Open 69 - Two of Four Mafia (a9) - Game Over before 592

[Korts]

Finally, thread's open.

Vote: DarlaBlueEyes

for being the first to be voted.

[Korts]

*blue eyes grow really big*

*lip quivers*

mean boys!!

Aww that's sweet.

[Korts]

Dammit, I won't understand a thing the way you guys bawl.

[Korts]

OMGUS, OMGUS *runs round in circles*

[Korts]

Anyway, Texasans?

[Korts]

I told you I won't understand your kinda talk.

[Korts]

That's really the only bit of information we have to analyze right now: the fact that he self-voted.

why would someone do that? It doesn't make sense this early in the game (does it ever?)

Maybe someone trying overly hard not to be scummy?

Okay, now go off an analyze me

FoS: Everyone!!/b] let's start the convo.

Self-voting in RVS isn't something indicative of alignment. If it makes sense at all, it makes sense this early in the game. I mean, you think he should vote himself later, when there's more of a case against him?

There are players who regularly start games by self-voting (UltimaAvalon, chaos_diablo I know of) and this is more of a playstyle than a scumtell in the randomvote stage.

unvote, vote natirasha

. Didn't s/he self-vote? I hate that.

unvote, vote: Lowell

Putting a player at L-2, a) this early in the game and b) just for selfvoting in random stage is very suspect.

[Korts]

glad you guys could kiss and make up but are you gonna do anything useful with that vote now poj?

I'll wait for a while before placing it on the biggest lurker.

unvote, vote: pojedinac

/agree

I'd first like Lowell to reply, though.

We're still in the frivolous voting stage. And L-2 is a far cry from getting lynched. Do you honestly think that two scum would really pounce on this L-2 opportunity?

I don't know whether two scum would pounce on this or not, but it's reckless to assume that, ah, they wouldn't and then proceed to put someone at L-2 on the second page.

[Korts]

Wow, noted. Placing your vote on him for him asking you to be active?

[Korts]

Point. I mean, if you'd said that the scummiest by far thing in the game is rofl asking for activity, naturally your vote would be well placed. Naturally.

[Korts]

Ooo I'm in blue. Jealous?

Very. Care to reply to me?

[Korts]

Snoochy Boochies

what are they?

[Korts]

unvote, vote: Lowell

Putting a player at L-2, a) this early in the game and b) just for selfvoting in random stage is very suspect.

The question's, why?

[Korts]

Okay, yeah. That's a lame reason for putting someone at L-2. But at least I got the reply.

unvote

rofl, I'd rather not have Lowell at L-2, either.

[Korts]

There's nothing wrong with L-2 once we have a discussion rolling, I agree with that. But if he says he NEVER tolerates self-voting, I'm sure he can provide links, right, Lowell?

[Korts]

Yeah, sure, in a minute. It's only page 4, I'll find something.

make it snappy.

[Korts]

interesting events...

vote Lowell

just for pressure sake

Saying it's just for pressure will only inform everyone that you'd remove your vote if anything serious happened. With that, though,

Vote: Lowell

L-1, claim time, baby.

[Korts]

korts- taken together, 77 and 109 don't make much sense. Nothing changed between those posts other than he now thinks he can get away with it. possible scum

Yeah. Didn't explain in full. The exact reason for my vote was that nothing changed. Your posting hasn't become more helpful, with the possible exception of post 101.

Also,

I'm your mother.

unvote

Sorry, mum.

About your thoughts, I don't think there's anything more for me to address.

[Korts]

Also,

HoS: Korts

as he didn't even get the claim he asked for and still unvoted. I'm smelling Lowell-Korts scumpair.

The vote was for continued lack of contribution, therefore I think my vote would have had no reason to stay on Lowell after his analysis of everyone, since I would call that contribution.

[Korts]

unvote, vote: alabaska j

/agree

Vote: Alabaska J

[Korts]

actually, Darla, I think it's syke, not skye. but nm

[Korts]

Well, that was... anticlimactic.

I wouldn't have expected the NK to be Lowell, he was acting pretty scummy. The mafia are either idiots, or are trying to generate WIFOM.

As a side note, mod, that's pretty awesome flavor.

[Korts]

I'm sorry if I'm too tired to understand, but how is asking for a votecount a valid point in the case against rofl?

Also, I jumped on without explanation because I thought it was obvious why I did. I already had bitched about Lowell not being helpful, and he kept that up.

[Korts]

rofl, your almost-OMGUS is noted. But what you say about Natirasha's posts is pretty important. Too bad you only isolated his posts because you wanted a reason behind your OMGUS.

The flaw in your FoS on me is that your vote didn't have any reason to it, either. Actually, I was kinda waiting for you to jump on me at the time for not giving a reason.

[Korts]

I agree that in isolation, Natirasha's posts are scummy enough to warrant a vote. I'm not actually fazed by your vote on him, I just noted that your suspicion of him started out with him suspecting you. Funny world, that's all I'm saying.

When you quote a post, then vote somebody, you probably should explain, because some people might think you just quoted randomly and tried to imply there was something scummy in it. Actually, I saw that particular post of Alabaska's as scummy, too. I have my reasons, I just didn't state them. A bit hypocritical that you would FoS me for the exact thing you did.

About the buddying up, all I can say is, great minds think alike, and you seem to post before me a lot. What can I do, rephase? Heck, I'm not made of time like that.

[Korts]

Also, Korts' refusal to even acknowledge me much less to refute anything I'm saying about him to instead concentrate on distancing himself from roflcopter is duly noted.

I don't see you accusing me of anything. What should I have replied to?

[Korts]

If you mean post 151, I replied to that. If you mean post 153, that was a point in the case against rofl, therefore after you clarified it for me what you meant, I thought it proper to leave it to rofl to address it. I think it's a null tell, really, though.

[Korts]

dcorbe, have I answered what you wanted me to?

[Korts]

People Who Need To Post:

Sykedoc
Pojedinac

People Who Need To Post Content:

Natirasha

People Who Need To Reply To Me:

dcorbe

[Korts]

What would others say to the question of whether I answered everything you wanted me to or not? srsly

[Korts]

For now, my best bet would be you, dcorbe. You still haven't answered to me, whether I have replied to everything you wanted me to. If I have, then I don't understand why you felt the need to ask me to reread page 7 in post 167, because every point I replied to, I only restated after that post. Therefore your pushing of this "observation" that I seemingly haven't/hadn't replied to is just you trying to show me in a bad light. And if I haven't answered yet to your observation, I don't see how it wouldn't be in the town's best interests to provide me a chance to slip up, therefore your lack of restatement of this observation leads me to believe that there isn't, in fact, such an observation.

[Korts]

Where did I say you were pushing a wagon? I said you were pushing the notion that I was avoiding an answer to you, which is false.

[Korts]

"observation"=/=wagon. sorry, no cookie.

Let me ask you again, do you have anything for me to answer, or have I answered whatever you wanted me to?

[Korts]

K. Well then, let's give the others the opportunity to contribute. There's no real point to this argument.

[Korts]

Darla, I'd like to point out in regards to your short player analysis (let's call it an analysis for want of a better word) that syke had only one post, therefore the statement "how he acted in a few of his posts" is a bit, you know, misleading. As in, like he had more than one post, and like that one post had any more content than "sorry, will reread" which isn't indicative of his townness at all. I'm not very satisfied with your analysis of me, either. Scummy, but overall town? You trying to echo others while buddying up to me? Also, you name all the vocal players as town. You're making this a bit too obvious.

I realize you may not have time enough, but please try to post something a little more detailed and perhaps more accurate.

Vote: Darla

Until you make an actual contribution.

[Korts]

Indifferent to me, dcorbe? I'm insulted.

For now,

unvote

I'm mildly illuminated and at least I got what I wanted from DBE.

[Korts]

Indifferent to me, dcorbe? I'm insulted.

For now,

unvote

I'm mildly illuminated and at least I got what I wanted from DBE.

WIOFM

What's WIFOM about this?

[Korts]

Hey, SG (mind if I abbreviate? I'm lazy like that). Awaiting a more thorough analysis, hopefully.

[Korts]

If there's anyone I'm curious about it's Darla, though Korts has me rather interested too. Overall, Darla doesn't seem anywhere as shifty as Korts does. The thing about people's oversights as that either they are skimming through things or tend to generally not pay as much attention, or are purposely avoiding question. I believe Darla is more the former.

With this you imply that I on the other hand am the latter. Please point out what question it is that I'm supposedly avoiding. I try to make it a point of mine to answer everything.

[Korts]

K, fine. But your wording implies that.

[Korts]

The rofl wagon is dumb.

Sorry, it's only been ~48 hours, but seriously dude. You need to wake up an address some of these concerns.

If we lynch you now that will be 2 lynches in 10 pages. The probability of the result being 2 mis-lynches is very high and very bad for the town. If you are pro-town then you really need to start defending yourself and building cases instead of demanding quick lynches.

vote: dcorbe

You're really playing the self- and town-conscious townie, with the "OMG not two lynches in then pages!" and the way you're insinuating that rofl might very possibly be town. Yet your vote is on him. Why, if you think he's probably town, do you put him at L-1? Oh, you unvote later, but that won't save you in my eyes.

[Korts]

But how's dcorbe rolefishing, rofl? I don't see that.

[Korts]

Oh dear. Well, Nat, either you have nothing to defend yourself with or you're simply not putting much effort into this game.

Combination of both, really.

unvote, vote: Natirasha

Put him out of his misery.

[Korts]

Hey, Azimuth. Thanks for replacing.

[Korts]

K, that's L-1.

[Korts]

WHAT? Checking.

... Yeah. I'd rather have withheld until you had some proper analyzing done, Azimuth. Well, I guess we'll find out if we made the right decision.

[Korts]

Here I am, and admittedly, I haven't yet read through the blocks of text, only Azimuth's.

It's obvious we have a power role who stopped the kill. More on this in my next post.

Also, dcorbe or Azimuth, but preferably both of you please unvote, it's been less than a page into Day 3 and Darla's at L-1. We don't want another quicklynch.

[Korts]

Firstly, I don't like how dcorbe is conducting the town with the following:

@Korts: Who should we be focusing on and why?

@Azimuth: What do you think of all of this?
@Korts: Who should we be focused on and why

I'd also like to hear from *EVERYONE* what their thoughts are on Korts.

Also, dcorbe, you should add quotes when you do a post by post analysis. It's much easier for everyone, and it shouldn't be much bother to you since you're reading the analyzed posts anyway.

4) I think it's awfully suspicious that you're trying to confirm a kill. That's a huge newbie scum tell. You submitted a name to the mod and you're wondering why the kill didn't go through. There's really no other reason to attempt to confirm a kill especially since the mod basically spelled out the scene for us all.

I don't think this is suspcious all that much. It's natural curiosity to want to know why there was no NK, although it's also against the town in that it's mild rolefishing. You're overreacting this point.

5) Post 138 "Must obey the bunny" jumping on a bandwagon with no reasoning. A bandwagon which you were dead wrong on, and to make matters worse that was the hammer drop

You say this like you weren't on the wagon... sigh, hypocrite scum, gah.
[quote="dcorbe]6) Post 146. You tell me I made a good point, but then you FoS me because I was on the wagon right behind you. That is an OMGUSy reaction as I pointed out to you in post 148 [/quote] Actually, I call BS. If you quoted (maybe it's healthier for your case if you don't quote?) it would be apparent that the FoS you get because you tried to dismiss a point in the case against you before anyone else brought it up (your suspect dying).

7) Post 169.. Again.. following roflcopter onto the WRONG bandwagon. Seriously, buddy up much?

WRONG bandwagon. Is that, you think, a valid point, that it turned out to be a WRONG wagon?

Her Post 214 I don't see where it's buddying up to rofl.

The rest I pretty much can agree with, but can anyone else see how this case is intertwined with BS? Seriously, man.

On to Darla's "defense".

Starting out with some personal OMGUS stuff, me not like at all. Then some WIFOM with sending the kill etc. But it was WIFOM coming from dcorbe, too. And then, personal, personal, personal, sigh. No valid defense really from DBE.

And then the reply from dcorbe, I'm not even going to bother with that.

Here's what I see. dcorbe is pushing a borderline valid case on Darla, and Darla's replying with a bad defense. I think this is a desperate attempt at bussing, maybe a build-up for a false cop claim. dcorbe has been vocal either for or against Darla most of the time, and Darla has made it a point of hers to include dcorbe in every argument of hers. I'm seeing odd dynamics between the two of them. I'm 80% sure we've got a scumpair, ladies and gents.

About the power role: do NOT claim yet. Only claim if you have a confirmed innocent and he's about to be lynched.

[Korts]

Good luck with the exam, Prozac.

[Korts]

I don't know why I have to say this in every game, but confirming a vote doesn't do you any good. It's just a useless formality, man.

[Korts]

I still think this fight is staged. I know you asked me some things, dcorbe, and I promise I'll reply to them after breakfast.

@Azimuth: I thought for a moment that there are five of us. Dunno why.

[Korts]

Fine, I agree that the power role successful tonight claiming helps the town more than it hurts it, so here goes.

I'm the Roleblocker. I blocked dcorbe tonight. Therefore I'm pretty sure he's mafia.

[Korts]

@korts,

In response to a couple of your questions:

Yes, I believe the fact that she's following roflcopter onto the wrong wagons is relevant because she keeps doing it, and further defending roflcopter's voting record by calling it "aggressive scum hunting". Keep that comment in mind when you go back and reread roflcopter. He really hasn't done much scum hunting at all and he's done absolutely zero to justify his votes.

But you state it as if she must know it's the wrong wagon. That is not an objective point. If she's scum, she knows. If she isn't, she doesn't. Being on a wagon that turns out later to be wrong isn't damning, if it would be, hell, you'd be a hypocrite.

Also I would pose to you this question: Why is my case against Darla so "borderline?" What has she done so far to justify her voting record? Please quote posts if you can.

Why do you ask those two questions as if they had anything to do with each other? Your case is borderline because, while you have some fair points, it's intertwined with BS (see above, for instance). I never said she justified her voting record. That's another business.

When I confonted Darla about her voting record, she seems to be doing everything she can to discredit her aggressors instead of responding intelligently to the criticism levied against her. Do you not agree that a lot her actions towards me have been very OMGUSy? And do you not agree that OMGUS is a scum tell?

I agree that Darla is scummy, and yes, when you get down to it her arguments boil down to OMGUS, but I never denied that. Why are you trying to set me up like this?

The few points she did try to legitimately mount a defense against were the points I brought up about her bandwagoning. She tried to explain that she was pressure voting and that it's a valid scum hunting technique. It is true, pressure votes can be a useful scum hunting tool but you usually have to back up your vote with a case as well, because otherwise scum could simply hide behind that excuse to justify their votes with no real case against their victim.

-Daniel

What you say is true, but I don't see why you're explaining this to me, buddy.

[Korts]

Fine, I agree that the power role successful tonight claiming helps the town more than it hurts it, so here goes.

I'm the Roleblocker. I blocked dcorbe tonight. Therefore I'm pretty sure he's mafia.

You couldn't possibly have roleblocked me because I'm the doctor and interestingly enough I'm pretty convinced that you're town because you were my choice for the night.

This also means I'll probably be NKed tonight, but this game isn't fun to me anymore anyways mostly because of DBE's attitude.

Hell, that's stupid. That claim would mean scum didn't send in a kill? I call BS. Don't confuse the town, plz.

[Korts]

Hell, this shit is confusing me. I really don't know if you're BSing or not, who knows, maybe scum didn't send a kill after all, to lure a power role into claiming.

[Korts]

Anyway, if you're town, you wouldn't/shouldn't say "why don't you just lynch me" because, hey, we're in LYLO, methinks. We can't afford to mislynch.

[Korts]

Hell, this shit is confusing me. I really don't know if you're BSing or not, who knows, maybe scum didn't send a kill after all, to lure a power role into claiming.

It would be kind of stupid for the scum not to kill.

Well, yeah. But I can't think of any other option other than you being scum and doing some pretty unorthodox and insensible fakeclaiming.

[Korts]

We wait for everyone else to check in, in case there's a counterclaim.

[Korts]

*facepalm*

dcorbe, this is how it goes: when a power role is claimed, we wait for a counterclaim. until then, hold your fire.

[Korts]

Mind if I vote you for being stupid?

[Korts]

Mind if I vote you for being stupid?

you're not as clever as you think you are.

Who's trying to be clever? You're reacting badly to my proposition that we should wait for a possible counterclaim. This is standard procedure in the event of a doc claim, and in this setup, in the event of any claim of a power role.

[Korts]

-is reading through the last page-

For what it's worth, I'm town.

So, dcorbe, if Korts and roflcopter are scum, than that leaves DBE to be roleblocker?

I can't really speculate DBE's role at this point. All I know is Korts is lying through is teeth. That only leaves DBE or roflcopter as the other scum and as much of a shit attitude as she's been copping lately I still think roflcopter is far more likely to be flip scum.

And what convinced you that I'm lying through my teeth? The fact that I asked you to wait for a counterclaim? Now you're talking.

[Korts]

No, the fact that you claim to have roleblocked me. You couldn't have possibly role blocked me if there were no NK. There would be no reason for an NK not to have occured.

So yeah, here we are, fingers firmly pointed at each other, it looks like it won't be us deciding this one.

[Korts]

Well, things aren't meant to be mellow in a game of mafia.

[Korts]

I made no objections to the rofl case because it was fully valid and I think rofl answered pretty well. But the more I think of it, the more I'm of the opinion this massclaim hurt the town badly, exposing both power roles. I don't think we'll be meeting tomorrow, dcorbe. Either you or I will be NK'ed.

Vote: roflcopter

Let's hope his partner does us a favor and hammers.

[Korts]

Unvote

Vote: Korts

Lynch all liars

Who said I lied?

unvote

So that's how it is. For a moment I was convinced you're the doc, dcorbe.

[Korts]

EBWOP:

vote: dcorbe

[Korts]

Stating I lied won't make it so, friend. Here's how

I

see it. You and Azim are scum together, you sent the kill, and Azim, seeing you mess up a single claim by overcomplication, counterclaimed me to help you out of this mess. If we weren't in LYLO, I'd say lynch me, lynching me would uncover both scum, but hey, we're in LYLO.

You set a trap for me? I set a trap for his supposed scumpartner. I'm not suspicious of ShadowGirl, and at the time I was inclined to believe your claim, so I thought the hammer would probably be his scumpartner's vote.

But this means that there is no doc. There's either a cop who doesn't want to claim for whatever reason, or a miller all by himself.

[Korts]

If we're talking about "proof," admittedly I didn't breadcrumb, but I have been against dcorbe and trying to make a case on him Day 3. Sadly there weren't enough points against him that I could push to a lynch.

SG, rofl, this game is in your hands. We've got the scumpair, we just need to lynch them. I'd go with dcorbe first, and block Azim.

[Korts]

Again, dcorbe, false dichotomy. Those are not the only choices. You may be scum. Actually, you

are

scum. Therefore:

what's more believable?

A) DBE got roleblocked as she PMed the mod her kill target for the night, resulted in no NK. dcorbe protected Korts.

B) Korts roleblocked dcorbe, dcorbe protected Korts and the scum didn't submit a kill for the night.

C) dcorbe got roleblocked by Korts as he PMed his kill, and when he messed up his claim, his partner helped him out.

[Korts]

Secondly, and most importantly, if I were dcorbe's mafia partner I would have just hammered roflcopter (instead of telling people to unvote) and the game could very easily have been over.

This I don't understand, you're right. I'd say WIFOM, but you'd have won the game, no need for WIFOM there.

Is there any chance we have two roleblockers?

[Korts]

wow. Come home from a Friday night of parties and you guys have posted like mad. Catching up now, will post as soon as I do.

You know us, we have no lives outside the internets.

[Korts]

I'm not backpedaling, you're either not reading the thread, or you're seriously trying to misrepresent me. Please read my earlier posts, and then come back.

1) I "entertained" this option when I called BS on your claim. I didn't bring it up in conversation any more because all you could reply to this is "lies, lies, lies" which is

very

helpful to discussion.

2) Read the first part of option C:

dcorbe got roleblocked by Korts as he PMed his kill

. Doesn't that explain why there wasn't any nightkill?

Desperate or not, you're making shit up as you go, and not even reading what you quote.

[Korts]

Great. So now there's four power roles claimed. If you believe Azim, DBE, that leaves me paired with dcorbe? Do you think we as scum would organize such bad fakeclaims? Either dcorbe is lying or I am, but not both of us.

[Korts]

Post 371 is in reply to dcorbe's 368.

[Korts]

I keep track of my lies, thanks though

You know what, you're right. I still would've had the chance to stop the kill. But it would've been a very probable mafia win. This is confusing me, this thinkin' shit.

[Korts]

Again, I ask. Is there any chance there are two roleblockers?

[Korts]

@Darla. Who do you think is lying (Azimuth aside for a moment): dcorbe, or me?

[Korts]

Thanks, mod. Didn't notice that.

[Korts]

Hah! The world is crazy after all. Gonna go take a shower now.

[Korts]

I think you are both lying, I think Az is the Role Block and I know I am the cop.

He claims ot have RB'd me last night, and I was RB'd since I got no results.

There are only 2 Power Roles.

Thus I think both you and dcorbe are lying.

Quite convenient how you claim a role and a scenario which we could not possibly verify? No results because you were roleblocked? How would we possibly know that.

Not to mention there's still an outstanding case against you which is very extensive and detailed.

Compare Darla's scenario to your scenarios, which are based absolutely 100% on solid fact that everyone in the game knows. How is your scenario easier to verify than any other? Tell me that.

[Korts]

The problem with saying you're RBing me now Az, is that the scum (dcorbe) have a WIFOM excuse to send in another No Kill and WHAM they implicate me to a lynch and scum wins.

I will most definitely investigate dcorbe, but if i am blocked I wont get any results.

Compared to the scenario that they (dcorbe) actually send a kill in and WHAM they win anyway.

[Korts]

Nice dreams, scum

[Korts]

But you'll probably hammer dcorbe, if it comes to that, I'm sure.

[Korts]

Same here. Ask me, I'll answer.

You're not gonna win this fight with your suave moves, Azim-scum

[Korts]

I don't want to put you down, dcorbe, but this is all only if Azimuth's the real roleblocker, which he isn't. I could even see an Azim-Darla scumpair...

[Korts]

Compare Darla's scenario to your scenarios, which are based absolutely 100% on solid fact that everyone in the game knows. How is your scenario easier to verify than any other? Tell me that.

@Korts: Please tell me who's scenerios are based absolutely on 100% fact, mine or Darla's? It's not clear from your post.

Thanks.

-Daniel

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Neither is based on fact at all, everything is speculation.

[Korts]

I don't want to put you down, dcorbe, but this is all only if Azimuth's the real roleblocker, which he isn't. I could even see an Azim-Darla scumpair...

But you're not going to make a case against Darla because you know I'm correct. You were so convinced a page ago that I was Azim's scum partner. Why the sudden change of heart?

All I know is that among the three of you there's two scum. That I'm convinced of. I mean, I have no other choice but evaluate the chance of various pairings. The most likely is a dcorbe-Azimuth pair, but I can see a dcorbe-Darla pair violently bussing each other and an Azim-Darla pair as well.

[Korts]

rofl, how are you feeling about things?

[Korts]

meh, I give up. The claim would've been good if I didn't choose the one person that it doesn't work with. Get on with it.

unvote, vote: Korts

Good luck, partner.

[Korts]

I think that was the hammer vote.

[Korts]

Thanks, Porochaz, for a very enjoyable game. I think the flavor was amazing, even though it had little to no connection to the actual game. But as the prophet Jagger once said, you can't always get what you want. If I really want to find something to criticize, there could've been a vote count or two after the massclaim, I was a bit confused about the votes back there. Other than that, awesome modding, and I especially liked how you had your fun with my corpse

I know now that I blew this game for us when I claimed, but I had thought about it for very long, and in the event of a massclaim, both a roleblocker claiming and a doctor claiming would've been bad to scum, since claiming a successful roleblock would've amounted to a guilty result, and claiming a successful protect would have confirmed a townie, both of which would've reduced our chances. Anyway, my claim could've worked but for two things: I shouldn't have claimed on dcorbe, because that way, it wouldn't make any sense if we're both telling the truth; and I shouldn't have put rofl at L-1 in the hopes that Darla hops on before anyone else checks in, thus pseudo-confirming Azim when I was actually trying to incriminate him.

On this note, special thanks to Azim, for replacing, and for a very balanced play. I had deduced right after the moment I claimed that you're the real RB, and that I fucked up if the town doesn't get confused enough. Thanks in great part to you, I couldn't get them confused enough to mislynch.

rofl, well, you know how you are. I didn't expect anything else than a town win once the decision was put in your hands. Really, we had no chance from there on.

dcorbe, I think you played a pretty good game, up until the massclaim. You truly did BS too much. Tip: if I'm already covered in shit, throwing some more at me won't make it stick. Other than this, though, it was a pleasure arguing with you. Just don't get personal, or feel insulted when others' arguments start to boil down to BS. Call them out for it, but no need to get angry over it. It's just a game.

ShadowGirl, the posts you made were very reasonable and balanced, and I couldn't fool you, either, into voting anyone other than me. Damn you, smart town!

Natirasha, I feel you didn't put as much effort in this game as it deserved, and maybe you lingered too much on the self-vote issue. That's why scum and town quicklynched you.

Lowell, you didn't have much of a chance to show us your townly skills, we NKed you because I suspected you of being a power role. Sorry.

Alabaska, sorry for the quicklynch. You know how it is, your wagon was being ridden by scum

Darla, I think you played very good, too. For a moment, there, you had me convinced you're town But seriously, other than hammering Alabaska, I think you always played what you had to, and I owe you an apology for forcing you to claim. Bad move. I hope I was as good a partner as you were, partner

[Korts]

Oh yeah, forgot. Congrats town. It wasn't hard to figure out.

[Korts]

nah, I've seen finished games with seven pages. Eighteen's not a big deal, you know. We couldn't have pulled this out much longer anyway.