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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:43 pm

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In post 662, Vedith wrote:
In post 661, Slaxx wrote:I mean if that’s your excuse not to engage in dialogue that’s fine I guess.
I'm happy to. I just don't see your argument of no to change my mind.
If you actually want to convince me that I'm wrong then advise why I should vote someone else over you?
Your argument you are absolutely convinced on is

“I think he is overall towny, but I misread him in the ballroom blitz game and I think I’m misreading him the same way here”
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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:44 pm

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In post 654, Vedith wrote:
In post 646, Slaxx wrote:So...because I flipped scum in another game and your slot has been scummy I'm scum?
That's not what I said at all :lol:
I'm saying you were Scum there and I have the exact same thought of your play there as your play here.
I mis read you there like I mis read you here.
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“I feel the same way about you as I did in the game I played with you where you were scum”

... I don’t think Vedith and I have played a completed game where we were both town

So this reason is like so far beyond any Socratic thought process

Like it never crosses his mind I might just be a hard read for him in general?
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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:45 pm

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In post 667, Slaxx wrote:Buuuut you’re so confident on my scum game that you voted me based on one that just finished like 48 hours ago? That makes zero sense.
Okay I guess I'll stay up a little longer.
You again have intentionally twisted what I was saying and tried to play it into your favour.
You are comparing what infirmation on your play I have in your scum game to a particular play I wouldn't have seen in your town game.
You're argument is completely invalid.
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:46 pm

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In post 669, Slaxx wrote:My guess is Ausuka.
Okay, why?
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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:47 pm

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In post 663, Slaxx wrote:
In post 662, Vedith wrote:
In post 661, Slaxx wrote:I mean if that’s your excuse not to engage in dialogue that’s fine I guess.
I'm happy to. I just don't see your argument of no to change my mind.
If you actually want to convince me that I'm wrong then advise why I should vote someone else over you?
My shitty ass wheat gambit pretty much always comes from town me. Look at Winters Sacrifice for Slaxx gambiting to draw a night kill.

Also the Tosser play is absolutely horrid, but that’s your slot so it’s a dead end.

I’ve already given my reason for several reads, including Vizzy town and Eragon town. You’re acting like the burden of proof is on me when I’ve been much more transparent with my thought processes.

The thing about your “gambit” that is bugging me is that you are currently claiming TPR.from your POV as a town PR, you would be faking a TPR gambit to draw the nightkill N1 as a TPR, which kinda defeats the purpose of gambitting to save TPR
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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:48 pm

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In post 679, Eragon wrote:
In post 663, Slaxx wrote:
In post 662, Vedith wrote:
In post 661, Slaxx wrote:I mean if that’s your excuse not to engage in dialogue that’s fine I guess.
I'm happy to. I just don't see your argument of no to change my mind.
If you actually want to convince me that I'm wrong then advise why I should vote someone else over you?
My shitty ass wheat gambit pretty much always comes from town me. Look at Winters Sacrifice for Slaxx gambiting to draw a night kill.

Also the Tosser play is absolutely horrid, but that’s your slot so it’s a dead end.

I’ve already given my reason for several reads, including Vizzy town and Eragon town. You’re acting like the burden of proof is on me when I’ve been much more transparent with my thought processes.

The thing about your “gambit” that is bugging me is that you are currently claiming TPR.from your POV as a town PR, you would be faking a TPR gambit to draw the nightkill N1 as a TPR, which kinda defeats the purpose of gambitting to save TPR
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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:48 pm

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In post 668, Eragon wrote:can you explain the similarities?
The posts and pushes have the same context and feel to them. Looking to being helpful/useful when actually not.
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:49 pm

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In post 627, Slaxx wrote:
In post 623, Ankamius wrote:Is it a one shot type thing?
I have no active abilities I’m aware of.

I was under the impression D1 I was just a middle of the pack dude in the Officer ranks so i tiredness to draw the night kill.
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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:50 pm

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In post 671, Eragon wrote:Your reads don’t get 100% correct if you flip town
I'm confident enough in my town reads alone to be confident that I'm right here.
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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:50 pm

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In post 681, Vedith wrote:
In post 668, Eragon wrote:can you explain the similarities?
The posts and pushes have the same context and feel to them. Looking to being helpful/useful when actually not.
That is unacceptably vague

And you still haven’t addressed the fact you don’t have town meta on me to compare it to

Which would be absolutely fine

If you weren’t using meta for the entirety of this push
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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:51 pm

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In post 672, Slaxx wrote:The fact Vedith is willing to say “lol that’s NAI” before even doing a meta dive or asking other people to source games is like

Wut

Like I understand if you don’t want to lean heavily on outside games to read me as town but you can’t do that while ALSO leaning on a recent game to read me as scum.

He just looking for a good couch to OMGUS me on.

Again mis repping what I was saying.
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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:55 pm

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In post 673, Eragon wrote:Then why don’t you explain why you are “Right” to town members?
Well for a start Slaxx is now twisting what I'm saying to suit. So there's that to add.
The fact that Scum are easily between him Lazy and Ausaka means that voting him I'm right more times than not.
When I'm trying to discuss about the other Scum I have to keep asking for an answer and even then it shows he's not looking for Scum otherwise it wouldn't just be guess without backing.

Slaxx is clearly Scum here.

Also im phone posting and it's 6am if you can post questions in less spam that would be great.
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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:57 pm

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In post 675, Eragon wrote:Your argument you are absolutely convinced on is

“I think he is overall towny, but I misread him in the ballroom blitz game and I think I’m misreading him the same way here”
The play is the same.
I was pretty convinced that Slaxxs play in that game reflected here.
Why would I be pushing as 2 more read town reads as Scum here today as Scum? That makes no sense.
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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:58 pm

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Nothing about your post addresses either Of Eragon or My questions

I’m really baffled how anyone can cast a vote on someone who they’ve played with as scum but not as town and, in good faith, say “I’m voting him because he feels similar” and not have the thought that maybe it’s a playstyle thing and not AI.

Then. On top of that, completely ignore any additional meta that might point towards me being torn.

It’s just... beyond comprehension from a town player.
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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:59 pm

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In post 676, Slaxx wrote:Like it never crosses his mind I might just be a hard read for him in general?
Plausible but your reaction to all of this just makes me know I'm right.
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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:01 pm

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In post 684, Slaxx wrote:That is unacceptably vague

And you still haven’t addressed the fact you don’t have town meta on me to compare it to

Which would be absolutely fine

If you weren’t using meta for the entirety of this push
But it wasn't just meta and you know that.
You're twisting what my read is all together.

I'm not sure town here would get so defensive to me calling you Scum and saying to follow my read tomorrow when you have a Scum read on me and I'm the most obvious lynch today.
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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:03 pm

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In post 689, Vedith wrote:
In post 676, Slaxx wrote:Like it never crosses his mind I might just be a hard read for him in general?
Plausible but your reaction to all of this just makes me know I'm right.
Lmao?

You still have yet to explain

1. The similarities between the games besides “feel”
2. The fact you don’t have any accurate town meta on me and refuse to look into it to falsify your read on me but still are leaning on a single game for your scumread on me
3. Why, in this particular game, outside of any meta, I’m scum

Literally any of those would help me understand your though process but instead you whine about misrepping and jump to my reaction to this push because you know those are going to be very difficult cases for you to make.
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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:05 pm

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In post 688, Slaxx wrote:I’m really baffled how anyone can cast a vote on someone who they’ve played with as scum but not as town and, in good faith, say “I’m voting him because he feels similar” and not have the thought that maybe it’s a playstyle thing and not AI.

Then. On top of that, completely ignore any additional meta that might point towards me being torn.

It’s just... beyond comprehension from a town player.
It's like me saying I only push higher town read players as town and not as Scum as I don't want to be called out on it.
It's meta that is particular to a different part of the argument.
You saying you only make gambit as town is not something I would take as meta with you saying it.

I have seen how you play Scum though and I do feel its the same as here.

Again why the Scum on Ausaka?
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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:06 pm

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In post 690, Vedith wrote:
In post 684, Slaxx wrote:That is unacceptably vague

And you still haven’t addressed the fact you don’t have town meta on me to compare it to

Which would be absolutely fine

If you weren’t using meta for the entirety of this push
But it wasn't just meta and you know that.
You're twisting what my read is all together.

I'm not sure town here would get so defensive to me calling you Scum and saying to follow my read tomorrow when you have a Scum read on me and I'm the most obvious lynch today.
Because it’s a stupid fucking reason to suspect someone.

When I feel it’s my play at fault I’ll admit it. Skitter, Eragon, and Pink all know that.

If I have a hard time following a thought process I tend to get suspicious. When people direct the conversation to my reaction to the bad thought process instead of elaborating on it I go for blood.
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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:07 pm

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In post 691, Slaxx wrote:1. The similarities between the games besides “feel”
2. The fact you don’t have any accurate town meta on me and refuse to look into it to falsify your read on me but still are leaning on a single game for your scumread on me
3. Why, in this particular game, outside of any meta, I’m scum
I can do a cross over of examples between that game and this game tomorrow when I'm am my PC.
But it will be for the town not for you.
I already stated I don't need to convince you. You then wanted to discuss reads and still fail to show interest in sorting out other Scum.
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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:09 pm

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In post 692, Vedith wrote:
In post 688, Slaxx wrote:I’m really baffled how anyone can cast a vote on someone who they’ve played with as scum but not as town and, in good faith, say “I’m voting him because he feels similar” and not have the thought that maybe it’s a playstyle thing and not AI.

Then. On top of that, completely ignore any additional meta that might point towards me being torn.

It’s just... beyond comprehension from a town player.
It's like me saying I only push higher town read players as town and not as Scum as I don't want to be called out on it.
It's meta that is particular to a different part of the argument.
You saying you only make gambit as town is not something I would take as meta with you saying it.

I have seen how you play Scum though and I do feel its the same as here.

Again why the Scum on Ausaka?
But you haven’t played with me as town so the fact I’m giving you the same feel and you’re so hellbent on it just isn’t something I see as genuine.

And the fact is you could ask other people or do a quick dive to see me try to draw the kill as town but you didn’t. You don’t have to take me for my word, you can source the information on your own.
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:10 pm

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In post 694, Vedith wrote:
In post 691, Slaxx wrote:1. The similarities between the games besides “feel”
2. The fact you don’t have any accurate town meta on me and refuse to look into it to falsify your read on me but still are leaning on a single game for your scumread on me
3. Why, in this particular game, outside of any meta, I’m scum
I can do a cross over of examples between that game and this game tomorrow when I'm am my PC.
But it will be for the town not for you.
I already stated I don't need to convince you. You then wanted to discuss reads and still fail to show interest in sorting out other Scum.
Vizzy, Lazy, Ank, and Eragon are all townreads.

I think Lazy might be the only one I haven’t explained well.

You two are what’s left.
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:10 pm

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In post 693, Slaxx wrote:Because it’s a stupid fucking reason to suspect someone.

When I feel it’s my play at fault I’ll admit it. Skitter, Eragon, and Pink all know that.

If I have a hard time following a thought process I tend to get suspicious. When people direct the conversation to my reaction to the bad thought process instead of elaborating on it I go for blood.
But it doesn't make sense for you to react this was at all.
On my flip town should lynch you tomorrow just for how defensive you got.
It makes no sense for you to "admit" your play at fault as Scum so I don't even know what you're saying right now?
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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:13 pm

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In post 697, Vedith wrote:
In post 693, Slaxx wrote:Because it’s a stupid fucking reason to suspect someone.

When I feel it’s my play at fault I’ll admit it. Skitter, Eragon, and Pink all know that.

If I have a hard time following a thought process I tend to get suspicious. When people direct the conversation to my reaction to the bad thought process instead of elaborating on it I go for blood.
But it doesn't make sense for you to react this was at all.
On my flip town should lynch you tomorrow just for how defensive you got.
It makes no sense for you to "admit" your play at fault as Scum so I don't even know what you're saying right now?
Pink Balls push on me about not unvoting was a good push

It was a stupid thing I did that I regret

You’re case on me is literally “you feel like you did in another game you were scum in even though I have no frame of reference for town you and you getting upset with the logic reinforced my read”

Which is just the epitome of asinine.
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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:14 pm

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In post 696, Slaxx wrote:Vizzy, Lazy, Ank, and Eragon are all townreads.

I think Lazy might be the only one I haven’t explained well.

You two are what’s left.
So when you have PoE it's okay but when you're in my PoE and I feel you to be the most scummy on it I don't make sense?
Get out of here with your double standards.

I don't care that I'm the lynch today, tomorrow you're lynched then Lazy or Ausaka.

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I'm done talking with you. You wanted to discuss Scum reads to convince me you're not Scum and you just can't do it.
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