Anime U-Pick: King Size [SEASON FINALE...?]

[Near x Mello]

yes single. Its annoying that you have to ask that. Its like you havent read shit.

[singletonking]

Sorry, I did see you say that, and because the thread is active when I'm asleep I can't read properly

But you're confident enough to ignore RC?

[Spike and Jet]

Tried to wotc but no dice.

I should really just stop playing forum mafia, my body can't handle it.

Creature said Gamma scum in the PT so i'll go with that as my 3rd.

So final guess:
{ooba, FL, Gamma}

Mod replace Creature into our hydra and add me to the dead thread, thanks.

Sorry for bailing, Creature.

[Near x Mello]

VOTE: Spike and Jet

Mastina, Wisdom, promise me you will not drive town off a cliff if I die tonight.

ask me that when youre not voting town on the whims of obvscum

[singletonking]

tfw replacements cause more replacements

[singletonking]

NxM I hope you realise me questioning you is me trying to work with you and not pushing you

RC isn't even attacking you

[Spike and Jet]

Well, this has gone great.

[singletonking]

Still willing to lynch RP, if we want to push this game in a non-toxic direction

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Spike and Jet

Mastina, Wisdom, promise me you will not drive town off a cliff if I die tonight.

ask me that when youre not voting town on the whims of obvscum

Show me then

[Reasonably Psychotic]

Still willing to lynch RP, if we want to push this game in a non-toxic direction

I don't think you realize my history with RC/severa. Wouldn't be toxic, but would certainly be verbose.

Speaking if which, how the fuck did we manage to go from fl to one of the like...2 players remaining on site who are not already in the game and are even spammier than him???

Anyways.

Anks info about the pt is...not super damning with regards to fl/severa. From what you described, I don't necessarily see how you originally arrived at a scum!flpocketing the channel conclusion; I'm obviously missing context, but your answers didn't really hit what I was expecting to see from a concerted effort on their part to control that pt.

With that said...onestly no clue about Severas alignment based on their posts alone, but fairly confident I can resolve it with them rather than fl in the slot if I manage to wade through the spam.

Severa: quick note, I never shoot Drixx N1, short of an IC claim(and even then its doubtful). Too much fun to beat my homie, and too confident in my ability to anticipate what he's likely to do to be threatened by him as a protective in this case. *shrug*

-Yukiteru

[Ankamius]

Is all of that to STK

[Tatsuya Kaname]

Votecount 2.12

Spike and Jet(5)

~ Severa(262), singletonking(45), Ankamius(150), Dunnstral(53), Gamma Emerald(88)

ooba(4)

~ Elena Fisher(12), Toogeloo(29), Spike and Jet(104), Near x Mello(260)

Gamma Emerald(3)

~ Reasonably Psychotic(26), Chito and Yuuri(37), Torque(30)

Severa(1)

~ mastina(25)

Near x Mello(1)

~ Joan of Arc(39)

Elena Fisher(1)

~ Pink Ball(20)


Not Voting (2): Almost50(86), ooba(2)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-02 11:00:00)

FLAVOR

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[Near x Mello]

VOTE: spike

upon rereading i think rc is prolly right and i just wanted fl to be scum

with that in mind its prolly spike/elena/rp

~Near

[Ankamius]

Dw wisdom

I'll make damn sure that RC and I are on the same page tonight and break any possible future paranoia that I'm being pocketed

I think it's unlikely with our conversation in the PT and how similar our reads are (I'm behind by about 3 townreads but that's about it?)

[Pink Ball]

VOTE: Spike and Jet

I wanted Gamma but it's not happening

[Chito and Yuuri]

VOTE: Spike and Jet

I wanted Gamma but it's not happening

Chito: but you were just on Elena?

[Elena Fisher]

FL's points on Near look damn solid
VOTE: Near X Mello

Chito: I asked a while ago whether you thought this vote from Gamma was bullshit or real

Chito: Partly I'm asking if you think this is how Town!Gamma responds to FL's 2187, Spike.

And what is your opinion on this? Do you think they’re partners? That Gamma is faking the read etc etc. Gamma was one of the other main day 1 wagons/topics of a vote. So figuring this out would want to be one of my main objectives.

Ahahahahahahahahahaha.

BORING.

Oh dear.

aight so I've read a decent chunk of the game and there's a big preface I need to make before I start casing Spike and Jet:

you are fucking high if you think that the game is basically solved because you correctly lynched scum!

vedith

on day one.

You are also fucking high if you think that he wasn't bussed by at least a few scum.

Your collective PoE pool is shit and play like this is the traditional reason that towns lose after lynching scum D1, everyone turns their brains off and goes onto autopilot.

People are talking like the game is already basically over when you lynched 1 scum and one who was an extremely weak player and pretty much all your associative scumreads are shit.

Get past the idea that lynching scum!Vedith means the game is over.

+1 I'm shocked people are talking like the game is over all of a sudden. While some people had some bad interactions with Vedith and that probably points to a few scum. I am certain a few scum also had good interactions with him/about him. He was a wagon for such a long time that scum had time to prepare for his death. One of the reasons I see town get off track is because after a scum day 1 lynch people use only that information to line up lynches. Trust me when I say scum prepare for the death of partners all the time. It's some of the best game-winning plays

[Ankamius]

I'm so glad that half of the debate is so much more common than I had expected it to

[Reasonably Psychotic]

I'm so glad that half of the debate is so much more common than I had expected it to

I think only mastina really thought the game was solved with Vediths lynch.

She's just vocal.

-Yukiteru

[Elena Fisher]

Ftr I'm blocking any lynch on severa after this point

Hm? Why

Okay I'm fully on board with this now

See above.

VOTE: spike

upon rereading i think rc is prolly right and i just wanted fl to be scum

with that in mind its prolly spike/elena/rp

~Near

Interesting

[Elena Fisher]

More so I find it interesting that people think I would even be in a poe as scum in the first place, but carry on. Although maybe I would be on this account? It really depends. I don't know what makes me so hard to read to other people so maybe if I was scum I'd be in the poe? Hm, this isn't a topic for here I suppose. Just a thought that crossed my mind for the most part. I have only played one scum game on this account and it was pretty good. Alright, I don't mind a spike lynch mostly because I'm not townreading them, but that's not the main reason I'd want them dead

[Gamma Emerald]

My thoughts on the NxM case

The Near case so it doesn’t get lost in the pages

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.15
Vedith(5) ~ Near x Mello(91), Chito and Yuuri(79), Clemency(52), mastina(73), Joan of Arc(32)

Votecount 1.16
Vedith(9) L-1 ~ Chito and Yuuri(83), mastina(78), Joan of Arc(32), Drixx(22), Gamma Emerald(82), Torque(81), Spike and Jet(127), Near x Mello(97), Almost50(58)

Here’s the Vedith wagon. It started picking up steam, then Vedith claims and real quickly Near changes his vote to Mastina. Counterclaimed, and Near has to move back to get the bus cred.

The fact that this was counterclaimed tells me that scum is on this wagon. I think I want to say Chito’s town from this because he was on Vedith for a long time and stayed strong onto it, plus I doubt it’s them and Near.

Mastina is probably town, but could be coasting scum, i don’t really care to get into that right now. Drixx is flipped town. Joan is one of the homies. I’ll explain why i believe Gamma to be town when I pull up another vote count. And A50 is suiciding if he’s scum.

That leaves Near, SnJ, and Torque. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were multiple scum on this wagon, and my bets would be Near and Torque if that were the case. Near relieves pressure from scummate Vedith then they got counterclaimed.

I have some more Vote stuff I’m gonna pull up for Gamma and Torque.

I figured the placements made sense for what Flavor was saying here

Spoiler:

1.15
Drixx(2) ~ singletonking(48), Torque(67)

This is who is voting Drixx prior to claims. Torque then move some over onto Vedith once Drixx claims even though they were voting there, which is why I’m starting to feel ScumTorque is very possible.



1.16
Gamma Emerald(3)~ Elena Fisher(22), Pink Ball, Clemency

This was the largest wagon besides Vedith at the end of the day. I know there was a Pink ball wagon prior, but that dissipated, so I think this is more telling. Clemency is basically conf town in my eyes already, and Pink Ball and I got into some discussion where they basically metaphorically slapped me because I was getting paranoid on the slot, mixed in with the Vedith countering wagon, Pink Ball is town. Elena being on the Gamma wagon splits scum, which we all know scum like to do, which directly coincides with the Elena/Near scum team I’ve been stating.

Near bused Vedith but backed off once pressure got involved. Near was pushing Elena/Robert/Me as scum, pushed Robert and myself, but Elena wagon gained a little steam and backed off.

I was already FoSing Elena a little because she's felt off to me and I felt the scum vote split thing made sense.

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.11
Vedith(5) ~ Near x Mello(73), Chito and Yuuri(70), Torque(60), Clemency(43), Spike and Jet(115)
Pink Ball(5) ~ Gamma Emerald(66), Joan of Arc(29), Robert2424(15), Almost50(44), Vedith(41)

These were the countering wagons prior. This actually makes me believe that Torque isn’t scum, and after thinking about it, there easily could be another scum on the Pink ball wagon here in the form of Robert.

Still. Near’s bussing on the Vedith wagon and bussing/backing off of Elena now. I don’t think Robert flips red either.

This one opens my eyes a bit more that i’m Probably wrong on a town read somewhere, but it doesn’t change the fact that Near is scum.

This post felt organic to me.

Spoiler:

think my interactions with vedith are pretty obviously not s/s to anyone who bothers to look closely at them

Yeah, I only put you on that list because of technicalities. I don’t think you’re scum, as you can tell.

Also, Near’s trying to coerce you into mislynching me. The only thing he can do to defend himself is to act like none of this affects anything. He’s trying to push his Elena scum read

This doesn't really affect anything

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.11

Vedith

(5) ~

Near x Mello

(73),

Chito and Yuuri

(70),

Torque

(60),

Clemency

(43),

Spike and Jet

(115)

Pink Ball

(5) ~

Gamma Emerald

(66),

Joan of Arc

(29),

Robert2424

(15),

Almost50

(44),

Vedith

(41)

i can also paint pictures

~Near

But for you, there’s no soul in it! All you are trying to do is discredit discredit discredit, when in actuality, even if my analysis is wrong, it isn’t poor analysis. Any deeper thinking and bringing up acts of the past are beneficial.

This is you actively trying to keep town from organizing.

Agree that NxM posting that was just discrediting.

Spoiler:

viewtopic.php?p=10623037#p10623037

Here’s the last game I did VCA with if anyone wants to check playstyle and whatnot.

It was later in game, so i had much more to go off of, but yeah

your analysis is poor and crystal clear manipulative because you begin with the hypothesis im scum

~Near

It’s not that I began with that hypothesis, I have been actively finding reasons to believe that you are scum this game, and you haven’t attempted at all this game to rectify that read.

It’s not on me to analyze you “better” when you don’t give any sort of actual posting to analyze in the sense. I have been looking for scum elsewhere, I had even considered the fact that i was wrong on you multiple times, but you don’t give any actual reasons for anything, you constantly discredit and misrep, and nobody in this game should feel bad if they don’t town read you because you don’t give them anything. You are actively avoiding giving any sense of read on you, which is more than likely because you are scum.

Is there a part of me that feels that you could be green? Yes. It’s Not very high, though, because you are actively avoiding actually playing and just constantly tunnel in almost an entirely political fashion.

You wait for momentum to be pulled, and you help use the centripetal force of the natural flow and momentum in this game to move it where you would like to move it.

This has happened time after time this game, with the Vedith claim, you helping relieve the pressure, but then it got bounced right back.

You waited for Mastina to case me so you could use the momentum to join on me. The momentum was siding with me, so you backed off of it.

This is your scum game. You aren’t playing to find scum, youre swinging the momentum around to have the group mindset collectively mislynch so you don’t have to take the fall for it, and playing it in a way where if someone is mislynched, it’s their own fault.

This made sense but there's the possibility FL is doing what I do as scum, which is take a scenario that looks possibly scummy and work to make it look as bad for the target as possible.

Spoiler:

you know the best reason for everyone here to see that I am the town win this situation?

ScumWisdom has to get rid of TownFL because I’m tunneling. If I am night killed, I will do damage to the scum team, and Clemency can become confirmed town.

ScumFL doesn’t need to push Wisdom here. I night kill threats and people that push me. Take a look at OK2. I literally spent 2 nights making sure Wisdom dies.

Drixx was also in my channel.

Wisdom says that scumFL just needs to kill Wisdom then that guarantees the game for me, right?

Then why was I actively letting Wisdom go for a bit? I was going over the possibility that he was town, and I talked about this in my channel that I just really didn’t want to be wrong on Wisdom.

I even decided to vote Elena, someone that Wisdom has stated was scum. I was going along with him to try and make sure my read was as accurate as it could possibly be.

He isn’t trying to read me, he’s trying to mislynch me. I have actively been trying to read him, and I discuss with him.


I respond to every single thing he comes after me for and when he tries to discredit me.

I clear everything up.

TownWisdom does not scum read me here after doing all of these things.

He just doesn’t.

This makes sense and I can vouch about the "who needs to nightkill whom" logic.

[Ankamius]

PT stuff elena

[Elena Fisher]

Ah, has she posted in the PT? I won't ask what but just a Y/N

[Chito and Yuuri]

More so I find it interesting that people think I would even be in a poe as scum in the first place, but carry on. Although maybe I would be on this account? It really depends. I don't know what makes me so hard to read to other people so maybe if I was scum I'd be in the poe? Hm, this isn't a topic for here I suppose. Just a thought that crossed my mind for the most part. I have only played one scum game on this account and it was pretty good. Alright, I don't mind a spike lynch mostly because I'm not townreading them, but that's not the main reason I'd want them dead

Chito: I guess for me the main thing is I don't feel like you're having fun this game and that is making it hard to toneread you as town. Maybe roleplaying as Elena makes you seem less relaxed?