Anime U-Pick: King Size [SEASON FINALE...?]

[Pink Ball]

Killing a bunch of players who can read A50 could be achieved by a player who wants to frame A50 while he can't post and vote in the main thread.

[Near x Mello]

Simple. He killed several players who are very capable of reading him, that's how.

You can make this argument for everyone

[Pink Ball]

Also, Joan, I'm going to step in here too about the whole "Ankamius is a good player and she was scumreading A50" and post her last readlist that she put in our thread:

{Ankamius}
{mastina, NearxMello, Severa}
{Chito and Yuuri}
{Joan of Arc, ooba}
{Elena Fisher, Gamma Emerald, Reasonably Psychotic}
{Dunnstral, Pink Ball, Torque}
{Almost50, singletonking, Toogeloo}

She commented way much more about me and Torque being scummy; she said Toog had to die as soon as possible; and maybe the worst of it, she was scumreading singletonking who was obvtown after calling out Vedith for claiming an Anime that aired on 2007. I told Ankamius a bunch of times in our thread that it was obvious that she didn't read the main thread, and even if she has a solid record replacing in games and having good reads, there are things you clearly miss if you don't read the whole game. It's a double edge sword. And having mastina as top town and A50 as top scum makes me believe she was killed for being wrong rather than for being right.

[Pink Ball]

Oh also, if you're going to sheep Ank about her reads, stop scumreading Wisdom then. You can't nitpick whatever suits what you want to do.

[Joan of Arc]

Let me ask you a question in turn. Why is he 100 % town to you? Why can't he be scum at all?

Because the only way you could be 100% sure he is town without any doubt whatsoever is if you know he is town because you're scum and know he isn't your partner.

So how about it?

P-edit:
And this is where your hypocrisy comes in

You insisted for the whole game that Severa is scum. He wasn't.
You insisted for the whole game that SN is town. He wasn't.

So by your own logic, your reads shouldn't be treated as gospel either, and you insisting they should be is the whole reason I am mad with you and didn't want to play with you.

[Joan of Arc]

Oh also, if you're going to sheep Ank about her reads, stop scumreading Wisdom then. You can't nitpick whatever suits what you want to do.

Except that I am not. If I were, I wouldn't be arguing with him like this.

[Near x Mello]

I am not certain he is town and i dont want anyone to treat my reads as gospel

This is circular arguing and the reason i dont want to talk or play with you

You dont have actual reads, you just sheep people and attack playstyles

Make a single actual argument for almost scum, elena town or mastina town and ill respond to you. Until then youre back in ignore

[Near x Mello]

You insisted for the whole game that SN is town. He wasn't.

oh and this is incorrect. I scumread robert and ooba all game.

[Joan of Arc]

I am not certain he is town and i dont want anyone to treat my reads as gospel

This is circular arguing and the reason i dont want to talk or play with you

You dont have actual reads, you just sheep people and attack playstyles

Make a single actual argument for almost scum, elena town or mastina town and ill respond to you. Until then youre back in ignore

If you don't want to play with me, then get out.

I would do so myself, but I am rather attached to my current flavor.

[Joan of Arc]

I am not certain he is town and i dont want anyone to treat my reads as gospel

If you're not certain in your reads, then maybe that's a sign you need to reconsider. That's all.

[Joan of Arc]

Also, Joan, I'm going to step in here too about the whole "Ankamius is a good player and she was scumreading A50" and post her last readlist that she put in our thread:

{Ankamius}
{mastina, NearxMello, Severa}
{Chito and Yuuri}
{Joan of Arc, ooba}
{Elena Fisher, Gamma Emerald, Reasonably Psychotic}
{Dunnstral, Pink Ball, Torque}
{Almost50, singletonking, Toogeloo}

She commented way much more about me and Torque being scummy; she said Toog had to die as soon as possible; and maybe the worst of it, she was scumreading singletonking who was obvtown after calling out Vedith for claiming an Anime that aired on 2007. I told Ankamius a bunch of times in our thread that it was obvious that she didn't read the main thread, and even if she has a solid record replacing in games and having good reads, there are things you clearly miss if you don't read the whole game. It's a double edge sword. And having mastina as top town and A50 as top scum makes me believe she was killed for being wrong rather than for being right.

mastina is also a good player and was here the whole game, and she also scumreads him, so.......

[Joan of Arc]

Plus, Wisomd thinks he is somehow better than anyone else here - yourself included - and that we should bow down before him. Why are you encouraging that kind of attitude?

[Elena Fisher]

Will get to this tomorrow thank you.

[Tatsuya Kaname]

Votecount 3.4

Almost50(2)

~ mastina(28), Dunnstral(34)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ Chito and Yuuri(4)

Elena Fisher(1)

~ Near x Mello(43)

Reasonably Psychotic(1)

~ Gamma Emerald(21)

Near x Mello(1)

~ Torque(23)


Not Voting (5): Joan of Arc(46), Elena Fisher(9), Reasonably Psychotic(42), Almost50(0), Pink Ball(15)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-13 22:00:00)

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[mastina]

if you have any arguments mastina or elena are town im listening

Okay.
I was one of the strongest contributors to getting Vedith lynched D1.
I was one of the strongest proponents for lynching Robert/ooba/SuperfluousNinja. My neighborhood can confirm that I wanted to switch my vote there to the slot D2, and had Spike/Jet not been hammered when they were, I would've switched over.

And today, SuperfluousNinja was hard-tilted because of MY push on him. He freaked out because of MY push on him. I voted him, I was smug about it, and he flipped out because of it--so unless you think he flipped out because I bussed my scumbuddy, after having already bussed a previous scumbuddy. So unless you think that I double-bussed. Unless you think there is another interpretation for SuperfluousNinja's immense freakout.

I am town.

Ank may be good but she was in the thread for like 5 days and was not privy to today's flips, including Toogeloo who might have adjusted her PoE.

Her scumread on Almost50 existed separately from her scumreads elsewhere.

Thus, the flips may have adjusted her other reads, but wouldn't have adjusted her Almost50 read.

Also, no town player is going to have perfect reads, but that doesn't mean you ignore their reads because of the ones which were wrong.

Severa also literally said he just did not read Elena, so it's not like Severa was arguing A50 was scummier than Elena (at least not in this thread, lmk if he posted some night time reads list before he died).

Him ignoring Elena doesn't mean he ignored Almost50; him ignoring Elena doesn't affect how he scumread Almost50.

[Torque]

A50 thinks the wolves are between Dunnstral/Elena/Mastina

Don't ask me how I know

[mastina]

mastina, I asked you about Booneytoonz IX because of this:

Hi I'm a mason with Clemency.
VOTE: Joan of Arc.
Scum!

How'd you miss the conversation where I said that was referencing the signup thread posts?

Mastina insisted for the whole game that Severa was scum.
Mastina insisted for the whole game that toog was scum.
Is this not enough to establish that even if shes town, her reads should not be treated as gospel?

I did not insist for the whole game Severa was scum--I dropped the push once Severa replaced in.
But, yes. I've made it clear before.
My townreads aren't going to have scum in them, but my scumreads ARE going to have town in them. My POE pool has ALWAYS been, the whole game, about twice the size of the scumteam; even if it were dead on the mark in nailing who the scumteam was, that'd still be a POE pool comprised half of town.

I have townreads on all but four players in the game.
There are two scum alive.
Ergo.
While two players in there are town.
Two are scum.

And there are DAMN fucking strong reasons suggesting Almost50 is one of them.

You said you dont have arguments for mastina or elena being town, therefore you cannot apply PoE.

Elena's IN the POE. I'm not because it is stupendously self-evident that I'm not scum because again.
I'd be double-bussing here.
Me, the girl who wrote the Stop Bussing! article.
Double-bussing.
And not in the way I normally bus, either.

Yes, I can do anything as scum, so I CAN do that as scum--I just wouldn't.
And even if I would--still doesn't explain SuperfluousNinja's freakout on my push on him.

How does night kill analysis point to Almost being scum in your opinion?

Because Drixx died; Ankamius died. Both had other reasons to die and Almost50 isn't going to kill someone JUST because they scumread him...but they both scumread him.

[Near x Mello]

I was one of the strongest contributors to getting Vedith lynched D1.
I was one of the strongest proponents for lynching Robert/ooba/SuperfluousNinja

Bullshit. You voted vedith very reluctantly and said you dont think hes flipping scum. You had a ton of other scumreads above Robert at all times and only pushed hik when everyone wanted to push him.

Whoever doesn't see youre scum here needs glasses

[Near x Mello]

and more bullshit im not going to answer to

mastina needs rope.

[Torque]

This is legit just a fight between channels I feel like

Mastina doesn't need to change her read on Reasonably Psychotic as a wolf, unless they're wolfing together. There are so many signs that the slot is mislynchable
Yet the pool y'all are pushing is Mastina/Elena

[mastina]

Killing a bunch of players who can read A50 could be achieved by a player who wants to frame A50 while he can't post and vote in the main thread.

Sorry, but nobody does frame-kills.

Literally nobody.

Frame kills are moronic; wrong-town can do a better job of pushing through a mislynch while ALIVE than while dead.

Which, as scum, is better?

Wrong-town pushing through a mislynch while scum take the back seat, setting the town player up for self-discrediting (and by extent, allowing scum to better/more easily influence the gamestate)...

...OR.

Wrong-town being nightkilled, and scum pushing through their preferred mislynch, ending up putting themselves in the spotlight and discrediting themselves, making it harder for themselves to influence the gamestate?

Ten times out of ten, the former is more effective than the latter. The latter forces the scum to expose themselves; the latter forces the scum to push the narrative; the latter forces the scum to risk self-discrediting themselves; the latter risks putting the scum in a position where they can't stop their own mislynch.

Whereas the former only cements their favorable position in the town.

So no.

Scum don't frame kill. Because they know frame-killing is stupid and counter-productive. Frame-killing long-term loses them the game, because they kill the wrong town leaving the right town alive to push them.

she said Toog had to die as soon as possible; and maybe the worst of it, she was scumreading singletonking who was obvtown after calling out Vedith for claiming an Anime that aired on 2007.

Hey, guess what.
I said those same things about Toogeloo, and even better--I accused singletonking of having TMI in our neighborhood; the way he handled end of D2 was incredibly sketchy-as-fuck. (Granted, I still thought him town, but I warned him in there, "I would sooner lynch you for TMI than I would Chito/Yuuri", who he was accusing of having bad end-of-D2 interactions. THE POINT BEING. There was good reason to see him as scum, even if there were better reasons to see him as town.)

I scumread robert and ooba all game.

Sure, but when push came to shove, did you vote SuperfluousNinja?

...Yeah I thought not. In fact, quite the opposite--you called me scum for pushing it; you called Reasonably Psychotic scum for pushing it. Don't pretend you didn't, because it's right there in your posts, big gigantic "I'M NOT LYNCHING SUPERFLUOUSNINJA BECAUSE HE'S NOT SCUM; THE PEOPLE PUSHING HIM ARE" neon signs like this one, among many others:

this lynch is stupid
theres no way both mastina and rp are town and theyre both content lynching this

The lynch was NOT stupid, given it was. Yaknow. A lynch on fucking scum.

A50 thinks the wolves are between Dunnstral/Elena/Mastina

And he's 0 for 3 in there because beyond this being stupendously self-evidently Dunnstral's towngame, he was THE hardest pusher of SuperfluousNinja's slot being scum across the whole game, and I am town, and frankly Elena's not scum here, either.

[Near x Mello]

This is legit just a fight between channels I feel like

Mastina doesn't need to change her read on Reasonably Psychotic as a wolf, unless they're wolfing together. There are so many signs that the slot is mislynchable
Yet the pool y'all are pushing is Mastina/Elena

thats a silly reason to townread mastina really

[Near x Mello]

Sure, but when push came to shove, did you vote SuperfluousNinja?

...Yeah I thought not. In fact, quite the opposite--you called me scum for pushing it; you called Reasonably Psychotic scum for pushing it. Don't pretend you didn't, because it's right there in your posts, big gigantic "I'M NOT LYNCHING SUPERFLUOUSNINJA BECAUSE HE'S NOT SCUM; THE PEOPLE PUSHING HIM ARE" neon signs like this one, among many others:

Yeah and ill end up being right on it feeling like scum pushed it as you are scum

[Torque]

I have a track record for having right reads for "dumb" reasons so I'll stick with those thank you

[Near x Mello]

and frankly Elena's not scum here, either.

I love how you just call her town all game without having explained why she is town once

Town you would be all over her due to poe if nothing else

But naahh