Open 746: Bus Service [Game Over]

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Yikes I wish I had read this game before I replaced in

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Bujaber your push on the previous page against me reads like you're advocating a policy lynch. I haven't read yet to justify or not justify your feelings about Clemency but when people are telling you that's how he is you shouldn't be pushing him for not conforming to your ideas of what a townie should be.

In other news I think I have fairly confidently caught at least one scum

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VOTE: creature

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Just by checking postcounts:
Lovebird is town
Firebringer can go
mcqueen idk
Akarin town
BuJaber can't tell
Clemency probtown
TTTT dunno
Eyes without a read no read
Alonzo should go

Scientific progress goes boink

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Creature I'm going to take the next 24 hours off.

If you're town here it's time to show it. If not, glgl

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My tentative scumteam read is Creature/Bujaber/Alonzo

Creature / Alonzo feels like distancing without voting, Bujaber has Alonzo refusing to push on him and no real creature interactions, I guess I'll read votecounts but

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Read confidence also in that order but I'm a lot more sure of Creature than anyone else

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Akarin/Lovebird slots are town

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I think my not having a read on Fire makes him more likely scum than not + he has been on during my entire time in thread and hasn't posted here

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Think it's pretty possible that he's in scum thread doing damage control

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Uh last visited says 637 am cuz I was gonna see if he turned it off but he no longer shows as online. Maybe I hallucinated

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I want to give Creature time and space because I've made mistakes on him before but this iso is beyond awful. I don't believe, if this is his town game, that he hasn't been sandbagging as town. He can do better than this

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I think maybe Alonzo is town just playing an awful game

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I wonder if EWAF Bujaber is ever SvS

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Hi Alonzo talk to me

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Firebringer is calling both creature and bujaber scum and voting Bujaber

Think I'm leaning EWAF third?

RC town
Akarin town (pushing buja)
Wilky town

Fire ? (Pushing buja)

Oh actually McQueen could be the third

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Votecount: 3.3

(3) mcqueen voted by:

Clemency, wilky, Creature.

(2) BuJaber voted by:

Akarin, Firebringer.

(2) Clemency voted by:

BuJaber, Eyes without a face.

(1) wilky voted by:

Alonzo.

(1) Not voting:

mcqueen.

With 9 players alive, 5 votes are needed for a lynch.

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2019-03-02 10:15:00).

I feel like scum are doing something really stupid rn

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So

Creature

1/2 (fire buja)

And then 1 flex slot

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I wonder why my pred was voting McQueen

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Alonzo/McQueen makes a lot of sense

Maybe that was the right creature partner

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Ok this isn't helping

I've read, I need time to sit and think. Feel free to ask me questions

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Don't vote anyone before I am ready to power play, especially not me

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If creature isn't scum and continues to be useless this game was unwinnable from when I replaced in, not that it's not still essentially unwinnable

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Wishing I didn't replace into this D1 cop lynch clusterfuck hbu

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I didn't realize I was under pressure either or I'd have come in talking about how obvtown I knew my predecessor was

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Vote creature then?

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I mean actually don't yet let's let him post but

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Buja more and more reads as someone who knows that he's pushing town for being anti town and getting annoyed that people aren't following

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Getting a Pine in xyzzys game vibe

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I mean I thought a few things from his iso were towny, most notably that them openly giving their vote away then flaking shows that the lack of interest was legit and makes sense given that they thought town Buja was derptunneling them all game.

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But again I know that I'm town so

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Don't agree on your lynchpool and even if I did you can't lynch your entire lynchpool so.

Ok let's say buja is just gt town who are the scum?

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Kappa

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Lovebird is never scum here

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I independently townread the replacement as well

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Or I could just say that I have a super successful track record reading her and not do that

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Can someone explain to me how I came in saying that creature was scum and now suddenly Bujaber is at L1

Are you fucking kidding me

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Anyone lynches before Buj speaks gets rope tomorrow

???

Buj is at l-1 you dumbass if he's town someone is going to fucking hammer

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How hard is it to not fucking vote when I told you not to vote
.trading a scum for a town here in a hypothetical world where tnjs I'd town is always the fijg plag

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YOU GUYS LYNCHED THE COP D1.

I REPLACED IN TO TRY TO HIT SCUM I ASKED YOU NOT TO VOTE AND A GUY IS AT L1 THREE HOIRS LATER

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And if he's scum?

You still think you're better than me?

VOTE: Bujaber

Here you go then
I can pretty much guarantee you that this is town because a town that lynches the cop D1 doesn't get 4 votes on scum.

Try me

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Can someone explain to me how I came in saying that creature was scum and now suddenly Bujaber is at L1

Are you fucking kidding me

Stop being bad

This lobby is stupid enough that you're succeeding as scum

Don't even talk to me

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Can't save people who don't want to be saved

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I mean

Creature did spew bujaber scum with that reaction so that's fine

But dear fucking Lord it is tilting when you guys don't give me a day to get caught up

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ok dude

GL pushing the narrative that buja Clemency was scum theatre

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Also note creature going from stop being bad to calling me scum when I said that I wasn't giving him towncred for the buja lynch

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Wilkys not scum
Akarins not scum
Mcqueen isn't scum
RC not scum

Creature scum
Partners in order are EWAF/Firebringer/Alonzo

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There's actually a world where akarin was bussing buja and I did misread her in our last game but I'm fine to give her the win if she's scum

If the bus driver is in the 3 potential partners the game is locked

All of the above assumes Buja scum but

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Put Alonzo second actually

That "what if he flips scum" was ick

Don't really have a reason to scumread Firebringer but I've seen stuff like his buja Clemency bus thing from scum him several times

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Also note creature going from stop being bad to calling me scum when I said that I wasn't giving him towncred for the buja lynch

I mean I could be wrong but I don't think creature actually looked for any credit for it? Creature wanted Alonzo I suggested a Buj wagon and then Creature came over. Creature did sr Buj though going by posts.

All I'm seeing here is RC reaching and grabbing at nothing, having a meltdown about a cop getting lynched d1 that both voters today had nothing to do with then in the midst of a strop hammering the L-1.

I town read your slot and if you are town sort it out for tomorrow.

Wilky it was a transparent scum vote on their dying partner

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Wilky look at the creature buja interaction where he says that he thinks he might be third partner it's transparent scum theatre

Please for the love of God don't give Creature tired for this flip

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I could go for creature? Seemingly just assigning reads on people arbitrarily.

-_-

This is a scum read on partner and creature reaction is also pretty scummy. If buja read was really that harsh he would be voting there, that's the kind of thing you TMI about your buddies

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I'm leaning you as the third scum. Do you have a say?

I'm not and from what I've seen you know how to read me quite well. So I'm pretty suspicious.

doesn't mean I can read you immediatelly.

There's 2 and a half dayphases of posts to analyze

Also this is transparently theatre

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Buja wouldn't have been lynched without my replace in ignore my reads at your peril

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"I'm pretty suspicious"
"Yeah this guy is just making up reads"

Never votes him, Creature finds his way on when the Lynch is inevitable. Back and forth never goes anywhere

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We should have lynched creature today

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If I didn't hammer I wouldn't be able to lynch you tomorrow

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Oh I know that after I get nightkilled everyone is just going to say I was killed because Buja spewed me town. But I trust the bus driver not to be an idiot

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If you're so confident then don't kill me and see what happens

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Amazed that no one had anything to say

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I'll be really amused by your shit talking of MS towns if you're town here given you did nothing this entire game besides tunnel a town slot.

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???

People correctly townread Clemency

Just because

you

can't read him doesn't mean there's a systemic problem here. You tunneled him to the point that he gave up on the game and flaked out of the game at a point where he had basically already won as scum no matter who his buddies are. If you have a problem with him and players like him then by all means avoid them but it felt to me like you were pushing a known policy lynch on my slot and I expect better from town you. And I didn't even want to lynch you today.

Also, from your perspective you randomly jumped to L1 when I started to push creature, when I had asked everyone to lay off the fucking votes no less. If you're town my vote shouldn't be the point on the wagon that you have a problem with. My stance was that you were always going to get lynched if you were town so I need to make sure I'm on the wagon if you're scum so that Creature can't cite being on the wagon and walk away tomorrow.

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I get the feeling that even when you know my slot is town you'll still think your actions are correct because Clemency is a troll or w/e so I'll leave you be. But derptunneling town is far more anti town than having an off color playstyle.

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I'm pretty sure that's the opposite of what I'm doing?

If I wanted to avoid push back for your town flip, I don't quick hammer you. My only priority in twilight has been making sure Creature dies after you. I literally did nothing else until you came in now.

He wasn't town and you aren't town you're still trying to win the game. Talk afterwards not while your alignment is still technically in the dark.

Ask the mod for spoilers. Don't do what you did here again please.

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Rest of this conversation can wait until postgame or for me to get nightkilled tonight I guess

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Was there some reason y'all just had to wagon buja before I could get settled in the thread?

Serious question after lynching town every day thus far as a group what makes you think the correct play is to quicklynch before I can fully contribute?


Anyone votes before I do today I speedvote them.

I can find scum, I can't make you follow me

But do realize that if I'm scum you've already lost, but if I'm town maybe I can solo this game for you. No promises. I would have bet 80% town odds as of yesterday now who the fuck even knows which flex spots are scum

Firebringer
Alonzo
EWAF
Mcqueen

What are your reads? Who do you think is scum and town?

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Bus driver does not claim yet

I will give whoever I end up wanting to vote a chance to claim

Town wincon is to use the bus to make me unkill

Actually wait BD outs now if any kills have involved their redirect targets

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From where I'm standing

Lovebird was town: I can snap read her on meta. Wilky would also be a decent townread if I didn't have Lovebird.

Creature is still scum. Essentially confirmed scum. Not voting him for the Lynch today, however, because we want a safe scum slot to guarantee a redirect redirects to scum and gives us a mislynch. You don't want to always target creature, like 1d3 and target on 1 or 2? But at this point our EV of winning is highest going for him exactly tomorrow mathematically plus if I do end up killed you'll only have to Lynch one more scum instead of two

2/4 of the remainder are scum. I don't want to reveal my hand further here: I believe I know one scum but I'm uncertain who they would be partnered with.

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I'm dearly hoping that wilky isn't BD because that gives us 1/3 odds of winning without even having to scumhunt if the BD goes uncced

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Idc how good you think you are or how confident you are that x player is scum

Don't vote anyone

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Even by your modern basically gamethrowing as town standards this game is well outside of your town range.

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Good for you

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You guys gonna play this game??

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Yup

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Talk to me not creature

Who are the wolves

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Who are creatures buddies fypov fire

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Who says I think that you're scum?

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And if I do think you're scum the correct play is to talk to me more so I change that read, no?

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Don't really have a reason to scumread Firebringer but I've seen stuff like his buja Clemency bus thing from scum him several times

Worst I ever said about you

Or are you just ateing to get me to townread you because until we had this conversation I thought you were the most likely town in my flex pool

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Are we going to do this again fire?

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I don't agree with your assessment of how I should read you.

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What stances piss you off?

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Let's start with the second

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do you think that if I hadn't hammered him he wouldn't have been lynched anyway?

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How would you feel if you were in my position and you replaced into the thread, called out a fucking SCUM CREATURE who is somehow not caught by anyone going into day 4, and people use your words as an excuse to wagon some other townie, at least one of whom was town?

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How do I win games if despite having prolly the most accurate reads of anyone active right now I get bullshit scumreads like Anks and when that doesn't happen townies just go off and gamethrow and ignore me

I want to win games man

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Like give us back yesterday's lunch and replace Bujaber with someone who isn't braindead I would already have a game win Poe with him in it

Done game over replace into a shit town and solve the game still

But no that didn't happen?

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how are you going to win games by lynching your townreads just out of spite?

I wasn't winning this game anyway

My vote changed nothing and if I hadn't placed it and creature was bussing I couldn't have lynched him the next day

I had no options

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We are both recognizing there is a problem here

I fundamentally disagree that the problem is with me as opposed to the town involved

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This wasn't just an ego thing

I thought through the hammer a lot more carefully than you seem to think

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Let's just not do this

RC
Fire
Wilky

Leaving

2/3
EWAF
Alonzo
Mcqueen

+Creature

Noting that creature has at time tried to lynch both Alonzo and McQueen so he was bussing at least at one point

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This wasn't just an ego thing

I thought through the hammer a lot more carefully than you seem to think

I can't see how it was anything more than ego. Maybe we should talk more about that after game.


how is wilky never scum here?

Lovebird wasn't
You're going to have to trust me on this

The only example I can link is DND mafia right now

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nah.

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In the end if you're town Alonzo it comes down to do you actually think your reads are better than mine on someone I have an 100% meta read on and who gets errantly scumread a fuckton.

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I have claimed masons with Lovebird on D1 before to keep her alive. I would do so in this game were it not open.

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VOTE: Alonzo

Here you go then

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See how that works?

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You want to gamethrow and ruin this game? Fine by me. Let's do this thing.

That's assuming you're not scum in which case feel free.

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Was she the only mislynch you could get?

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Fire vote him please.

Even if you think he's town if he's not unvoting the game is over

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We both already know creature is scum so

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Stop this theatre. RC, FB + someone else I dunno who are the wolves. We obviously can't lynch the 2 outed wolves, so the game is a scum win.

@mod: replace me

lol did you just rage replace out because Alonzo is playing so bad

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What if we all replace out and call the game?

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So Alonzo voted Lovebird in lylo and got voted by me

He claims to think I'm town

Yet he's neither crossvoted me nor unvoted to get me to unvote even though from his point of view scum can quickhammer him with my vote on him

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Even if he's scum that's basically gamethrowing

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If he's town he has just completed the worst town game I have ever seen.

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UNVOTE:

Still think he's scum

Still need to engage the remaining slots

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VOTE: unvote

i don't get how alonzo just said that rc outed himself but decided to unvote there?

He's scum and it didn't occur to him that in lylo the votes meant 1v1s

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Or at least that's my guess?

I've seen Alonzo do some pretty fucking dumb things as town but this would be an entirely new level

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Basically it's two am and iv no will or desire to have a battle of will with RC just now

I just unvoted you when Fire wasn't going to you

If you're scum do what you gotta do but if you're town I am never playing with you again after this performance

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But you are wrong on Lovebird I'm certain.

Good for you hey when have you ever been right on a read where I was wrong, just askintt

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We are agreeing this is a mislynch push not a bus right

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Should I not hate him if he's town doing this?

In all seriousness I think that it is perfectly reasonable

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I can't fucking deal with this like

If he is somehow town how was I supposed to win this with him trying to powerlynch another townie in lylo

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What exactly is the path to a win here

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Ok

But if he's town then that means it's EWAF McQueen

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@Creature: You've been on every mislynch since the game started. What am I supposed to make of it?

Stop this theatre. RC, FB + someone else I dunno who are the wolves. We obviously can't lynch the 2 outed wolves, so the game is a scum win.

@mod: replace me

I just noticed this

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If I wait 24 hours someone will have been mislynched

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I think it's

Creature Alonzo EWAF exactly

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I'm going to sit for a few hours

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Ugh

Mcqueen feels so bad too

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I think we can say with certainty that creature isn't the town just based on reactions to the pushes and Alonzo play here

I don't think this changes the 50/50

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Can safe Lynch creature and try to get Alonzo bus killed

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Mcqueen is worse tbh

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If I just say hey EWAF tac replaced that's a game solve and it makes sense

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Maybe I can get NSG to take EWAFs slot

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EWAF tilt replace cuz can't Lynch Firebringer makes sense

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It feels really dirty to locktown ewaf for that

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Wilky where do you stand

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If I'm wrong on wilky that makes Alonzo town

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What teams are even possible?

Creature Alonzo EWAF
Creature McQueen Alonzo
Creature McQueen Wilky

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Wait wilky also pushed McQueen and in a not SvS way

So it's literally

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If I'm wrong on Firebringer

He's scum with creature and Mcqueen

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That Alonzo interaction isn't S-S

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If I'm wrong on Alonzo do we ever even win though

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I'm assuming yes?

If not then we just kill creature

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I don't want to have my sole lynch of the game before I die be creature

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lol

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VOTE: creature

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UNVOTE:

Not yet though

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If mafia has taught me anything it's that I somehow wind up dead regardless of the surrounding circumstances

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Pseudo vote is back on Alonzo ftr

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Clarify your read on me fire?

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Err. Creature

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I'm actually likely to vote someone else I think?

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FUCK OFF DT

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VOTE: McQueen

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This is why they pay me the big buck to play mafia

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Tom Hagen

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I think Alonzo is actually town btw

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Or I don't.

But I'm lynching not him today

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You joined a slot that rage replaced out because he couldn't Lynch Firebringer who was town

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I don't speak Firebringer

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I think scum is McQueen Creature with flex that is probably Alonzo and I'd rather lose the game voting someone who all the dead town scumread than creature who is an unpopular read

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You were town

But I recruited you to the mafia

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Had more quotes in here but seem to have lost them.

Wilky where do you stand

Not sure I see both Alonzo and McQueen bring scum together here and my scum read on McQueen is much bigger than that on Alonzo so tempted to say town Alonzo.

I guess that leaves the scum team as McQueen/Eyes and then I'm not sure. If your slot is scum then you and clemency both deserve the win so I'm willing to sheep you on Creature I guess.

Question:

If McQueen is your bigger scumread and you're not really scumreading Creature, why do you bring up sheeping me on Creature but not voting McQueen?

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@fire if you help me lynch scum today I will draw toothless fanart for you
@DT if you help me lynch scum today i will dislike you slightly less

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alonzo/creature if either of you are town it's time to show it and vote.

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i'm not sure if the toothless fanart thing is even allowed but

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Had more quotes in here but seem to have lost them.

Wilky where do you stand

Not sure I see both Alonzo and McQueen bring scum together here and my scum read on McQueen is much bigger than that on Alonzo so tempted to say town Alonzo.

I guess that leaves the scum team as McQueen/Eyes and then I'm not sure. If your slot is scum then you and clemency both deserve the win so I'm willing to sheep you on Creature I guess.

I think this post is scummy to rc.

???

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he is town because lovebird was town.

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ok.

can you explain to me the scumteam with wilky on it that you see as likely?

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like unless it's exactly ewaf/wilky/alonzo and the reason ewaf got tilted and ragequit was because alonzo voted wilky?

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I'm currently voting you, you're not getting quickhammered, and your 'engaging' me has been asking me about my creature/you reads and asking why I won't vote Alonzo instead
You didn't ask me to unvote you, you didn't call me scum for the lack of quickhammer, etc. you're not playing like you're town in LyLo. same with Alonzo for that matter.
don't think a townie chats with me and complains about me ignoring their attempts to engage under the circumstances and your iso is god awful.

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amusingly none of that is why I scumread you, but. gotta give the masses what they want.

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i townread you until I metad you

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ftr

alonzo's iso hardspews mcqueen as a buddy

so i'm feeling a lot stronger about that

if anything creature is the point in the triangle that I'm unsure of?

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UNVOTE:

keep your votes there.

I'm going to keep reading.

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VOTE: mcqueen

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hi

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this game was super, super townsided btw

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if there is i'm no killing until happily ever after.

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there's no excuse for this setup having been run in the first place.

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everything is unreasonable lol

the bus driver alone is unreasonable

it's like a super townsided version of watchmen wanted

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no it's balanced

this game on the other hand...

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i'm gonna give so much shit to the open setup group

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this game is absurd because we can't even kill the bus driver cuz they can self target

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like at least in watchmen wanted u out the watcher you can kill them

in this game... lol

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For the record I took this slot because I had a super confident double scumread on Alonzo Creature and a boat load of townreads besides. I thought third scum was Buj. I died inside when I saw scum

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what fun to quickhammer someone I'm not scumreading and be townread for it