You're not my robot supervisor.In post 9334, PenguinPower wrote:Shut up.
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Flashpoint shazam superior.In post 9357, Elsa Jay wrote:Clearly You don't remember that MAZAHS is specifically Earth 3 Shazam Alexander Luthor.
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Useless speculation.In post 9367, RCEnigma wrote:Did scum skip on a kill to use their abilities night 3?This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Oh fuck. I knew there was something I meant to do last night.In post 9462, Elsa Jay wrote:Also, to correct a mistake made by me and so we all know it... Since I perhaps didn't think it through that much, I handed Jingle an extra charge night 5 from the Bonus round.
Thinking about it, giving a commuter an extra charge wasnt the best plan but I didn't know which investigative scum would kill and I didn't trust Nev at the time.
TBC, he gave me a 1 shot charge transfer, and I intended to use it as a 1 shot charge transfer.
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Eh. I don't care as much. We have circumstantial Xtox town (barring scum tracker).
We have profii scum. I don't really feel it's necessary to massclaim when we pretty much know the end result of the day.
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How, given the restraint of no unclaimed variant roles, can TLK have received fruit if profii is not scum?In post 9465, RCEnigma wrote:Prediction for the day is that we flip Profii and he flips town and jingle laughs and laughs ....and laughs and laughs and laughs.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Preponderance of evidence.In post 9481, profii wrote:
You’re gonna have to explain why I’m scum (clue - I’m not)In post 9476, Jingle wrote:Eh. I don't care as much. We have circumstantial Xtox town (barring scum tracker).
We have profii scum. I don't really feel it's necessary to massclaim when we pretty much know the end result of the day.
We should probably out the Boonus round participants from last night though, so we can figure that out.
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Not quoting pretty much all of the last two days at you, but sure. Claim there's no evidence.In post 9486, profii wrote:that's not evidence that's conjecture but okThis is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Potential prizes and who won?In post 9493, Xtoxm wrote:yeah, there were 4 of usThis is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Eh that was mostly because I was scumreading you and didn't want to have to fight Nancy on that anyway. It's exhausting trying to convince her her townreads are wrong.In post 9497, Xtoxm wrote:i didnt make a note
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so now we dont need to mislynch me to confirm thanos
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Gamma and two unclaimed.In post 9499, Elsa Jay wrote:So I guess Nev is legitimately the only Town Protective in this basically role madness. Sigh.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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In post 8581, PenguinPower wrote:
No..both profii and I clarified this with him.In post 8577, Thanos wrote:I'm considering TLK may have confused fruit with SF, have to check.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Dude, how many times I gotta explain other peepses claims? He's a babysittter, which is <rand believable because he was babysitter in the last game we player together but >rand believable because who the fuck fakeclaims a role what needs to be NK'd ASAP?In post 9522, Nev and Max wrote:
Did gamma claim? They we're being the most shady around claimingIn post 9474, Jingle wrote:
Nero and Xtox.In post 9467, Nev and Max wrote:We could finish our mass claim since I think 2 people are still holding g out for some reason.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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I'm gonna read this on some other day when I'm less drunk. But you're still prbscum.In post 9528, profii wrote:blah blah blah blah blahThis is a Parachute.- Jingle
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EJ been lolcatting the whole game. No one, least of all EJ, should be surprised if we flip him. Hell, if I hadn't repped in being the saviour of the 3p and the downtrodden I am we'd probably have flipped him instead of SS.In post 9532, Thanos wrote:What's the case on EJ?
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Well, considering we have 3 claimed protectives and none of them are responsible for our missing kill.In post 9533, Thanos wrote:Why not N&M? You're town on them because they're the only claimed protective so far?This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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So you're an OK doctor? farseinating.In post 9534, Nev and Max wrote:
Ok.In post 9526, davesaz wrote:
That was a request to say what modifiers you have.In post 9524, Nev and Max wrote:
Ok.In post 9479, davesaz wrote:Nev & Max, I don't remember if you have any modifiers?This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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given retraction was before the una claim I"m leaning NAI. Fact check to make sure I'm right, but I think notRC did a reaction test based on that.In post 9535, Thanos wrote:
Bringing this up again.In post 8592, Thanos wrote:Also RCE claiming a Vanilla result on Una and retracting it later citing "mod error" feels fishy.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Aye, allies.In post 9545, Thanos wrote:Who's townreading N&M and why?
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for clarification, they retracted the expected doc claim on PP to say they holstered and were gunna doc PP the next night. Logically that was attempt to make scum shoot not PP the next night. Why have PP doc claim if you know PP gonna die? Why kill PP if you claim youre gonna doc him? Seems bad, seems not scum.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Pics or it didn't happen. (lowkey belief, but not factchecking.)In post 9548, Thanos wrote:
No, retraction was after Una claimed he's not Vanilla.In post 9544, Jingle wrote:given retraction was before the una claim I"m leaning NAI.
Still trying to think of any specific scum motivation, but I think he did it just to legitimize his claim if he sussed Una was Vanilla based on other reasons. But I don't know why scum would make that guess, so I'm prolly wrong about this.
Probs me if you flip scum, which is the unfortunate side effect of putting yourself out there for people you think might be town. If you flip town? Dunno, but peeps prolly not gonna recognize it means me town.In post 9549, Elsa Jay wrote:
But who'll be Public enemy number one if I die? For town AND scum?In post 9541, Jingle wrote:
EJ been lolcatting the whole game. No one, least of all EJ, should be surprised if we flip him. Hell, if I hadn't repped in being the saviour of the 3p and the downtrodden I am we'd probably have flipped him instead of SS.In post 9532, Thanos wrote:What's the case on EJ?
I'm all generous and shit like that.
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9551 was before I saw this, JIC that matters.In post 9550, Thanos wrote:You see them doing all this as town? Towncase their recent day play?This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Not killing PP is bad move. Claiming to be doccing PP on night when you have presumable excuse of missing shot is bad move.In post 9554, Thanos wrote:Kill PP because loyal PP was sending fruit to one of you, N&M and Xtoxm. Why is that a bad move if one of you is scum?
I expect N&M is playing on arbitrarily named level 3. They would need to expect someone to be playing on arbitrarily named level 4 to claim what they did. Weal read cause wrong if they're playing on arbitrarily named level 1 or arbitrarily named level 5. Kinda doubt it tho.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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In post 9294, Nev and Max wrote:
No you won't.In post 9291, PenguinPower wrote:No. Dave needs to have an opportunity to claim results.
Also, I'm likely dead tonight so...I'm going to decide if I want to say anything else and we can do this tomorrow.
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Jingle has posted a few times. Thanos hasn't.In post 9303, Nev and Max wrote:
Be dead. At least not necessarily. We have slots that could die before yours. And we had a hunch that the kill was going to have to down with us on some level so we decided to holster since drew told us to go on you, but you are scum reading us. Scum wouldn't take you out because you're doing their job for them. Creature was set to clear us, and we could use our save on him because of him being ascetic.In post 9298, PenguinPower wrote:
No I won't what?In post 9294, Nev and Max wrote:
No you won't.In post 9291, PenguinPower wrote:No. Dave needs to have an opportunity to claim results.
Also, I'm likely dead tonight so...I'm going to decide if I want to say anything else and we can do this tomorrow.
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Unless scum tracker X prob town, yeah. Pretty sure I already said that.In post 9557, Thanos wrote:Xtoxm already claimed he got it, and while it doesn't confirm him it makes him likely town. If he was scum and one of you three was town, there's a chance you might have correctly claimed to have gotten it; so as scum bluffing he's risking a 1v1.
Treat Xtoxm as probtown now.
Pedit: I agree not killing PP is a bad move, but they did do that. Can you quote the posts where they claimed to doc him and retracted it?This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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It's a mini now. start from scratch, using mechanical shit to narrow down.In post 9560, Thanos wrote:I'm kinda lost, thinking I shouldn't have signed up for a game this large. I hard townread DrewVa and decided I'd just sheep them, but then scum shot them so I'm motivated more now instead of replace out.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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The only real viable lynch is profii. I explained how the whole thing was a mechanical 1v1 days ago. The whole TLK mistook sticky fruit and normal fruit was already addressed: both profii and pp clarified it with him. A scum tracker in no way helps resolve the whole thing so profii wouldn’t be scum.
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First, lying EJ isn't necessarily scum EJ. It's frustrating but true.In post 9597, Thanos wrote:@Jingle: What's the deal with Jay? I think the universe where Jay is lying and is scum Ascetic/Commuter is more probable than an independent source stopping all of them, no?
Second, DrewVa's vig shot should have succeeded if the EJ failed actions were asceticism.
Third, 2/3 of the failed actions on EJ that are explainable via ascetic are also explainable via town.
Fourth, I doubt there is a scum commuter and a town commuter.
Fifth, claimed rolecop traitor result implies traitor or town.
Now, admittedly all of this is explained for EJ scum in two assumptions (can explain if not obvious), but I'm not interested in sorting that out until we finish massclaim.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Profii, I get it. It sucks to get lynched this way. Basically tho, a cop claimed a guilty on you and we lynched the cop first. The cop was faking the guilty is technically a possible explanation, but it's not one I'm going to entertain until I've satisfied every other potential avenue of inquiry.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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RCE's role is very limited use post massclaim. Even before massclaim it was mediocre.
Dave's role is unclaimed, but at best it is equivalent usefulness to PP. More likely, PP's role could be used to some effect the day after he was killed (like the result on Xtox) AND was fairly publically provable in the case of an innocent. Dave, on the other hand, could simply be roleblocked if he is in fact telling the truth. Creature is actually a more likely nightkill than dave.
Furthermore, PP was a fairly universal townread, meaning not only was he getting results, his results had more weight than the other two. There remains doubt that the other two are scum, so their results are due more scrutiny.
And yeah, PP was clear profii dies today given BEF flip. But he was hardly the only one saying so. The scum team killing to protect profii would be trying to bail out a battleship with a bucket full of holes. Cute, but ultimately completely worthless. If that was the goal they'd honestly have better luck killing me, because PP is far more likely than me to put reads over mechanics. If anyone thinks killing me was an even remotely viable choice last night, I've got this bridge I've been meaning to sell. Super cheap, I'll hand deliver the documentation.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Explain why the result isn't incriminating or you believe TLK was actively gamethrowing.In post 9610, Gamma Emerald wrote:I will have no part in lynching profiiThis is a Parachute.- Jingle
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The cop is an analogy, and the "it sucks to be lynched this way" is true regardless of your alignment. Whether you're scum or town it sucks to be lynched because you mechanically have to.
As far as the cop analogy, the cop bit here is:
TLK claimed to receive Sticky Fruit. Mechanically, you're the only person who could have given him sticky fruit, but you say you didn't. In order for you to be town, TLK had to lie despite having multiple people confirm with him that he didn't, BEF had to lie despite having multiple day phases alive while lying was provably only going to force both of you to be lynched while he was nominally townreading you, or Boon lied and there are additional variant roles in the setup.
And this isn't about lynch all liars. If there wasn't a scum motivation to the lie I wouldn't give a shit at all.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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Profii claims to have sent it to PP who didn't get it.In post 9625, Nero Cain wrote:So my question is why couldn't have TLK gotten fruit some other way. Who did Proffi and BEF actually send fruit to?
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In post 8574, PenguinPower wrote:So, D3 I asked TLK if he got my gift (not wanting to out what it was specifically because then he could have just said "Sure, I got a piece of fruit"), and when he was hesitating I thought he was trying to make up an educated guess. When he said he got sticky fruit (note: that is different from a regular piece of fruit; and, potentially also why profii made him verify it was "sticky fruit") I thought he was guessing since that was in the game and did not actually receive a piece of fruit from me. So...I thought he was scum.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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In post 4634, The Last Knight wrote:If that wasn't you, I didn't get any other notifications in my confessional other than receiving a sticky fruit.In post 5235, The Last Knight wrote:
If this was true and PP was trying to vig me last night, I'd be dead. Sticky fruit doesn't prevent death. Only everything else.In post 4953, mcqueen wrote:Are you crumbing that PP (well, ENG I guess) was the person you gifted the vig shot to N1?In post 5603, The Last Knight wrote:
I received a sticky fruit on N2.In post 5309, profii wrote:TLk just to be absolutely right
Can you just double confirm you got astickyfruit please?
I received a sticky fruit on N2.
I agree. He totally seems iffy on the whole it was a sticky fruit bit. I can totally see how this is all a complete misunderstanding and TLK got regular fruit instead of sticky fruit. He never emphasized the stickiness of the fruit at all and comes across as very confused in the plethora of posts that took most of a dayphase leading up to his lynch. And also I'm the Queen of England.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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I pushed N&M as far as putting them into an 8 person PoE pool and then arguing against DrewVa's plan to lynch the uncc'd protective. I'm not particularly townreading them atm, but I do believe that they can wait til after massclaim to sort.In post 9632, Nero Cain wrote:I remember Jingle though it's possible that I could misremember. You do remember getting pushed right?
Massclaim is tomorrow because there's no reason it will change the whole "Profii gotta get lynched" business, and so it doesn't change what happens today at all. If we're not going to use the info, we shouldn't hand it to scum for no reason.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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There is no method of changing profii's target from PP to TLK that doesn't rely on there being a variant role. Per setup there is only one more variant role and it's been claimed by profii. There are two explanations that don't require profii to be lying long past any town player would have dropped the lie. 1. The mod is lying about the setup rules. 2. TLK was lying about having received sticky fruit.
Profii is arguing the latter, which is admirable. We still can't not lynch him.This is a Parachute. - Jingle
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