Mini 2056: Ballroom Blitz (Game Over)

[mcqueen]

hi

[mcqueen]

hi all just checking in.

@Mod: V/LA until Friday, please

just in case.

[mcqueen]

VOTE: Moment for voting me

[mcqueen]

btw, the inactivity is disgusting

If anyone is catching up then fine, but you should Make it clear that you at least have interest in the game.

Me rn. Sorry!

[mcqueen]

I hard claim some kind of Innocent Child/Mason combination. I would rather not go into the conditions and restrictions though.

Spoiler:

If you dont believe me- allow me to prove my townieness by getting this pagetop!

Btw, rather earIy on, but I kinda Iiked Aronis’s tone in his first posts

Why?

[mcqueen]

Hi! My V/LA has ended, so today is the day where I catch up. Hopefully by the deadline (tomorrow) I can have some kind of impact. Look out for a bunch of spam as I respond to posts

[mcqueen]

It may be moire serious but I don't think there will be a showing tell from it.

True

Overall though, my vote is probably less useful than Moments.

Agree t0 disagree

This is pr0b n0t SvS btw

Vedith v Moment? How can you be so sure? I got slight town vibes from Vedith, but it was still early, so not like those couldn’t change

[mcqueen]

Yeah I got lazy. Still am. But deadline’s tomorrow so no more games

[mcqueen]

page 5- pretty sure everyone on that page is town. Vedith, Eragon, and LabRat. However, I could also see LabRat as tryharding scum.

[mcqueen]

page 5- pretty sure everyone on that page is town. Vedith, Eragon, and LabRat. However, I could also see LabRat as tryharding scum.

Why are they town to you?

just seem like they were actually trying to create real discussion and move us out of rvs. Some say that’s NAI, but I disagree. The way it was handled, LabRat wasn’t too picky about it, made me feel like it came from town

[mcqueen]

im trying to figure out good applications for the dance system.

Option 1:

Spoiler: scum with scum and town alone

We force the scummiest players in the game to dance with another scummy player, so if we decided to lynch we can get 2 birds with 1 stone, or get them killed at night if there would be any town killing roles.
The towniest players wouldn't dance with anyone, to prevent other people from dying if they are killed. I have another option for this but will be option 2.

Basically this option increases the kill potential for town, and could solve the game faster and kill more scum

im not a

huge

fan of this option because i feel it could go wrong too easily

Option 2:

Spoiler: scum with town

The towniest players in the game dance with the scummiest players in the game, on some sort of like list thingy. We can choose to lynch the scummiest player, and then the towniest player dances with the second scummiest player, and so on and so forth.
So if scum want to kill the towny players, they either have to get rid of mislynch opportunities or sacrifice scum

Basically this option is good for PoE. It preserves the life of the towniest players by making it risky for scum to kill them, and later-game we will have townier players alive to help solve

I like this option a lot better
Option 3:

Spoiler: Dance willy-nilly

Literally just for fun and say "F*** you* to the game

this option is for fun and being able to have PT's with people you like

its ok

Alright, @top;

Game mechanics says all game-related threads remain open at all times, save for this thread (due to Night phases). This means scum have daytalk and can communicate at all times.

Therefore, scum have no reason to dance with one another. And I think they’ll go to lengths to prevent it, because they do become Lovers for that Day and Night. I find it interesting that they

aren’t

Lovers after that, only Neighbors.

[mcqueen]

request dance with Slaxx

either this or I replace out

[mcqueen]

My ISOs short and filled with unfulfilled promises of a catchup, but go ahead

[mcqueen]

Can we not have drama

[mcqueen]

#151 Moment's "Does that imply that you believe I'm town" is kind of a cheap push on Eragon, I feel like as town I talk assuming most people are town, because they are.

It doesn't make sense to speak to someone whom you apparently scumread as if they are town. It was also a question moreso than a push – a question that has remained unanswered as of yet.

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request dance with Slaxx

either this or I replace out

...Why?

I haven’t been motivated to read the thread

[mcqueen]

#151 Moment's "Does that imply that you believe I'm town" is kind of a cheap push on Eragon, I feel like as town I talk assuming most people are town, because they are.

It doesn't make sense to speak to someone whom you apparently scumread as if they are town. It was also a question moreso than a push – a question that has remained unanswered as of yet.

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request dance with Slaxx

either this or I replace out

...Why?

I haven’t been motivated to read the thread

Also, the more I say I will and don’t end up doing it, the worse my slot looks. Having a dance partner to discuss things with makes it easier to get into the game

[mcqueen]

Wait, a dance was rejected? So my dance offer to Slaxx is null

Bruhhhhhhhh

[mcqueen]

Moment, what are your reads of AP and TGP?

I'm not sure I have much to say on those two beyond what I've said in 391 and 397. I'd like to hear a bit more from both before deciding where to vote.

If you have any specific questions regarding those two, I'd like to hear them.

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I haven’t been motivated to read the thread

Also, the more I say I will and don’t end up doing it, the worse my slot looks. Having a dance partner to discuss things with makes it easier to get into the game

I can understand having a partner being a solution to not being motivated to read the thread. I don't understand why you chose Slaxx or why you seem to believe that he'd accept your offer.

Is having a PT truly that much different than just talking with someone in the main game thread?

I mean, yes. It’s 1 on 1 and if you both townread each other, then you can be as open as you want, whereas that’s not the case in the main thread.

I just chose Slaxx because he’s doing a fresh catchup and figured he’d have a good set of eyes to enlighten me with on the gamestate

[mcqueen]

And you didn't consider the potential ramifications of his refusing your offer?

No, I did. Exactly why I offered. If Slaxx had any inkling of me being town, he’d accept

[mcqueen]

And you didn't consider the potential ramifications of his refusing your offer?

Or the ramifications of accepting the offer--that you would be giving scum the opportunity to kill both of you with a single night kill?

Bro what? I think scum would rather keep me alive because I’m mislynch bait this game, but ok

[mcqueen]

You act as if though we paired up, no one else could do the same. Accepting dance requests does not null any future offere luke rejects do.

Has Slaxx really got you this desperate?

[mcqueen]

I don’t care what your strategy is, I have my own.

I can hide behind whoever I want, and since you’re likely scumreading us both, it makes no sense for you to be pushing me for wanting to pair up. Why not just let us pair (thereotically) and lynch us?

I almost voted you. Crap, I can’t.

[mcqueen]

The thread is under 20 pages long and a significant chunk of that is labrat doing weird memey stream of conscious posts to himself. Why would you need the only mechanical action the town has available to create a lover's neighborhood to catch up when you could just... read the thread?

It’s hilarious how I can say things as scummy as I want and you literally can’t kill me today.

Now I’m just bad town, but let’s spice it up?

[mcqueen]

Slaxx is going off of one of the first things that he saw entering the game. For a replacement, I believe that's reasonable.

Gotta be honest this sounds like bullshit to me. Slaxx replaced into a game that has 18 hours on the clock and even after he made his initial comment he still made a priority interacting with me rather than asking for any summary. There's two people that mechanically can be lynched and he still hasn't really given a read of either one, but he *immediately* went for shade on me without critically thinking about why we would have mixed feelings on the lynch options.

I've replaced into games low on the clock before and I can tell you the first thing I look at is what wagons are developed, what lynches look like they will or will not happen, and then I prioritize my understanding of the player that is most likely to get lynched in that scenario.

Like, Slaxx wants to put on a show of doing a catchup, but I don't see why he wouldn't just start with TGP and AP in iso and evaluate each of them independently. Why do you not think he entered the game with an agenda to either gain towncred or to start shading people looking at a weird wagon?

While I don’t entirely agree with you, it feels like you actually believe what you’re saying, which bleeds town. I just don’t get why you’re so desperately pushing Slaxx (so what if he did to you) when we have a choice to make.

[mcqueen]

It’s hilarious how I can say things as scummy as I want and you literally can’t kill me today.

Why are you trying to be provocative? Do you have any feelings about TGP or AP right now?

I don’t even know who TGP is, so no. I’ll ISO them

[mcqueen]

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Says we should be dancing as much as possible then rejects AP’s dance request in the very next post.

[mcqueen]

Yes

[mcqueen]

STOP VOTING ME

Vote no lynch if you have to but don't vote me. As this game is plularity I have to claim.
I AM THE DANCEMASTER. I CAN READ ALL DANCE PTS and HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHUT ONE DOWN DURING THE COURSE OF THE GAME. You can debate about this tomorrow, but TODAY it makes literally no sense to lynch a powerful town pr, ESPECIALLY considering the fact that if this role was given to scum it would be the most powerful ever. You can verify my claim when a pt is created. DON'T lynch me. I know I might get NKed, but it's better than a basically inno child getting lynched. Also the reason I reejcted the dance offer.

Anyone think this resembles a Godfather role?

[mcqueen]

Game Mechanics

:

Index
Top of OP.
Game Status.
Deadline.
Players.
Rules.
Notable Events.
Current VC.
Game Mechanics .
VC Index.
End of Day VCs.
Dance Record.

Let's Dance

• This game is explicitly a
  10
  :
  3
  Town
  :
  Mafia
  game.
  
• This game features no investigatives or protectives (other roles are fair game).
  
• All game topics (except the gamethread) remain open at all times.
  
• This game wasn't reviewed, and is undoubtedly theoretically scumsided.
  
• This is a Blitz Game
  .
  • Day Deadlines are
    4 days/96 hours
    .
    
  • Night Deadlines are
    1.5 days/36 hours
    .
    
  • Prods are
    36 hours
    .
    
  • Replacements are
    12 hours
    .
    
  • V/LA gives some leniency, but excessive V/LA will still warrant replacement.
    
  • If all slots don't post during a day, too bad!
    
  • If a slot needs replacement, clock still ticks!
• ONCE in the game, if a majority of players ask, an extra
  24 hours
  will be given for the
  current phase
  (beit day or night).
  
• Plurality lynch mechanics still apply.
  
  
• However,
  PLAYERS MAY VOTE FOR A NO-LYNCH AT ANY TIME.
  
  
• This game features a
  Dance Mechanic
  :
  • During the day, players may bold, "
    Dance with Playername
    ".
    
  • The player must either
    accept
    or
    reject
    the dance.
    
  • A player may only be involved with one dance per day, regardless of whether they are offering/rejecting/accepting/got rejected.
    
  • If a player
    accepts
    a dance, then the two players involved will become lovers for the duration of that day phase, and the immediately following night (e.g. D1+N1). They will gain a
    permanent
    private topic together. (This is also referred to as
    pairing up
    .)
    
  • If a player
    rejects
    a dance, no further dance offers may be made; any pending dance offers are null-and-void. The only valid votes become the player who offered the dance, the player who rejected the dance, and
    No Lynch
    . Votes on these three will not reset; all other votes will move to Not Voting. (This is also referred to as a
    duel
    .)
    
  • Due to the above, dance offers are "first come, first serve". Two people can't offer to dance with the same individual; an individual can't offer to dance with someone else if they were asked to dance; an individual can't be asked to dance if they already made a dance offer.
• Once in the game, a
  Danceoff
  may occur:
  • To initiate a danceoff,
    every
    living player must be paired up with a dance partner (e.g. 12 alive, 6 pairs of dancers; 10 alive, 5 pairs of dancers). Duels do
    not
    count as being partnered up.
    
  • For the duration these conditions are met, at any point during the day phase, a dance pair may challenge a different dance pair to a danceoff.
    
  • Both members of the dance pair must challenge the same dance pair.
    
  • Both members of the challenged dance pair must accept the challenge.
    
  • If a danceoff is successfully declared (that is, all four consent), 24 hours are automatically added to the Day's deadline; all votes are reset; votes must be for "PAIR (Players)", "PAIR (Other Players)", or "No Lynch".
    
  • Regardless of lynching the challenging pair, the accepting pair, or neither pair, the gamethread will remain open for the duration of that night phase.

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“All game topics (except the gamethread) remain open at all times.”

Which includes all Neighborhoods and scum PT. But yeah, keep trying to create a false narrative that I slipped.

[mcqueen]

And @Vedith; I’ve never seen a game where scum don’t at least have a PT.

[mcqueen]

yea no where does it say anything about scum PT

it just says all threads as a blanket

so jumping straight to the fact that scum has a day PT(!)

If scum has a PT at all, which is pretty much standard, then it remains open at all times.

I’m not sure why you don’t understand this?

[mcqueen]

If scum has a PT at all, which is pretty much standard, then it remains open at all times.

I’m not sure why you don’t understand this?

The point made was that you are saying there is a scum PT, not if on the original post.
Personally I think it's nothing to worry about it.

Whoever said that is reaching for towncred really hard, jumping on a dude who’s clearly not a townread of many about how it isn’t explicitly stated there is a scum PT. Like who even assumes there might not be?

Was it Eragon? Yeah, he’s probably scum.

[mcqueen]

And actually, the mafia might indeed not have a chat

End of Game Content[/u]:[/b][/size]

• Game Topics
  • Mod PT
    
    
  • Dead PT
    
    
  • Spoiled Dead PT
    
    
  • Etc.

it’s not listed in there, so either there is none, or the mod didn’t include it on purpose
(which I personally haven’t seen anone do yet, but again, I have veeeeery little experience with closed games, so idk)

lol it would be rather fun if the mafia didn't have a chat

It literally says etc. right under it.

[mcqueen]

And actually, the mafia might indeed not have a chat

End of Game Content[/u]:[/b][/size]

• Game Topics
  • Mod PT
    
    
  • Dead PT
    
    
  • Spoiled Dead PT
    
    
  • Etc.

it’s not listed in there, so either there is none, or the mod didn’t include it on purpose
(which I personally haven’t seen anone do yet, but again, I have veeeeery little experience with closed games, so idk)

lol it would be rather fun if the mafia didn't have a chat

etc. could be a way to hint at it idk. this convo isnt gonna get us anywhere until we have a flip. though its possible scum has some variant of an encryptor.
i have alot of cs experience cause i make a ton of them.

i could theory for a while but it would end up wifom if you wanna hear it....

for mcqueen i do feel like hes being either annoying town. or flat out scum. could he answer once question though.


why do you feel like you have to defend yourself? i can guess why but i want your opinion. next post ill give a log

because of all the cases they could have made against me, they puck the most WIFOMy one

[mcqueen]

If scum has a PT at all, which is pretty much standard, then it remains open at all times.

I’m not sure why you don’t understand this?

The point made was that you are saying there is a scum PT, not if on the original post.
Personally I think it's nothing to worry about it.

Whoever said that is reaching for towncred really hard, jumping on a dude who’s clearly not a townread of many about how it isn’t explicitly stated there is a scum PT. Like who even assumes there might not be?

Was it Eragon? Yeah, he’s probably scum.

psure this was the one.

idk how experienced you are.

Are you asking me?

[mcqueen]

2 hours til deadline

[mcqueen]

After tgp's flip I am less certain how we are supposed to strategize here. I think based on what we know it is still best to keep townies unpaired and ask scumreads to only dance with other scumreads.

Lovers, usually, is primarily negative utility and pts should not make up for that.

I think that's still right... and actually tgp's role makes me think it may be more true. Say there is a pt cop--the neghborhood would then actually be doubling down on negative utility on top of the lover's mechanic.

I'm not sure pt cop is likely here, but I guess I'm trying to figure out why tgp would be able to close a pt as a pro-town role.

So yeah, I'm not really sure. Are you saying you scumread mcqueen?

How about this... based on what I read in Vedis iso and based on the unbolted “and” in the kill flavor, I expect McQ to flip Anti-town (maybe mafia) here.

He wanted to pair with me yesterday, I’m curious what happens if I call that to see if it’s a bluff.

request dance with Slaxx

[mcqueen]

I’m here please do not replace me

[mcqueen]

I checked Aronis’ ISO and it’s pretty bad. Very few posts and only 1 of them includes decent content

[mcqueen]

Ok so my other head, let's call him Mallard, is feeling a bit better and gave the thread some time. Our read's don't totally converge. He's at:
{dwd}
{moment, labby, kokichi}
{aronis, eragon}
{eevee, slaxx}
{redtea, ap}
{mcqueen}

Whereas my reads are more like:
Slaxx -- I didn't like his entrance but he's at least playing pro-town regardless of alignment
Moment/AP -- Moment mostly for bothering to vote no lynch; I townread AP's dance request yesterday but I would like to see more from him
Eevee/Eragon/Labrat -- complicated reads/mixed feelings -- if Mallard is right about McQueen, then Eevee/Eragon gets flipped tomorrow morning
McQueen -- feel like he should have done more by now or used his PT, I know real life happens but I've seen McQueen show up before and he isn't here
Kokichi -- Kokichi used to have a meta of doing nothing as town; I appreciate Mallard's tonal read of one of Kokichi's posts, but I need to see more from Kokichi before I really resolve this read any better. I'm fine with him going.
RedTea/Aronis -- don't townread anything here

So we're a bit out of sync right now and sorry if that's not helpful to anyone or it seems like theater.

Basically, Mallard strongly scumreads McQueen, and I null-scumlean McQueen and townread Slaxx. Given that, if we are lynching McQueen, I would rather it be after the lovers mechanic dissolves.

Mallard townleans Aronis's apathy and ate toward the lynch, I definitely do not but we do both agree on redtea, so here's my thought:

I'd like RedTea, in that case, to offer his choice out of Aronis (who he seems to want to lynch anyway) or someone else. Since Aronis has refused to offer a dance, I'd like RedTea to make the offer, and see what Aronis does with that.

We have (expired on 2019-02-09 17:30:11) guys

VOTE: RedTea

Let's... Get... Dangerous

I have used my PT. Why would you use that as a reason to support your vote on me when you’d have no way of knowing I did unless I explicitly said so?

[mcqueen]

why are more people not voting Aronis? If you have a problem with my ISO/play, why do more people not have a problem with his?

VOTE: Aronis

[mcqueen]

@duck, what do you mean by this?

Eevee/Eragon/Labrat -- complicated reads/mixed feelings -- if Mallard is right about McQueen, then Eevee/Eragon gets flipped tomorrow morning

Also @duck what makes you assume McQueen wasn’t using his PT?


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@slaxx can you elaborate on that at all?

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@mcqueen what is the “similarity” that we should be seeing in your ISO sand aronis?

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@labrat, uwu thanks for paying money for this shitshow <3

I’m just saying. I haven’t contributed much. And people have a problem with that. Yet, i understand darkwing is still voting aronis- i feel like im getting talked about a lot for this inactivity when ive contributed more than aronis. I.e. dont think about starting a counterwagon on me , when aronis is worse

[mcqueen]

Hey guys this guy isnt doing anything. Hes OBVIOUSLY scum.

yep. So ur claiming scum?

[mcqueen]

Rather lynch a lover pair.

This is a joke right?

[mcqueen]

Rather lynch a lover pair.

...

Okay but the scummiest people aren’t pairing up so that’s convenient for someone who wants to avoid lynching scum.

What you just said to me is "you don't consider the people that I consider the scummiest to be the scummiest, and that is suspicious". Which is somewhat valid, but I just want to clear up the exact meaning behind what you said.

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Rather lynch a lover pair.

this is not smart, unless one of the people in the pairs is confirmed scum

And why's that? Because I'm fairly certain that getting two town-controlled kills is better than one.

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Rather lynch a lover pair.

This is a joke right?

I'm not laughing.

You should be. You’d rather lynch a lover pair , potentially lynching TWO townies when scum already have that opportunity tonight (i bet they are salivating right now), then just fire at someone else?

Mind you, it remains true that scum have no reason to pair because they have daytalk.

[mcqueen]

Well i see you claimed above Moment. My vote remains on Aronis.

[mcqueen]

McQ vote Koki with me.

No.

[mcqueen]

That's great. Can't wait to be dead. Sorry to the mod and town for playing poorly.

Why are you mad? You’re the one who said you’d prefer to lynch a lover pair, and unless you’re absolutely sure with solid evidence that one of us is scum, is not an acceptable strategy.

Again, I’m pretty sure (correct if wrong), you were one of the ones who agreed scum have no reason to pair up, but you ignore that, too.

Yes, if you knew this was poor play then why play this way? (hi! I’m being hypocrite)

This is within the spirit of the game and i am slightly heated. But, i do not understand your viewpoint of the game at the time you made that statement.

[mcqueen]

Oh no! Potentially lynching

two

townies? How terrible?

You know what would be even better than potentially lynching

one

townie, though? Potentially lynching zero!

Let's vote no-lynch, everyone!

Well i see you claimed above Moment. My vote remains on Aronis.

How about red? Want to convince me?

? are you asking me to convince you?

[mcqueen]

Oh no! Potentially lynching

two

townies? How terrible?

You know what would be even better than potentially lynching

one

townie, though? Potentially lynching zero!

Let's vote no-lynch, everyone!

Well i see you claimed above Moment. My vote remains on Aronis.

How about red? Want to convince me?

? are you asking me to convince you?

Yes
And ask to extend the day please

Why do i need to convince u about red?? Im not on her??

[mcqueen]

With 8 left, we're in a 5v3 MyLo. Keep that in mind. No-lynch is seriously an option today.

No one should be pairing up at this point.

[mcqueen]

@MCQUEEN, IF YOU'RE ONLINE DON'T FCKING HIDE BEHIND SLAXX AND POST IN HERE

Oh, believe me, I'm here. I trust Slaxx to be town, so I'm discussing with him similarly as I would to a Hydra partner.

His vote was bad and I told him so in our PT. When I went to post ITT, he removed it during a pedit, so I didn't submit my post.

I'm struggling to read redtea and so I'm not seeing the need for a lynch as fast as you want it. Can you review your case on her?

[mcqueen]

Any reason why mcqueen?

Why what?

[mcqueen]

@MCQUEEN, IF YOU'RE ONLINE DON'T FCKING HIDE BEHIND SLAXX AND POST IN HERE

Oh, believe me, I'm here. I trust Slaxx to be town, so I'm discussing with him similarly as I would to a Hydra partner.

His vote was bad and I told him so in our PT. When I went to post ITT, he removed it during a pedit, so I didn't submit my post.

I'm struggling to read redtea and so I'm not seeing the need for a lynch as fast as you want it. Can you review your case on her?

why was his vote bad in your eyes?

it’s an L-1 and scum could potentially hammer at any time to win

[mcqueen]

VOTE: Darkwing Duck

[mcqueen]

VOTE: Darkwing Duck

What for?

pressure needs to be applied to certain spots.

[mcqueen]

I’m gonna iso a few others later tonight, but I’m currently at the theory one of {DD, you(AP)} is scum.

[mcqueen]

I’m gonna iso a few others later tonight, but I’m currently at the theory one of {DD, you(AP)} is scum.

because...?

lgd

If redtea’s town, why haven’t scum hammered to win? At least 1 scum’s on the wagon already, maybe more.

If she’s scum, at least 1 scum is in {Slaxx, Evee, Eragon}. I townread Slaxx, and Slaxx townreads Eragon. Unless their buddies together, at least one of those two is town. That leaves Evee + {Slaxx/Eragon, DD, AP, Lab}. So redtea’s wagon needs to be pressured right now, regardless.

[mcqueen]

Slightly, yes. I’m kind of leaning redtea town (controversial I know). Her activity is low and not great, but I’m not quite buying her as scum. At least not enough not to use up the entirety of the day instead of quicklynching in mylo like lab wants. The point is, I think Lab’s later vote makes herself town, whereas one of you and AP is scum jumping on an easy wagon.

[mcqueen]

I don't want to tinfoil too hard but there's part of me that's worried that part of the scum team can't coordinate well and that's why McQueen just left his vote on me, given how little interest he has had in actually talking with me despite 'using the day' being the logic there.

Since all three scum are still alive, if one out of {AP, Labby} is scum then all they would need to do is have one person change wagons and have another person vote me before EoD timer.

So, I do think town should actually just vote Redtea. We don't need to use the plurality mechanic and we don't need to go to deadline. In any case, the gamestate is less open to scum opportunism with 4 votes on Redtea at least to prevent a sudden shift in wagon.

Maybe everyone has stopped caring given how boring the redtea wagon is, but we still shouldn't let ourselves be set up for a throw from EoD plurality mechanics.

My thoughts

-lgd

I’ve left my vote for two reasons:

1. I can’t flip flop around and vote the others who I’d like to hear from, they know what I’m doing now
2. I need to check ISOs and see who I genuinely think is the scummiest.

I didn’t see a reason to remove my vote, but if it makes you feel better UNVOTE:

[mcqueen]

Votecount 3-4 (24)

redtea - 3 (Darkwing Duck, AP, LabRat01)

Darkwing Duck - 1 (mcqueen)

Not Voting - 4 (Slaxx, EeveeLution Army, redtea, Eragon)

8

alive;

5

to lynch.
Deadline: Saturday, February 16th, at 6:15 AM PST: (expired on 2019-02-16 10:13:58).

Pending Dance Offers

None.

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modnotes

@Mod: the deadline says 6:15 AM PST today, while Post 0 says PM. Both VCs say AM, so deadline should have passed. But, with the lack of activity and seems as if no one else has noticed, I ask that the deadline go until 6:15 PST tonight.

As for everyone else, we need to decide who we’re going to lynch assuming mastina accepts.

[mcqueen]

so we’re in a similar spot as we were yesterday, but with one scum down.

DD I think you’re town, but I’m still picky about your slot so don’t screw it up.

I was planning on reevaluating Lab today, but that’s now redundant because of her flip.

Idk what to think of Evee, and I can’t remember much of Eragon’s play at all.

Still think Slaxx is town, and I’m leaning AP scum mostly due to PoE.

[mcqueen]

AP and Evee pair up and we lynch them.

[mcqueen]

I won’t accept your dance so don’t try.

[mcqueen]

AP and Evee pair up and we lynch them.

Thank you!

You stated TRs on DD+Slaxx
You were not sure about Evee/Eragon
You had me as scum by PoE (despite the fact you had two other unresolved slots)

Eragon claims so is now likely town. So you must have me & Evee as scum together. Why should you worry about me dancing with YOU in this case? You KNOW scum won't be dancing together today, so you plan is -apparently- is either to have Evee (if scum) refuse to dance with me, and try to get me lynched over him, OR -more likely- have 2 townies dance together, lynch them and win with you partner.

PERMISSION REQUESTED FROM ERAGON/DD TO OFFER MCQUEEN A DANCE

I mean I also think you are Evee are scum. Your disapproval and potential eagerness to 1v1 a scummy town player is jot helping your case.

Realistically, if you two are scum you won’t pair. So it doesn’t matter much to me which of the two of you we lynch. You think I’m specifically targeting you here. Well, kinda, but I’m fine if Evee gets lynched.

[mcqueen]

SHIT! Eragon's claim sound legit, but he's blind as usual.

OK..

@DD/Eragon: Should I offer a dance to EveeLution? Would that help you two solve the game (I mean, by lynching us)? Or would you both rather I dance with mcqueen?

also, while it makes you look better (possibly), you do insinuate your approval of you dancing with evee. Now you want to 1v1 me to try and save yourself?

The thing is i’m not sure of evee yet, but i think you are scum.

[mcqueen]

I mean i did say i would refuse to dance yesterday, too, so i’m being consistent, regardless of your opinion of my play

[mcqueen]

Actually, Eragon, would you dance with me? I’d redact my refusal for you only.

[mcqueen]

i’ll do it in the pt. i have info i’m not willing to out to everyone just yet.

Offer to dance with Eragon

[mcqueen]

Fucking I’ve been drinking and was lurking no no no

No no

Eragon Vs McQ is a loss

a pairing between us or a gladiate between us?

if neccessary we can gladiate and no lynch

no lynch would be an option but i’m banking on you being town and i think garnering as much info between us and making a collective decision is best. this is beat down by your suspicions of me, but i know i’m town so from my PoV it makes sense. i’ve been working with Slaxx in our PT trying to gamesolve together. He disapproves of this decision, but I decided to risk it the same way I’ve risked giving out info to him (Slaxx) - although the stakes are higher here.

[mcqueen]

Evee/DD/AP

Not Eragon or McQ

Why

if he never answers the request, i believe we can still lynch between everyone else.

[mcqueen]

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU DANCE WITH SOMEONE YOU ARE BANKING ON BEING TOWN

IN MYLO

WHEN 2 TOWN DYING AT NIGHT MEANS A GAME LOSS

If we lynch scum today it turns into lylo tomorrow. We already lose with a mislynch here. It’s pretty obvious i’m scumread by some right now, so it’s up to scum if they want to get rid of that, or settle for a 1v3. You act as if the choice is onvious.

[mcqueen]

VOTE: AP

[mcqueen]

VOTE: Darkwing Duck found AP’s partner

toys with the idea of hammering (“lol i want to policy uickhamner”) but doesn’t because they don’t want their partner going down. AP “confirms” them as town so DD is in the clear

lynch it

[mcqueen]

Kindly move your vote? I don't necessarily trust either Slaxx or Eevee. (my other head will punch me for this post)

- Mal

But then they are not "confirmed" to me. I agree it is a risky move and one hell of a way to check the validity of my reads, but HEY.. the good part is if I'm wrong I

alone

get all the blame for the loss.

P-edit: Hmmmmm

Like, if you're town I believe you should for a 1 v 1. It'd be 100% his fault if he is town here.

I may have an out from this situation, but I won't say a thing until you've proven you're town to me. I dunno if your abilities are activated by day or night though. Elaborate, please.

its a day ability

i can dance with someone and force them to dance with me, twice per game

or once per game i can dance with someone and the lovers effect is forever

Well, I'm not even sure if you can still activate when there's a pending dance request

on you

. Could you do that? I mean, if you can pair up with Evee (say) or even with me (you do SR me, right) then we lynch mcqueen. mcqueen flips red, you can't be killed, and that will be it.

If mcqueen flips green by any chance we are already fucked anyway.

guess we’re fucked then. Sorry!

[mcqueen]

I get off at 6 PM EST.

Give me until 8 PM EST before we do anything impulsive.

Can we please agree on that?

Bro you good? 6 pm EST is in almost 17 hours

[mcqueen]

I get off at 6 PM EST.

Give me until 8 PM EST before we do anything impulsive.

Can we please agree on that?

Like, what time is it NOW EST??

1:20 AM

[mcqueen]

OK.. just a reminder: D3 ended with DD, Ap & LabRat voting red.

mcqueen tried to build a counter wagon on DD and gave up towards the end of the day so unvoted, but then tried to get the mod to extend the day and asked everyone to "decide who we’re going to lynch" as if that wasn't obvious by that time. (Posts 1133 & 1134)

i have an ability i was planning to use on DD per my scumread on them. DD should be dead right now if I had the deadlines correct.

[mcqueen]

OK.. just a reminder: D3 ended with DD, Ap & LabRat voting red.

mcqueen tried to build a counter wagon on DD and gave up towards the end of the day so unvoted, but then tried to get the mod to extend the day and asked everyone to "decide who we’re going to lynch" as if that wasn't obvious by that time. (Posts 1133 & 1134)

i have an ability i was planning to use on DD per my scumread on them. DD should be dead right now if I had the deadlines correct.

and no, i’m not a vig. I planned to take advantages of the mechanics of my ability.

[mcqueen]

Flail more please

that’s what your doing.

[mcqueen]

You have an ability.. to kill DD.. and you SR'd them enough to actually activate that on them yesterday (if it wasn't for the deadline), yet you come in today willing to vote ME and stating a TOWN READ on the very slot you were ready to KILL yesterday?

DD I think you’re town, but I’m still picky about your slot so don’t screw it up.

^^First post of the day from mcqueen

yeah my townread of them came from redtea’s flip.

[mcqueen]

You have an ability.. to kill DD.. and you SR'd them enough to actually activate that on them yesterday (if it wasn't for the deadline), yet you come in today willing to vote ME and stating a TOWN READ on the very slot you were ready to KILL yesterday?

DD I think you’re town, but I’m still picky about your slot so don’t screw it up.

^^First post of the day from mcqueen

yeah my townread of them came from redtea’s flip.

I wasn’t sure BOTH scum would bus and lynch their partner. But it’s possible

[mcqueen]

I'll agree this isn't scum!Eragon. Feeling's been getting stronger since I started reading this thread.

There's exactly one scum between AP and McQueen and from my point of view, McQueen has been pretty scummy.

The fact that flipped scum has exactly zero interactions with him and nightkills/vca points towards him flipping scum aren't making me like him more.

"He's been solvey in the pt" doesn't fill me with confidence. I've seen your gutreads be incorrect before. Sell me on this?

- Mal

Question: how is him citing my gamesolving in our PT a “gut read” from him.

Why

did I ask Slaxx to dance with me? Well, of course I had to be sure he wasn’t scum, and I believe open communication between town is an essential potential path to winning the game. Sure, pairing scummy players together works, but just because I’ve taken a different approach to the game than the rest of you, doesn’t mean I’m scummy for it specifically. There are a plethora of other reasons to scumread me. I’m still salty I look bad because I refused redtea’s wagon, but nothing I can do about now.

[mcqueen]

Why did I ask Slaxx to dance with me?

Is this a slip?? Could it be even?? I mean, Slaxx voted for NO LYNCH on D1!

I don’t understand why you think this is a slip. So what if he voted for a no lynch on Day 1? Do I have to scumread him for that?

[mcqueen]

i’ll do it in the pt. i have info i’m not willing to out to everyone just yet.

Offer to dance with Eragon

Fucking I’ve been drinking and was lurking no no no

No no

Eragon Vs McQ is a loss

a pairing between us or a gladiate between us?

if neccessary we can gladiate and no lynch

no lynch would be an option but i’m banking on you being town and i think garnering as much info between us and making a collective decision is best. this is beat down by your suspicions of me, but i know i’m town so from my PoV it makes sense. i’ve been working with Slaxx in our PT trying to gamesolve together. He disapproves of this decision, but I decided to risk it the same way I’ve risked giving out info to him (Slaxx) - although the stakes are higher here.

mcqueen we really do need to hear more from you here. why are you insisting on dancing with Eragon and then stating that you believe he is town?

- Mal

@mcqueen I still don't follow this

- Mal

I just answered a few posts above

[mcqueen]

I'll agree this isn't scum!Eragon. Feeling's been getting stronger since I started reading this thread.

There's exactly one scum between AP and McQueen and from my point of view, McQueen has been pretty scummy.

The fact that flipped scum has exactly zero interactions with him and nightkills/vca points towards him flipping scum aren't making me like him more.

"He's been solvey in the pt" doesn't fill me with confidence. I've seen your gutreads be incorrect before. Sell me on this?

- Mal

Question: how is him citing my gamesolving in our PT a “gut read” from him.

Why

did I ask Slaxx to dance with me? Well, of course I had to be sure he wasn’t scum, and I believe open communication between town is an essential potential path to winning the game. Sure, pairing scummy players together works, but just because I’ve taken a different approach to the game than the rest of you, doesn’t mean I’m scummy for it specifically. There are a plethora of other reasons to scumread me. I’m still salty I look bad because I refused redtea’s wagon, but nothing I can do about now.

@DD- bottom goes for Eragon, too

[mcqueen]

Why did I ask Slaxx to dance with me?

Is this a slip?? Could it be even?? I mean, Slaxx voted for NO LYNCH on D1!

I don’t understand why you think this is a slip. So what if he voted for a no lynch on Day 1? Do I have to scumread him for that?

No. I'm saying he might be your partner and you inadvertently typed his name instead of Eragon's (whom you asked to dance today), but I'm being skeptical myself of Slaxx flipping scum because of the vote to NL on D1. I TR that vote.

No, I meant Slaxx. And the logic flows to Eragon, too, but I guess you and DD didn’t get that.

[mcqueen]

i’ll do it in the pt. i have info i’m not willing to out to everyone just yet.

Offer to dance with Eragon

the actual hell lmao. that came so far from left field its in a different sport... unless i missed smth he hasnt replied yet

once again, but more bluntly: my strategy has been to dance with my townreads, rather than my scumreads. just because that differs from

your

strategy, is/shouldn’t be reason to find me scummy.

[mcqueen]

Is not*

[mcqueen]

nah, i just assumed. everyone else thinks it’s a bad strategy

[mcqueen]

OK, so mcqueen offered Slaxx a dance on D1 and

threatened to replace out if it wasn't accepted

. Thanks for reminding us of that of that weird incident, mcqueen.

I mean, I've been busy irl and wasn't keeping up with the game. Discussing with Slaxx has definitely helped keep me engaged. The offer to dance, however, basically served two purposes itself: (1) allowed me to insert myself into the gamestate at the time and generate discussion that I otherwise would not have been apart of; and (2) I got to open up a private line of communication between two members of the town that has helped more than hurt our chances to win.

[mcqueen]

It's still me, I have appointed myself to deal with how ridiculously mcqueen is scumsiding and see if he's scum or gamethrowing town and also to try and cut Slaxx's obnoxious tunnel in half because sorting those two wins the game

our nicer head will be back later

ama

- Mal

How am i gamethrowing. I admit my dance offer to Eragon is risky, but im not gamethrowing.

[mcqueen]

im not gamethrowing

This feels like a truthful statement.

VOTE: McQueen

Mallard still wants to sort you and Slaxx, but this is where I'm at.

-LGD

you realize the statement can be true and i’m still town, right?

[mcqueen]

piss off Slaxx i had doubts because I’ve no experience with a town roleblocker

[mcqueen]

Ok, so I'll save the rest of my thoughts until after the game is

confirmed

to be over, just in case, but I do have this question for DD/LGD:

I'm kinda just at the point that I feel it's a foregone conclusion that RedTea won't bother to dance even if we ask, and if Aronis, RedTea, and Kokichi really is a trinity of obstinate, lazy town, then I'm pretty okay writing this game off as a loss. Marathon weekend is here and maybe I can actually get a player list that wants to play the game somewhere in there.

lgd

hmm. i kinda feel like this is from a townie tbh

I liked this post for town.

Am I pocketed, Slaxx? Because so far 99% of your read on McQueen seems to come from PT interactions, whereas so far this game he has:
a)danced with you for stupid reasons
b)thrown a dance on a townread in mylo
c)presented the only counter-wagon the day redtea was getting lynched

Like, I have seen town McQueen, and he is not THIS AWFUL at mechanics. Fucking up TWO dances I *choose to believe* is outside his townrange. I do feel like I am sometimes wrong when I say things like this, but he has been incredibly lurky, he put a naked vote on us to "start conversation" and then proceeded to say nothing interesting, and then claimed a bunch of nonsense about his role and voted us again in mylo.

Anyway, you still have a chance of convincing Mallard, but this head would be too disappointed in this being town McQueen to believe he is town before seeing a flip.

-LGD

Where have you seen me as town, if you don't mind me asking?

[mcqueen]

Okay, thoughts time!

First off, I just want to say I'm sorry to the town. The loss I feel like squarely lands on my shoulders, and while I feel my logical strategy to utilize the mechanics is not entirely worthless, I did misuse and attempt to overuse it.

Sorry to McQ if I made you mad I just was doing my wincon

I'm not mad, I think you played well and did fool me throughout the game. However, when I first offered you to dance, admittedly I don't recall having a strong read on you. I banked on the fact that you just "were" town, and I let that thought process fool me repeatedly throughout the game. It's my fault for not being an active participant earlier on, and while I wasn't intentionally gamethrowing at any point, telling you to dance with me or I'll replace out is cutting it close. I'm sorry for that.

Certain suspicions I had about you, Slaxx:

• You said you were a roleblocker. I've never seen that role as town (solely roleblocker, not jailkeeper).
  
• Your flimsy scumread of DD. I was definitely swayed by their pressure on me, but there were points where I thought they were town and you went back to their scumminess on Day 1. I kind of forget why, because they pushed you for voting no lynch? Whatever the reason, I thought you overplayed it, and you did.
  
• You went absent for a long time Night 3 in our PT, after I told you I'd be there in light of my absence Night 2. You said you were busy, so I played it off, but something just felt off about it.

Otherwise, I messed up asking Eragon to dance in the final day. If any of you read my ability, I was planning to discuss with Eragon who I'd use it on, but notice after I offered a dance to Eragon, I wouldn't have been able to use it that day phase. However, there's a chance Slaxx keeps me alive Night 4 if it came to it? So maybe I'd have gotten lucky there. Anyhow, yeah that was not a good play by me.

I did still have fun, this game really picked my brain without being overly complicated. The mechanics are definitely a breath of fresh air as opposed to regular mafia, and I hope you'll mod something like this again, mastina.