Open 749 | Vengecop - Over!

[Dannflor]

Sorry I missed you xwing, been really busy lately.

I do want an answer to Dr Worm's question when you return though. I might agree with your read, but not following your train of thought or why you felt the need to voice that read specifically

[Dannflor]

VOTE: xwing

hi how are you reading people + elaborate on xwing?

I have a really hard time seeing a junko/xwing team

[Draco Lucky]

I’m leaning Dann and U2 is leaning Xwing.

When I have desktop tomorrow I’ll review. We just need two townreads we can agree on and we win.

[BBmolla]

Spoiler: wall ahead

not sure what to think of dann's 809..i dont recall him writing big-ass walls like these on multiple people but maybe my memory is wrong..first thought i would say it's townie for me..i dont really disagree on the major points he has presented..

im honestly annoyed with his waffling on me that's making his PoE unnecessarily harder for him..i feel like i've always bared my soul in my games so this kinda feels a bit disappointing from my end..though admittedly this game im finding it hard to scum read people (aside from D1)..i mean i was the first on the OK wagon and never got off it, no one was even minding OK enough that time to bother voting..and dann YOU followed ME into THAT vote.. @_@

anyway no one else before JC concluded bb is scummy for their own reasons..im not going to convince anyone if he doesnt post much anyway and majority of you have him as town..i already detailed how i scum hunt and he's in my PoE mainly because i cant get a strong read on him..i find i have a tendency to town read everyone, so i just lynch my weakest town reads and i find i usually have success with this..i might be wrong, but it's either bb or dr worm for me rn..

im gonna need more convincing for a jc/micc before i can consider that wagon..also, if majority of us were really doubting jc/micc, we should have gone for micc/JC BEFORE vedith and have mic/JC investigate someone else..i already expressed that vedith is townie based on our 1v1..i feel we semi-wasted a lynch, saving grace was the PP investigate..

im okay on a dr worm wagon..i can see how the reaction test and hammer vote could be from scum..i pegged him town mostly because of his one post that seemed super duper townie..

im not joining a draco/dann wagon for now..i feel both of them should be easy town reads for me, not sure why i cant confidently strong read them this game..i believe they are town right now..

TLDR:
im slightly annoyed at dann but think he's town (not personal, just in game..)
im slightly butt hurt at dann's susp, but im town.. (not your fault dann, we're good..)
draco seems town, but i cant get a confident enough of a read to call it strong..
i believe it could be bb/dr worm scum team.. (dont ask for assoc, i dont know, i dont hunt like this)..
JC at worst is null..i'll lynch her after bb/dr worm..

call it a vanity vote or whatever, if there's no good case against someone else that can convince me, my vote is still gonna be here..
VOTE: bbmolla

His JC read is horrendous and I’m blatant lynchbait

[BBmolla]

But let’s talk about it homies, where do you all stand and why

[Dannflor]

My main problem with xwing is that I feel like I've made a pretty good case for town!Molla and yet they're still voting there over like Dr Worm, their other sus slot. I guess it also doesn't feel like xwing is really trying to actively sort those slots, despite having a lot of weak reads.

However, the associations from Junko's side read purposeful, to the point where it looked like she was just trying to frame xwing

[Dannflor]

I’m leaning Dann and U2 is leaning Xwing.

When I have desktop tomorrow I’ll review. We just need two townreads we can agree on and we win.

Why are you guys still this divisive when Slaxx apparently has a very strong xwing read? Have you guys had a chance to discuss these with each other at all?

[Dannflor]

Also, I feel best about Molla town right now tbh

I would nominate him for the pool of "two townreads we can all agree on" - except ig xwing kinda puts a damper on that

[Dannflor]

DR WORM"S HEART says XWANG is town but then NOT SURE who is BAD with JANKO!!

Are you leaning anywhere now for a partner now that you've had time to think about it?

JANKO ARE YOU STILL HERE TO TALK TO DR WORM??

What did you want to ask Junko about before she flipped?

[Dannflor]

Might be worthwhile to do some more VCA, so I'll try and get on that if I get the time/energy later tonight. I know it has been done to death, but with two scum flips now we have a ton of information to work with potentially

[northsidegal]

Votecount 4.1

Target	Wagon
xwing (1)	BBMolla (971)
Not Voting (4)	xwing, Dr Worm, Dannflor, Draco Lucky

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-10 18:35:59).

Mod Notes:

xwing is V/LA on weekends.

[Draco Lucky]

I don't know where Slaxx is, but I'll get to this game in the morning

I'm wavering on my read atm

Dann, did you end up doing any VCA?

-U2

[xwing]

but it seems bb is town after all..

WHY is BBMOOLA seem is TOWN after all??

he's been consistent in pushing for micc/JC since d1..and they did turn out to be scum..
also, his vote is consistent with who he finds scummy, and right now it's me..

scum knows i would be an easy mislynch, but dann's actually defending me..and worm has me as town so far..not sure what to think of that..the ones who are scum reading me seem to be the townie ones..

[xwing]

My main problem with xwing is that I feel like I've made a pretty good case for town!Molla and yet they're still voting there over like Dr Worm, their other sus slot. I guess it also doesn't feel like xwing is really trying to actively sort those slots, despite having a lot of weak reads.

However, the associations from Junko's side read purposeful, to the point where it looked like she was just trying to frame xwing

i agree you did a case on bb, but i didnt find it convincing enough..
i voted bb over worm because i had worm with a weeeeee bit more town points than bb..
worm was my next target after him, then JC..

[Draco Lucky]

Okay, so the last time I talked with Slaxx our reads looked like this

Slaxx
Scum in Xwing, Dann, BBmolla
Most likely last scum Dann
Most likely town Dr Worm

U2
Scum in Xwing, Dann, Dr. Worm
Most likely last scum Xwing
Most likely town BBmolla

Now I'm more like
Scum in Xwing, Dann, Dr. Worm
Most likely last scum Dr. Worm
Most likely town BBmolla

We both had town read dr worm for the interaction with micc during d1 twilight and for JC's vote on Dr. Worm D3

But in retrospect, if I'm JC coming into a game as the most likely lynch, I think I vote my partner as often as not for wifom?
And the Dr. Worm/micc interaction is not clearing, neither is micc saying there was probably a bus in the back half (but probably not from dr. worm)
Further, a dr worm + micc pairing makes more sense than either Dann or Junko when you consider Micc's attempts to divert the wagon off of OK D1. It was a pretty blatant attempt in retrospect - it got his slot lynched eventually - and it doesn't make sense to me to go at it like that after a partner has initiated the push. This is def the case for Dann, who made a passionate push for OK's lynch, but also true for xwing to a lesser extent.

Also, I think the problem with our Dann/xwing reads are this. All game we have been going back and forth on their alignments because there is a good amount of stuff that pings as town from these slots, and a good amount of stuff that pings scum. And I think this is probably indicative of us being wrong about both.

I don't want to place a vote before talking with Slaxx if I can help it because this is not the consensus we had come to prior to the day beginning.

[Draco Lucky]

-U2

[Draco Lucky]

JUNKACHON thinkgs DR WORM is HANG LOW FRUIT but DR WORM is GETTING BETTER at MAFIA!!

DR WORM HAMMERED SCUM DAY ONE!!

DR WORM not so GREAT day two..

JUNKACHON is SCUM in my HEART and my MIND!!

VOTE: JUNKACHON!!

Also, Dr. Worm just ignores the micc wagon all through D2, and then is like "yup, ,that's scum" as soon as they vote him.

This feels like a strategic bus more than an organic change in read, but who can really tell with this style

[xwing]

Now I'm more like
Scum in Xwing, Dann, Dr. Worm
Most likely last scum Dr. Worm

this is my scum pool..
of course i know im town though so i got a lesser pool, but i agree my JC defense and bb push was scummy..
has anyone played with scum!dann before?
lastly, i dont want to vote until everyone has come in and said their piece..

[u r a person 2]

I’m leaning Dann and U2 is leaning Xwing.

When I have desktop tomorrow I’ll review. We just need two townreads we can agree on and we win.

Why are you guys still this divisive when Slaxx apparently has a very strong xwing read? Have you guys had a chance to discuss these with each other at all?

I mean, I think both of us are continually reevaluating. Slaxx thinks xwing is the second most likely slot to be scum.

[u r a person 2]

@dann what are your thoughts on Dr. Worm?

[northsidegal]

Prodding Dr Worm.

[Draco Lucky]

I’m leaning Dann and U2 is leaning Xwing.

When I have desktop tomorrow I’ll review. We just need two townreads we can agree on and we win.

Why are you guys still this divisive when Slaxx apparently has a very strong xwing read? Have you guys had a chance to discuss these with each other at all?

I mean, I think both of us are continually reevaluating. Slaxx thinks xwing is the second most likely slot to be scum.

@dann what are your thoughts on Dr. Worm?

[Dr Worm]

DR WORM IS HERE!! SORRY FOR PROD!!

[Dr Worm]

XWANG still TROWN IN MY HEART!!

LAST SCUM COULD BE ANYBIDY ELSE!!

[Dr Worm]

DRACO WAS TROWN in my MIND but LESS CERTAINN NOW!!