Open 749 | Vengecop - Over!

[Draco Lucky]

I have played enough mafia to get a feel for it, that was a bus and there is at least one mafia between worm and bbmolla is it too hard to understand?

I always scum hunt thinking what would I have done in that position.

I'm still venging worm or bbmolla if pp hammers me

See that's the point, though.

From your perspective, you don't have to have a feel for mafia. You just have to look at the vote counts and flips to know - FOR A FACT - that there were two scum on Ok's wagon.

That you still don't seem to grasp that point shows pretty conclusively that you're not actually trying to solve the game.

-U2

[Draco Lucky]

Oh cool

I was right.

Yes. U2 is correct. The fact Junko still isn’t picking up on why it’s an issue is heavily scum indicative. It wouldn’t be as potent of a tell is the hadn’t quoted that wagon and did some surface analysis on it, but I find it very hard to believe that she didn’t realize, as town, both scum had to be on the OK wagon. The fact she still doesn’t realize why its a tell pretty much solidifies what we are saying about the reads and post being contrived.

[Draco Lucky]

-Slaxx

[PenguinPower]

You think they are both scum, or one scum in between them?

[JunkoChan]

*eye roll* you don't get it

Pedit: i think there's a high chance they are both scum but i'm dead sure at least one of them is

[xwing]

Slaxx is pretty confident Xwing is town.

I'm not as confident. That last reads list was bad. Last scum is still likely Bbmolla or Dann

-U2

Worm and Dann are good checks if junko is town

uhhhh i dont get your logic here u2..
if you say my read list is bad, then why do we have the same, sans dann?
you say last scum is likely bb or dann..im actually voting bb..been voting and susp that slot for ages..
you say dr worm is a good check..im suspecting dr worm as well..
whuuuut? @_@ c'mon man..
killed townies all got me as town..
i suggest you trust the slaxx head on this..but it's your call..

that said, i now feel like i can't trust dann this game..
u2 confusion/waffling on my slot comes from a genuine place..im pretty confident of this..
i cant say the same about dann..he has always read me right..might be coz of how i played this game or whatever, but i feel i've played the game as i've always had..
early on the game, he was "cautious" around me, playing buddy and sheeping my votes..and saying words like "at the risk of you thinking im further buddying you..+ town points for paranoia etc etc".. [paraphrased]..
now, i just feel he's taking advantage of u2's susp to turn against me..
if JC is town (which i feel is a bigger chance rn), it could be a dann/bb team..
if JC is scum, i dunno what to think..

can you rank your reads to me right now, u2?

lastly, if you guys want JC lynched, go ahead, but im not joining the wagon rn unless i personally find it scummy..i want JC to address slaxx's points against her (VCA and the activity-tell) before i say my piece..

tldr:
draco is town, he can be my strongest for now, though i wish i was able to read them waaaay earlier..
jc i feel is more likely town than not, im okay to lynch, but im not joining that wagon..
dr worm is an enigma, i want him to be town..
bb and dann is null/scum

PS: i wanna hear from PP..

pedit: i've read the new posts but havent digested, too lazy to rewrite my essay..

[xwing]

[snip] if PP decides to finish me I'm venging dr worm or bbmolla

^why im okay with a JC lynch..

[xwing]

*eye roll* you don't get it

Pedit: i think there's a high chance they are both scum but i'm dead sure at least one of them is

did you get draco's point about that particular VCA, though?

[Draco Lucky]

@xwing

Paragraph 2 of your wall on dann is just pure ate
Paragraph 3 is "I have no reasons why I think Bbmolla is scum so I'm just going to throw up my hands because it's not like I can convince anyone anyway"
Paragraph 4 is a lecture on how we should have lynched JC yesterday, so now we're stuck with the slot? Like, what?

and then at the end you're clearly self-aware that what you're doing ("call it a vanity vote or whatever") isn't pro-town, but you commit to it anyway.

The whole thing reads scummy

-U2

[PenguinPower]

PS: i wanna hear from PP..

What do you want to hear?

[JunkoChan]

*eye roll* you don't get it

Pedit: i think there's a high chance they are both scum but i'm dead sure at least one of them is

did you get draco's point about that particular VCA, though?

I think I do but I still think he is wrong

[Draco Lucky]

*eye roll* you don't get it

Pedit: i think there's a high chance they are both scum but i'm dead sure at least one of them is

did you get draco's point about that particular VCA, though?

I think I do but I still think he is wrong

1. You say due to scumhunting you think both scum bussed
2. If you’re town, you know both scum bussed based on the very VC you quoted, as everyone off wagon is town
3. I don’t see town doing a genuine analysis and not noticing this
4. Therefore, you’re scum

It’s reinforced by the fact you were slow to pick up on the point.

That’s it. You’re caught.

-Slaxx

[Draco Lucky]

*eye roll* you don't get it

Pedit: i think there's a high chance they are both scum but i'm dead sure at least one of them is

did you get draco's point about that particular VCA, though?

I think I do but I still think he is wrong

Votecount 1.Final

Target	Wagon
0verki11 (6)	xwing (207), Dannflor (214), Draco Lucky (236), PenguinPower (248), BBMolla (258), Dr Worm (281)
Micc (1)	Creature (143)
Dannflor (1)	Vedith (211)
BBMolla (1)	Micc (134)
Not Voting (2)	0verki11 , DoubtingThomas

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. 0verki11 has been lynched.

@junko This is the final day 1 vote count colored to match your pov. You didn't need a "feel" for the game to reach the conclusion of a bus. You just had to read the game. Not even the game, just the mod posts.

That's why it's obvious you're not solving. If there is an explanation for this error, now would be the time, mate.

[Draco Lucky]

-U2

[xwing]

I'll come up and say Mr Worm, PP and xwing are town

btw i suspect creature was killed because this is right

{RC, PP, xwing, worm}
molla ????
{Micc, Draco}
{Vedith, Dannflor} btw

this seems relevant. Added note: RC later said that he had micc too low on the list
-U2

In my experience, mafia always kills whoever they think is more treatening or whoever is not scumreading them
Assumung we are all at least semi experienced here the first one is less likely, by killing RC who had the same reads as Creature it basicly locktowns those reads

Tbh I don't understand how after all that happened day 2 Dr.worm is still not dead
VOTE: Dr.worm

did an ISO on you JC, and this is your first post..
RC and creature got similar reads, and you said that them having the same reads "locktowns" these reads..
dr worm is part of the overlap, along with me (?) and PP (conf!town)..
but you're voting dr worm..

[xwing]

PS: i wanna hear from PP..

What do you want to hear?

what do you think of dann, bb, and JC?
do you have any reactions/thoughts on the current interactions that is happening?
any last words before you prolly get killed? ^_^

[JunkoChan]

*eye roll* you don't get it

Pedit: i think there's a high chance they are both scum but i'm dead sure at least one of them is

did you get draco's point about that particular VCA, though?

I think I do but I still think he is wrong

Votecount 1.Final

Target	Wagon
0verki11 (6)	xwing (207), Dannflor (214), Draco Lucky (236), PenguinPower (248), BBMolla (258), Dr Worm (281)
Micc (1)	Creature (143)
Dannflor (1)	Vedith (211)
BBMolla (1)	Micc (134)
Not Voting (2)	0verki11 , DoubtingThomas

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. 0verki11 has been lynched.

@junko This is the final day 1 vote count colored to match your pov. You didn't need a "feel" for the game to reach the conclusion of a bus. You just had to read the game. Not even the game, just the mod posts.

That's why it's obvious you're not solving. If there is an explanation for this error, now would be the time, mate.

You do realise I was reading like i was here from day 1? I got to that conclusion after day 2's flip, of course I got no way to prove it

@xwing locktowns in the sense that they would be easily seeing as town

[xwing]

*eye roll* you don't get it

Pedit: i think there's a high chance they are both scum but i'm dead sure at least one of them is

did you get draco's point about that particular VCA, though?

I think I do but I still think he is wrong

they are wrong in what way?
really was hoping your answer would further clear you but it's doing the opposite so far..
i thought we could be friends who shared the same suspicions..im sad..

[Draco Lucky]

My scumhunting powers tell me that day 1 lynch was an outright bus, keep that in mind

Penguinpower: town (duh)

Xwing: Overall town game couldn't find traces of scum malice

Dannfloor: this is town dann gameplay no doubts, he is usually more fency as scum

Draco Lucky: I'm still null on this slot, could be mafia but I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't tbh

BBMolla: Scumlean After saying we would wait for Micc's replacement to appear votes me right away without even giving me a chance to give my vision of the game.

Dr.Worm: scum read, thinks he can hide behind his gimmick, but you can't tell me that this isn't odd:

DR WORM LIKES YOUR LAST POAST MR VADETH!!

FIANLLY MORE VEDITH VOTES!!

Starts "having second thoughts" about Vedith and suddenly he is happy that votes are pilling on Vedith (who btw anyone really thought he was scum???) like why

I can see these 2 in a team and OH remember that I said I had a feeling that overkill lynch was an outright bus? look at this:

Votecount 1.Final

Target	Wagon
0verki11 (6)	xwing (207), Dannflor (214), Draco Lucky (236), PenguinPower (248), BBMolla (258), Dr Worm (281)
Micc (1)	Creature (143)
Dannflor (1)	Vedith (211)
BBMolla (1)	Micc (134)
Not Voting (2)	0verki11, DoubtingThomas

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. 0verki11 has been lynched.

BBMolla and Dr worm both voted Overkill when the lynch was pretty much decided.

I rest my case.

I'll come up and say Mr Worm, PP and xwing are town

btw i suspect creature was killed because this is right

{RC, PP, xwing, worm}
molla ????
{Micc, Draco}
{Vedith, Dannflor} btw

this seems relevant. Added note: RC later said that he had micc too low on the list

-U2

In my experience, mafia always kills whoever they think is more treatening or whoever is not scumreading them

Assumung we are all at least semi experienced here the first one is less likely, by killing RC who had the same reads as Creature it basicly locktowns those reads

Tbh I don't understand how after all that happened day 2 Dr.worm is still not dead

VOTE: Dr.worm

Unralated: I became what what I hate the most, a replacement ugh this is trully despair inducing<3

Your entry post (second one) implies you read Day 2. That post alone makes zero sense because you should have locktownres Worm.

The post in question came well after that post. The progression makes no sense as town. The whole ISO doesn’t.

[Draco Lucky]

Oh my bad about the piece about locktown I misunderstood

Doesn’t change the first piece though

[xwing]

sorry JC i didnt understand 891..
can you kindly repeat it for me?

[JunkoChan]

sorry JC i didnt understand 891..
can you kindly repeat it for me?

It's hard to explain i mean they are "locktowns" as in likely town but not quite

I think the word lock was too strong there

[JunkoChan]

We can be friends if you get the win for us even after i die to this mess

[xwing]

@xwing

Paragraph 2 of your wall on dann is just pure ate
Paragraph 3 is "I have no reasons why I think Bbmolla is scum so I'm just going to throw up my hands because it's not like I can convince anyone anyway"
Paragraph 4 is a lecture on how we should have lynched JC yesterday, so now we're stuck with the slot? Like, what?

and then at the end you're clearly self-aware that what you're doing ("call it a vanity vote or whatever") isn't pro-town, but you commit to it anyway.

The whole thing reads scummy

-U2

i missed this..
par2: AtE, yeah i guess, does my frustration read genuine or not to you??
par3: uhhhh what? i suggest you re-read why i think bb is scum..im just saying that most of you dont believe bb is scum so im not going to waste my entire time arguing about it..but i made sure to make my convictions known with my vote..i dont feel like i have to go with general consensus..
par4: is me frustrated with a vedith lynch when before i left the plan was to lynch micc and have him cop someone else..then logging on and knowing there's a sudden change of plans..put yourself in my shoes and tell me how you would you feel about that? does my frustration read genuine or not to you??

yes, im self-aware of the "vanity vote" because dann used the word, im merely reusing it, hence the double quotes..and i dont consider my vote as a vanity vote or even anti-town, because i believe that bb might be scum, and so my vote is there..what do you expect town!me to do? you havent explained why im scummy when we have basically the same reads..zzzzzz..aaaaaand i came up with it first before you iirc..
see first parts in 880..

[xwing]

We can be friends if you get the win for us even after i die to this mess

i dunno..the VCA argument against you is pretty compelling..
my only consolation is if you're town i know you're copping slots who i want to cop anyway..
if you're scum though, im gonna be brokenhearted..