Mini 2057: Year 2057 (Game Over)

[Hopkirk]

Haven't played forum mafia in 6 months due to work stuff. Played about 80 hours of irl mafia in that time so not fully out of practice. That being said it'd be really helpful if people would post pictures of their face whenever they post something suspicious? Recording yourself reading your posts works too.

I don’t think there’s anything scummy about that. They should be here eventually

Don't like the addition of "don't think there's anything scummy about that"

Is town so concerned with their actions being perceived as scummy, esp this early on over something so little?

Why did you choose to naked vote someone who hasn't posted yet as opposed to interacting with someone who has? It's true that they will be there eventually but you haven't given them anything to react to/produce content with

Not a fan of either of these posts.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: emperor

[Hopkirk]

Haven't played forum mafia in 6 months due to work stuff. Played about 80 hours of irl mafia in that time so not fully out of practice. That being said it'd be really helpful if people would post pictures of their face whenever they post something suspicious? Recording yourself reading your posts works too.

That requires people to admit their own posts are suspicious, which while I might do that if specifically asked I doubt many others would.

This is a shockingly good point. Can you record yourself reading it?

[Hopkirk]

That's like four people now who've called me or one of my posts scummy without actually voting for me

I don't ask questions because I didn't think of any. I don't think I'm good at questions to figure people out. I'm not in a rush. So, I'm fine with waiting to see things

Why do you think DDL was the best place to put your vote?

Voting you then would have affected the interaction. I like you well enough now.
Not an Emperor fan though as of P3

[Hopkirk]

76 deserves a vote and got two so no point talking about that.

How the hell do you get Lovebird is town from that

If Lovebird turns out to be scumbird then I will be very surprised.

Especially now since there are scumreads floating around and the vote isn't even pretending to be a scumread.

Can you give me reads on everyone in the game? It sounds like you form (strong sounding) reads from very little, so you must have a lean on most people by now.

How the hell do you get Lovebird is town from that

If Lovebird turns out to be scumbird then I will be very surprised.

Especially now since there are scumreads floating around and the vote isn't even pretending to be a scumread.

Scumreads floating around who, Lovebird?

Which vote?

DrDolittle and Emperor are the popular scumreads as of now. As for Lovebird's scumread, isn't that just Emperor?

Emperor's vote for Lovebird is the relevant vote.

Which votes do you think have scumreads attached? Looks like mostly RVS.
We know there's two wagons. Any specific votes on the wagons you dislike? How do you feel about the wagons?

[Hopkirk]

Love seems more okay by voting TL. Think that is less likely from scum whether TL is town or scum.
SSMB too. Don’t remember why. Same for Vedith maybe?
@Mary: what would you have considered to be a legitimate, not just ‘convenient’ reason for Dan to vote Emperor? The phrasing ‘convenient’ feels odd.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Gamma
I don't like Lich.

[Hopkirk]

@Mary: what would you have considered to be a legitimate, not just ‘convenient’ reason for Dan to vote Emperor? The phrasing ‘convenient’ feels odd.

I never voted for Emperor

*to dislike emperor

VOTE: Gamma
I don't like Lich.

Then why not vote lich jw

I want to develop a read on Gamma.

[Hopkirk]

'I have a scum lean on most of these people except dann he’s leanin town.'
Is that independent scumreads, or just because they voted you?

[Hopkirk]

I don't see #18 as that awkward

You prompted me to look at the timing of the post though, and Lich hops from the DDL wagon from an equal sized wagon on Emperor. I don't see the scum motivation behind doing that and possibly drawing attention to himself, unless DDL/Lich are buddies but I'm not sure that makes sense. Maybe it is just awkward town.

You've convinced me vedith

UNVOTE: Lich
VOTE: Hopkirk

I don't see how Hopkirk expects his vote to help him get a better read on Gamma when he asked Gamma no questions about his actions

I was expecting Gamma to acknowledge it since there's an obvious disconect between the two lines in my post.
Don't like that she didn't acknowledge it.

TL is still the lynch.

[Hopkirk]

TBH, I initially interpreted your post as you "don't like Lich as the lynch," because your post makes 0 sense otherwise.

What do you think about the fact that TL hopped equal strength wagons in #76 when he could have just stayed on DDL easily?

If you think TL is still the lynch, why don't you vote it? If you're still trying to get a read on Gamma, she's been around, interact with her.

Ah, I see how you could read it that way (though my previous post was me saying things I didn't like about Lich). The point is that it's odd to say I don't like someone then vote someone I haven't mentioned.
I am getting a read on Gamma based on it. One second while I quote some stuff.

[Hopkirk]

I have a pregame guilty on an unspecified player

I am going to allow the game to play out as normal for a few days to get some associatives from them then we'll Lynch them

I thank you all for your cooperation

I don’t know how I feel about this

waow
Not a fan of this reaction. Probably just surface distaste though idk, not something I'd push rn

Haven't played forum mafia in 6 months due to work stuff. Played about 80 hours of irl mafia in that time so not fully out of practice. That being said it'd be really helpful if people would post pictures of their face whenever they post something suspicious? Recording yourself reading your posts works too.

That requires people to admit their own posts are suspicious, which while I might do that if specifically asked I doubt many others would.

Gamma's tone felt odd.
-First one pretty noncommital. Other post around there- pushing lightly.
-Second one there sounds like she's treating what I was saying seriously (based on the second part saying she might do it implies that she thought about what she'd do there).
Wanted to see what kind of tone I got in response to my vote.

Maybe it's the roleplaying but Mary Saotome's play seems very agenda-driven.

If you believe this, why not vote for her?

Because I want to give her a chance to respond.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

\o/
Lets speed lynch this!

Is she at L-1? I’d prefer to hear from her again, I like people to have a chance

Are you for fucking real
I actually try to contribute to a game I'm in with Dannflor and I get turbowagoned Day 1. Fuck efforting I'll just coast as town from now on.

Doesn't acknowledge my vote.
Mentions she doesn't vote someone else because she wants them to have a chance to respond (I'd expect to hear her comment on my vote if this is legitimately a reason to delay voting, treats vote as very serious so pretty odd not to comment on a naked vote made after/while attacking someone else.
Angry tone about the 'turbowagon' is at odds with not mentioning my vote.
Process is ongoing, but I

am

getting reads/thoughts/questions out of the vote.

[Hopkirk]

Can't make proper post right now but I'm calling you Wolfy before it would be an omgus.

[Hopkirk]

Actually no you're against the obvious scum and I'm mixing you up with Mary.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: lich
Hammer for town points.

[Hopkirk]

That's an invitation btw.

[Hopkirk]

Mary or Gamma next?
VOTE: gamma

[Hopkirk]

TL was obviously scum. I clarified that I thought that early in the day when I said he was always going to be the lynch.

Gamma is a good partner.

I voted lich because I had a read on gamma then, lich was on scum, and the game was stalling.

Yumeko is an option
Notice I'm voting the guy I said gets towncred btw.

[Hopkirk]

225 I think is where I'm basically voting him so don't call it a switch.

[Hopkirk]

Maybe they felt sorry for you.
Or just upset how much towniness is going on.

[Hopkirk]

I think that I can make a six person townblock today and just call the game over

I only have 5.5.

[Hopkirk]

Mobile only until next Saturday due to business trip (in Surrey it so happens). Should be able to post, but only on mobile so not long/pretty similar to the rest of what I've posted so far tbh.

Lynch definitely between Gamma/Yum.

[Hopkirk]

TL was obviously scum. I clarified that I thought that early in the day when I said he was always going to be the lynch.

Gamma is a good partner.

I voted lich because I had a read on gamma then, lich was on scum, and the game was stalling.

Yumeko is an option
Notice I'm voting the guy I said gets towncred btw.

When was this ? I don’t recall. I thought you came around after everyone said he was obvi scum

That's when I voted him because earlier would waste the day.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Mary
L1 probably.

[Hopkirk]

I assumed that was a self hammer not L1 (not having read the recent votes)

Hey Gamma who are you scumreading.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Gamma

[Hopkirk]

Yumeko wagon happened while I was asleep. Would have joined it otherwise. Think I made it clear they were in my top two scum.

[Hopkirk]

I disliked gamma's early game as the tone was inconsistent enough that his posting as a whole looked fake. Didn't like interactions I had there either.
His reads progression on pretty much everyone is bad. Doesn't mention TL until he's about to be lynch then hammers without adding anything he dislikes himself. Ignoring the obvscum was big.
Push on obvtownbird follows then love dies. Started to push on the traitor that he doesn't follow up on, then doesn't follow up when it's a legit wagon. Hard townreads Mary then starts to change his mind/positions so that he could vote her when the wagon starts to build up.

[Hopkirk]

I still think it was an all town wagon excepting Gamma. Same as I thought D2. Mafia have been killing all us obvtown on that wagon which is sad.

[Hopkirk]

Emperor, Dannflor, DrDolittle, and Gamma all register as "potentially scum" to me.

Why Emperor? You have to justify it more than his RVS vote.

I looked at his ISO and his reason for his scumread doesn't hold up anymore.

Lovebird is still "potentially town" though.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This followed by nothing else on Gamma. Feels like pretty classic distancing.

[Hopkirk]

Why doesn't yumeko vote Gamma when there's dueling wagons between Gamma/TL? That's when we get TL deciding to vote gamma and yumeko having an oddly irrelevant vote.

[Hopkirk]

If Gamma flipped town then I'd look at DDL then Vedith in that order. Though I haven't read either of them in depth.

[Hopkirk]

@emp: what are your thoughts about the game state so far? what's your scum pool look like?

Im feel like hop is the last one. But I need to go thru some ISO’s I’ll have that done tomorrow so I’ll have more input by then. Something about Hop feels really off to me tho

Maybe it's to do with me deciding to exclusively phone post this game when I never normally phone post except for quick posts/votes.
Or catching so many scum so quickly.

If Gamma flipped town then I'd look at

DDL

then

Vedith

in that order. Though I haven't read either of them in depth.

What’s scummy about either of these two?


That you have read

Those are people I don't have a townread on. Couldn't point you to specific stuff since it's a case of 'has not noticeably pinged as town's rather than 'has pinged as scum'.

[Hopkirk]

That sounds pretty towny if it happened which I assume it did.
What I'm saying is that we lynch Gamma today then I'll actually read what Vedith/other people have posted if I really need to.

[Hopkirk]

Which I shouldn't

[Hopkirk]

Confirmation bias.

[Hopkirk]

Right now I'd say DDL but I should reread. Won't be around to in the next few days du to food poisoning.

[Hopkirk]

I think Hop is scum number 2. We need to pressure him for his Gamma read today because he claims consistently throughout D1 that Lich should be lynched and instead votes Gamma, saying it's to gather a read. He says the process is ongoing but that he's still working on it, then all of a sudden he comes in and votes TL when he hits L-2, which looks like scum that wasn't yet committed to the bus finally going for it. He offers towncred to anyone who hammers and I think it's scummy to publicly offer towncred ever

Better now. Was better yesterday actually but had to catch up with some other stuff.

DDL is mainly scum by POE. Could still see other people as scum since I haven't been super into this game.
Reading DDL's iso I'm not seeing what anyone is liking there. Mostly just seems null/under the radar stuff.

Day one he doesn't interact with TL at all. He doesn't interact with or mention me either. Day two he pushes me based on when/how I pushed TL d1. DDL had no issues with this day one, or if he did he didn't mention them. 509 reads like a case that he's made by going through everybody on the wagon and looking for anyone he can say is bussing.

DDL's case in 509 doesn't include any effort to engage with me. He doesn't ask me any questions about my d1 Gamma/TL read. Instead, 509 is just statements about my play, without analysis or questions. At this point, DDL hadn't mentioned me at all or made any attempt to engage. In that context it just feels like he's pushing someone he thinks he can push rather than actually trying to develop a read. He also doesn't engage with me after that, but to be fair I'm not sure I engaged with him about it either.

On 509 briefly, DDL is right right I don't say TL is obvscum early- which I didn't since I was asking TL questions and people don't usually respond as well to questions when you start of by calling them obvscum. I don't see a problem with my vote, the wagon was stalling and there were competing wagons at the time.

If my Gamma scumread was so bad and DDL's Hopkirk scumread was as solid as he made out then I really don't get his vote on Gamma yesterday. DDL has no read progression on Gamma and his Gamma vote yesterday doesn't make sense as town. It does make sense as scum who wanted the free lynch that he could blame me for (since I was pushing Gamma all game), then use for the easy Hopkirk lynch today.

[Hopkirk]

Key thing really - his progression on Gamma and me isn't consistent and feels like he's just pushing for whatever lynches he can get.

Xwing is obvtown still.
Chenn can still be scum.

[Hopkirk]

Everything I said could be equally explained by boredom/playstyle, true.

Vedith is doing a lot of positioning that rubs me a little the wrong way but nothing jumps out as super scum. Worth reading more closely though.


@Vedith: What's your read on Chen, 851/2 sound like they're saying he's your top scumread and he's a townread. Thinking one of those is poor phrasing.

Chen has said dodgy stuff but I've tunnelled enough new players for similar stuff before.

[Hopkirk]

DDL can be scum playing opportunistic to reach endgame.
Vedith can be scum playing safe/positioning to win the endgame.
Chen is most likely town of the three.