please consider that I'm flipping green and there's still two scumplayers; even if Moment is scum, there's a deepwolf between the sheep

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And @Dann, do you realize that DT was taking whatever he could to protect his scummates rather than himself? Him making that posts towards me to make them feel like distancing should be favouring me instead of damning.

Would scum!DT push TheBrie like that if paired with scum!Moment? Was he trying to get a townpair mislynched before dying or trying to make them mookt good after he flipped?

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Gotta go sleep, night night everybody. @Mr. Worm, let's talk about the flip on our lovers nest

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Why would I vote DT before Moment/TheBrie if I'm more inclined to believe that the second is a two scum pair vs DT who is paired to someone that could be town

One last thing: this is proof I was scumreading DT until I played Krazy's ISO game. This post was like 5-6 posts before playing it. I know I'm being a hypocrite since I thought Krazy could be Moment's partner because he was avoiding that lynch and I'm trying to be townread when I tried to avoid DT's lynch lmfao but whatever I have redeem my slot somehow so I have to share everything I can. My selfawareness is not scummy btw is just me sharing everything I think

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I think #2510 and #2947 come from scum who has realized pocketing me and riding that pair to end game isn't actually going to pan out, so they'll take a widely town read player in Dr Worm who people generally like having around instead. Then, he'll paint it as an "easy mislynch" far far in advance as a pre-emptive defense for when they fall into the PoE.

VOTE: PB

Omg I didn't read this, are you fucking blind? You're like assuming I know that you're town, when you were one of my biggest townreads and I was having fun. Letting you pair with Nancy was protown from my perspective, why the fuck would scum!me not try to insist more and put more effort in pairing with you? Scum!me pockets you 100% in that case sweetheart.

And aay what you want about Worm, I was absolutely right when I said I would become lynchbait if I paired with him. Exhibit A: you right now.

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Guys I have a solid plan, hear me out.

We should all say who do you want to be the two remaining pairs for endgame, and when we reach a majority, the remaining three pairs leave the dance. That way we avoid WIFOM, we don't give scum the chance to derail conversation or distance between themselves thinking for endgame. We can see true intentions knowing which pair they want for endgame 'cause I think there's some concensus going on about some pairs. This is basically putting scum between a rock and a hard place, 'cause they have to be consistent with what they have stated during the game. Also we give more time to the remaining pairs to solve the game if by any chance the game isn't over after six flips.

I'll start, and we're going to do it popcorn way.

I want Krazy/Taly and Dann/Nancy at the endgame

Krazy/Taly should state their pairings now (I'm suggesting those activity wise; if we wait for Moment to do this we'll never get results)

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So the only flaw you can see here is that, if both scum reach the endgame, town loses, but they have to place themselves in the endgame pair to do that. The only way this could happen if both scum members are deepwolves. If that's the case, I think the game's over either way, but I'm convinced that there will be at least one red flip in PB/Worm/Gamma/TheBrie/Moment, if not two

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Those are the 5 people that will be flip, I wasn't stating my lynchpool lol I wouldn't put myself in my lynchpool. I think it's Moment/Gamma right now, Taly but that's the point, it doesn't matter, we are all flipping if we all agree in the endgame pairs.

I'll take your strongest townreads as your endgame pairings' choice, right?

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? I think I just said that I think it's Moment and Gamma, did I forget to submit that?

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And no, the whole point is letting the last pairing go to endgame with enough time to make the right decision and not making the three pairings leave in a particular order. If we decide that you, Krazy, Nancy and Dann go to endgame, thebrie and moment leave and both flip town and we stop, it was a waste of time talking about endgame pairings. As I said, I think it's imposible that there's both scum in the endgame pairs I proposed, and if they are, then we will eventually lose either way 'cause the other three pairs (that includes mine) has much more scum equity. What we are doing here is accelerating things a little so if by any chance the game doesn't end at the named pairs leave.

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Dann was townread by almost everyone on pre dance, I think Urist was the only pushing him. And stating a townread on Mr. Worm on pre dance doesn't mean he's not lynchbait bdcauset of lack of presence

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And Dr Worm had DT and Moment as scumleans, TheBrie as scum and paranoid about you, Nancy. I'm pretty sure you have asked this before

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Nancy, two endgame pairs. Go.

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That's the point Nancy: if I'm wrong, an endgame pairing will have better chances to get the remaining deepwolf than with the remaining pairings as distractions and noise. I know I'm town and people has doubts on me: I'm making the endgame pairing lose time. Better leave as early as possible so they can focus

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? I think I just said that I think it's Moment and Gamma, did I forget to submit that?

Oh sorry, I didn’t see that. I’m not convinced of moment scum, considering both RC and And were locktown on her. I was thinking Gamma could be scum but DT didn’t fall on his sword for her.

You also thought DT was town, when he was blatantly open wolfing, so I’m not thinking you’re reads are the best this game, sorry.

I was scumreading him before I ISOed him, that was my fault. Don't judge me for getting paranoid when the game feels easy, everyone has done it here

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Ok so Nancy, Taly and me: Nancy/Dann and Taly/Krazy.

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@Taly, Mr. Worm and I are not going to endgame so don't worry too much about us. I'll leave as soon as we get everyone's opinion on endgame's pairs. Or even before that if it's taking too long to gather info. Focus on what would you do if the game is still going if there's you, Krazy, Dann and Nancy alive.

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Yeah you're right, it will be easier after six flips.

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@Taly even if you would like Mr. Worm and me alive, we have to be clear that we will leave before you/Krazy and Nancy/Dann. If we don't leave, you would lynch us before the other pair either way, so it's the same conclusion I'm making. I think of myself as a powerful town, but that doesn't matter if I go to endgame and get mislynched because the other pairing was universally townread and they are townreading each other. I don't want to put town into that situation. So yeah, I think it's Gamma and Moment, and I'd love to see them flip before me, but that doesn't change too much. As far as I'm concerned, the three "not endgame" pairs are flipping at the same time. That's practically impossible, but I'm making it theorically possible.

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I don't agree with him, I would totally introduce a mechanic like that if I thought that my scumpartner can win the game for us. But I really don't know what will happen if the game continues after six flips. Also I will flip town so it doesn't matter that he's wrong.

Do you agree with my proposal? Who do you want at endgame?

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Yo that list was about who should pair with each other, not a readlist

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I was townreading both Urist and Gamma and I wanted them paired. I was scumreading Moment and Allo at that time

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PvtUrist/Gamma and Moment/TheBrie. If Moment and TheBrie has both been null/scumread by a lot of players, better have them together than separated. Also Pvt is town and Gamma probably

Likez three posts before I was saying this

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I was townreading both Urist and Gamma and I wanted them paired. I was scumreading Moment and Allo at that time

Yeah, and in that case, Moment would have been the second to last pairing in your list

No one writes a list, as town, that has the person getting lynched at the bottom, and then has a townread as the second to last pairing in that list

It just doesn't happen

It was a list with pairing suggestions, not reads. I don't get what you're not getting.

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Krazy in what universe I suggest this as scum. You want me lynched and I'm telling you I'm gonna leave either way so you don't have to worry about it. I already said I'm sorry for being wrong on DT and I agree I'm a liability, so I'm leaving. I was trying to help town by seeing what scum suggests as the final pairing. You're making not sense at all

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It was a list with pairing suggestions, not reads. I don't get what you're not getting.

The end of day pairings were based on reads... so the logical structure of your list makes no sense from a town!PB pov

No. It was a pairing list, not a readlist. You're reaching. And I'm starting to get concerned. What the fuck are you trying to acomplish with this if I'm telling you that I'll leave the dance?? If you think I'm scum, I don't win the game by leaving my partner alone at endgame: the endgame fellas have the chance to get him. So what the hell are you doing? Are you scum??

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What a fucking joke.

@Nancy, Dann and Taly, if the game's not over after the six flips, lynch Krazy.

Also, force votes on the other two pairs if they are not leaving by themselves. @Urist, you'll have to help with that. Don't leave before Moment and TheBrie.

Leave the dance

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<3 to everyone. Krazy you having a case on me doesn't say anything about you; my suggestion had no scum sense at all and you still being paranoid about me is scummy. Good luck everyone!! Dann, I will remember youuuu (8)

Pedit: not tilted I love you

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And there's no need of reads if you follow my instructions.

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I tried to talk to you, Krazy. What you didn't realize is that I wasn't trying to get townread or change your mind; what's the point if I wouldn't go to endgame because it would be pro scum? I didn't make you look bad here sweetie, you made it yourself. I'm sorry if you're town, good luck if you are <3

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Before thisnI thought Dann was the deepwolf tho. I was going to suggest lynching him if the game's not over with the four of you. But Dann understood exactly what I was doing. Maybe it was because he's confident about himself winning at endgame? Maybe. Sorry for the final WIFOM, but I'm throwing a lifesaver to Krazy if he happens to be town.

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What's the point if we're all gonna leave or get lynched before you, Taly, Nancy and Dann. I'm accelerating things so you get enough time, I said that a few times already. Weren't you the one advocating for get this game going because we got only 5 real days to be over?

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@Nancy have you seen La La Land? Dann is Ryan Gosling and I'm Emma Stone. You don't have to worry

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Krazy could you tell me what's the point of getting better reads on Moment/TheBrie if they're going to leave the dance either way? There's enough content already to make associations, we need flips

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What's the point if we're all gonna leave or get lynched before you, Taly, Nancy and Dann. I'm accelerating things so you get enough time, I said that a few times already. Weren't you the one advocating for get this game going because we got only 5 real days to be over?

Yes, but I never said S_S should leave the dance. I want *fast wagons* not *fast leaves*.

I mean, you maybe bought us ?9 hours?, because we probably were going to see wagons develop tonight (or that's what I was thinking would happen). So thank you for that. It's not like you're the first person to ever leave one of these dances faster than expected, you're just a lot more reasonable so I thought our repartee would be interesting.

9 hours!!!! Dude you're understimating what I'm suggesting. After I flip, moment and thebrie should flip inmediately, and then Urist Gamma. I'm giving you endgame fellas at least, AT LEAST, two real days

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FUCK DID

PB

JUST LEAVE?

It doesn't matter if you guys flip the other two pairs we talked about!

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DANNIEL MURIEL FLORENT, YOU SHOULD HAVE PAIRED WITH YOUR TRUE LOVE. LOSING THE GAME IS KARMA HITTING YOU IN THE FACE, WITH A CAR, AT FULL SPEED, DRIVEN BY AN ELEPHANT WHO SITS IN YOUR FACE AFTER HITTING YOU WITH HIS CAR, AND IT'S A HUGE CAR 'CAUSE IT HAS TO BE FOR THE ELEPHANT TO DRIVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. But I digress. YOU UNFAITHFUL BASTARD

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@nancy I townread you before the replace out thing and kept townreading you after that. I was defending you from Fire at the begining because your game was very similar to your towngames, much more than in the first versiom where I correctly scumread you. We're still sisters right? You could be the evil twin, like in Wicked. We should sing defying gravity

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@Krazy I'm really really sorry for tilting you that way, but now that you know that it was Nancy, do you think a convo about your push on me would've helped determine she was the remaining scum? We had different optimal strategies that collided: my idea was flipping all the lynchbaity pairings so you could discuss who is the deepwolf with enough time, since there were 200 pages already. But it wasn't my intention to discredit you, the timing was wrong. Sorry!!

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DANNIEL MURIEL FLORENT

also kinda hot when you call me by my full name js

I can't stay mad at you

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I don't think I've ever been called by my full name before

There's a college anthem in latin called "Gaudeamus Igitur" that kept coming to my mind when I read your name 'cause it sounds like gaudeamus, so I can call you Ankamius Igitur from now on.

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You're peanut butter

I'm PB so I'm actually peanut butter. I'm looking for someone with a J in their name to make the PB & J hydra

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This is getting kinky. Can I be part of it?

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Put your hands behind your head PB

Omg omg I'm so excited

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He's not. Ank said "how dare you rolling scum with me duck" referring to the first iteration of this game, not this one. The worst was spectating the game, he couldn't be playing it at the same time

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TOO MANY WORDS FOR DR WORM!!

BUT DR WORM HAD FUN GAME!! EVERYBIDY WINS!!

You're the best, honey.

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With everyone being the best, no one will be