Anime U-Pick: King Size [SEASON FINALE...?]

[Near x Mello]

a very likely lynch target youre afraid of pushing
its still better to showcase wisdom as the crazy townie

[Elena Fisher]

I know you're going to post something like: 'I don't need to talk to scum you.' But you know regardless if I'm scum or not I'm correct in saying whatever you're doing right now isn't working. It won't work now, later, or anytime soon. So, if you really want to try and be helpful and prove that me and mastina are scum. You know what to do.
Pedit: When have I ever in the history of any mafia game been afraid as scum? You won't find a single case. If I pushed and got you lynched no one would care. No one would be blamed not mastina or me. Pretty simple

[Near x Mello]

i dont care if what im doing works
i care ive caught scum
if people dont listen its their fault

[Elena Fisher]

Yet you can't provade a single reason on why those people are scum. Probably because the reasoning doesn't exist and you can't read my slot. That's fine, not many people can. You're just another person added to the mix. You care about catching scum and yet who have you caught? Certainly not me or mastina given we're both town and a lot of people agree with that statement.
If you really don't care anymore go hide in your hood and let the others play mafia. Thank you.

[Near x Mello]

ive provided tons of reasons
people just don't pay attention
Everytime i talk to scum i show their scum motivation

[Elena Fisher]

ive provided tons of reasons

AS IF ELENA DOESNT KNOW I NEVER GIVE REASONING!

Pick one.

[Near x Mello]

go hide in your hood

if you want to silence me you have to kill me. Otherwise my voice will continue being heard, whether its listened to or not.

[Near x Mello]

ive provided tons of reasons

AS IF ELENA DOESNT KNOW I NEVER GIVE REASONING!

Pick one.

yet another reason youre scum
You know perfectly well what i mean, yet you present it like this to discredit me.

[Elena Fisher]

Alright, I got what I wanted out of this conversation. Apologizes if I provoked you too much. I needed to test your reactions a little. Have a good day I'll be going back into my hood now and talking reads. Not that you really care I assume because you think I'm scum and all that.
VOTE: Almost 50
Ta ta Wisdom was fun as always.

[Near x Mello]

of course you got what you wanted
i look more like a fool and you got more cred
but i dont even care anymore

[mastina]

have fun throwing

Yep, sure have fun with your game throwing because that is EXACTLY what you're doing right now.

I know I am town.

I know that you are refusing to push actual scum because of your fucking ego thinking that I am scum in spite of objective facts that show why that isn't the case.

Because fragile little Wisdom.
Can't confess.
That maybe.
Just MAYBE.

I am actually fucking town here.

how fucking hard is it for people to detect manipulation

People can detect manipulation just fine.

You're just seeing it where none exists and everyone else knows it, so.

How can you read mastina claiming she pushed vedith and go "oh, ok, shes right" WHEN SHE DID NOT PUSH VEDITH ONE BIT?

And you put words in my mouth I didn't say.

I never said I pushed Vedith.

I said I contributed majorly to his lynch--I did.

I pounded in that his flavor claim couldn't be true, while also bringing up points (admittedly mostly in the neighborhood PT) about him painting mastina-Pink Ball as TvT being for cheap towncred. I said he was the best chance for getting a scum flip on D1 (this is very public). Just because I didn't push doesn't mean I didn't contribute; my contribution was vital to that lynch.

[Near x Mello]

yeah when vedith was already doomed
you sure contributed

[Near x Mello]

btw for those of you who let mastina lead you by the nose with posts like this:

How does night kill analysis point to Almost being scum in your opinion?

Because Drixx died; Ankamius died. Both had other reasons to die and Almost50 isn't going to kill someone JUST because they scumread him...but they both scumread him.

lets actually remember who drixx scumread and wanted lynched, shall we?

I would prefer Martina but that’s not gonna till I don’t think so...

VOTE: Vedith

Who but me is seriously going to push Mastina? Once I flip then Vedith gets roped I think. QED I would prefer what I view as the more difficult and dangerous slot.

[Near x Mello]

Or maybe you prefer posts like these:

I was one of the strongest contributors to getting Vedith lynched D1.

Let's look at the contribution:

Super Smash Bros. Fan/Vedith
Near x Mello
Asking for a friend/Pink Ball
Toogeloo
Reasonably Psychotic

Btw, for some clarity on my feelings there.

Yeah I know my reads aren't great.

But I still feel there's a minimum of one scum in here--and actually feel it's at least two. It could be as high as three.

I'd be flabbergasted if I got four (I'm never that good), but this would be an

incredibly

off game if there wasn't at least one in there.

Reasonably Psychotic and Toogeloo are the strongest two, so my best bet, though honestly Near x Mello might be my third-strongest there.

Vedith is, by far, the weakest, in that while I didn't think SSBF's content was good, I lack the meta familiarity to give context for his play, and Vedith here is harder to read but vaguely gives off some :goodvibes: overall. He's a compromise read more than anything else.

Chito: Mastina-chan you should join us on Vedith-kun

mastina, since you're scumreading Vedith and Pink Ball, why aren't you voting either?

You apparently didn't read right if you thought I was scumreading Vedith.

Vedith is, by far, the weakest, in that while I didn't think SSBF's content was good, I lack the meta familiarity to give context for his play, and Vedith here is harder to read but vaguely gives off some :goodvibes: overall. He's a compromise read more than anything else.

Chito: Mastina, would you like to join our team and put your vote on Vedith?

Honestly my hopes aren't high that he'd be scum. Quite the opposite I kinda think he's town. I'll vote there to get a lynch, especially since we don't

need

to use every day on our deadline (it's a week away), but I just kinda feel like.
And my only reason to really vote Vedith is to get that lynch now, to end the day earlier rather than later.

So it's not that I won't join you, it's that I just would prefer not to.

(Still don't think Vedith's flipping scum, by the way. Just, think he's the lynch candidate who gave us the best chances of flipping scum.)

i.e. three posts that actively stall and try to get people to lynch people not Vedith.

And only AFTER Vedith scumclaims and dooms himself because the mod himself could confirm Vedith was lying there, mastina comes and posts this

His claim is from a 2007 show and i could be wrong but the sequel isnt after 2010 either

Also, if you recall:
Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size [FULL! PM TO REPLACEMENT/SPECTATE]

Question.

Note that any anime that is a sequel to those that aired before 2010 is not allowed (sorry Sailor Moon Crystal and UQ Holder fans).

Can I loophole abuse this with a prequel?

Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size [FULL! PM TO REPLACEMENT/SPECTATE]

Also question.
Is an anime that's a different adaption of the same source material eligible? That being, an older anime is for the material, but there's a new anime for the same source material which isn't picking up where the old one left off and is starting from scratch?

Subject: Anime U-Pick: King Size [FULL! PM TO REPLACEMENT/SPECTATE]

Question.

Note that any anime that is a sequel to those that aired before 2010 is not allowed (sorry Sailor Moon Crystal and UQ Holder fans).

Can I loophole abuse this with a prequel?

Prequel and sequel is merely the same thing.

Also question.
Is an anime that's a different adaption of the same source material eligible? That being, an older anime is for the material, but there's a new anime for the same source material which isn't picking up where the old one left off and is starting from scratch?

As long as myanimelist.net doesn't identify that as a sequel/prequel/whatever, then fine, you can use it.

This seems relevant.

and is now acting as if this^ somehow contributed to the Vedith lynch. Newsflash, Vedith made a claim that, once again, would be confirmed false BY THE MOD. Not to mention singleton and others having already picked up on this. Not to mention Drixx fucking counterclaimed doctor. All of these prior to this post.

And yet Mastina is acting as if she somehow gets credit for the Vedith lynch. What is this if not scum manipulation?

[Near x Mello]

whoever is listening to fl here should quit mafia

^

Or maybe youd like to look at this post where mastina encourages my tunnel on FL

And maybe think to yourself, even if mastina thought FL is scum, why the hell would she encourage such a toxic comment from Wisdom?

But I guess mastina only has issues with how I play when I'm scumreading her, am I right?

[Near x Mello]

lets tackle the almost "cases" now

Dunn: "I don't understand Almost's play in regards to the hoods so he must be scum."

Mastina: "Almost is scum because he said he would talk to Drixx on D4/D5 and Drixx died. Oh, and because he has Gamma associatives. Oh, and don't forget NKA, Drixx and Ank scumread him! What, Drixx actually scumread me and Ank was townreading Almost? Nonsense."

Elena: "I don't like his pushes and his logic."


...what's there to tackle? I feel silly for even bothering to do this.

[Pink Ball]

Yep.

The clocks run out, times up, over, blaow!

VOTE: mastina

[Near x Mello]

OK, so here's a declaration: I won't claim which channel(s) I'm in and won't be posting in them either for the time being. You should all be concerned I could read what you say in your channel(s) without you realizing I'm in it.

Spoiler:

Damn, I couldn't have come up with a scummier declaration. Couple that with my RVS vote on myself, and I should be considered the antichrist of the game by all other players already.

this post alone is almost being obvtown
but lets assume that you guys are not familiar and think scum almost would do this for some weird reason instead of, you know, just not posting at all and spy on all the hoods.

read his exchange with dunn, where hes playing off dunn's lack of awareness that scum dont have a daykill.
read his reaction to the supposed fl scumspew by ssbf - he instantly votes fl believing it was a spew, only to then realize it wasnt.
see how he's taken his multi channel role seriously and has attempted to use them to produce things. he even thought he was forced to reveal being in a hood because he would have a prod timer today, only to figure out there's no prod for him today.

and the list goes on and on. there are tons of reasons almost is town here.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Everyone See? His ego is so big that he refuses to re-evaluated in light of his misreads. Lynch him for the health of the gamestate

Is he scum tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Like it's massively concerning Joan is facing what NxM was doing and thinking there was little chance it could be scum, at least from what I observed of their approach

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

Chito: Ok. No. It's not just "mastina/elena" that is what two people are saying. I'm saying we need to look at GAMMA.

Hello all! Let’s mess the scum up shall we?

Scummy RVS entrance.

Hello all! Let’s mess the scum up shall we?

This game is remarkably shorter thanI would’ve expected lol

Scummy

I’d say you’re shit at reading me but you haven’t been Town with me in a while so I don’t know what the actual level is there

One of the few townie responses -- but compared to all the issues I have with this iso, this is not nearly enough for me.

Lame tryharding.

Scummy.

no you're not but nice try

I also find this worth filing away for later.

Scummy.

Hi I'm a mason with Clemency.
VOTE: Joan of Arc.
Scum!

Any particular reasons why?

Because you scumslipped, duh.

Where?

Considering I am town, there isn't any and there can't be any, so you are bluffing.

Yeah this person is scrambling it seems.
VOTE: Jaune Arc

Is this a real town reaction to Joan asking "where?" I don't think so. How does that make Joan "scrambling"?

and you claiming that with your scrambling makes you scummier, as why would you scramble like that if you were unlynchable?

This doesn't actually make sense although I'm not sure it's scummy but it's not a townie thought process either

Also SSBF proly town

This is a terrible position that Gamma later backpedals in the worst way after stalling

and anti-vaxxers say vaccines are bad, so what?

I think this is a town!Creature response

This is the second thing that Gamma says that actually strikes me as slightly townie -- so no, I'm not 100% sure Gamma is scum, and I feel like there's worth having a conversation here, but this is still not nearly enough to shake my read.

Gamma what of ssbf's catch up did you like lol i dont get it

In a sec

Scummy stalling.

Tbh I like SSBF's posting a lot less now. I think I just saw walls with seemingly thought out statements and townbinned it.

What's really important here is how this relates to the N&M backpedal later, in addition to this being a scummy backpedal on a townread of scum.

Mmm I feel like Morality is town but that'll be pending his return.

why would Morality's 'return' change his alignment?

Drixx wut are your reads rn?

VOTE: Drixx
post reads or die, that's where I'm at with you rn

half of those "reads" aren't conclusive. Clarify.

I have. No excuse for him to give wishy-washy looking garbage.

scummy

VOTE: Vedith mkay

0 reason to see this as not a bus

im not trying to lynch him but ill let that aside

why is he not fakeclaiming that role? why should i automatically believe him? do you think morality is not good enough scum to play like he has played?

~Near

First off, each time I asked that exact same question, people flipped me off, so why shouldn't I do the same to you?

Second of all, here

If you look at all my games since SU2, you'll see that I doubted the hell out of my hood-mates, every single time.

Oh, and this is the reason I usually make fluff posts, because every time I try to play seriously, people shut me out.

Feeling like Joan is town.

This isn't that bad on its own but it's worth pointing out that Gamma has flipped just about every single read this game, not just the scummy backpedal on Vedith, but basically every read flip flops nonstop.

I like Near's case on Robert rn

Like, this is not that long before the flip to voting Near.

holy fucking gross
just because I miscommunicate info I'm no longer town?
VOTE: Almost50, let's fucking jam my dude

I love your honesty. here's a reward:

UNVOTE:

That was a little easy. What if I was lying?

If you had said anything else I would have suspected you were lying. This is the one and only reason I thought might make sense for that vote.

A50 is town guys.

Just putting this flip in juxtaposition.

lol whatever VOTE: Robert

this is the second time you ignore me

VOTE: gamma

~Near

Okay, my apologies but I'm watching a VOD in the meantime and I'm trying to not miss awesome moments
As for my reads I suspect Robert as stated, I also am kinda waffling on Morality/flavor

0 reason to think this is not a bus

FL's points on Near look damn solid
VOTE: Near X Mello

this is an insane flip and tantamount to a scumclaim imo

I kinda wanna just vote FL now

reminder that morality has been townread throughout this game before now

I made my Hokage Naruto reference because I’m a character like that, and I’ll show you when I become Hokage.

That’s not my role, but it’s a solid parallel. I’ve already claimed in my channel. If you still want to push me, this is going to be an extremely over the top game. My channel and I have already pretty much nearly full claimed to each other. I can protect my channel and take out scum in the process.

I’m not going to say how, but I will take out a scum alongside me when my demise eventually comes.

This is town.

as such for context

MOD DECISION: SuperfluousNinja is being modkilled

for intentionally trying to communicate with another player through PM, being aware of abusing the rules. Their alignment will now be turned into a Neutral Survivor. Their Role PM before being modkilled is shown below. As there are no critical issues that would compromise the game, game now continues normally.

Spoiler: SuperfluousNinja's Role PM

ANIME U-PICK: KING SIZE

CHIBA ERIKA

Welcome,

Robert2424, ooba

SuperfluousNinja

, your role is

CHIBA ERIKA (Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei), sided with the Youtube Copystrikers!

!

WHAT YOU HAVE

• - You have your voice and vote, use them wisely and victory is yours.
  - You have [REDACTED] as your fellow Copystrikers. You all share a
  Factional PT
  where you can talk with your teammates during nights and pregame. Your Factional PT is locked during day phases.
  - You also have a
  factional kill
  power. Decide with your teammates and confirm in your PT;
  who is going to kill whom?
  . You may change decisions until the end of the night. You may choose to not kill.
  - You are invited to join 12312312121. Click on a channel name to access it.
  - As a trained daughter of the Chiba family, your physical abilities and speed are well beyond average. You try to use your speed to confuse others.
  {(UNLOCKED NIGHT 1)You may distract another player by targeting them each night. The target will be notified that someone targeted them, but not that you did. This action has no further effect.}
  
  -
  {(UNLOCKED NIGHT 2) If there is someone targeting you (if more than one, a random person), their action will fail and they will receive this message: "Whoosh, you're too slow, the target ran away".
  [/color]
  - ETHEREAL HIDDEN SWORD TECHNIQUE - KIRIKAGE!
  {(UNLOCKS NIGHT 3)With this honed skill, any nightkills made by you will become critical and cannot be saved by any healing roles. (I'm speaking about roles like Doctor)}.
  
  -
  REMEMBER THAT SOME OF YOUR ABILITIES ARE GREYED OUT AND WILL BE UNLOCKED WHEN THE GAME REACHES THE PHASE WRITTEN IN FRONT OF EACH LOCKED ABILITIES. AT THE END OF DAY 3, YOU MAY DECIDE TO DROP THIS ROLE PM AND REPLACE IT WITH A NEW ONE. MORE INFORMATION IN THE GAME THREAD.

HOW TO WIN

• -
  You win when at least half of the living players are YTCSs (Like 2 in 4) and no hostile neutrals (if any exist) are alive.

Good luck, y̙͔̽̓ͥ̈́o͇̖͈̹̹̦̹ͯ́ͧ̔́u̢͓͙̪̓'̗̜̼͎͆͢lͣ͐ͣ̓ͫ͏̶̙̞͇̖̗͍l̳̝̪̬̀͊ͭ̂͢ ̭͍̭̰͉́̾ͭ͊ͨ͒̚̕͢n͙̗̝̙̺̘͆͋̇͆ͧ̓ͦ̆͗́ê̴̱̦͎͇̄ͫ̋̀ͅe̵̼͙̗̣͔̞͂ͮ͑ͮ̿͜͝d̵͙̹̫͚̿͆̊̄̃ͨ̊ͤͤ͟ ̞̠̜̤̪̰͖̎̿͒̂́̀i̡͈̳͎͈͖͙̥ͦ͡t̴͙̭͉̘̠̬̥͊͐͛!̐̊ͦ͌ͫ̆ͫͧ́͠҉̟̥͈̻̙̱

waow

thats not scum indicative for me. I bus weak buddies

~Near

Can back this up and Clem should too

Well, I'm almost half way to being lynched. That's a pretty big thing to put onto one guy.
Now, I could have made it equal and voted Gamma, but that would make me as bad as the people voting me!

RED FLAGS RED FLAGS

Vedith entered the game as the largest wagon--he voted Pink Ball, the largest counterwagon, and avoided voting Gamma...with this bullshit excuse.

Try telling me with a straight face that his reason for not voting Gamma Emerald isn't absolute bullshit.

Are you trying to case me here? Cos it sounds like it.

this is exactly how I would see gamma responding to a scumbuddy being modkilled as scum.

I just read this iso, and the logical development *makes no sense whatsoever*

every position flips

every read changes at the drop of a hat

every vote on scum looks like a bus

there's like, two posts, I kinda like, out of the entire iso, but I wanna say those are pretty easily faked by scum Gamma.

This slot should go today.

Thankies.

oh wow piss off with this shit
You're trying to scu.paint my entire ISO and fail to respond to half of it? Maybe take a fucking step back.
And why the hell are you asserting my posts are faked? I have 0 recollection of playing with you Weiss (which iirc is the Cheeto head). So unless this is Akarin you just let a cat out of the bag.

[Gamma Emerald]

In fact all you can say for a lot of it is "scummy" or "scummy x"
That's not a case of any strength.

[Gamma Emerald]

He apparently thinks that there are tonal similarities to No Deadlines mafia

that was just an example. This is another instance of you assigning your own reasons to my reads.

Oh yeah on this, my distrust of NxM D2 was because I thought I was similar to No Deadlines and Wisdom had a solid reason to suspect me there until I flipped which ran into this game so if he's claiming tonal similarities why the fuck was there no suspicion earlier?

[Gamma Emerald]

that was just an example. This is another instance of you assigning your own reasons to my reads.

Chito: Dude you said "read no deadlines and tell me this isn't the same gamma here" and then I read no deadlines and told you this *isn't the same Gamma here*

If there's another game you want to point to where Gamma has *this level of inconsistency in reads* then you are welcome to point to it but until then maybe you need to consider the possibility that you're the one who is making faulty assumptions about Gamma's meta.

2 things, one which proves the other:
1: my read consistency is entirely caused by game comprehension. For a lot of the past few days I've been getting shit mixed up all over the place. That's not alignment indicative, that's engagement indicative. And here's why.
2: in recently completed scumgame Merchant's Daughter, I was under pressure consistently after a thread explosion but I kept my cool and formed reads, and while I was slow, I did not waver on them one bit. So if you

really

want to make comparisons between games then this evidence should make this my town game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yep.

The clocks run out, times up, over, blaow!

VOTE: mastina

Yeah uh what are your reads like again