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Post Post #2917  (isolation #200)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:06 pm

Scum doing implausible things is what makes scum to win a game.

VOTE: jjh927

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Post Post #2919  (isolation #201)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:20 pm

In post 2918, Michael Scott wrote:Logic being that if it's too implausible, it's not alignment-indicative.

Also, could you walk me through why ProFlavor is in your solve?
You were very confident on him being town before.

He's the one I'm least convinced, but scum!Mewtaph gives much more scum equity to ProFlavor

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Post Post #2921  (isolation #202)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:29 pm

Well, I am town, so cool

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Post Post #2928  (isolation #203)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:07 pm

Is it because I'm a sweetheart?

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Post Post #2932  (isolation #204)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:27 pm

What happened along the way, dear? I thought we were cool

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Post Post #2940  (isolation #205)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:19 pm

Varsoon, I know how you're feeling and it's understandable, specially for how D1 happened. But I don't think anyone will hold a grudge on you or something along those lines; after all, it's just a game. I respect you for feeling this way 'cause it means you really care about this and your effort is by no means in vain. I'm happy playing with you and will happily play again

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Post Post #2969  (isolation #206)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:25 pm

We need more from ProFlavor

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Post Post #3048  (isolation #207)  » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:14 am

Who's afraid of the big bad wolf
Big bad wolf, big bad wolf
Who's afraid of the big bad wolf
Tra la la la la

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Post Post #3073  (isolation #208)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:53 pm

I'm back to my paranoic read on MS

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Post Post #3075  (isolation #209)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:10 pm

In post 3074, Firebringer wrote:I think mewtaph is scum. Let us discuss that

I think that too. I'm having problems between MS or ProFlavor being the partner.

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Post Post #3078  (isolation #210)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:38 pm

welp one of the reasons I was paranoid about MS was that Volxen stopped posting and I think that Volxen's posts back on D1 were scummier than Auro's so I thought he was avoiding the thread. Scratch that now.

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Post Post #3079  (isolation #211)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:40 pm

In post 3077, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 3075, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 3074, Firebringer wrote:I think mewtaph is scum. Let us discuss that

I think that too. I'm having problems between MS or ProFlavor being the partner.

I'm getting tired of dealing with the paranoia. Either make a scumcase beyond "They bussed jjh927 to clear themselves" and argue that, or stop the tunneling.

-Auro

You saying there's probably no strongman pinged me, 'cause it's like saying "there are definately two BPs in the game". If there's no strongman, then I think there's not two BPs, and I think you're the more likely lying since now we know that the scumteam have fakeclaims and yours sound faker than brass'.

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Post Post #3082  (isolation #212)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:44 pm

In post 3081, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 3079, pinturicchio wrote:You saying there's probably no strongman pinged me, 'cause it's like saying "there are definately two BPs in the game". If there's no strongman, then I think there's not two BPs

There's also a vigi, also limited shot BP, also no Strongman is just a possibility - more probable that AC were killed for reads.

Ah, the vig, didn't think about that. And Volxen's post is wooooow impressive so yeah back to your regular news.

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Post Post #3083  (isolation #213)  » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:54 pm

In post 3056, Krazy wrote:JJH has been lynched in a vicious zergling attack! He was...

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Novice Mafia RolecopWelcome to Starcraft 2 Mafia!

You are a Terran Command Center, a Novice Mafia Rolecop. Your scummates are [always glad I remember to redact this part]

You are novice (landing). Night one, choose where you would like to be in the player list. Night one you land there and build your comsat station. You will not be able to move in the player list after this.

"Comsat Station" (Rolecop) -- Each night after the first you may conduct a Scanner Sweep on one player in the list. This will reveal their role card to you, although any informed status information will be redacted.

At night your faction may decide to kill someone, but you must determine who will carry out the kill. If you are the one to perform the kill, the target will be assaulted by marine fire.

You are a ground unit. You are a building.

Win: You win when the mafia control a parity in the town or this can't be prevented from happening.

Game thread here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=78296

You have access to the Scum PT which is here: [yeah should probably redact this part too]

Confirm: Please confirm by responding with your alignment and role name

You have a fakeclaim as below

In post 2766, jjh927 wrote:I was a drone who had to choose a place to build a hatchery N1, and I wanted #7 but apparently was put in #8. Can't move after that.

Now I'm a building and a bulletproof one at that.

In post 2839, Michael Scott wrote:Image

Compiled a list of claims and revealed roles so far; If I missed something please correct it.

In post 3076, Michael Scott wrote:Jjh's fakeclaim was "Zerg hatchery", and his actual role was "Terran Command Center". In the Starcraft II game, The Terran Command Center is the Terran equivalent of the Zerg hatchery.

With JJh's actual role (Terran Command Center) being the Terran equivalent of his fakeclaim (Zerg Hatchery)

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Post Post #3126  (isolation #214)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:57 am

ProFlavor is town, Michael Scott is scum, for realsies this time

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Post Post #3127  (isolation #215)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:04 am

Whoever realizes why gets brownie points, go

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Post Post #3130  (isolation #216)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:22 am

I already did, actually, but nobody noticed

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Post Post #3132  (isolation #217)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:47 am

In post 3083, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 3056, Krazy wrote:JJH has been lynched in a vicious zergling attack! He was...

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Novice Mafia RolecopWelcome to Starcraft 2 Mafia!

You are a Terran Command Center, a Novice Mafia Rolecop. Your scummates are [always glad I remember to redact this part]

You are novice (landing). Night one, choose where you would like to be in the player list. Night one you land there and build your comsat station. You will not be able to move in the player list after this.

"Comsat Station" (Rolecop) -- Each night after the first you may conduct a Scanner Sweep on one player in the list. This will reveal their role card to you, although any informed status information will be redacted.

At night your faction may decide to kill someone, but you must determine who will carry out the kill. If you are the one to perform the kill, the target will be assaulted by marine fire.

You are a ground unit. You are a building.

Win: You win when the mafia control a parity in the town or this can't be prevented from happening.

Game thread here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=78296

You have access to the Scum PT which is here: [yeah should probably redact this part too]

Confirm: Please confirm by responding with your alignment and role name

You have a fakeclaim as below

In post 2766, jjh927 wrote:I was a drone who had to choose a place to build a hatchery N1, and I wanted #7 but apparently was put in #8. Can't move after that.

Now I'm a building and a bulletproof one at that.

In post 2839, Michael Scott wrote:Image

Compiled a list of claims and revealed roles so far; If I missed something please correct it.

In post 3076, Michael Scott wrote:Jjh's fakeclaim was "Zerg hatchery", and his actual role was "Terran Command Center". In the Starcraft II game, The Terran Command Center is the Terran equivalent of the Zerg hatchery.

With JJh's actual role (Terran Command Center) being the Terran equivalent of his fakeclaim (Zerg Hatchery)

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Post Post #3134  (isolation #218)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:53 am

Patience you must have, my young padawan. Let's see what the rest of the playerlist has to say about this first, I have to confirm something.

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Post Post #3137  (isolation #219)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:00 am

In post 3135, Varsoon wrote:Oh, was Zerg Hatchery his fake claim but Michael Scott slipped by saying it when it hasn't been posted anywhere in the game thread?

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Post Post #3140  (isolation #220)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:03 am

Yeah sure, "assumption". Look at the wording of 2766 and then the wording on 3076. Also in your compiled list of claims it said "Drone-->Building" so I'm pretty damn sure you thought the fakeclaim was posted by Krazy and you put the name on thread after jjh flipped.

VOTE: Michael Scott

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Post Post #3144  (isolation #221)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:05 am

In post 3139, Firebringer wrote:that seems a pretty obvious deduction to me

Look at the wording on 3076, he said twice that jjh's fakeclaim was Zerg Hatchery. He said it like it was a fact, not a deduction made by him.

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Post Post #3145  (isolation #222)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:05 am

In post 3143, Michael Scott wrote:Umm, that's not a slip. It's pretty clear that he used his fakeclaim during the massclaim, and even though the fakeclaim wasn't provided with the flip, it's really likely that the one he mentioned was the fakeclaim. There's still a small chance he "came up with his own fakeclaim instead" but I seriously doubt that's the case given 1. There's no reason to, and 2. His general effort levels this game.

I'm talking about knowing the exact name of the fakeclaim, not if it was his fakeclaim or not.

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Post Post #3150  (isolation #223)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:08 am

In post 3146, Firebringer wrote:
In post 3144, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 3139, Firebringer wrote:that seems a pretty obvious deduction to me

Look at the wording on 3076, he said twice that jjh's fakeclaim was Zerg Hatchery. He said it like it was a fact, not a deduction made by him.

so what if he said it like it was a fact?

It almost assuredly is a fact and i would bet a million dollars that Krazy gave jjh the fake claim "Zerg Hatchery"

Even if it's 99.999999999% possible that that's his fakeclaim name, it's not a fact if you're town.

jjh said he was a drone and he even softclaimed drone on D1 at EoD, so why go with Zerg Hatchery when jjh was using "drone" as a key word?

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Post Post #3152  (isolation #224)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:12 am

In post 3149, Firebringer wrote:"OMG HE KNEW THE FAKE CLAIM OF THIS PERSON!"
yeah...the person fake claimed it.

"BUT HE KNEW THAT WAS THE REAL FAKE CLAIM HE GOT LIKE HE ACTUALLY GOT IT"

yeah...he probably did get it. I doubt that was really just made up by jjh.

I don't even understand what kind of shit ur going for here.

Again, I'm talking about the exact name of the fakeclaim. "probably did get it" yes, I'm not doubting that. Saying it like a fact is what makes it a slip.

pedit: one more time: leap of deduction = perfectly fine. He didn't say it like it was a leap of deduction, he said it like a fact as if jjh's fakeclaim was posted by Krazy.

I know absolutely nothing about Starcraft, but I don't think that has something to do with MS's wording on the fakeclaim.

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Post Post #3156  (isolation #225)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:17 am

I know, I quoted that. He said "to build a hatchery", never said explicitly "Zerg Hatchery", like AC did with their claim which was the exact wording. That's what I mean.

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Post Post #3159  (isolation #226)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:19 am

In post 3154, Firebringer wrote:Drones turn into Zerg Hatcheries.
They turn into buildings that are the bases for games. The terran equivalent is a command center which JJh was.

He fake claimed Drone apparently that could build shit later. Kind of implied Hatchery to an extent if i am not mistaken if he never even said that.

Just Wikipedia'd Drones and they're a ground unit by itself too; why not deduce "Zerg Drone" instead of "Zerg Hatchery"? I mean, you can deduce whichever, but say it as a fact?

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Post Post #3160  (isolation #227)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:20 am

In post 3157, Firebringer wrote:the only type of hatchery is a Zerg Hatchery you dingus.

Not my point, read my last post.

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Post Post #3165  (isolation #228)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:27 am

In post 3161, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 3159, pinturicchio wrote:Just Wikipedia'd Drones and they're a ground unit by itself too; why not deduce "Zerg Drone" instead of "Zerg Hatchery"? I mean, you can deduce whichever, but say it as a fact?

They're equivalent. Saying "his fakeclaim was Zerg drone" is the same as "his fakeclaim was Zerg Hatchery", but hatchery is what he turns into, so it makes sense to call it "Zerg Hatchery"

But you said "Zerg Hatchery" as it was a fact. Paraphrasing, you basically said "his fakeclaim was Zerg Hatchery", like it was something known in the thread. That's my point, they're equivalent, it could be any of those names, but you used one as a fact. I'm not saying it's a bad assumption, I'm saying it IS an assumption and you didn't say it like it is.

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Post Post #3167  (isolation #229)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:33 am

In post 3166, Firebringer wrote:pintu explain to me what is a more reasonable assumption to make here.

someone knows the flavor well enough to make a reasonable assumption and assume it is a fact when posting.
or that person gives out information we aren't privy to by not differentiating between assumptions vs factual statements.

If you say it like that I will look like and idiot if I say the second one.





So the second one. If he would've said something like "it's pretty obvious he was a Zerg Hatchery" or "we can assume he was a Zerg Hatchery" this whole thing would be useless. But he said "he was a Zerg Hatchery". I know I look like the CRAZY CONSPIRACY GUY WHO SEES SCUMSLIPS EVERYWHERE but I'm not like that.

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Post Post #3169  (isolation #230)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:38 am

In post 3168, Michael Scott wrote:But he *was* a Zerg Hatchery.

And he *was* a Zerg Drone too. C'mon give me a break you guys are giving me less credit that I deserve, I'm not being daft am I????

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Post Post #3172  (isolation #231)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:41 am

And I'm telling you, I don't believe in any shit like that; I'm known to do tinfoil hat theories ingame all the time but I usually reasess and explicitly say that they're tinfoilly. This is NOT like that.

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Post Post #3174  (isolation #232)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:42 am

@Varsoon, ProFLavor and Alchemist: I want your opinion in this too.

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Post Post #3175  (isolation #233)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:42 am

In post 3173, Firebringer wrote:if anything it seems to me that jjh fucked up his fake claim here because theres nothing about an scv in that role pm. Not sure why a fake claim would have a mention of a drone if the real role doesn't have a scv. but i am done talking about this.

Sorry, what's an scv?

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Post Post #3178  (isolation #234)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:44 am

In post 3176, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 3169, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 3168, Michael Scott wrote:But he *was* a Zerg Hatchery.

I'm not being daft am I????

No, you are being *super* daft.

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Post Post #3181  (isolation #235)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:46 am

I think Fire is town so I trust his input on this. I'm sad now.

UNVOTE: Michael Scott

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Post Post #3182  (isolation #236)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:47 am

Sorry if I was being dumb. I won't talk about that again unless someone wants to.

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Post Post #3186  (isolation #237)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:50 am

Yeah sure, let's do that. What is the votecount? Is that L-1 or L-2?

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Post Post #3189  (isolation #238)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:56 am

It's L-2. You quoted a post from Alch voting ProFlavor and I thought it was a vote from this day.

VOTE: ProFlavor

Now's L-1.

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Post Post #3217  (isolation #239)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:05 am

In post 3195, Firebringer wrote:my work here is done.
hopefully i get nked

In post 3196, Michael Scott wrote:Aren't you Bulletproof?

In post 3197, Michael Scott wrote:Oh shit sorry >.> Nevermind.

In post 3198, Firebringer wrote:gw einstein

This is gold

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Post Post #3237  (isolation #240)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:34 am

But MS and Varsoon are both PRs, what the fcuk

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Post Post #3242  (isolation #241)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:35 am

Yeah you're right firedoggo. Good boy

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Post Post #3243  (isolation #242)  » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:36 am

What if MS is lying and he moved down in order to frame ProFlavor?!?

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Post Post #3273  (isolation #243)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:41 pm

We should get a long discussion on who's MS partner right now. He clearly aligned mislynches with that ProFlavor push yesterday instead of sorting Alch/Mewtaph. I was fucking right all along

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Post Post #3277  (isolation #244)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:51 pm

Sure, keep deepwolfing. What a fucking disaster, I'll be 1v1ing the guys that I've been scumreading since the start of the game, while they townread me in order to have me alive and "PoE" me at the end.

The lack of paranoia after mislynching ProFlavor is so blatantly obvious that it hurts

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Post Post #3278  (isolation #245)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:54 pm

Why the fuck would I vote ProFlavor yesterday if I knew you would come after scum!me knowing that he was going to flip town? Yeah, that's right, I didn't know he would flip town and MS knew exactly what they were doing.

Also bringing up the strongman yesterday out of nowhere and making that kill to prove the existence of it in order to have an alibi for their fake claim? Genius.

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Post Post #3279  (isolation #246)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:55 pm

I don't expect you to reevaluate your vote 'cause you're 100% scum in here. So let's see who your partner is.

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Post Post #3284  (isolation #247)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:58 pm

Of course I'm PoEd, that was your plan all along. Why pushing ProFlavor yesterday instead of Alch/Mew if that would 100% confirmed a scum today in case we were wrong? That would've been the optimal town play if you were so sure about one of them being scum and the other one town but not being so sure about Pro/me as a dichotomoy. 'cause you started this day voting and unvoting me to look like you were evaluating it, but that was fake too

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Post Post #3285  (isolation #248)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:59 pm

In post 3281, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 3277, pinturicchio wrote:Sure, keep deepwolfing. What a fucking disaster, I'll be 1v1ing the guys that I've been scumreading since the start of the game, while they townread me in order to have me alive and "PoE" me at the end.

The lack of paranoia after mislynching ProFlavor is so blatantly obvious that it hurts


If you are so confident of us being scum, then why not put your vote on us? Because you want to get a townie to vote for us first so you and your partner can back-to-back vote for us so we can be your fourth and final mislynch?


- Volxen

No, I'm not voting 'cause we need to discuss who your partner is, and I don't want to give you the chance to vote yourself and go to a second LyLo in the dark about the last scum. Try again.

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Post Post #3286  (isolation #249)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:00 pm

Another point that shows you don't have a town thinking here: "let's lynch confscum pint and tomorrow we'll see what happens" when there's clearly no tomorrow

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Post Post #3288  (isolation #250)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:01 pm

In post 3283, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 3278, pinturicchio wrote:Why the fuck would I vote ProFlavor yesterday if I knew you would come after scum!me knowing that he was going to flip town?

"Coasting", and us having a stronger position on ProFlavor's wagon weakens us slightly if we 1v1 you after the mislynch.

??????? Even the scumslip I called out yesterday was less of a reach than this

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Post Post #3291  (isolation #251)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:03 pm

In post 3287, Michael Scott wrote:Umm, given our *One scum in Pint/ProFlavor* theory, a ProFlavor townflip would flip you and vice-versa.
Pint/ProFlavor was equivalent to Alch/Mew.

We are sure about the dichotomy. The Firebringer NK made me paranoid momentarily, but the Marine fire point Volxen brought up seals it anyway.

No dude, the dichotomy between Alch and Mew makes a lot more sense than the relationship you created between Pro and me, so it makes no sense you went for that first instead of Alch or Mew. You aligned lynches

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Post Post #3292  (isolation #252)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:05 pm

In post 3290, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 3286, pinturicchio wrote:Another point that shows you don't have a town thinking here: "let's lynch confscum pint and tomorrow we'll see what happens" when there's clearly no tomorrow

Nah, we're fully intent on solving between Alch and Mew today - it's hilarious to assume we think we can quicklynch you.

And you go and vote me to solve between Alch and Mew? So if I'm scum and I decide to vote myself to avoid conversation what do you do? Nope, you didn't think about that 'cause you know it's not happening and that game ends if I die

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Post Post #3293  (isolation #253)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:07 pm

Also, another point: you brought me instead of ProFlavor to LyLo 'cause you thought it would be easier. Guess what: I'm a God at LyLo. You're not going to get this win as easy as you thought

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Post Post #3297  (isolation #254)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:10 pm

In post 3294, Michael Scott wrote:No. Both dichotomies were equally valid; optimal play for us was to evaluate which pair had a more confident read. You can probably see us ask the rest about reads on you and/or ProFlavor - the rest of the slots seemed to agree that {Pint, ProFlavor} was more polarised (in terms of how townread you were as opposed to ProFlavor scumread), compared to AlchMew.

Therefore, it made more sense to lynch out of the high-confidence pair.

You OBVIOUSLY go for the less confident pair so you don't have to solve it in LyLo. Once again, you're justifying a suboptimal play for town

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Post Post #3303  (isolation #255)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:22 pm

In post 3298, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 3293, pinturicchio wrote:Guess what: I'm a God at LyLo. You're not going to get this win as easy as you thought

pinturicchio wrote:Why the fuck would I vote ProFlavor yesterday if I knew you would come after scum!me knowing that he was going to flip town?

If you're a "God of LyLo", why would you say this?

'cause I trusted the rest of the playerlist on ProFlavor and I thought today wouldn't be LyLo. Something that you clearly knew

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Post Post #3304  (isolation #256)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:23 pm

In post 3299, Michael Scott wrote:Oh we do have a plan for tomorrow Pint. Here is what it is:

We are 99.99% confident that the scumteam is Pint/Mewtaph/Jjh

I've been rereading through the whole game (up to page 105), and there are tons of interactions/associatives between Pint and Mewtaph that clearly look like SvS, including how they both have treated the Jjh slot (distancing etc.). Whereas Alchemist does not have these kinds of associatives with Pint or Jjh. Still in the process of rereading through the rest of the game and looking at associatives, but Mewtaph has much more partner equity with Pint than Alchemist does.

And Pint is now 100% confirmed scum from our POV due to him not being quickhammered (everyone except for conftown!Varsoon has been posting), so we are treating him as such and thus we can establish associatives without needing to see his flip first.

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Post Post #3306  (isolation #257)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:25 pm

In post 3302, Michael Scott wrote:Also, just because of Pintu's accusations that we weren't trying to solve between Alch and Mew:

@Krazy, can we paste our analyses from the Discord channel here?

You could've wrote whatever, but you didn't go for it yesterday, so it doesn't matter

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Post Post #3308  (isolation #258)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:26 pm

Alch you're agreeing with scum!me?

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Post Post #3310  (isolation #259)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:27 pm

Only scum deals in absolutes.

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Post Post #3312  (isolation #260)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:28 pm

In post 3309, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 3303, pinturicchio wrote:'cause I trusted the rest of the playerlist on ProFlavor and I thought today wouldn't be LyLo. Something that you clearly knew

Umm. No. You asked why scum!you would vote PF knowing that I'd come after you; if you're a God at LyLo you obviously wouldn't be scared of me; hence your point that "scum Pintu wouldn't vote PF" is moot.

Let me clarify: I'm a town God at LyLo. I think I have never been to LyLo as scum

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Post Post #3313  (isolation #261)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:29 pm

In post 3311, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 3306, pinturicchio wrote:You could've wrote whatever, but you didn't go for it yesterday, so it doesn't matter

Solving post-flip, i.e. knowing who was scum out of you and ProFlavor is better, since we know what associations to look for.

You can look at associations between flipped Alch/Mew too, that doesn't make sense.

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Post Post #3316  (isolation #262)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:32 pm

Even now you're saying you want to look at who my partner is but you keep going for me to convince the rest I'm scum instead of you and already 99,99% is Mewtaph so you're being inconsistent. If you are already sure it's Mew, then you don't need to discuss it and you're ready to end the day.

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Post Post #3318  (isolation #263)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:33 pm

Mewtaph is probably your partner and you're distancing in case I win the 1v1, since you wont push him today at all

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Post Post #3324  (isolation #264)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:40 pm

In post 3319, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 3318, pinturicchio wrote:Mewtaph is probably your partner and you're distancing in case I win the 1v1, since you wont push him today at all

Say, from your PoV, you were scum and us town. Would you expect us to push Mew today? Over you, confscum from our perspective?

??? That's what I'm saying, you don't have to push him 'cause you created this 1v1 all along and you'll "solve" it "tomorrow"

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Post Post #3326  (isolation #265)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:42 pm

In post 3322, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 3316, pinturicchio wrote:Even now you're saying you want to look at who my partner is but you keep going for me to convince the rest I'm scum instead of you and already 99,99% is Mewtaph so you're being inconsistent. If you are already sure it's Mew, then you don't need to discuss it and you're ready to end the day.


I said I'm 99.99% certain your partner is Mewtaph based on my reread of the first 105 pages of the game. I am going to reread through the remaining pages, but yes, you are correct in that I do have Mewtaph as your partner.

And once I become 100% convinced of who your partner is, I will gladly move my vote to them if need be.

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Post Post #3330  (isolation #266)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:47 pm

I don't understand what you don't understand here. You are 100% pushing me if you were town, yes, but I'm saying you are distancing from your partner 'cause that hypothetical is 0% possible from my point of view, so what's the point? Convincing ME that you're town? If you were town, changing your vote to Mewtaph would be stupid

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Post Post #3332  (isolation #267)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:58 pm

It's not stupid, it's a back up plan in case you lose to me in our 1v1

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Post Post #3333  (isolation #268)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:03 pm

Why the fuck would you vote Mew if I'm, from your perspective, "100% scum"?? This is ridiculous how obvious you're scum here, hopefully the rest of the playerlist will see it

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Post Post #3336  (isolation #269)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:15 pm

I still think that voting Mew would be stupid without solving us first now that you voted me and I wasn't quicklynched, so there is by a fact a scum between us two.

P-edit what would've done in what case, if I were scum in this game? Again, what's the point. If I'm town I'm 100% convinced you're scum trying to make me look bad, and if I were scum, I would say the same thing I'm saying right now to avoid answering. Firebringer was townreading me too, I was like his first townread even

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Post Post #3340  (isolation #270)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:22 pm

Ok that makes more sense.

P-edit what the fuck are you talking about, I never even implied that statement. Lol you're so eager to discredit my points with anything you can use

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Post Post #3341  (isolation #271)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:25 pm

You were talking about the nightkill, not about ProFlavor's lynch. If K were scum I would've pushed between Alch/Mew to not be 100% scum in anyone's eyes and win the 1v1 between him and me 'cause I had much more town equity than him. Why would I want to 1v1 you instead of him when you were leading the game since D3

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Post Post #3343  (isolation #272)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:34 pm

No, scum!me would be optimal to push that. You're not scum!me, you're scum!you. Scum!you pushes ProFlavor in order to align lynches and avoid a potential lynch on your partner. We are different players with different optimal strategies as scum, and you made your optimal play and I didn't, just like town!ProFlavor unvoted Mewtaph on D1 when he was at L-1 and that would've been suboptimal as scum, and he was indeed town

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Post Post #3346  (isolation #273)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:55 pm

If my partner would've got lynched, I still have my town equity. You dissolved my town equity by lynching ProFlavor first. If your partner died yesterday, you would've had to deal with Fire who was obvtown, me obvtown, Varsoon conftown, Alch/Mew conftown from the dichotomy you pushed for and ProFlavor. You would've pushed ProFlavor and get me to LyLo with whoever you were more comfortable to get me lynched. But that whole situation is far more risky than just lynching ProFlavor and pushing me. That's the difference between you and me: I know that as scum I would've risked it to avoid this 1v1 with you 'cause I know I'm looking worse than you right now. You don't have that situation 'cause you knew you were going to look better than me. So by that, you could play it safe and not risk your partner; I, instead, would've had to risk it to avoid this situation.

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Post Post #3347  (isolation #274)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:57 pm

It IS optimal for scum!you. Stop talking like that strategy is optimal or not for scum in general; it depends on who is the scum to know if it is optimal or not. You would have the high ground between us in a 1v1: that makes it optimal for you and suboptimal for me

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Post Post #3348  (isolation #275)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:59 pm

I want the rest of the playerlist to read MS/me/jjh interactions and tell me who makes more sense as his scum partner: the one who proposed jjh as scum since D1 and partially the one who started pushing him (without a vote tho), or the one who would benefit with his flip at the end because of counterclaiming and proving that a strongman exists to get even more towncred for his claim

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Post Post #3351  (isolation #276)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:01 pm

The strongman makes sense with one BP and AC's role who could kill the interceptors. Two BPs is implausible setup wise

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Post Post #3353  (isolation #277)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:14 pm

I can't believe I read that whole post when I know you're scum, what a sad man I am. I don't have time nor a computer to post every single thing you've posted and turn them into scum posting like you did, so I hope people will read my case on you that has been going since D1. Me being wrong on two wagons doesn't make me scum and doesn't mean I wasn't scum hunting: I started the case on Taly and Creature was mislynched on D2 because of it, so yeah, me having bad reads doesn't make me scum. All my townreads died during the night, so they weren't that bad after all.

I'll stop posting to let Varsoon catch up as easily as possible. Alch and Mew should say something too

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Post Post #3355  (isolation #278)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:09 pm

And at some points seems like they planning some kind of framing, like when Auro says:
Pocket ProFlavor, make shitty pushes and keep retracting them, try to look townie in general
There's no real scumhunting in his ISO
But that's an accusation we can make of other slots too, lol

It's like making a case on me with anticipation

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Post Post #3357  (isolation #279)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:28 pm

Maybe anticipation is not the word I was looking for? What I meant is that they had two days to make that whole conversation to prepare themselves for today.

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Post Post #3358  (isolation #280)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:35 pm

Oh and also, about Mew's positioning with respect to Almost Chara killing them: AC's role meant that they could destroy the interceptors that the air unit would use to kill, meaning they would act like a BP for players close to them, not that they would kill the scum air unit if they passed them. That's why MS being bulletproof after AC and Firebringer's flips doesn't make sense setup-wise.

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Post Post #3361  (isolation #281)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:55 pm

'Cause it says automatically kill TWO interceptors, that means it blocks an attack with interceptors from the air unit like the one that happened last night, like a BP. How could "automatically kill two interceptors" if it is the scum air unit flying over AC? So no, I'm not "just" using this to say you're scum, you're scum because I have good reading comprehension

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Post Post #3364  (isolation #282)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:47 pm

I wasn't playing the game at that moment due to surgery. A first vote on D1? Really? That's your defense?

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Post Post #3365  (isolation #283)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:51 pm

In post 3362, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 3346, pinturicchio wrote:If my partner would've got lynched, I still have my town equity. You dissolved my town equity by lynching ProFlavor first. If your partner died yesterday, you would've had to deal with Fire who was obvtown, me obvtown, Varsoon conftown, Alch/Mew conftown from the dichotomy you pushed for and ProFlavor. You would've pushed ProFlavor and get me to LyLo with whoever you were more comfortable to get me lynched. But that whole situation is far more risky than just lynching ProFlavor and pushing me. That's the difference between you and me: I know that as scum I would've risked it to avoid this 1v1 with you 'cause I know I'm looking worse than you right now. You don't have that situation 'cause you knew you were going to look better than me. So by that, you could play it safe and not risk your partner; I, instead, would've had to risk it to avoid this situation.

1. If I was pushing in Alch/Mew as a plan why wouldn't I push my non-partner first?
2. Getting the right lynch means we simply NK the other... So we have to "line up" lynches within you and ProFlavor, same situation... Except we'd have even more town equity from having lynched our partner.

So your grand scumcase is that I had to "line up lynches" exactly in a way such that I'd take you to LyLo with the right player so I can get a mislynch... And you also acknowledge you look worse than us right now, which wouldn't get better if we pushed another scumflip yesterday. Flimsy case

You still haven't convinced anyone that our rationale for lynching in your pair due to higher confidence is bad.

"Flimsy case", "you haven't convinced anyone" good talk Mikey.

It's pretty easy to understand, yet you keep going on and on repeating yourself to make my case look bad. It's okay, I get it's the only way so no hard feelings.

As I said, I'm not going to keep posting to let Varsoon and the rest to come here.

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Post Post #3401  (isolation #284)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:47 am

Oh look, no quickhammer on MS, that means confscum right?

@MS you're discussing that dragging a game to a 2v1 LyLo is not riskier than going for the 3v2 LyLo? C'mon dude, my case is pretty easy to understand, give me a break. I know you have to discredit me in every single possible way, but have some respect and do it wisely, like you did with the whole discord post.

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Post Post #3406  (isolation #285)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:09 pm

In post 3403, Varsoon wrote:Kinda hope you're town and we losegame because you're being a dingus
That's spiteful of me but seriously
Don't be a dingus

The confscum was a joke, dear. Is that why I'm being a dingus? Because yes, it is spiteful after all the effort I've put to make myself clear and not be responsable of town losing this game. I was worried D1 because of being abstent because of my operation would make me a liability so I tryharded as much as I could. And I'm happy, I don't feel I played poorly, and MS framing me is a solid scum play, so if we lose I wont be mad. But calling me a dingus? Uncalled for.

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Post Post #3410  (isolation #286)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:35 pm

I agree with that, so I'm not calling you out for voting me. As I said, I k ow I'm looking worse than him, it was a splendid scum game from him

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Post Post #3413  (isolation #287)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:46 pm

You talking to me? I'm considering MS/Alch 'cause you could've quicklynched me with Varsoon's vote, so at this point I'm waiting to see who of you three come together into the thread

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Post Post #3416  (isolation #288)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:34 pm

Solved then. It's Alch/MS. Good job, Mew

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Post Post #3417  (isolation #289)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:34 pm

VOTE: Michael Scott

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Post Post #3418  (isolation #290)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:41 pm

UNVOTE: Michael Scott
Only for the slight chance that it's Mew/Alch and Mew is waiting Alch to change his vote to mine. We wait for Alch now

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Post Post #3420  (isolation #291)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:45 pm

Do you even read?

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Post Post #3423  (isolation #292)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:54 pm

You voted me and unvoted six minutes later, with no posts between that.

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Post Post #3424  (isolation #293)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:55 pm

You are, once again, trying to make me look bad with everything I say. You played well, you don't need to do that.

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Post Post #3427  (isolation #294)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:03 pm

Ah fuck you're right, sorry, didn't remember that, I'll check if they were both posting between that

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Post Post #3428  (isolation #295)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:03 pm

In post 3426, Varsoon wrote:Kinda wish ya'll would stop grandstanding and town can just sheep me and we can be done with the day
aight?

Sure, I'll vote myself and lose

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Post Post #3434  (isolation #296)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:15 pm

In post 3431, Varsoon wrote:
In post 3428, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 3426, Varsoon wrote:Kinda wish ya'll would stop grandstanding and town can just sheep me and we can be done with the day
aight?

Sure, I'll vote myself and lose


This is a true statement regardless of your alignment.

Besides.
The fact that I am voting you has sealed your loss no matter what.

You should've pocketed me better.

You're losing with me, sweetheart

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Post Post #3435  (isolation #297)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:22 pm

If I'm losing, I'll at least will do it with a vote on who I think won this game fair and square.

VOTE: Michael Scott

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Post Post #3471  (isolation #298)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:06 pm

In post 3469, Michael Scott wrote:@Pint, Man did you purposefully LITTER your ISO with bad associatives with Mewtaph? Because you had so many mutual associatives with Mewtaph that suggested that you guys were partners that it's unreal.

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I did, I talked about it in the mafia PT. I followed ProFlavor's Mew read in order to get associations with both of them

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Post Post #3474  (isolation #299)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:09 pm

@Vars, I wasn't a dingus ever I think? Also blaming Mew for his vote with obvscum me it's like giving me less credit that I think I deserve. You never pushed me even if you now said you think I slipped three times (when?).

By the way, I'll say it again: we didn't drag you to LyLo because of you playing bad; we did it 'cause at the begining we thought you could be a PGO, and then we always had someone better to kill, so I'm sorry if we made you feel bad for leaving you alive. I would've shot you N1 if it wasn't for the PGO thing

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Post Post #3478  (isolation #300)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:11 pm

Mike: your case this last day was amazingly good; good job at towning it up from D3 onwards. Your only problem was calling Mewtaph scum, but that's not your fault.

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Post Post #3479  (isolation #301)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:12 pm

In post 3475, the worst wrote:Gg all. Well played scum.

:)

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Post Post #3482  (isolation #302)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:15 pm

In post 2927, Varsoon wrote:Okay well it might not be pint but I get this feeling when he posts like
I dont know

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Post Post #3483  (isolation #303)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:16 pm

Literally the next post to the one you quoted :lol:

You never called me out for slips in the game

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Post Post #3487  (isolation #304)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:22 pm

I don't get where are you coming from, Varsoon. You said you would lynch MS and T&L in that same post too. I understand you could be frustrated because the game's over, but I played pretty well, Alch did too, and you trying to prove that you were scumreading me doesn't make my play less good.

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Post Post #3488  (isolation #305)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:23 pm

And again, you said I slipped three times: you never called me out for it, not even once.

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Post Post #3489  (isolation #306)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:25 pm

In post 3485, the worst wrote:pint I think we need a divorce, you roll scum against me too much and you're good at it

I really hated lynching you, I subscribed to this game 'cause you were in it and seems like everytime we get in a game together either one of us replaces out or we don't have enough time alive

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Post Post #3492  (isolation #307)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:30 pm

In post 3490, the worst wrote:Ok I'm prepared to give our love a second chance. Promise we can be town together next time?

Promise <3 and if I roll scum I'll pretend I'm town so we can still play together

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Post Post #3497  (isolation #308)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:35 pm

:lol: :lol: I'm not asking to be praised at all, I'm actually talking to you because I don't want you to be mad at something that is not worth it, but imt not losing my time of you're going to act like a child. Sorry Vars, gg

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Post Post #3503  (isolation #309)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:37 pm

@Volxen OMG I was always thinking "why this guy's name pings me if I have never played with him as far as I know", I totally forgot it was you I replaced in! Dude you improved A LOT since that game

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Post Post #3506  (isolation #310)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:40 pm

In post 3502, Varsoon wrote:Man, I literally pointed out where I suspected you and for what post and when you respond to that with "lol but where did you call out my slips", that shit is legitimately frustrating.

Sorry, maybe we are miscomunicating here? I thought that you meant that I scumslipped when you said slips, like something I shouldn't know as scum or something like that. I'm not saying you never suspected me; I remember you doing it a few times

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Post Post #3517  (isolation #311)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:44 pm

In post 3500, Varsoon wrote:URAP2 is absolutely correct; we all failed to correctly identify and properly push the amazing scum players, real sheep in wolf's clothing, just the absolute undeniable paragons of the game and anyone who thinks differently is a bitter, sad, pathetic, sore loser of a person who couldn't possibly have a ledge to stand on and it's incredibly unbecoming that anyone would try to argue otherwise after a game has occured in which scum has won by such sheer magnitudes of deception and positioning that would make even Go grand master Kim Seong-ryong blush and declare this must be the machinations of yet another advanced thinking platform.

The Kim Seong-ryong part got me :lol:

Vars, again, the only thing I'm saying is that I'm happy with how I played and because it's my first scum win, and I was asking you nicely to not take that from me :) nothing more than that, I'm not saying I'm the new greatest player of this site and that everyone should bow to me 'cause you're all peasants. I understand you're upstet, I don't want you to be upset.

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Post Post #3524  (isolation #312)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:49 pm

In post 3519, Varsoon wrote:
In post 3513, RadiantCowbells wrote:i only read 2 pages and my gamesolve was correct


Too bad you didn't play this one then, huh?

@Pint: Ah, nah, it's all good, we were just misunderstanding each other. Ya'll did do good with your kills and positioning, I'm just frustrated with how it played out given that I finally did actually have some things right.

That's why I apologized for taking you to LyLo: we didn't want to make you feel it was because you were playing bad, it was a mechanical thing. The only thing you did wrong was the STW fiasco, and that wasn't that bad to drag you to LyLo. You didn't play as bad as you thought while we were playing.

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Post Post #3530  (isolation #313)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:01 pm

Volxen, your setup spec was scaringly accurate

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Post Post #3543  (isolation #314)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:32 pm

In post 3541, RadiantCowbells wrote:no his slip thing was complete fucking bullshit and if he was too dense to see it as town he deserved to die for it tbh

And how did you realize it was Alch the remaining scum?

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Post Post #3545  (isolation #315)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:35 pm

But you said you read only three pages :P

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Post Post #3551  (isolation #316)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:12 pm

In post 3549, RadiantCowbells wrote:3211 was literal 100% scumread

until then i hadn't rly decided

Yeah maybe you're right. Maybe looking a game from the outside is easier too

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Post Post #3552  (isolation #317)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:13 pm

In post 3550, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Guys, next time, if I locktown someone, don’t freaking mislynch them. :facepalm:


And sorry Mew, I really thought from your ovveration to me, you were scum.

You had pretty good reads Nancy, good job. Killing you was partly because of them and to make WIFOM for scum!Mew

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Post Post #3570  (isolation #318)  » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:05 pm

How about a Age of Empires II mafia game? I fucking love that game

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Post Post #3572  (isolation #319)  » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:45 pm

No wololo admitted then

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Post Post #3574  (isolation #320)  » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:35 pm

I was thinking that a Wonder could be a Survivor. Hmmm if I ever mod a game I think it would be AoE 2, definitely

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