Open 753: Nomination Mafia [Game Over!]


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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:33 am

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In post 283, scum reading wrote:Reason why they’re here is because elephant gave townreads way early on, several times if I’m not mistaken, overall town behavior.
This isn't townie for Irrel.
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:36 am

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Lol Shoshin you’ll have to show receipts on that one. Our last game I did the same thing (it didn’t work well, but it’s not insanity till it doesn’t work multiple times :P )
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:36 am

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In post 287, Auro wrote:Why the naked votes, sans explanation?
Is it Irre's excitement that makes you think he's scum?
If not, what is?
Naked votes test reactions differently than non-naked ones.

Irrel's excitement means he's scum, yes.

He's also scum for stoking RC's paranoia about me when he knows better.
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:37 am

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In post 294, GrandWazoo wrote:it's possible from their history that they don't like each other and that these exchanges would happen regardless of alignment.
You feel their exchange does imply a possible "bad history" between them, which is correct.
You believe these exchanges would then happen regardless of alignment.
Then why do you believe it can't be a TvT? If the exchanges were to happen regardless of alignment, it could very well be TvT, no?
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:38 am

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In post 301, Irrelephant11 wrote:Lol Shoshin you’ll have to show receipts on that one. Our last game I did the same thing (it didn’t work well, but it’s not insanity till it doesn’t work multiple times :P )
I didn't say it was scummy. I said it wasn't townie. Are you saying you don't do this as scum?
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:40 am

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In post 302, Shoshin wrote:Irrel's excitement means he's scum, yes.
Is there clear meta of Irrelephant11 being unexcited as town and excited as scum?
Does my saying that Irre was excited to sign up for a game before the game started, not affect your read?
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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:41 am

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Those aren't useful questions.
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:42 am

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Those absolutely are.
You're asserting that Irrel's excitement makes him scum. I'm asking you to support your assertion with evidence.
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:44 am

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I might rep out this game has been awful so far and I'm just going to get lynched first nomination phase anyway
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:45 am

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In post 303, Auro wrote:
In post 294, GrandWazoo wrote:it's possible from their history that they don't like each other and that these exchanges would happen regardless of alignment.
You feel their exchange does imply a possible "bad history" between them, which is correct.
You believe these exchanges would then happen regardless of alignment.
Then why do you believe it can't be a TvT? If the exchanges were to happen regardless of alignment, it could very well be TvT, no?
I said it's possible, not that I believe it. The whole interaction is anti-town tbh, which is why I think scum distancing is possible too.

It's far more likely that one of them is triggered town and one is aggro scum.
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:50 am

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In post 308, RadiantCowbells wrote:I might rep out this game has been awful so far and I'm just going to get lynched first nomination phase anyway
You asked me to sign up for this game so I'll be really upset if you leave. Also, why are you running away from the challenge of not getting lynched on first nomination phase? Are you not up to it?
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:52 am

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In post 300, Shoshin wrote:
In post 283, scum reading wrote:Reason why they’re here is because elephant gave townreads way early on, several times if I’m not mistaken, overall town behavior.
This isn't townie for Irrel.
I haven’t played with anyone here, but here is the beauty of no-meta, I can read actions of people in this specific game and focus on that, I don’t have to make my brain remember previous encounters with players, remember their alignment and all the actions that they’ve done and match that with their behaviour in this game. Updating a town reads list, in my experience, is something that scum don’t tend to do. Scum usually are active during rvs and then they “passive hunt”, waiting for the perfect opportunity to jump on a wagon or throw an accusation. They don’t contribute to town in any way and they tend to make a lot of scenarios or to distort information and use it to their advantage (when pushing someone, for example) . Irrelephant didn’t do any of those things just yet. That’s why I townread them. (By the way, is it “he” or “she” ? )
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:54 am

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Hey RC, what do you think of SR?
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:55 am

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RC already placed me at a nullscum
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:56 am

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Oh, nice. RC's town, then. Good read on his part.
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:57 am

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Hey Irrel, what's your read on SR?
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:58 am

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In post 310, Shoshin wrote:
In post 308, RadiantCowbells wrote:I might rep out this game has been awful so far and I'm just going to get lynched first nomination phase anyway
You asked me to sign up for this game so I'll be really upset if you leave. Also, why are you running away from the challenge of not getting lynched on first nomination phase? Are you not up to it?
A townie shouldn't care about being lynched so long as it provides information to town.
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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:59 am

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I’ll put that at a shallow level of scumread until I get an explanation of why I’m leaning towards scum, just because RC failed to provide it when I asked for one
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:03 am

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Explanations are scummy.
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:15 am

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@SR: I haven't played with anyone here either, and it's obviously good to develop reads based on gameplay as opposed to meta. I wouldn't accept an argument like "X played like this as scum in games Y and Z therefore X is scum here" uncritically, but I don't discount it either since players do have AI playstyles over time. I don't agree that scum don't update townlists; in fact they should do this in order to steer town into mislynches and gain towncred.
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:18 am

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In post 318, Shoshin wrote:Explanations are scummy.
I’ll pretend like this was a joke and ignore it
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:19 am

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In post 319, GrandWazoo wrote:@SR: I haven't played with anyone here either, and it's obviously good to develop reads based on gameplay as opposed to meta. I wouldn't accept an argument like "X played like this as scum in games Y and Z therefore X is scum here" uncritically, but I don't discount it either since players do have AI playstyles over time. I don't agree that scum don't update townlists; in fact they should do this in order to steer town into mislynches and gain towncred.
During rvs stage though? Maybe d2 and above I’d be more careful when looking at frequently updated town reads, but in rvs I don’t really suspect it
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:30 am

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Maybe explanations aren't scummy for SR? I dunno.
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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:35 am

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I don't have issues explaining jack shit as scum and if I were scum DT would have been lynched already and you'd be townreading me for it as a collective
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:41 am

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What's your reads at this point?
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