Open 750: Forest Fire (Game Over)

[Vedith]

Why would people not just sheep me and trust me?

[BuJaber]

VOTE: TTTT

-Just skating by on barely any game-related content in their posts
-Was on both wagons and is encouraging the lynch of a 3rd townie
-Was voting milk d1, then voted me for a while when I got more votes, then returned to milk for the L-1.
-no clear reason why he ever scumread me this game

Other competitors:
Sir Persivul:
-Suspicious reprimand on the hammerer day 1 in twilight. Could have said something earlier.
-posting in other games but not here
-backhanded FOSing on lovebird every so often but no push there

Lovebird:
-seems to pick and choose which discussions to offer an opinion on
-avoided both lynch wagons
-hasn't posted since day 1
-history of scum lurking in forest fire

[Vedith]

Am I town for you?

[themilkcartonkid]

Am I town for you?

this is a bad looking question imo

[Vedith]

this is a bad looking question imo

I don't care. I want the answer.

[themilkcartonkid]

This is going to be the biggest mass prod at this rate

[BuJaber]

Am I town for you?

I'm not sure but like you could be going after me as arso without getting any pushback from people but you didn't. Seems anti-scum to me.

[TTTT]

@Vedith
I caught scum!rb once in a Newbie game
when I replaced in to a stalled-out game where he was IC
I called him out for letting the game state devolve to that point as being anti-town
this was probably two years ago
so not sure if it would apply here
thoughts?

[TTTT]

not a newbie game
old meta
I know it's reachy just talk to me about it

[Lovebird]

Hi everyone. Doing some reviewing

[Lovebird]

VOTE: Slaxx

VOTE: slaxx

I’m really fucking confident on Buja-scum.

If I’m wrong I’m fine with the fact I gamethrew.

UNVOTE: Slaxx
Ill think more tomorrow as it's 5 30am

I think this is pretty towny from Vedith. Seems like a real thought, doesn't seem like scum unvotes.

[Lovebird]

I feel strongly that at least 1 is not a vocal player

<cough>Lovebird</cough>

You think I'm scummy, or you think you can just shade me for being busy?

You hammered me with no claim and you self voted d2 with no scum caught. Both of those are strictly anti town.

Anti-town, yes, but scummy? Everyone cries scum when someone hammers like that, but if lynched that person almost always flips town.

Anti-town, yes, but scummy? Everyone cries scum when someone hammers like that, but if lynched that person almost always flips town.

Actually re-reading the end of that day, that was horrible.

VOTE: slaxx

How did you change your mind so quickly? What changed rereading?

[Lovebird]

didn't really expect to rush the day tho did i

everyone complaining about lurkers when you end the day in less than 20% of its length, over a weekend no less - should feel dumb and bad

if i die, vedith/bujaber/persivul

lovebird i rly dunno, they lurk as either alignment so it's a gamble

if slaxx flips town we lynch buja tomorrow

Giving reads before thread is locked, towny.

[Lovebird]

Think about this. Scum are confident enough they don't need the vote advantage that they didn't ignite.
This could mean one or a combination of the following:
-all 3 primed players are alive, for a chance to win tonight if we mislynch a non-primed player
-they are confident they won't be lynched
-they primed slaxx before (doubtful)

Does this make sense? I thought scum are supposed to wait as long as they can to kill in this setup. And, I think it could be that slaxx got primed.

[Lovebird]

Why does rb's latest string of posts read townie to you milk?
He's been townreading love too early in the game then started to lessen that read.

He thought slaxx was town but didn't try to stop the lynch in any meaninful way. Just set me up as the fall guy when I was nowhere near hammering both day 1 snd day 2 wagon, and unlike most other voters actually continued to engage the people I'm voting.

How can you say he didn't try to stop the lynch, when rb wasn't really around before hammer yesterday?

[Lovebird]

I'd like to apologize for my lack of effort
this game deserves better dammit!
I'll check back in 48 hours so make sure someone is at L-1 for me
preferably Buj
thanks!

lol

Anyway, here's where my head's at
I think there's one scum in (BuJ, Vedith, LB) and one scum in (rb, 4Ts, Persi)
i.e. no more than one in each group

Why those groups?

Who are your townreads?

Well I think both Scum are in th you and Lovebird. Maybe TTTT at a push.
BuJ and Pers most likely town though

Was this the scumteam solve you had to wait to say from yesterday?

[Lovebird]

Okay. I think TTTT and rb are still town. So, there's scum in Bu, Vedith, Persivul, TTTT. Though, I also lean TTTT town.

I think, if Bu is scum, his buddy is bussing him. He's been suspected since Day 1, so scum would have planned around it.

And, I think Persivul makes a lot of sense as scum that way.

[BuJaber]

Think about this. Scum are confident enough they don't need the vote advantage that they didn't ignite.
This could mean one or a combination of the following:
-all 3 primed players are alive, for a chance to win tonight if we mislynch a non-primed player
-they are confident they won't be lynched
-they primed slaxx before (doubtful)

Does this make sense? I thought scum are supposed to wait as long as they can to kill in this setup. And, I think it could be that slaxx got primed.

I explained in the post after it. This was when I thought this is day 4. It was based on calculations that scum would have primed 3 different people by now, but it's not relevant now because they only had 2 nights to prime.

I wish they primed slaxx. I highly doubt it. The arsonists are good enough to escape a lynch twice now, I doubt they're bad enough to prime slaxx. Slaxx was an easy lynch after I flipped town, so would have died even if I got lynched day 2.

Why does rb's latest string of posts read townie to you milk?
He's been townreading love too early in the game then started to lessen that read.

He thought slaxx was town but didn't try to stop the lynch in any meaninful way. Just set me up as the fall guy when I was nowhere near hammering both day 1 snd day 2 wagon, and unlike most other voters actually continued to engage the people I'm voting.

How can you say he didn't try to stop the lynch, when rb wasn't really around before hammer yesterday?

How do we know he wasn't around?
It was a quick dayphase, sure, but there was plenty of time to post.

Pedit - so TT is town, but scum, but town?

[Lovebird]

So, Day 1 Persivul suspects Bu and wants him lynched.

Persivul I got mad because...

I. Don't. Care. Why. You're. Mad.

Long defense posts only make me more suspicious of you.

You're only at L-3.
If you're FF you get out of jail free.
If you're tree and you get lynched, you're still here, and you're conftown.

So why are you so defensive?

You seem afraid to me - more concerned with pressure on yourself than with actually pushing scum reads.

@buj: You sure don't sound like someone who doesn't care because they'll be a conftown stump. You sound bitter.

But then, Day 2, he doesn't even talk about reads at first. It's just random LAMIST comment, and shading me for being busy.

The initial flurry of votes is concerning. This isn't a blitz. Day 1 we lynched a tree who wasn't particularly scummy with plenty of time left on the clock. Can we slow it down a bit? The pace is benefiting scum, not town.

I feel strongly that at least 1 is not a vocal player

<cough>Lovebird</cough>

You hammered me with no claim and you self voted d2 with no scum caught. Both of those are strictly anti town.

Anti-town, yes, but scummy? Everyone cries scum when someone hammers like that, but if lynched that person almost always flips town.

And then randomly, he changes his mind and hops on Slaxx wagon.

Anti-town, yes, but scummy? Everyone cries scum when someone hammers like that, but if lynched that person almost always flips town.

Actually re-reading the end of that day, that was horrible.

VOTE: slaxx

Again I want to reiterate two things:
1. Lurkers should be pressured FIRST
2. the scum case on slaxx is not even mostly about the lolhammer. It's about the scummy 1v1, self vote, and wanting to throw the game over a 1v1.

Thinking about it more, the hammer was super bad. This is an open setup in which a FF claim and no CC makes a conftown. If he's tree, he risked costing us that advantage. It's doubtful he's FF himself. The implication of his self vote was that he wasn't concerned about being lynched, because he'd still be here as a stump.

[Lovebird]

So, I think that maybe plan was to bus Bujaber day 2, but Persivul saw that Slaxx was getting lynched instead of Bu like they thought, so he didn't have to. So, that's why he did the sudden 180.

[BuJaber]

So TTTT / lovebird is a thing now.

Lovebird if you're town you really should be suspicous of rb. How do you not question his townread of you? How would he know.

Though I agree about persivul. He's 2nd scummiest after TT.

[Lovebird]

How do we know he wasn't around?
It was a quick dayphase, sure, but there was plenty of time to post.

Pedit - so TT is town, but scum, but town?

How do you know he was? If you're saying it's scummy that he didn't stop something.

Oh, I meant to say Egix and rb..

[Lovebird]

Ah, I typed it badly.

[Slaxx]

Cool Pers/Buja I buy it

[Lovebird]

So TTTT / lovebird is a thing now.

Lovebird if you're town you really should be suspicous of rb. How do you not question his townread of you? How would he know.

Though I agree about persivul. He's 2nd scummiest after TT.

He townreads me?

I thought, he said he doesn't know.