Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

[Ankamius]

Unfortunately one frustration of this setup is that read accuracy based on pt interactions cannot be evaluated... really the pts in that regard almost exclusively help scum in pocketing attempts. If you say Nancy is town based on PT interactions, then it is hard to evaluate that objectively. I notice that the town pts tended to have a lot more shitposting, or just nothing, whereas all the scum were highly motivated to appear solvey. I guess the PTs are exclusively there to accelerate and amplify scum pocketing attempts. I think Witches Ball went more smoothly because there was no need to continue solving after the PTs were created.

Tbf

If RC wasn't so sure we were going to be NKed, we probably would have taken the PT much more seriously

I love abusing neighborhoods when I have an opportunity to

[Firebringer]

@FakeGod, sorry if I got overly tilted. I was already upset that you had this discussion itt, rather than PM, which is the standard practice. We talk via PL, reach a conclusion, then you post THAT in the main thread, so I already felt extremely violated by that and when you then add insult to injury by lauding another player for referencing off site information and use it to further shame me, I have to put my foot down. You should have also told Fire not to talk about your private PM correspondence with you in the dead thread, instead you chose to not only look the other way but escalate it. I would have preferred to tell you this via PM but unlike DT, who I believed to have been well-intentioned, you decided to push the envelope with something that really shouldn’t be any of your business to comment on. I mean, where does it end? What if someone googled me and posted private personal info about me? Yes, I realize that is a major reach but your lack of concern about what is and what isn’t acceptable to be lecturing someone in a public thread is extremely worrisome to me. There is a very good reason for the accepted practice to conduct these matters,

privately

. So, what I want to know, is where does it end for you? At what point do you decide that me or anyone else has an absolute right to privacy concerning all thing non-MS related?

What even is this

[Taly]

*throws post game <3's at

FB

aggressively*

[Firebringer]

Taly i am calling the police and ur <3s

[Taly]

The police can have some <3's

I don't discriminate

[Firebringer]

r u cheating on me with the police now.

[Ankamius]

I am the police now

Hands behind your head FB

[Firebringer]

*puts hand behind head*

[Pink Ball]

This is getting kinky. Can I be part of it?

[Firebringer]

Do what feels right.

[Ankamius]

Put your hands behind your head PB

[Krazy]

This is the dance we should have been at all along

[Taly]

my hands have been up this entire time :3

[Ankamius]

All of you are going downtown with me, watch your head

[Pink Ball]

Put your hands behind your head PB

Omg omg I'm so excited

[Dr Worm]

DR WORM IS EXCITED TOO WATCH OUT EVRRYBIDY!!

[FakeGod]

What even is this

Nancy is angry because she believes that I should have asked her for an explanation in private, and not damage her public image like I did through a public inquiry. In addition, she believes that DT should not have told everyone that she has been banned for similar behavior before, and I shouldn't have approved him afterwards.

I think her argument makes sense. She doesn't want people to know that she is a repeat offender, and she doesn't want her public image to suffer from this. I am of belief that you should always meet your mistakes head on, but I understand her position. Therefore, I apologized.

[Firebringer]

That was pretty much rhetorical FG. Just thought it was a ridiculous position to take.

[Dannflor]

You're a class act, FG. Thanks so much for modding this game, hope to play in another one of yours eventually.

[Krazy]

I don't actually think it's beneficent to continue that squabble, but if you don't want replace outs to be used as a form of emotional manipulation, why did you not insist she leave the game in pre-dance when she bolded the request? I feel like you're blaming her for coming back into the game when she had tilt replaced out. I don't think tilt replace outs can be prohibited since all that would do is make people lie more about why they're replacing out, mostly what this shows is that replace outs should simply be seen as NAI. And saying you're blacklisting her because she won a game using a form of emotional manipulation that you enabled by allowing her to remain in the game after the replacement request is confusing to me.

Like, we can all agree that there should be fewer replacement requests, that there should not be tactical replacements, that people should keep their cool more and not tiltreplace out. But as someone who looked at the replacement request and did not townread her for it but thought she was town for other, also incorrect reasons, this seems like you're blaming the scum winner for winning because some of the town townread her for shitty reasons.

I guess if you want a consistent policy on replace outs, say that A) Replacement request should be made by PM, not made in thread, B) Replacement requests are final and C) Players should stop posting as soon as they initiate a replacement request. Generally, the rules are in place right now because sometimes people get heated and say they want to replace out but then change their minds. Which--as far as I can tell--is exactly what happened this game. She did not threaten to replace out as a form of gaining towncred; she intended to replace out because of tilt.

I actually don't even know if I should post this, I partly don't want to touch this conversation with a ten foot pole, but I also think it's unfair to Gamma and DT to imply that town lost this because Nancy's slot was "compromised" when I don't think that really reflects what happened in this game.

*Backs quickly away from conversation*

[Firebringer]

why did you not insist she leave the game in pre-dance when she bolded the request

I did.

[FakeGod]

I agree, Krazy.

Therefore, I will be implementing the changes you've mentioned in my future games.

[Taly]

Disclaimer:

I'm not in anyway commenting on what has been mentioned by

FG

and

Nancy

, as I don't believe it's my place. But this situation gave me a realization.

I think it's 100% reasonable for mods to make it a common rule that replace-outs should be taken

exclusively

in PM. Replacing out is a personal matter and should be treated with such respect. This situation has told me that I should ever only replace-out whenever I absolutely cannot keep up with the game and I have a 1-on-1 discussion with the mod about that.

In the same breath, I feel ignorant here, as I've gathered somewhat of a reputation of flaking every 4th or 5th game I /in. If I can't handle a Mafia game -

(which is actually pretty taxing and stressful, regardless of the allure to it)

- through emotional or time means, then I shouldn't /in at all. No matter how much I love the playerlist, no matter how much I love the setup, no matter how much fun I think the game will be -

I should not /in if I ever doubt my ability to stick through the game.

So I want to change my attitude here. I will give myself a few weeks time to 'recover' between each game I finish, and the amount of games I can keep up with at once is only 1, so I'll only be in 1 game at a time. Even if I played in a hydra.

For the next several weeks - should a game I really want to play comes out - I will just

/in to spectate

and live vicariously through the person most likely to be mislynched.

[Ankamius]

I wish I could be like that

[Firebringer]

a good personal rule on replacing out because of what is happening in a game.
before requesting it in game. take a 24 hour game break and if you still want to replace out you can make a post with alot less emotion in it so people won't read into it.